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There is a movement in rural Oregon about "we will not comply" which is pro-gun legislation. These are the usual right wingers who want all guns, all the time with few restrictions. These are survivalists, anti minorities, people who want the white, English speaking Christian god everywhere, who love the Confederacy. These people are aggressive. They leave their home triggered. They HAVE to open carry. Patriotism is a competition. These are the people I live around and these are the people who will take up arms when their dear leader loses. Not just here in Oregon, but across the country.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:01 pm

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There is a movement in rural Oregon about "we will not comply" which is pro-gun legislation. These are the usual right wingers who want all guns, all the time with few restrictions. These are survivalists, anti minorities, people who want the white, English speaking Christian god everywhere, who love the Confederacy. These people are aggressive. They leave their home triggered. They HAVE to open carry. Patriotism is a competition. These are the people I live around and these are the people who will take up arms when their dear leader loses. Not just here in Oregon, but across the country.


This is all true. In Wisconsin, Trump's most-fervent supporters have guns... dozens of them per person in some cases. I have spoken with them on several occasions and they truly believe that Trump was sent by God to make sure that America doesn't change. These super fans consider themselves modern-day patriots and truly believe it is their responsibility to guarantee that America does not change. They truly believe the Democratic Party and their supporters are the ENEMY... just as ISIS is an enemy. They believe that all Democrats are traitorous Socialists. They believe that if a Democratic president is elected, the USA will collapse unless they intervene, possibly with the use of firearms. They call it "the impending second civil war." Some call it "the second American revolution."

They believe everything that Trump says. For example, Trump said on April 28, 2019, "The baby is born, the mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby." As a result, they now believe that medical professionals are murderous adversaries who kill newborn babies and falsely document the act as an abortions. My brother is a Trumpster and we had a conversation about it. I'm a registered nurse and I tried to tell him that we DO NOT kill newborns. His reply was, "Bob....They're killing babies!" and hung up on me.

They also believe that everything that Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and what other on-air conservative opinion commentators say as factual. The Trumpsters have TOTALLY lost the ability to determine what's real news and what's not. They consider ALL news to be fake, as Trump declares, except that presented by conservative sources. Trumpsters are BRAINWASHED. If a Democrat wins the White House in 2020, it will be a long process to deprogram these people... that's if they don't take up arms against the government, Democratic politicians, and even Democratic-supporting citizens.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:06 pm

EstherLouise wrote:
seb146 wrote:
There is a movement in rural Oregon about "we will not comply" which is pro-gun legislation. These are the usual right wingers who want all guns, all the time with few restrictions. These are survivalists, anti minorities, people who want the white, English speaking Christian god everywhere, who love the Confederacy. These people are aggressive. They leave their home triggered. They HAVE to open carry. Patriotism is a competition. These are the people I live around and these are the people who will take up arms when their dear leader loses. Not just here in Oregon, but across the country.


This is all true. In Wisconsin, Trump's most-fervent supporters have guns... dozens of them per person in some cases. I have spoken with them on several occasions and they truly believe that Trump was sent by God to make sure that America doesn't change. These super fans consider themselves modern-day patriots and truly believe it is their responsibility to guarantee that America does not change. They truly believe the Democratic Party and their supporters are the ENEMY... just as ISIS is an enemy. They believe that all Democrats are traitorous Socialists. They believe that if a Democratic president is elected, the USA will collapse just as Venezuela did.

They believe everything that Trump says. For example, Trump said on April 28, 2019, "The baby is born, the mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby." The now believe that medical professionals are murderous adversaries who kill newborn babies and document the act as an abortions. My brother is a Trumpster and we had a conversation about it. I'm a registered nurse and I tried to tell him that we DO NOT kill newborns. His reply was, "Bob....They're killing babies!" and hung up on me.

They also believe that everything that Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson, and other on-air conservative opinion commentators say as factual. The Trumpsters have TOTALLY lost the ability to determine what's real news and what's not real. They consider ALL news to be fake, as Trump declares, except that presented by conservative sources. Trumpsters are BRAINWASHED. If a Democrat wins the White House in 2020, it will be a long process to deprogram these people... that's if they don't take up arms against the government, Democratic politicians, and even Democratic-supporting citizens.


It’s a personality cult - there’s nothing else to call it. And sorry to hear your brother went off the deep end.
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:13 am

Give that even the so-called "squad" would be considered reasonably moderate in every other developed country in the world, we just look on and shake our heads at the extremism of US politics.
 
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You all are making me sad. How is it possible that we are this far apart on a consensus on what type of person we should have as our President? You all on the right don’t agree with anything people on the left take issue with regarding trump? You all on the left don’t see anything wrong with what those on the right find problematic regarding the plans democrats want to put in place if they win next year?


Consensus politics are gone. People who we want running this country have no interest in the hassle of putting up with the crap in DC, or anywhere else for that matter. Seriously, who wants to have their life wrecked by these hacks? The only place you find the kind of people you want to have in office are outside of the big cities and they don’t stand a snowballs chance in hell on the national level, but they do good things at a local level. The ones that do run on a national level and make headlines are too busy crapping on each other. Look at what the rabid left is doing to Joe Biden. Some of that crap is just ridiculous.

National politics are a shit show and I don’t see it ending anytime soon. The biggest problem is that half the people running aren’t interesting in how to actually make laws, they’re just a bunch of activists who get in because they run on a platform that their local community likes. Regardless any actually abilities. They wouldn’t know how to make a useful law if you showed it to them. The ones that are lawyers are too busy twisting law in their favor while sitting on their hands doing nothing to further things along for the country.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:01 am

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National politics are a shit show and I don’t see it ending anytime soon. The biggest problem is that half the people running aren’t interesting in how to actually make laws, they’re just a bunch of activists who get in because they run on a platform that their local community likes.


You mean the Senators and Representatives who spend time in Congress making laws don't know how to make laws? That is what you are saying? The only one that comes close to what you are saying is Pete Buttigieg. The others hear what has been said over the past years across the country. It just so happens to be what is being said in their own communities. We The People want lower health care costs, better jobs, lower education costs, no wars.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:23 am

seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:
National politics are a shit show and I don’t see it ending anytime soon. The biggest problem is that half the people running aren’t interesting in how to actually make laws, they’re just a bunch of activists who get in because they run on a platform that their local community likes.


You mean the Senators and Representatives who spend time in Congress making laws don't know how to make laws? That is what you are saying? The only one that comes close to what you are saying is Pete Buttigieg. The others hear what has been said over the past years across the country. It just so happens to be what is being said in their own communities. We The People want lower health care costs, better jobs, lower education costs, no wars.


And what makes you think some politician is going to give that to you?
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 4:59 am

DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:
National politics are a shit show and I don’t see it ending anytime soon. The biggest problem is that half the people running aren’t interesting in how to actually make laws, they’re just a bunch of activists who get in because they run on a platform that their local community likes.


You mean the Senators and Representatives who spend time in Congress making laws don't know how to make laws? That is what you are saying? The only one that comes close to what you are saying is Pete Buttigieg. The others hear what has been said over the past years across the country. It just so happens to be what is being said in their own communities. We The People want lower health care costs, better jobs, lower education costs, no wars.


And what makes you think some politician is going to give that to you?


Democrats know they are under a microscope and will give us what we want. ACA is not perfect and Democrats WILL improve on it. Which is more than Republicans have done. And We The People will remember which party helped us.

We all know private corporations will not give us low cost health care, low cost education, affordable housing, good pay, retirement benefits. Politicians will work within the law to get those things for us. But, you go on and put all your trust in private corporations. Let us know how that works for you.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:18 pm

seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

You mean the Senators and Representatives who spend time in Congress making laws don't know how to make laws? That is what you are saying? The only one that comes close to what you are saying is Pete Buttigieg. The others hear what has been said over the past years across the country. It just so happens to be what is being said in their own communities. We The People want lower health care costs, better jobs, lower education costs, no wars.


And what makes you think some politician is going to give that to you?


Democrats know they are under a microscope and will give us what we want. ACA is not perfect and Democrats WILL improve on it. Which is more than Republicans have done. And We The People will remember which party helped us.

We all know private corporations will not give us low cost health care, low cost education, affordable housing, good pay, retirement benefits. Politicians will work within the law to get those things for us. But, you go on and put all your trust in private corporations. Let us know how that works for you.



Let me know when the Democrats do something other than talk about impeachment, as that’s all they have since they took control of the House. Contrast that to what was done by Republicans while Clinton was in office when he lost the house in 1994.
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:42 pm

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They believe everything that Trump says. For example, Trump said on April 28, 2019, "The baby is born, the mother meets with the doctor, they take care of the baby, they wrap the baby beautifully, and then the doctor and the mother determine whether or not they will execute the baby." As a result, they now believe that medical professionals are murderous adversaries who kill newborn babies and falsely document the act as an abortions. My brother is a Trumpster and we had a conversation about it. I'm a registered nurse and I tried to tell him that we DO NOT kill newborns. His reply was, "Bob....They're killing babies!" and hung up on me.


He is referring to where Illinois state Senator Obama voted against the Born Alive Protection Act three times, where Obama would have criminalized a doctor providing medical care to a baby that survived an abortion. Trump is sensationalizing it by saying they discuss executing the baby (outside the womb) versus let the baby die (where the failed execution happened moments ago inside the womb). IMO and most pro lifers, both are equally cruel.

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Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:06 pm

If the Dems manage to win, the only violence will be Trump being dragged kicking and screaming out of the White House.

That said, unless the Dems come up with a better candidate than I'm seeing in the current crop, he will win reelection.
 
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Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:54 pm

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Give that even the so-called "squad" would be considered reasonably moderate in every other developed country in the world, we just look on and shake our heads at the extremism of US politics.


You see what the media puts out. In reality the majority of America, the 80-90% in the middle of the extreme spectrums do not fit the media narrative because they're boring. They're apolitical and don't sell newspapers/magazines/clicks. The people that work 9-5, go home, eat dinner and go to a sports practice with their kids.

This is one of my issues with how America is perceived on the world stage. You only see the bad and the bizarre.

As to the OP question. There will not be violence. The OP discusses how Trump's hardcore supporters all support conspiracy theories but suggesting that they will all pickup their AR-15's and take to the streets to eliminate the opposition is in itself a conspiracy theory.

I suspect Trump wins. The path may not be identical - but he'll likely win. Its incredibly difficult to defeat an incumbent. Especially when economic numbers are where they're at.

It's kind of sad reading the comments: Yes the Right will absolutely rise up and be violent! Yes the Left will absolutely rise up and be violent! Come on, you are all being ridiculous. There will be protests, either way, some will get slightly out of hand, but that is to be expected. get over yourselves and get out of your echo chambers.
 
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seb146 wrote:
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And what makes you think some politician is going to give that to you?


Democrats know they are under a microscope and will give us what we want. ACA is not perfect and Democrats WILL improve on it. Which is more than Republicans have done. And We The People will remember which party helped us.

We all know private corporations will not give us low cost health care, low cost education, affordable housing, good pay, retirement benefits. Politicians will work within the law to get those things for us. But, you go on and put all your trust in private corporations. Let us know how that works for you.



Let me know when the Democrats do something other than talk about impeachment, as that’s all they have since they took control of the House. Contrast that to what was done by Republicans while Clinton was in office when he lost the house in 1994.


There is actual evidence that this administration broke laws and committed impeachable offenses. Like asking Ukraine to investigate Biden. There are also clear violations of the Emoluments Clause. Also, it is not like any legislation will even make it to the floor of the Senate. Democrats actually do put forth reasonable legislation and vote to pass it on the the Senate for consideration. But, REPUBLICANS in the Senate only want to confirm extremist right wing judges who will legislate from the bench.

In 1994, Republicans used Ken Starr to endlessly investigate Clinton in order to remove him from office. When the Starr team hit a wall because there was no evidence (there was no "there" there) they simply switched gears and started investigating something else. When that came to a dead end because there was no evidence that any crime had been committed AGAIN, they switched gears AGAIN until they found Bill got a hummer and didn't want to talk about it. His popularity was over 50% IIRC. What did they find? Did he violate the Emoluments Clause? Did he work with foreign governments to investigate those running against him? Nope. It was because Clinton didn't want to talk about a BJ. Don't even try to compare the two. They are not even close. And you all are still insisting the Clinton family has committed crimes. After decades of investigation and zero evidence. Just like the earlier claim that millions of illegals voted, there is zero evidence the Clinton family committed any crime.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:13 am

seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Democrats know they are under a microscope and will give us what we want. ACA is not perfect and Democrats WILL improve on it. Which is more than Republicans have done. And We The People will remember which party helped us.

We all know private corporations will not give us low cost health care, low cost education, affordable housing, good pay, retirement benefits. Politicians will work within the law to get those things for us. But, you go on and put all your trust in private corporations. Let us know how that works for you.



Let me know when the Democrats do something other than talk about impeachment, as that’s all they have since they took control of the House. Contrast that to what was done by Republicans while Clinton was in office when he lost the house in 1994.


There is actual evidence that this administration broke laws and committed impeachable offenses. Like asking Ukraine to investigate Biden. There are also clear violations of the Emoluments Clause. Also, it is not like any legislation will even make it to the floor of the Senate. Democrats actually do put forth reasonable legislation and vote to pass it on the the Senate for consideration. But, REPUBLICANS in the Senate only want to confirm extremist right wing judges who will legislate from the bench.

In 1994, Republicans used Ken Starr to endlessly investigate Clinton in order to remove him from office. When the Starr team hit a wall because there was no evidence (there was no "there" there) they simply switched gears and started investigating something else. When that came to a dead end because there was no evidence that any crime had been committed AGAIN, they switched gears AGAIN until they found Bill got a hummer and didn't want to talk about it. His popularity was over 50% IIRC. What did they find? Did he violate the Emoluments Clause? Did he work with foreign governments to investigate those running against him? Nope. It was because Clinton didn't want to talk about a BJ. Don't even try to compare the two. They are not even close. And you all are still insisting the Clinton family has committed crimes. After decades of investigation and zero evidence. Just like the earlier claim that millions of illegals voted, there is zero evidence the Clinton family committed any crime.


Oh brother. You watch too much MSNBS.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:54 am

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Let me know when the Democrats do something other than talk about impeachment, as that’s all they have since they took control of the House. Contrast that to what was done by Republicans while Clinton was in office when he lost the house in 1994.


There is actual evidence that this administration broke laws and committed impeachable offenses. Like asking Ukraine to investigate Biden. There are also clear violations of the Emoluments Clause. Also, it is not like any legislation will even make it to the floor of the Senate. Democrats actually do put forth reasonable legislation and vote to pass it on the the Senate for consideration. But, REPUBLICANS in the Senate only want to confirm extremist right wing judges who will legislate from the bench.

In 1994, Republicans used Ken Starr to endlessly investigate Clinton in order to remove him from office. When the Starr team hit a wall because there was no evidence (there was no "there" there) they simply switched gears and started investigating something else. When that came to a dead end because there was no evidence that any crime had been committed AGAIN, they switched gears AGAIN until they found Bill got a hummer and didn't want to talk about it. His popularity was over 50% IIRC. What did they find? Did he violate the Emoluments Clause? Did he work with foreign governments to investigate those running against him? Nope. It was because Clinton didn't want to talk about a BJ. Don't even try to compare the two. They are not even close. And you all are still insisting the Clinton family has committed crimes. After decades of investigation and zero evidence. Just like the earlier claim that millions of illegals voted, there is zero evidence the Clinton family committed any crime.


Oh brother. You watch too much MSNBS.


Watch them and listen to the righties here and I can use logic and reason to come to the conclusions I do. And?

Still waiting for evidence that millions of illegals voted and crimes the Clintons committed.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:42 am

seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

There is actual evidence that this administration broke laws and committed impeachable offenses. Like asking Ukraine to investigate Biden. There are also clear violations of the Emoluments Clause. Also, it is not like any legislation will even make it to the floor of the Senate. Democrats actually do put forth reasonable legislation and vote to pass it on the the Senate for consideration. But, REPUBLICANS in the Senate only want to confirm extremist right wing judges who will legislate from the bench.

In 1994, Republicans used Ken Starr to endlessly investigate Clinton in order to remove him from office. When the Starr team hit a wall because there was no evidence (there was no "there" there) they simply switched gears and started investigating something else. When that came to a dead end because there was no evidence that any crime had been committed AGAIN, they switched gears AGAIN until they found Bill got a hummer and didn't want to talk about it. His popularity was over 50% IIRC. What did they find? Did he violate the Emoluments Clause? Did he work with foreign governments to investigate those running against him? Nope. It was because Clinton didn't want to talk about a BJ. Don't even try to compare the two. They are not even close. And you all are still insisting the Clinton family has committed crimes. After decades of investigation and zero evidence. Just like the earlier claim that millions of illegals voted, there is zero evidence the Clinton family committed any crime.


Oh brother. You watch too much MSNBS.


Watch them and listen to the righties here and I can use logic and reason to come to the conclusions I do. And?

Still waiting for evidence that millions of illegals voted and crimes the Clintons committed.


You’ll have to wait for the person that posed the question of three million illegals voting. I was also taking about a Congress that actually got things done when they took the House, unlike today’s environment where zero is being done.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:49 am

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The left became violent when he won.


I know really. We should worry more about if he wins what the left will do.


Or we should be worried WHEN he loses the popular vote AND the Electoral College vote and refuses to step down.

BTW, how many have "the left" killed since November 2016 because of their beliefs vs. how many the right has killed since November 2016? You all keep going on and on about how violent the left is but, the actual fact is THE RIGHT is more willing to resort to violence and murder and terrorism.


Well, they had to send in a robot to kill the lefist radical in Dallas after his murder spree.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:28 pm

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seb146 wrote:
DL717 wrote:

Oh brother. You watch too much MSNBS.


Watch them and listen to the righties here and I can use logic and reason to come to the conclusions I do. And?

Still waiting for evidence that millions of illegals voted and crimes the Clintons committed.


You’ll have to wait for the person that posed the question of three million illegals voting. I was also taking about a Congress that actually got things done when they took the House, unlike today’s environment where zero is being done.


You backed up Windy's claim by agreeing and you have been posting most, so I just figured you have some insight as to illegals voting.

What got done when Republicans were in control of everything? Tax cuts for the rich and cutting ACA. That's it. The House is actually debating and passing bills. Nothing is getting done because Mitch McConnell refuses to take up bills that have passed The House. He lets them sit in committee in the Senate. You want so badly for things to be Democrat's fault but all evidence points to Mitch McConnell and the occupant of the White House being the problems.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:34 pm

Prison reform got done.

What bills are being debated in the house right now? All I see when the news is on is impeachment this, impeachment that.
 
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:35 pm

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I know really. We should worry more about if he wins what the left will do.


Or we should be worried WHEN he loses the popular vote AND the Electoral College vote and refuses to step down.

BTW, how many have "the left" killed since November 2016 because of their beliefs vs. how many the right has killed since November 2016? You all keep going on and on about how violent the left is but, the actual fact is THE RIGHT is more willing to resort to violence and murder and terrorism.


Well, they had to send in a robot to kill the lefist radical in Dallas after his murder spree.


He was an Afghanistan war veteran which means he probably had PTSD. How does that make him a "leftist radical"? Besides, that is one guy killing like four people. Even if we count him as a "leftist radical" that still is way fewer people killed by "leftist radicals" than right wing domestic terrorists. This one "leftist radical" did not write a manifesto praising Barack Obama and the Clintons. No. This "leftist radical" was angry that white police officers were murdering blacks for things like driving and parking and walking down the street and sitting in a park. Instead of peacefully marching like everyone else, his PTSD probably kicked in and he snapped.

You are still proving that "leftist radicals" are much more peaceful than right wing domestic terrorists.
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Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:38 pm

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Prison reform got done.

What bills are being debated in the house right now? All I see when the news is on is impeachment this, impeachment that.


Prison reform?

https://www.congress.gov/congressional-record

It is extremely dry and does not sell like the soap opera that is impeachment but things are getting done in the House. The Senate continues to confirm right wing radical judges who will legislate from the bench. That is under reported as well.
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I think chump will lose, god help us if he doesn’t, however he won’t step down willingly and that is a major problem

He will claim the election is rigged (it will be but for him with help from Putin) and he will do anything, anything at all to stay in power


Up to and including declaring martial law on some pretense, starting a nuclear war on another


He will quite deliberately destroy the planet and mankind if allowed, he knows that if he does leave he faces prison which is where he belongs for the rest of his life
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Up to and including declaring martial law on some pretense, starting a nuclear war on another

He will quite deliberately destroy the planet and mankind if allowed, he knows that if he does leave he faces prison which is where he belongs for the rest of his life
Don’t be daft. Trump is a moron, but he won’t start a nuclear war. He already backed down from attacking Iran when he heard it might kill a few dozen Iranians. And you think he will go nuclear?

Besides, the pentagon would certainly not go for it.

Also, being the narcisist he is, he wants his name (positively) in the history books. He’ll end up in history books regardless, but, barring a miracle, the last way for him to get a positive footnote is to not start a new war. That would be quite unique for a US president. ;)

As for declaring martial law... I can’t say I’m equally convinced he would not try that.
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Up to and including declaring martial law on some pretense, starting a nuclear war on another

He will quite deliberately destroy the planet and mankind if allowed, he knows that if he does leave he faces prison which is where he belongs for the rest of his life
Don’t be daft. Trump is a moron, but he won’t start a nuclear war. He already backed down from attacking Iran when he heard it might kill a few dozen Iranians. And you think he will go nuclear?

Besides, the pentagon would certainly not go for it.

Also, being the narcisist he is, he wants his name (positively) in the history books. He’ll end up in history books regardless, but, barring a miracle, the last way for him to get a positive footnote is to not start a new war. That would be quite unique for a US president. ;)

As for declaring martial law... I can’t say I’m equally convinced he would not try that.


American troops are being sent to the Middle East.

The occupant of the White House does not care about in the future. He only cares about now. If every American does not adore him, he must find a way to get us all behind him now. He must be seen as a hero by everyone right now and as long as he is alive. Look at his love/hate relationship with Fox. When they praise him, he tweets how great they are. When they criticize him, he calls them fake. He only cares about his ego now. He does not care about when he dies. He probably does not believe that will happen.

We need access to mental health. Starting at the top.
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seb146 wrote:
petertenthije wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Up to and including declaring martial law on some pretense, starting a nuclear war on another

He will quite deliberately destroy the planet and mankind if allowed, he knows that if he does leave he faces prison which is where he belongs for the rest of his life
Don’t be daft. Trump is a moron, but he won’t start a nuclear war. He already backed down from attacking Iran when he heard it might kill a few dozen Iranians. And you think he will go nuclear?

Besides, the pentagon would certainly not go for it.

Also, being the narcisist he is, he wants his name (positively) in the history books. He’ll end up in history books regardless, but, barring a miracle, the last way for him to get a positive footnote is to not start a new war. That would be quite unique for a US president. ;)

As for declaring martial law... I can’t say I’m equally convinced he would not try that.


American troops are being sent to the Middle East.

The occupant of the White House does not care about in the future. He only cares about now. If every American does not adore him, he must find a way to get us all behind him now. He must be seen as a hero by everyone right now and as long as he is alive. Look at his love/hate relationship with Fox. When they praise him, he tweets how great they are. When they criticize him, he calls them fake. He only cares about his ego now. He does not care about when he dies. He probably does not believe that will happen.

We need access to mental health. Starting at the top.



Well said

Peterten you massively underestimate the
sheer level of chump’s insanity


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Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:48 am

As I discussed before, my fear is another 2000 situation where the fate of election by the EC vote, then in Florida, is held by one state and many questions are raised by the accuracy of the vote. For sure there will be a far more aggressive response by the Democratic candidate and party than in 2000 and could lead to small scale violence.

I am also very concerned with violence toward Trump himself, his family, properties with his name on them as well as the Democratic Presidential candidates and their families. There are also the threats of violence of party leaders and outspoken members of both parties. Recall the murder of Robert Kennedy in 1968. In 1972 3rd Party multi-term Governor of Alabama and racist George Wallace (paralyzed from the waste down). Attempts against all Presidents including where Pres. Reagan was shot and badly wounded. While the level of Secret Service protections has increased tremendously over the last decades, it isn't and cannot be perfect.

There is also the growing emotions as to our politics and as in the past, literally triggering some unstable person or persons to do acts of violence as to political leaders. For Democrats that isn't helped much by some wanting to take away certain classes of guns from legal owners, their attitudes as to illegal immigrants and asylum migrants, liberal attitudes as to legal abortion, GLTBQ rights, taking sides with Persons of Color vs. police as well as not keeping enough factory and other jobs in the USA.. For Republicans, it is trying to destroy the ACA, make massive tax cuts to the rich with massive cuts in needs spending, supporting inhumane treatments of detained asylum seekers and those that illegally entered or reside the USA, major cuts in government regulations that protect us.

We are indeed reaching a time of great political turmoil and division in the USA, perhaps the worst since 1968. In 1968, we had reactions to the Civil Rights Acts ending generations of legal racism, the disputed Vietnam War, destructive riots in heavily Black cities as well as clashes at the Democratic Party Convention in Chicago that year (Nixon ran on 'law and order' theme), social changes including abortion, the early stages of woman's and GLTBQ rights. Now it is about some of those same issues but for the Vietnam War. I suspect the 2020 election season will be brutal turning off a lot of voters and once again a minority of voters making the choices, and a chance of serious violence.
 
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:25 pm

ltbewr wrote:
I am also very concerned with violence toward Trump himself, his family, properties with his name on them as well as the Democratic Presidential candidates and their families. There are also the threats of violence of party leaders and outspoken members of both parties. Recall the murder of Robert Kennedy in 1968. In 1972 3rd Party multi-term Governor of Alabama and racist George Wallace (paralyzed from the waste down). Attempts against all Presidents including where Pres. Reagan was shot and badly wounded. While the level of Secret Service protections has increased tremendously over the last decades, it isn't and cannot be perfect.


There have already been death threats against political leaders. AOC and Ilhan Omar, specifically, but other Democrats in the name of the occupant of the White House.

ltbewr wrote:
There is also the growing emotions as to our politics and as in the past, literally triggering some unstable person or persons to do acts of violence as to political leaders. For Democrats that isn't helped much by some wanting to take away certain classes of guns from legal owners, their attitudes as to illegal immigrants and asylum migrants, liberal attitudes as to legal abortion, GLTBQ rights, taking sides with Persons of Color vs. police as well as not keeping enough factory and other jobs in the USA.. For Republicans, it is trying to destroy the ACA, make massive tax cuts to the rich with massive cuts in needs spending, supporting inhumane treatments of detained asylum seekers and those that illegally entered or reside the USA, major cuts in government regulations that protect us.


Still not understanding how treating people with respect and giving them equality is a bad thing. Please explain why giving LGBTQ people and minorities and women the same rights as white Christian men is so terrible?

ltbewr wrote:
We are indeed reaching a time of great political turmoil and division in the USA, perhaps the worst since 1968. In 1968, we had reactions to the Civil Rights Acts ending generations of legal racism, the disputed Vietnam War, destructive riots in heavily Black cities as well as clashes at the Democratic Party Convention in Chicago that year (Nixon ran on 'law and order' theme), social changes including abortion, the early stages of woman's and GLTBQ rights. Now it is about some of those same issues but for the Vietnam War. I suspect the 2020 election season will be brutal turning off a lot of voters and once again a minority of voters making the choices, and a chance of serious violence.


Let's not forget the ongoing violence of white supremacists. Gunning down shoppers at Wal-Mart and marching through the streets of Portland looking for people to trigger and running down peaceful protesters. You can blame LGBTQ and minorities all you want but the simple fact is Republicans want to roll back laws to the 1820s. The rest of us have a taste of equality. That is the "unrest" you are seeing from us. Wanting to keep our equality. Sorry (not sorry) that bothers Republicans. We are just as American and we deserve the same protections.
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seb146 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
... GLTBQ rights, taking sides with Persons of Color vs. police as well as not keeping enough factory and other jobs in the USA.. For Republicans, it is trying to destroy the ACA, make massive tax cuts to the rich with massive cuts in needs spending, supporting inhumane treatments of detained asylum seekers and those that illegally entered or reside the USA, major cuts in government regulations that protect us.


Still not understanding how treating people with respect and giving them equality is a bad thing. Please explain why giving LGBTQ people and minorities and women the same rights as white Christian men is so terrible?

ltbewr wrote:
We are indeed reaching a time of great political turmoil and division in the USA, perhaps the worst since 1968. In 1968, we had reactions to the Civil Rights Acts ending generations of legal racism, the disputed Vietnam War, destructive riots in heavily Black cities as well as clashes at the Democratic Party Convention in Chicago that year (Nixon ran on 'law and order' theme), social changes including abortion, the early stages of woman's and GLTBQ rights. Now it is about some of those same issues but for the Vietnam War. I suspect the 2020 election season will be brutal turning off a lot of voters and once again a minority of voters making the choices, and a chance of serious violence.


Let's not forget the ongoing violence of white supremacists. Gunning down shoppers at Wal-Mart and marching through the streets of Portland looking for people to trigger and running down peaceful protesters. You can blame LGBTQ and minorities all you want but the simple fact is Republicans want to roll back laws to the 1820s. The rest of us have a taste of equality. That is the "unrest" you are seeing from us. Wanting to keep our equality. Sorry (not sorry) that bothers Republicans. We are just as American and we deserve the same protections.


I support GLTBQ rights, including marriage of same gender partners, but many in our country who vote don't and will vote to support conservative extremists who want to reverse gains in the last decades instead of even moderates, centrists, left of center and progressives who really have their interests at heart. Recall in 2016 the nasty battle as to access to public bathrooms and similar facilities by Transsexuals. It was a intended distraction by Republicans to hurt the Democrats message rather than talk about real issues, they played the fear of male Transsexals being in female bathrooms,etc might assault their kids, or offend their faith beliefs.
 
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:42 pm

Max Q wrote:
Peterten you massively underestimate the
sheer level of chump’s insanity


There is nothing he won’t do to protect himself
Seriously, you are mad if you think he is going to start a nuclear war. And even if he did push the button, the Pentagon would never go along with it.

Now, a few cruise missiles to rally the home-front, yeah, that is a distinct possibility.
martial law as you suggested, not likely but not quite beyond Trump either.
Nukes... not buying it.
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Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:46 pm

petertenthije wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Peterten you massively underestimate the
sheer level of chump’s insanity


There is nothing he won’t do to protect himself
Seriously, you are mad if you think he is going to start a nuclear war. And even if he did push the button, the Pentagon would never go along with it.

Now, a few cruise missiles to rally the home-front, yeah, that is a distinct possibility.
martial law as you suggested, not likely but not quite beyond Trump either.
Nukes... not buying it.



I hope you’re right


So far he’s pretty much checked off the list
regarding things we thought could never happen


Placing your faith in the military to do the right thing would normally be a legitimate
position but chump has plenty of support
with them and he is the commander in Chief


If he gives an order they are obliged to follow it, if the first General he talks to refuses he just goes to the next
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:08 pm

ltbewr wrote:
seb146 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
... GLTBQ rights, taking sides with Persons of Color vs. police as well as not keeping enough factory and other jobs in the USA.. For Republicans, it is trying to destroy the ACA, make massive tax cuts to the rich with massive cuts in needs spending, supporting inhumane treatments of detained asylum seekers and those that illegally entered or reside the USA, major cuts in government regulations that protect us.


Still not understanding how treating people with respect and giving them equality is a bad thing. Please explain why giving LGBTQ people and minorities and women the same rights as white Christian men is so terrible?

ltbewr wrote:
We are indeed reaching a time of great political turmoil and division in the USA, perhaps the worst since 1968. In 1968, we had reactions to the Civil Rights Acts ending generations of legal racism, the disputed Vietnam War, destructive riots in heavily Black cities as well as clashes at the Democratic Party Convention in Chicago that year (Nixon ran on 'law and order' theme), social changes including abortion, the early stages of woman's and GLTBQ rights. Now it is about some of those same issues but for the Vietnam War. I suspect the 2020 election season will be brutal turning off a lot of voters and once again a minority of voters making the choices, and a chance of serious violence.


Let's not forget the ongoing violence of white supremacists. Gunning down shoppers at Wal-Mart and marching through the streets of Portland looking for people to trigger and running down peaceful protesters. You can blame LGBTQ and minorities all you want but the simple fact is Republicans want to roll back laws to the 1820s. The rest of us have a taste of equality. That is the "unrest" you are seeing from us. Wanting to keep our equality. Sorry (not sorry) that bothers Republicans. We are just as American and we deserve the same protections.


I support GLTBQ rights, including marriage of same gender partners, but many in our country who vote don't and will vote to support conservative extremists who want to reverse gains in the last decades instead of even moderates, centrists, left of center and progressives who really have their interests at heart. Recall in 2016 the nasty battle as to access to public bathrooms and similar facilities by Transsexuals. It was a intended distraction by Republicans to hurt the Democrats message rather than talk about real issues, they played the fear of male Transsexals being in female bathrooms,etc might assault their kids, or offend their faith beliefs.


And with the right wing activist judges now able to legislate from the bench, rights will be taken away from us in the LGBTQ community, including marriage.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Mon Sep 23, 2019 11:52 pm

I think that most elections are actually lost by the opposing party as a large fraction of their electorate is too bored to show up at the voting booth.
So, it is not as much about winning an election as well as NOT LOSING an election.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Sep 26, 2019 4:35 am

Voltaire said - “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can also make you commit atrocities.”

Well, Trump supporters already believe in absurdities, so what’s next?

We’ve already seen this with numerous idiots bolstered by Trump’s hate speeches. Mass murders inspired by Trump’s rantings, the little boy who was body slammed by a Trump sycophant and rushed to the hospital for not saying the pledge. There’s an endless list of his supporters doing the most terrible things. They have a history of violence, so I wouldn’t count violence out on election night. They’ll realize this was no movement to take back the country, but rather a fluke or momentary loss of sanity amongst the American people. They’ll show us liberals what it’s like to truly be triggered.
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:18 am

Just watched this video: https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTr ... 7987275776

Wow, yes. You don‘t have to be a rocket scientist to know that some people might consider this as an invitation to start violences if (... a big „if“ if you ask me...) he will not be elected again. All these dramatic words („they want to take away your guns“), if the election will not end as his supporters hope, I guess they simply can’t do anything else but to take their guns and run onto the streets.

What is so shocking for me is to see how much hate there is. But that’s not limited to the USA, see UK or in parts of the society in France and in Germany.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:43 pm

I'm worried about the Trump's call for a civil war to be taken literally.
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Tue Oct 01, 2019 10:44 pm

...will there be violence?
An innocent man..would make sure such thoughts are disposed of before spoken of, an innocent person would never even entertain the notion.

A guilty man on the other hand, he'll burn down everything he can see

So he loves America, eh?

Then why is he tossing out thinly veiled threatens of violence and civil unrest if he is impeached?

Did Hillary wish America to be ripped apart when she had to face such a loss in the face of Most of Americans voting for her?

No she, begrudgingly accepted her loss and graciously conceded.

Only a child or extremely immature adult... thinks in terms of 'I don't care what happens, as long as they don't get to me!' - self-first, self-interest First!

Make America Great After ME! ...is what the fool meant.
He's reduced to advocating violence because aside from nothing, what does he have left?


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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:11 am

Here is an interesting read about the recent "civil war" tweets and how the right wing gun nuts are reacting to them

https://www.lawfareblog.com/armed-milit ... 0V6BIH03gQ

Same way some of the MAGA base are reacting to violence against minorities, it looks like. El Paso but on a national scale. So much respect for the United States.....
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:45 am

Answer is no. In general democracies have turned into freak shows throughout the globe. People want to forget everything the day after elections. But news networks and the losing side keeping this misery alive.

Few nut jobs will go berserk, they will in any case.

The day 20 Dems started throwing mud on each other on national TV, their chance of winning became thin.

With Biden being tainted goods and Sanders status is unknown, leaves just Warren. If Dems want to win, stop this primary nonsense and announce a candidate.

Democrats cannot unite to do the right thing and Republicans always unite to do the worst thing possible without hesitation.

The self-righteousness of liberals always works in favor of conservatives. Even if Dems win Presidency, Congress and Senate they will not be able to achieve anything. They will fight among themselves.

Fox and CNN will switch roles.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:31 am

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He is referring to where Illinois state Senator Obama voted against the Born Alive Protection Act three times, where Obama would have criminalized a doctor providing medical care to a baby that survived an abortion. Trump is sensationalizing it by saying they discuss executing the baby (outside the womb) versus let the baby die (where the failed execution happened moments ago inside the womb). IMO and most pro lifers, both are equally cruel.


Interesting, because once the baby has been born, the GOP doesn't seem to give a damn about it. Also, another question for you: why do you think the highest teenage pregnancies are in red states?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosm ... births.htm
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:58 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
With Biden being tainted goods and Sanders status is unknown, leaves just Warren. If Dems want to win, stop this primary nonsense and announce a candidate.


Twenty candidates got the debate back on track. Out of control health care, out of control college costs, out of control rent, out of control tariffs, no America First policy. Democrats have Buttigieg and Booker and Harris as well as Biden (who has done nothing wrong and has been proven over and over but facts be damned) and Warren and Sanders. Democrats will never ever win a specific sector of the voting bloc because, as that sector has been told, Democrats are socialist/communist/marxist/maoist.

Fox and AM radio has already poisoned a small sector of voters.
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:06 pm

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Interesting, because once the baby has been born, the GOP doesn't seem to give a damn about it. Also, another question for you: why do you think the highest teenage pregnancies are in red states?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosm ... births.htm


No, you got that backwards. It was Obama, a Democrat, who insists the baby die from the botched abortion after it has been born by wanting to criminalize a doctor from providing it medical care. Republicans are for helping the baby after it's been born by letting the doctor save it's life without facing criminal charges. In the example you quoted, the Democrat doesn't care about the born baby, not a Republican.

As for your other point, I think if you understood the chart you linked the reason might be easier to understand why that might be the case. The chart looks at teen births, not teen pregnancies. Red states are more pro life so a pregnant teen in a red state might be more likely to not abort their baby which would translate into a higher birth rate.
 
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Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:52 pm

afcjets wrote:
bgm wrote:
Interesting, because once the baby has been born, the GOP doesn't seem to give a damn about it. Also, another question for you: why do you think the highest teenage pregnancies are in red states?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosm ... births.htm


No, you got that backwards. It was Obama, a Democrat, who insists the baby die from the botched abortion after it has been born by wanting to criminalize a doctor from providing it medical care. Republicans are for helping the baby after it's been born by letting the doctor save it's life without facing criminal charges. In the example you quoted, the Democrat doesn't care about the born baby, not a Republican.

As for your other point, I think if you understood the chart you linked the reason might be easier to understand why that might be the case. The chart looks at teen births, not teen pregnancies. Red states are more pro life so a pregnant teen in a red state might be more likely to not abort their baby which would translate into a higher birth rate.


You're completely way off base, as usual. Perhaps for the less teenage births, it could be due to blue states having better sex education, showing that abstinence and instilling the fear of God isn't the only contraceptive out there.

And remind me again, what does the GOP do to help these unwanted children through their lives? Toss a bible at them and wish them luck?
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 1:53 am

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You're completely way off base, as usual. Perhaps for the less teenage births, it could be due to blue states having better sex education, showing that abstinence and instilling the fear of God isn't the only contraceptive out there.

And remind me again, what does the GOP do to help these unwanted children through their lives? Toss a bible at them and wish them luck?


Unfortunately the data once again proves you wrong. Of the top ten states with the highest abortion rates, the top eight are blue states, the ninth is purple, and only the tenth one is red. More teen abortions = less teen births. Here is the list:

Rank State Abortion Rate
1 New York 32
2 Delaware 28
3 New Jersey 24
4 Hawaii 23
5 Maryland 22
6 Connecticut 20
7 Nevada 20
8 California 19
9 Florida 19
10 Alaska 17

https://www.thoughtco.com/states-with-h ... es-3533770
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:41 am

afcjets wrote:
bgm wrote:

You're completely way off base, as usual. Perhaps for the less teenage births, it could be due to blue states having better sex education, showing that abstinence and instilling the fear of God isn't the only contraceptive out there.

And remind me again, what does the GOP do to help these unwanted children through their lives? Toss a bible at them and wish them luck?


Unfortunately the data once again proves you wrong. Of the top ten states with the highest abortion rates, the top eight are blue states, the ninth is purple, and only the tenth one is red. More teen abortions = less teen births. Here is the list:

Rank State Abortion Rate
1 New York 32
2 Delaware 28
3 New Jersey 24
4 Hawaii 23
5 Maryland 22
6 Connecticut 20
7 Nevada 20
8 California 19
9 Florida 19
10 Alaska 17

https://www.thoughtco.com/states-with-h ... es-3533770


So what? Abortion is legal in those places...what makes you think those (in need) in red states where abortion is being outlawed are traveling the blues to get it done.

But why is this even being discussed here...this topic has nothing to with thread topic.

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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:44 am

afcjets wrote:
Unfortunately the data once again proves you wrong. Of the top ten states with the highest abortion rates, the top eight are blue states, the ninth is purple, and only the tenth one is red. More teen abortions = less teen births. Here is the list:

Rank State Abortion Rate
1 New York 32
2 Delaware 28
3 New Jersey 24
4 Hawaii 23
5 Maryland 22
6 Connecticut 20
7 Nevada 20
8 California 19
9 Florida 19
10 Alaska 17

https://www.thoughtco.com/states-with-h ... es-3533770


How clean is the data? Access to birth control? The Pill and the Morn ing After Pill. How about levels of Sex Education in the schools.

Then the level of medical necessary? Blood cancers early in the pregnancy the demands chemo (which is poison) that will be fatal to be baby. Other issues like Anencephaly (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephaly)is a pretty good reason. With profound Downs there is always the argument that the paren ts will love them and the state can financially and physically take care of him or her when they are orphaned.

When the potential for multiple reasons are included the numbers get a bit distorted. Maybe, at some levels, the list indicates states where the citizens are taken better care of.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 04, 2019 8:22 am

May I remind you to stay on topic, if you want to discuss abortion rates in detail feel free to do it in a separate thread, thanks.
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:40 pm

Well I don't think Meal Team Six are much to worry about...

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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:44 pm

afcjets wrote:
bgm wrote:
Interesting, because once the baby has been born, the GOP doesn't seem to give a damn about it. Also, another question for you: why do you think the highest teenage pregnancies are in red states?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosm ... births.htm


No, you got that backwards. It was Obama, a Democrat, who insists the baby die from the botched abortion after it has been born by wanting to criminalize a doctor from providing it medical care. Republicans are for helping the baby after it's been born by letting the doctor save it's life without facing criminal charges. In the example you quoted, the Democrat doesn't care about the born baby, not a Republican.

As for your other point, I think if you understood the chart you linked the reason might be easier to understand why that might be the case. The chart looks at teen births, not teen pregnancies. Red states are more pro life so a pregnant teen in a red state might be more likely to not abort their baby which would translate into a higher birth rate.


So more delusions from the right wing folks....
 
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:45 pm

Yes. 45 will throw a big, violent temper tantrum.
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Re: If Trump loses in 2020, will there be violence?

Sun Oct 06, 2019 5:22 pm

Violence, do you people mean like how the guy in a red MAGA hat was assaulted the other day? The only ones that have been committing political violence aren’t on the right... it’s people that can’t comprehend why their chosen one lost the election and are unable to deal with it. You can come on here and try to pawn the hatred and vitriol off on those that support Trump but we have been dealing with the lunacy of the leftist extremists in this country since before Trump was elected. Anyone remember the violent encounters with protesters during Trumps election campaign stops? Ever wonder why those that supported Trump never committed violence at Hillarie's rallies?

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