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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:24 pm

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Interesting, because once the baby has been born, the GOP doesn't seem to give a damn about it. Also, another question for you: why do you think the highest teenage pregnancies are in red states?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosm ... births.htm


No, you got that backwards. It was Obama, a Democrat, who insists the baby die from the botched abortion after it has been born by wanting to criminalize a doctor from providing it medical care. Republicans are for helping the baby after it's been born by letting the doctor save it's life without facing criminal charges. In the example you quoted, the Democrat doesn't care about the born baby, not a Republican.

As for your other point, I think if you understood the chart you linked the reason might be easier to understand why that might be the case. The chart looks at teen births, not teen pregnancies. Red states are more pro life so a pregnant teen in a red state might be more likely to not abort their baby which would translate into a higher birth rate.


So more delusions from the right wing folks....


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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 9:54 pm

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There is a movement in rural Oregon about "we will not comply" which is pro-gun legislation. These are the usual right wingers who want all guns, all the time with few restrictions. These are survivalists, anti minorities, people who want the white, English speaking Christian god everywhere, who love the Confederacy. These people are aggressive. They leave their home triggered. They HAVE to open carry. Patriotism is a competition. These are the people I live around and these are the people who will take up arms when their dear leader loses. Not just here in Oregon, but across the country.


This is all true. In Wisconsin, Trump's most-fervent supporters have guns... dozens of them per person in some cases. I have spoken with them on several occasions and they truly believe that Trump was sent by God to make sure that America doesn't change. These super fans consider themselves modern-day patriots and truly believe it is their responsibility to guarantee that America does not change. They truly believe the Democratic Party and their supporters are the ENEMY... just as ISIS is an enemy. They believe that all Democrats are traitorous Socialists. They believe that if a Democratic president is elected, the USA will collapse unless they intervene, possibly with the use of firearms. They call it "the impending second civil war." Some call it "the second American revolution."

They believe everything that Trump says. For example, Trump said on April 28, 2019, "The baby is born, the mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby." As a result, they now believe that medical professionals are murderous adversaries who kill newborn babies and falsely document the act as an abortions. My brother is a Trumpster and we had a conversation about it. I'm a registered nurse and I tried to tell him that we DO NOT kill newborns. His reply was, "Bob....They're killing babies!" and hung up on me.

They also believe that everything that Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and what other on-air conservative opinion commentators say as factual. The Trumpsters have TOTALLY lost the ability to determine what's real news and what's not. They consider ALL news to be fake, as Trump declares, except that presented by conservative sources. Trumpsters are BRAINWASHED. If a Democrat wins the White House in 2020, it will be a long process to deprogram these people... that's if they don't take up arms against the government, Democratic politicians, and even Democratic-supporting citizens.


I could not have expressed this any better. In my case, substitute Tennessee for Oregon.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Tue Oct 08, 2019 8:09 pm

Hillary is working on getting further into the mind of Trump. This should set off some mad tweets from Trump.

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/stat ... 0983732224


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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Oct 10, 2019 4:26 am

Supposing that Trump does not win 2020, there is potential for a bar fight here and there. Outside of that, this whole thread is a ridiculous attempt to reinforce the "enlightened liberal" need to caricaturize the other side as uneducated mouth-breathing racists.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 10:48 am

Beardown91737 wrote:
Supposing that Trump does not win 2020, there is potential for a bar fight here and there. Outside of that, this whole thread is a ridiculous attempt to reinforce the "enlightened liberal" need to caricaturize the other side as uneducated mouth-breathing racists.



But also: “I will be buying an AR-15 tomorrow, because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020,” Rob Drake tweeted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... bM8_a9HMrQ
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:52 pm

Beardown91737 wrote:
Supposing that Trump does not win 2020, there is potential for a bar fight here and there. Outside of that, this whole thread is a ridiculous attempt to reinforce the "enlightened liberal" need to caricaturize the other side as uneducated mouth-breathing racists.


There are a number of "Christain" leaders calling for violence and killing "liberals" and Democrats if he is impeached and removed from office. Even dear leader himself is saying people were turn violent

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united- ... olt-if-hes

This is a legitimate topic and not "ridiculous" at all.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 4:56 pm

What I want to know is if Trump will call his Podiatrist if there is a Civil war? :stirthepot:
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 7:07 pm

The silent coup will have consequences. Not sure what they will be.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 8:13 pm

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The silent coup will have consequences. Not sure what they will be.

What coup? Maybe Russia has a different definition?
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Oct 24, 2019 9:06 pm

What does the ump mean by "this way"?

As to consequences, yes, I am sure there will be. One of which will likely be a reduction in any future president trying to trade internal-political favors for aid/assistance/money.

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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:48 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
Beardown91737 wrote:
Supposing that Trump does not win 2020, there is potential for a bar fight here and there. Outside of that, this whole thread is a ridiculous attempt to reinforce the "enlightened liberal" need to caricaturize the other side as uneducated mouth-breathing racists.



But also: “I will be buying an AR-15 tomorrow, because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020,” Rob Drake tweeted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... bM8_a9HMrQ


So he wants an AR-15 to defend himself in case all hell breaks loose and a civil war actually comes to fruition. Makes sense.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:32 am

Beardown91737 wrote:
Supposing that Trump does not win 2020, there is potential for a bar fight here and there. Outside of that, this whole thread is a ridiculous attempt to reinforce the "enlightened liberal" need to caricaturize the other side as uneducated mouth-breathing racists.


It's not a caricature if it's accurate.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:30 am

N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Beardown91737 wrote:
Supposing that Trump does not win 2020, there is potential for a bar fight here and there. Outside of that, this whole thread is a ridiculous attempt to reinforce the "enlightened liberal" need to caricaturize the other side as uneducated mouth-breathing racists.



But also: “I will be buying an AR-15 tomorrow, because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020,” Rob Drake tweeted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... bM8_a9HMrQ


So he wants an AR-15 to defend himself in case all hell breaks loose and a civil war actually comes to fruition. Makes sense.


"If my guy loses, I am turning violent" is not how we are supposed to do things in the United States. Unfortunately, many MAGA fans are saying this and want this. Hell, some of them want a third term for him!
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:25 am

N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Beardown91737 wrote:
Supposing that Trump does not win 2020, there is potential for a bar fight here and there. Outside of that, this whole thread is a ridiculous attempt to reinforce the "enlightened liberal" need to caricaturize the other side as uneducated mouth-breathing racists.



But also: “I will be buying an AR-15 tomorrow, because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020,” Rob Drake tweeted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... bM8_a9HMrQ


So he wants an AR-15 to defend himself in case all hell breaks loose and a civil war actually comes to fruition. Makes sense.

The same trump supporters who promise violence and run ALL the militias, who shoot up mosques/synagogues/Walmarts need protection from...what exactly?
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:42 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:


But also: “I will be buying an AR-15 tomorrow, because if you impeach MY PRESIDENT this way, YOU WILL HAVE ANOTHER CIVAL WAR!!! #MAGA2020,” Rob Drake tweeted.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... bM8_a9HMrQ


So he wants an AR-15 to defend himself in case all hell breaks loose and a civil war actually comes to fruition. Makes sense.

The same trump supporters who promise violence and run ALL the militias, who shoot up mosques/synagogues/Walmarts need protection from...what exactly?


The violent Antifa terriorsts and their liberal supporters. You could have guessed this.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:27 am

seahawk wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
N583JB wrote:

So he wants an AR-15 to defend himself in case all hell breaks loose and a civil war actually comes to fruition. Makes sense.

The same trump supporters who promise violence and run ALL the militias, who shoot up mosques/synagogues/Walmarts need protection from...what exactly?


The violent Antifa terriorsts and their liberal supporters. You could have guessed this.

Yes yes yes of course. The people that have killed *checks notes* ...zero people.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:11 am

Tugger wrote:
As to consequences, yes, I am sure there will be. One of which will likely be a reduction in any future president trying to trade internal-political favors for aid/assistance/money.


Not saying it is right, but every US president has done it for the last 80 years.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:14 am

seb146 wrote:
"If my guy loses, I am turning violent" is not how we are supposed to do things in the United States. Unfortunately, many MAGA fans are saying this and want this. Hell, some of them want a third term for him!


Which is exactly what Antifa has done. This forum is ripe with threads crying about Trump this, and Trump that.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 8:41 am

extender wrote:
Tugger wrote:
As to consequences, yes, I am sure there will be. One of which will likely be a reduction in any future president trying to trade internal-political favors for aid/assistance/money.


Not saying it is right, but every US president has done it for the last 80 years.



Care to list those that have occurred over the last 80 years?

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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 11:40 am

extender wrote:
seb146 wrote:
"If my guy loses, I am turning violent" is not how we are supposed to do things in the United States. Unfortunately, many MAGA fans are saying this and want this. Hell, some of them want a third term for him!


Which is exactly what Antifa has done. This forum is ripe with threads crying about Trump this, and Trump that.
Get over it and suck it up until 2024.

Yah no. Only one side is murdering people. How many people have Antifa killed?
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:00 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
extender wrote:
seb146 wrote:
"If my guy loses, I am turning violent" is not how we are supposed to do things in the United States. Unfortunately, many MAGA fans are saying this and want this. Hell, some of them want a third term for him!


Which is exactly what Antifa has done. This forum is ripe with threads crying about Trump this, and Trump that.
Get over it and suck it up until 2024.

Yah no. Only one side is murdering people. How many people have Antifa killed?


Connor Betts (at the very least, antifa sympathizer)

Micah Xavier Johnson (Not antifa, certainly liberal)

Extremism in society whether it is left or right can result in repulsive actions. Neither the left or the right is completely innocent.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:15 pm

N757ST wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
extender wrote:

Which is exactly what Antifa has done. This forum is ripe with threads crying about Trump this, and Trump that.
Get over it and suck it up until 2024.

Yah no. Only one side is murdering people. How many people have Antifa killed?


Connor Betts (at the very least, antifa sympathizer)

Micah Xavier Johnson (Not antifa, certainly liberal)

Extremism in society whether it is left or right can result in repulsive actions. Neither the left or the right is completely innocent.

Neither was antifa, and neither was espousing any political beliefs via their actions, so it's completely disingenuous, unless you want to claim Stephen Paddock inflicted right wing violence because he happened to be a right winger.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:17 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
seahawk wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
The same trump supporters who promise violence and run ALL the militias, who shoot up mosques/synagogues/Walmarts need protection from...what exactly?


The violent Antifa terriorsts and their liberal supporters. You could have guessed this.

Yes yes yes of course. The people that have killed *checks notes* ...zero people.


The guy in Ohio who publicly professed his love for Antifa killed 9 people. The Bernie Bro who shot up a baseball game came very close to killing people. The Antifa "firearms instructor" who was killed while trying to rush into a high school with a gun likely didn't have peaceful intentions.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:19 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
N757ST wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Yah no. Only one side is murdering people. How many people have Antifa killed?


Connor Betts (at the very least, antifa sympathizer)

Micah Xavier Johnson (Not antifa, certainly liberal)

Extremism in society whether it is left or right can result in repulsive actions. Neither the left or the right is completely innocent.

Neither was antifa, and neither was espousing any political beliefs via their actions, so it's completely disingenuous, unless you want to claim Stephen Paddock inflicted right wing violence because he happened to be a right winger.


Micah Johnson's attack was entirely politically motivated. He hated cops and was a BLM supporter.

Paddock wasn't on twitter pushing right-wing causes like Betts was on twitter supporting Antifa.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:26 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
N757ST wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Yah no. Only one side is murdering people. How many people have Antifa killed?


Connor Betts (at the very least, antifa sympathizer)

Micah Xavier Johnson (Not antifa, certainly liberal)

Extremism in society whether it is left or right can result in repulsive actions. Neither the left or the right is completely innocent.

Neither was antifa, and neither was espousing any political beliefs via their actions, so it's completely disingenuous, unless you want to claim Stephen Paddock inflicted right wing violence because he happened to be a right winger.


Really? Targeting cops wasn’t political? Why can’t you just admit that extremists on both sides do very bad things? I lean right on many issues but I find white supremacy and neo nazis abhorrent. I also don’t think more then even a tiny percentage of liberals want to dress in black and beat up people that espouse views they oppose. This whole mantra of “only your side does it” espoused by both sides screams of hubris.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:31 pm

N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
N757ST wrote:

Connor Betts (at the very least, antifa sympathizer)

Micah Xavier Johnson (Not antifa, certainly liberal)

Extremism in society whether it is left or right can result in repulsive actions. Neither the left or the right is completely innocent.

Neither was antifa, and neither was espousing any political beliefs via their actions, so it's completely disingenuous, unless you want to claim Stephen Paddock inflicted right wing violence because he happened to be a right winger.


Micah Johnson's attack was entirely politically motivated. He hated cops and was a BLM supporter.

Paddock wasn't on twitter pushing right-wing causes like Betts was on twitter supporting Antifa.

Uh huh, and how did shooting up a bar support any "leftist" political motive? Where in the left ecosystem do you see anyone inveighing against bar patrons? Or that you should kill your own sibling? No racial or political motive was found, unlike multiple synagogue/mosque/walmart shootings where the shooter flat out has a manifesto repeating right wing orthodoxy if not Trump outright.

It's completely different from the right raging against Muslims, immigrants, you name it, and its hench men shooting up a synagogue (because he thought they were helping immigrants--in lock step with republican comments), or Mosques, or a Walmart, again in lock step with the President's attacks on Latinos and Mexicans in particular.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:39 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Neither was antifa, and neither was espousing any political beliefs via their actions, so it's completely disingenuous, unless you want to claim Stephen Paddock inflicted right wing violence because he happened to be a right winger.


Micah Johnson's attack was entirely politically motivated. He hated cops and was a BLM supporter.

Paddock wasn't on twitter pushing right-wing causes like Betts was on twitter supporting Antifa.

Uh huh, and how did shooting up a bar support any "leftist" political motive? Where in the left ecosystem do you see anyone inveighing against bar patrons? Or that you should kill your own sibling? No racial or political motive was found, unlike multiple synagogue/mosque/walmart shootings where the shooter flat out has a manifesto repeating right wing orthodoxy if not Trump outright.

It's completely different from the right raging against Muslims, immigrants, you name it, and its hench men shooting up a synagogue (because he thought they were helping immigrants--in lock step with republican comments), or Mosques, or a Walmart, again in lock step with the President's attacks on Latinos and Mexicans in particular.


Gotcha, liberals are free and clear and fighting the good fight. Those Dallas police officers probably just deserved it.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 12:40 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Neither was antifa, and neither was espousing any political beliefs via their actions, so it's completely disingenuous, unless you want to claim Stephen Paddock inflicted right wing violence because he happened to be a right winger.


Micah Johnson's attack was entirely politically motivated. He hated cops and was a BLM supporter.

Paddock wasn't on twitter pushing right-wing causes like Betts was on twitter supporting Antifa.

Uh huh, and how did shooting up a bar support any "leftist" political motive? Where in the left ecosystem do you see anyone inveighing against bar patrons? Or that you should kill your own sibling? No racial or political motive was found, unlike multiple synagogue/mosque/walmart shootings where the shooter flat out has a manifesto repeating right wing orthodoxy if not Trump outright.

It's completely different from the right raging against Muslims, immigrants, you name it, and its hench men shooting up a synagogue (because he thought they were helping immigrants--in lock step with republican comments), or Mosques, or a Walmart, again in lock step with the President's attacks on Latinos and Mexicans in particular.


If the shoe was on the other foot, and that kid in Ohio has posted "MAGA" right before killing 9 people, you'd be calling him a right-wing terrorist.

Convenient of you to skip over Micah Johnson.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:18 pm

N757ST wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
N583JB wrote:

Micah Johnson's attack was entirely politically motivated. He hated cops and was a BLM supporter.

Paddock wasn't on twitter pushing right-wing causes like Betts was on twitter supporting Antifa.

Uh huh, and how did shooting up a bar support any "leftist" political motive? Where in the left ecosystem do you see anyone inveighing against bar patrons? Or that you should kill your own sibling? No racial or political motive was found, unlike multiple synagogue/mosque/walmart shootings where the shooter flat out has a manifesto repeating right wing orthodoxy if not Trump outright.

It's completely different from the right raging against Muslims, immigrants, you name it, and its hench men shooting up a synagogue (because he thought they were helping immigrants--in lock step with republican comments), or Mosques, or a Walmart, again in lock step with the President's attacks on Latinos and Mexicans in particular.


Gotcha, liberals are free and clear and fighting the good fight. Those Dallas police officers probably just deserved it.

Maybe they were "human scum"? "Drug dealers/rapists/animals"? The list of dehumanizing comments by Trump and this administration toward anyone not straight white male is a mile long. And unsurprisingly, supporters are more than happy to act on it.

N583JB wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
N583JB wrote:

Micah Johnson's attack was entirely politically motivated. He hated cops and was a BLM supporter.

Paddock wasn't on twitter pushing right-wing causes like Betts was on twitter supporting Antifa.

Uh huh, and how did shooting up a bar support any "leftist" political motive? Where in the left ecosystem do you see anyone inveighing against bar patrons? Or that you should kill your own sibling? No racial or political motive was found, unlike multiple synagogue/mosque/walmart shootings where the shooter flat out has a manifesto repeating right wing orthodoxy if not Trump outright.

It's completely different from the right raging against Muslims, immigrants, you name it, and its hench men shooting up a synagogue (because he thought they were helping immigrants--in lock step with republican comments), or Mosques, or a Walmart, again in lock step with the President's attacks on Latinos and Mexicans in particular.


If the shoe was on the other foot, and that kid in Ohio has posted "MAGA" right before killing 9 people, you'd be calling him a right-wing terrorist.

Convenient of you to skip over Micah Johnson.

Trump cackled with glee at one of his white trash brown shirt rallies where someone recommended shooting immigrants at the border, and sure enough, Trump supporters have taken it to heart. Shooting people at the border isn't even that far out of the mainstream for the GOP.

Name ONE time any politician, left right or center, spoke in positive terms of outright violence against the police.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:24 pm

"Name ONE time any politician, left right or center, spoke in positive terms of outright violence against the police."

I'm guessing you never heard of BLM? Also, two of your candidates for president (Warren & Harris) publicly called a police officer a murderer years after he was exonerated by Obama's DOJ simply because the officer wouldn't let a dangerous criminal murder him. Keep moving those goalposts, though. Radical leftists have killed people. So have radical right-wing terrorists. Not sure why that is so hard to admit.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:32 pm

N757ST wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
extender wrote:

Which is exactly what Antifa has done. This forum is ripe with threads crying about Trump this, and Trump that.
Get over it and suck it up until 2024.

Yah no. Only one side is murdering people. How many people have Antifa killed?


Connor Betts (at the very least, antifa sympathizer)

Micah Xavier Johnson (Not antifa, certainly liberal)

Extremism in society whether it is left or right can result in repulsive actions. Neither the left or the right is completely innocent.


Protesting against fascism and throwing one milkshake one time toward one guy is not the same thing as leaders standing up and saying MAGA fans will be violent when he loses. Not even close to the same thing. This does not even register on the right wing "both sides do it" excuse meter. IF you all wanted to do a "both sides do it" we would have seen mass killings and deadly riots after the November 2016 elections. We did not. Right wing extremist leaders are calling for violence when he loses in 2020. That difference is so massive, you can see it from space. Not even the same thing, so stop it.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:38 pm

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"Name ONE time any politician, left right or center, spoke in positive terms of outright violence against the police."

I'm guessing you never heard of BLM? Also, two of your candidates for president (Warren & Harris) publicly called a police officer a murderer years after he was exonerated by Obama's DOJ simply because the officer wouldn't let a dangerous criminal murder him. Keep moving those goalposts, though. Radical leftists have killed people. So have radical right-wing terrorists. Not sure why that is so hard to admit.


I love how MAGA fans move the goal posts and change the subject and blame everyone else for moving the goal posts and changing the subject. MAGA fans stockpile ammunition and weapons. White supremacists are violent and stockpile weapons and ammunition AND are MAGA fans. They are being told by their leaders to kill. White supremacist MAGA fans try to start race wars because they understand their dear orange leader says so.

Stop deflecting and defend the right wing calls to violence WHEN Democrats win in November. Defend the violent calls and the actual violence being done by MAGA fans.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 5:48 pm

seb146 wrote:
N757ST wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Yah no. Only one side is murdering people. How many people have Antifa killed?


Connor Betts (at the very least, antifa sympathizer)

Micah Xavier Johnson (Not antifa, certainly liberal)

Extremism in society whether it is left or right can result in repulsive actions. Neither the left or the right is completely innocent.


Protesting against fascism and throwing one milkshake one time toward one guy is not the same thing as leaders standing up and saying MAGA fans will be violent when he loses. Not even close to the same thing. This does not even register on the right wing "both sides do it" excuse meter. IF you all wanted to do a "both sides do it" we would have seen mass killings and deadly riots after the November 2016 elections. We did not. Right wing extremist leaders are calling for violence when he loses in 2020. That difference is so massive, you can see it from space. Not even the same thing, so stop it.


Neither one of the individuals listed became infamous for "throwing a milkshake". Betts was an Antifa sympathizer who went on a mass shooting and killed 9 random people. Johnson was a militant leftist and BLM-supporter who murdered 5 police officers who were, ironically, protecting a BLM march.
 
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Fri Oct 25, 2019 6:35 pm

Every day that goes on, the more I am seeing what I grew up with. I grew up in the 1980s under Reagan. The compassionate conservative Christian who allowed millions to die from HIV/AIDS because they are only gay so who cares? I was told by close friends and even some family that it didn't matter because they were not chose by God. Some of us were beaten or even killed because "he looked at me wrong" and that we would all be a land of pedophiles and animal sex having people and the heterosexual Christians would be outlawed and murdered if queers got special rights. We started moving forward with EQUAL rights for a few years, but we are back to the right wing violence and threats from the compassionate conservative Christian movement back in the 1980s.

I find it interesting that compassionate conservative Christians go right to violence and lies to hold onto power. What is sadder is how many actually believe the violence and lies and go along with it, instead of using logic and reason to understand that ALL Americans deserve equal rights and an equal voice, not just compassionate conservative Christians and MAGA fans.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 7:34 pm

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Violence, do you people mean like how the guy in a red MAGA hat was assaulted the other day? The only ones that have been committing political violence aren’t on the right... it’s people that can’t comprehend why their chosen one lost the election and are unable to deal with it. You can come on here and try to pawn the hatred and vitriol off on those that support Trump but we have been dealing with the lunacy of the leftist extremists in this country since before Trump was elected. Anyone remember the violent encounters with protesters during Trumps election campaign stops? Ever wonder why those that supported Trump never committed violence at Hillarie's rallies?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ma ... n-n1061426

It's clear who the violent ones are.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 25, 2019 9:44 pm

Airstud wrote:
EstherLouise wrote:
If Trump loses, will his entrenched supporters, who are major believers in conspiracy theories, become violent?


The left became violent when he won.


Yes, but the Right is 500-1000x more violent than the Left, They had been Attacking Muslims, Liberals, Leftists, Blacks, Jews, Women wearing Yoga Pants, Men wearing Cargo Shorts, Feminists and etc.
 
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Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:15 am

"I know black people are scary for republicans. You realize as an organization they've never called for violence, right?"

Is that why Ferguson, Baltimore, and Charlotte burned and why multiple police officers have been murdered by self-proclaimed BLM supporters? Seems like actions speak louder than words.
 
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Sat Oct 26, 2019 3:54 am

When things get too real, the left goes to the ballot box, the right goes for guns. This is exactly what I have seen time and again. Matthew Shepherd is a great example. Another is my own personal life, "Liberals" talk to me about being gay. Compassionate conservative open-minded Christian MAGA fans shout obscenities and threats and tell me how terrible I am.
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Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:53 am

It'll be a Landslide. No worries.

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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:29 am

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When things get too real, the left goes to the ballot box, the right goes for guns.


I call BS. Obama won twice. Where was the violence? Where was the insurrection? Nowhere.

I don't care what your sexuality is, that is your choice. But don't go running around like if you're going to get dragged behind a car at any moment.
 
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Sat Oct 26, 2019 12:49 pm

seb146 wrote:
When things get too real, the left goes to the ballot box, the right goes for guns.


Sorry, but that's not really true.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Cong ... l_shooting
 
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Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:49 pm

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Steve Scalise says what?

Last time Trump won, the left (1) engaged the intelligence community to try to overthrow a duly elected government in a coup d'etat (a first in U.S. history), (2) tried to obtain a majority on Capitol Hill by shooting up a practice of the Republican Congressional baseball team, and when that didn't work (3) attempted to assassinate a Republican Senator from Kentucky. Not to mention the general advocation of violence against people who think differently, vicious character assassinations like Kavanaugh and by extension every single person that happened to go to the same school as him, attempts against government officials, such as border patrol workers, etc.

One can only imagine if he wins this time around what sort of violence they will commit. They are actively praying for a recession, no matter the human toll of it, just to stop that from happening, do you really think they will care to take measured actions if that doesn't succeed?


Best Super Goofy Post I have seen win a long time.

"a first in U.S. History"? You mean the voters selected Hillary over Deadbeat Donald by around 3 million votes? Strongest argument for the end of the Electoral College that one can find in U.S. History.

That guy shooting up baseball practice? Thanks to the NRA and their political lacks that is just as normal as all the school shootings the NRA has made possible.

Re Kavanaugh? I believe the women and wish that the GOP had let a few other's testify. Now we have a sexual predator on the USSC. A big need here to keep him from drinking,

No need to pray for a recession - one is on the way. Agriculture and manufacturing are already in The Trump Slump.

Go ahead and vote for the guy, regardless of the evidence that becomes public when the House starts holding public hearings.

That's when I tibnk it is really going to get Stormy.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 6:59 pm

extender wrote:
seb146 wrote:
When things get too real, the left goes to the ballot box, the right goes for guns.


I call BS. Obama won twice. Where was the violence? Where was the insurrection? Nowhere.

I don't care what your sexuality is, that is your choice. But don't go running around like if you're going to get dragged behind a car at any moment.


Why don't you choose to be gay for a month? It is a choice, right?

Do not talk down to me about the violence I have seen and been a victim of because of how I was born. At the hands of compassionate Christian conservatives, no less.

There is so much more I want to say but I am just sick and tired of being told that what I experience is a lie. It is not. I really hope you never experience the violence and hate we have experienced just for being. I know that will never happen because MAGA fans are such snowflakes.

As far as Obama, every day all we heard from Republicans was how Obama is Muslim Obama is a socialist, Obama is taking away everyone's right, Obama will be stopped. And Republicans did it. They blocked nominee after nominee. This was YOU REPUBLICANS doing this.

And, yes, there were mass shootings because YOU REPUBLICANS refused to do anything. Violence is protected in the Constitution.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:28 pm

Ken777 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:

Steve Scalise says what?

Last time Trump won, the left (1) engaged the intelligence community to try to overthrow a duly elected government in a coup d'etat (a first in U.S. history), (2) tried to obtain a majority on Capitol Hill by shooting up a practice of the Republican Congressional baseball team, and when that didn't work (3) attempted to assassinate a Republican Senator from Kentucky. Not to mention the general advocation of violence against people who think differently, vicious character assassinations like Kavanaugh and by extension every single person that happened to go to the same school as him, attempts against government officials, such as border patrol workers, etc.

One can only imagine if he wins this time around what sort of violence they will commit. They are actively praying for a recession, no matter the human toll of it, just to stop that from happening, do you really think they will care to take measured actions if that doesn't succeed?


Best Super Goofy Post I have seen win a long time.

"a first in U.S. History"? You mean the voters selected Hillary over Deadbeat Donald by around 3 million votes? Strongest argument for the end of the Electoral College that one can find in U.S. History.

That guy shooting up baseball practice? Thanks to the NRA and their political lacks that is just as normal as all the school shootings the NRA has made possible.

Re Kavanaugh? I believe the women and wish that the GOP had let a few other's testify. Now we have a sexual predator on the USSC. A big need here to keep him from drinking,

No need to pray for a recession - one is on the way. Agriculture and manufacturing are already in The Trump Slump.

Go ahead and vote for the guy, regardless of the evidence that becomes public when the House starts holding public hearings.

That's when I tibnk it is really going to get Stormy.


"My candidate lost, so let's scrap our electoral system to make sure that only people I like win" isn't a compelling argument to get rid of the EC.

Blaming the NRA for a deranged Democrat going on a shooting spree is rich. The NRA didn't make him do it...neither did Bernie. Crazy people are just going to crazy.

There is zero credible evidence that Kavanaugh is guilty of anything except being a teenager. If you are aware of compelling evidence that Kavanaugh committed a crime, I suggest you inform the FBI posthaste.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Sat Oct 26, 2019 7:38 pm

seb146 wrote:
extender wrote:
seb146 wrote:
When things get too real, the left goes to the ballot box, the right goes for guns.


I call BS. Obama won twice. Where was the violence? Where was the insurrection? Nowhere.

I don't care what your sexuality is, that is your choice. But don't go running around like if you're going to get dragged behind a car at any moment.


Why don't you choose to be gay for a month? It is a choice, right?

Do not talk down to me about the violence I have seen and been a victim of because of how I was born. At the hands of compassionate Christian conservatives, no less.

There is so much more I want to say but I am just sick and tired of being told that what I experience is a lie. It is not. I really hope you never experience the violence and hate we have experienced just for being. I know that will never happen because MAGA fans are such snowflakes.

As far as Obama, every day all we heard from Republicans was how Obama is Muslim Obama is a socialist, Obama is taking away everyone's right, Obama will be stopped. And Republicans did it. They blocked nominee after nominee. This was YOU REPUBLICANS doing this.

And, yes, there were mass shootings because YOU REPUBLICANS refused to do anything. Violence is protected in the Constitution.


Violence is protected in the Constitution? Where, exactly?

This "your side is evil" nonsense is exactly the reason we are in the predicament that we are in. Stop equating the mainstream with the lunatics. I don't believe that every single Democrat I meet is an Antifa socialist who wants to murder cops....you shouldn't believe that every Republican is a right-wing neo-Nazi.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:28 pm

N583JB wrote:
Ken777 wrote:
Pyrex wrote:

Steve Scalise says what?

Last time Trump won, the left (1) engaged the intelligence community to try to overthrow a duly elected government in a coup d'etat (a first in U.S. history), (2) tried to obtain a majority on Capitol Hill by shooting up a practice of the Republican Congressional baseball team, and when that didn't work (3) attempted to assassinate a Republican Senator from Kentucky. Not to mention the general advocation of violence against people who think differently, vicious character assassinations like Kavanaugh and by extension every single person that happened to go to the same school as him, attempts against government officials, such as border patrol workers, etc.

One can only imagine if he wins this time around what sort of violence they will commit. They are actively praying for a recession, no matter the human toll of it, just to stop that from happening, do you really think they will care to take measured actions if that doesn't succeed?


Best Super Goofy Post I have seen win a long time.

"a first in U.S. History"? You mean the voters selected Hillary over Deadbeat Donald by around 3 million votes? Strongest argument for the end of the Electoral College that one can find in U.S. History.

That guy shooting up baseball practice? Thanks to the NRA and their political lacks that is just as normal as all the school shootings the NRA has made possible.

Re Kavanaugh? I believe the women and wish that the GOP had let a few other's testify. Now we have a sexual predator on the USSC. A big need here to keep him from drinking,

No need to pray for a recession - one is on the way. Agriculture and manufacturing are already in The Trump Slump.

Go ahead and vote for the guy, regardless of the evidence that becomes public when the House starts holding public hearings.

That's when I tibnk it is really going to get Stormy.


"My candidate lost, so let's scrap our electoral system to make sure that only people I like win" isn't a compelling argument to get rid of the EC.

Blaming the NRA for a deranged Democrat going on a shooting spree is rich. The NRA didn't make him do it...neither did Bernie. Crazy people are just going to crazy.

Frankly it was dumbass Scalise' fault for not being armed. 'Course ensuring the mentally disturbed have unfettered access to weapons didn't turn out the way he thought it would for him :rotfl:

extender wrote:
seb146 wrote:
When things get too real, the left goes to the ballot box, the right goes for guns.


I call BS. Obama won twice. Where was the violence? Where was the insurrection? Nowhere.

I don't care what your sexuality is, that is your choice. But don't go running around like if you're going to get dragged behind a car at any moment.

...just run over by a car, or shot up at a mosque, or synagogue, or walmart
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:07 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
N583JB wrote:
Ken777 wrote:

Best Super Goofy Post I have seen win a long time.

"a first in U.S. History"? You mean the voters selected Hillary over Deadbeat Donald by around 3 million votes? Strongest argument for the end of the Electoral College that one can find in U.S. History.

That guy shooting up baseball practice? Thanks to the NRA and their political lacks that is just as normal as all the school shootings the NRA has made possible.

Re Kavanaugh? I believe the women and wish that the GOP had let a few other's testify. Now we have a sexual predator on the USSC. A big need here to keep him from drinking,

No need to pray for a recession - one is on the way. Agriculture and manufacturing are already in The Trump Slump.

Go ahead and vote for the guy, regardless of the evidence that becomes public when the House starts holding public hearings.

That's when I tibnk it is really going to get Stormy.


"My candidate lost, so let's scrap our electoral system to make sure that only people I like win" isn't a compelling argument to get rid of the EC.

Blaming the NRA for a deranged Democrat going on a shooting spree is rich. The NRA didn't make him do it...neither did Bernie. Crazy people are just going to crazy.

Frankly it was dumbass Scalise' fault for not being armed. 'Course ensuring the mentally disturbed have unfettered access to weapons didn't turn out the way he thought it would for him :rotfl:

extender wrote:
seb146 wrote:
When things get too real, the left goes to the ballot box, the right goes for guns.


I call BS. Obama won twice. Where was the violence? Where was the insurrection? Nowhere.

I don't care what your sexuality is, that is your choice. But don't go running around like if you're going to get dragged behind a car at any moment.

...just run over by a car, or shot up at a mosque, or synagogue, or walmart


I'm glad that mass shootings are a laughing matter to you. How deplorable. At least you admit that the right to own firearms should not be infringed.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:38 am

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Tugger wrote:
As to consequences, yes, I am sure there will be. One of which will likely be a reduction in any future president trying to trade internal-political favors for aid/assistance/money.


Not saying it is right, but every US president has done it for the last 80 years.


Oh reallllyyy? Please share with us who the POTUSes were and details of what transpired in terms of hedging US aid approved by Congress for backchannel personal gain via private attorney? I would be fascinated to see when this was done before.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:44 am

Aaron747 wrote:
extender wrote:
Tugger wrote:
As to consequences, yes, I am sure there will be. One of which will likely be a reduction in any future president trying to trade internal-political favors for aid/assistance/money.


Not saying it is right, but every US president has done it for the last 80 years.


Oh reallllyyy? Please share with us who the POTUSes were and details of what transpired in terms of hedging US aid approved by Congress for backchannel personal gain via private attorney? I would be fascinated to see when this was done before.


We have had this conversation. When the current WH press secretary stood up there and said everyone does it but gave no examples and immediately cut to G7 would be at Doral.

When in doubt, blame Obama and Hillary and the enemy of the people, the "liberal" media. The "liberal" fake media lies all the time, too. If you can't find the answer, there you go. Obama, Hillary and the "liberal" fake media.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:58 am

seb146 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
extender wrote:

Not saying it is right, but every US president has done it for the last 80 years.


Oh reallllyyy? Please share with us who the POTUSes were and details of what transpired in terms of hedging US aid approved by Congress for backchannel personal gain via private attorney? I would be fascinated to see when this was done before.


If you can't find the answer, there you go. Obama, Hillary and the "liberal" fake media.


This came up yesterday again. Fox’s Dan Bongino made a silly claim about impeachment criteria in the Constitution, was corrected by *actual* constitutional scholars all over Twitter (with cites and examples) and instead of admitting he was wrong, Bongino called them ‘fake academics’. :boggled:
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