mjoelnir wrote:

Perhaps the best way is, to put the tariffs on the USA wares and use them to pay the 10 % tariff of airplanes into the USA.

That statement reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of how tariffs work and are paid. Tariffs are paid by the importer. That might be Delta, if Delta buys directly from Airbus SE. It might some some local American Airbus entity (Airbus USA?) if there is a transfer sale from Airbus SE to Airbus USA (then to Delta). Tariffs are paid TO the government. If an EU government turns around and hands tariff moneys to Airbus -- that's just more illegal aid.

Reuters had a very good timeline of EU aid to Airbus and the progression through the WTO. The U.S. case against EU aid to Airbus has gone all the way through findings and WTO approval of counter-veiling tariffs. The EU case against Washington State aid to Boeing has not. There were years and years of determinations by the WTO that some forms of EU aid to Airbus were illegal.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-wto- ... SKBN1WH198

To the OP's question: Aircraft assembled in Mobile are tariff-exempt as a consideration to the ~1,000 Alabama employees, not because the aircraft there assembled have enough American content (or North American content under NAFTA) to be considered American-made. Ten guys just painting fully-assembled A350s in Mobile wouldn't get the same courtesy. Tariff classifications can be very complicated - and surgically applied. Any clever idea by Airbus will be undone by the stroke of a pen. Now, if Airbus wants to invest $1.5 Billion to start an A330neo line for the 33 more DL aircraft on order I'm confident those could also be tariff-exempted.

M O'L says he expects Boeing to eat any tariff on 737 orders.

Boeing going to Govt. for support of their interests has become like a small businessman going to Mafia for protection.
They might give you "protection" but their interests and your interests do not align.
Current Government just want headlines to show the uncritical public they are big and tough and have power unlike the weak guys in the last Administration or the opposition.
You'll get enough dumb voters thinking the current regime are guarding their interests. If you are in the business of getting re-elected so that you can control the purse strings that is all you need. You don't need to produce positive results for the U.S. economy.

Last time I heard the UAW workers are on obscene packages so that is just protectionism and with the whole gamut of social protection measures across Europe it isn't exactly like the Europeans have a competitive labour or regulatory environment. They just make cars and planes and what not that people want to buy and are willing to pay a premium for them.

I think Boeing have learnt that running to Government for protection is the last thing they should be doing until the current Administration leaves office. They've had A220 driven in to the arms of Airbus, their European customers telling them that they'll be paying the tariff if it is introduced...a tariff that wasn't going to be introduced until U.S. introduced one. This administration is not their friend.

MIflyer12 wrote:

That statement reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of how tariffs work and are paid. Tariffs are paid by the importer. That might be Delta, if Delta buys directly from Airbus SE.

This is essentially punishing the US airlines instead of Airbus/EU. They are committed by contracts to buy them, now at higher cost but Airbus and EU don't get to foot the bill. Or does Delta get a rebate for the tariffed amount from Airbus?

Erebus wrote:

Or does Delta get a rebate for the tariffed amount from Airbus?

I imagine it would be fairly trivial for Airbus to apply additional discounts to services, parts and training if necessary.

leghorn wrote:

Last time I heard the UAW workers are on obscene packages so that is just protectionism and with the whole gamut of social protection measures across Europe it isn't exactly like the Europeans have a competitive labour or regulatory environment. They just make cars and planes and what not that people want to buy and are willing to pay a premium for them.

If European products are of high quality and the labour is expensive (which it is) and people still want to buy it and pay the associated premium for it then by definition that is a competitive product.

This will be a TOTAL Economic Disaster, like this kind of Tariffs had causes the Great Depression.

Subwayfan1998 wrote:

This will be a TOTAL Economic Disaster, like this kind of Tariffs had causes the Great Depression.

No it won't, there's no need to fear monger.

2 Dec 2019 - Reuters: WTO rejects EU bid to stop U.S. tariffs over Airbus

It's done - stick a fork in it. (Until the WTO rules on the EU counter-case, anyway.)

PARIS/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The World Trade Organization on Monday rejected European Union claims that it no longer provides subsidies to planemaker Airbus (AIR.PA), underscoring tariffs recently imposed by the United States on European goods.

A new compliance report from the Geneva trade watchdog found that the Airbus A380 and A350 jetliners continue to be subsidized as a result of past European government loans.

While the WTO no longer faulted Airbus for causing lost sales to Boeing with the A380, which is no longer marketed, it ruled that the superjumbo would cause market-share damage to Boeing for as long as it is produced and delivered.

Airbus plans to shut production in mid-2021.

The WTO appeared to strengthen findings against the A350, saying it had both cost sales and damaged Boeing’s market-share prospects - a process called impedance - in the busier twin-engined long-haul market where Boeing offers its 787 Dreamliner.

Good news.

MIflyer12 wrote:

2 Dec 2019 - Reuters: WTO rejects EU bid to stop U.S. tariffs over Airbus

It's done - stick a fork in it. (Until the WTO rules on the EU counter-case, anyway.)

PARIS/BRUSSELS (Reuters) - The World Trade Organization on Monday rejected European Union claims that it no longer provides subsidies to planemaker Airbus (AIR.PA), underscoring tariffs recently imposed by the United States on European goods.

A new compliance report from the Geneva trade watchdog found that the Airbus A380 and A350 jetliners continue to be subsidized as a result of past European government loans.

While the WTO no longer faulted Airbus for causing lost sales to Boeing with the A380, which is no longer marketed, it ruled that the superjumbo would cause market-share damage to Boeing for as long as it is produced and delivered.

Airbus plans to shut production in mid-2021.

The WTO appeared to strengthen findings against the A350, saying it had both cost sales and damaged Boeing’s market-share prospects - a process called impedance - in the busier twin-engined long-haul market where Boeing offers its 787 Dreamliner.

Will you post the link, I can't find it.