ArchGuy1 wrote:What exactly is it like running retread tires on front end loaders.
ArchGuy1 wrote:I do know that they are commonly used on 18 wheelers and other large trucks.
TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:What exactly is it like running retread tires on front end loaders.
As long as they were retreaded by a reputable company, it shouldn't be a problem. Aside from damage, two things destroy tires: Weathering from the outside and heat buildup in the tire carcass from the inside. Front end loaders rarely if ever travel fast enough to build up any heat in the carcasses of their tires, and a reputable retreader would never use an excessively weathered tire as a base.ArchGuy1 wrote:I do know that they are commonly used on 18 wheelers and other large trucks.
Never in a steering position, though. Traveling at highway speeds over long distances, truck tires can build up tremendous amounts of heat, especially if they or the tire next to them slightly are slightly under-inflated, hence the thousands if not millions of "road gators" (shed treads of retreaded truck tires) that litter the sides of highways across the US.
Aesma wrote:These things never travel on roads, at least here, I suspect it's even illegal, so the state of their tires doesn't matter that much, as long as they get traction in dirt/mud.
ArchGuy1 wrote:Are retreads on the steer axle of a front end loader fine.
ArchGuy1 wrote:Also, are they a good investment for construction companies.
Aesma wrote:These things never travel on roads, at least here, I suspect it's even illegal, so the state of their tires doesn't matter that much, as long as they get traction in dirt/mud.
ArchGuy1 wrote:What exactly is it like running retread tires on emergency vehicles like fire trucks and ambulances and I have read from a number of sources that it is rather common practice.
ArchGuy1 wrote:What is it like running retread tires on the steer axle of a delivery truck, such as a local UPS or FedEx truck, Postal Service truck, beer truck, or beverage truck. I do know that retreads are commonly used on local delivery trucks including on the steer axle, at least in the United States.
TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:What is it like running retread tires on the steer axle of a delivery truck, such as a local UPS or FedEx truck, Postal Service truck, beer truck, or beverage truck. I do know that retreads are commonly used on local delivery trucks including on the steer axle, at least in the United States.
The legality of using retreads on the steering axle of commercial vehicles smaller than semis may vary from state to state. Unless or until the retread came off the carcass of the tire, they'd be just like any other tires.
Bandag Tire is one of the largest and most respected retread companies in the world- https://www.bandag.com/en-us/index
ArchGuy1 wrote:TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:What is it like running retread tires on the steer axle of a delivery truck, such as a local UPS or FedEx truck, Postal Service truck, beer truck, or beverage truck. I do know that retreads are commonly used on local delivery trucks including on the steer axle, at least in the United States.
The legality of using retreads on the steering axle of commercial vehicles smaller than semis may vary from state to state. Unless or until the retread came off the carcass of the tire, they'd be just like any other tires.
Bandag Tire is one of the largest and most respected retread companies in the world- https://www.bandag.com/en-us/index
Retread Tires are legal on the steer axle of a semi truck and are only illegal on the steer axle of a bus.
TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:TSS wrote:
The legality of using retreads on the steering axle of commercial vehicles smaller than semis may vary from state to state. Unless or until the retread came off the carcass of the tire, they'd be just like any other tires.
Bandag Tire is one of the largest and most respected retread companies in the world- https://www.bandag.com/en-us/index
Retread Tires are legal on the steer axle of a semi truck and are only illegal on the steer axle of a bus.
Again, that may vary from state to state but I'm not going to debate you about it. What it comes down to is this: If you own a trucking or any other company, is it worth it to save a few bucks by using retreads on the steering axles of your trucks knowing that if an accident does happen because one of those steering axle mounted retreads came apart that the name and logo of your company will be splashed all over the news along with the headline "Cost-Cutting Measures At (your company) Led To Accident That Claimed XX Lives!!"?
TSS wrote:Bandag Tire is one of the largest and most respected retread companies in the world- https://www.bandag.com/en-us/index
WIederling wrote:TSS wrote:Bandag Tire is one of the largest and most respected retread companies in the world- https://www.bandag.com/en-us/index
If even that. And in the US only. ( Their website addresses the US and CANADA. nothing else.)
WIederling wrote:TSS wrote:Bandag Tire is one of the largest and most respected retread companies in the world- https://www.bandag.com/en-us/index
If even that. And in the US only. ( Their website addresses the US and CANADA. nothing else.)
TSS wrote:^ Too late for edit.WIederling wrote:TSS wrote:Bandag Tire is one of the largest and most respected retread companies in the world- https://www.bandag.com/en-us/index
If even that. And in the US only. ( Their website addresses the US and CANADA. nothing else.)
Bandag in Europe- https://www.bandag.eu/en/
ArchGuy1 wrote:What is it like to run retread tires on pickup trucks
ArchGuy1 wrote:and is it a common practice to do so.
BlueberryWheats wrote:In seriousness though, whenever I need new tires I order online and book in with whichever centre has the best rates, but I've never seen retread tires for sale, only new ones.
Is it not really a thing here in the UK? Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but I'd never really heard of retreads until Mr. Archguy1 joined this board.
TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:What exactly is it like running retread tires on front end loaders.
As long as they were retreaded by a reputable company, it shouldn't be a problem. Aside from damage, two things destroy tires: Weathering from the outside and heat buildup in the tire carcass from the inside. Front end loaders rarely if ever travel fast enough to build up any heat in the carcasses of their tires, and a reputable retreader would never use an excessively weathered tire as a base.ArchGuy1 wrote:I do know that they are commonly used on 18 wheelers and other large trucks.
Never in a steering position, though. Traveling at highway speeds over long distances, truck tires can build up tremendous amounts of heat, especially if they or the tire next to them slightly are slightly under-inflated, hence the thousands if not millions of "road gators" (shed treads of retreaded truck tires) that litter the sides of highways across the US.
Aesma wrote:My company owns lots of them as it's a big construction and public works company, it still rents a lot of them too, but I have really no ideas on the costs, I'm in IT. I know we're being hurt by the end of a tax exemption on "non road diesel" these things use. Might see electric models soon.
ArchGuy1 wrote:Aesma wrote:My company owns lots of them as it's a big construction and public works company, it still rents a lot of them too, but I have really no ideas on the costs, I'm in IT. I know we're being hurt by the end of a tax exemption on "non road diesel" these things use. Might see electric models soon.
Do they use retread tires on front end loaders?
TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:Aesma wrote:My company owns lots of them as it's a big construction and public works company, it still rents a lot of them too, but I have really no ideas on the costs, I'm in IT. I know we're being hurt by the end of a tax exemption on "non road diesel" these things use. Might see electric models soon.
Do they use retread tires on front end loaders?
Once again, please use a question mark ( ? ) at the end of sentences that are intended as questions and not as statements.
In order for there to be retreads available for anything, there have to be two things firmly in place:
1. A large number of used tires in a specific size with worn out tread that are otherwise in good shape with no dry rot/weather checking/UV damage from sun exposure.
2. Reasonable demand for that same specific tire size in the marketplace.
Each model of front end loader within a manufacturer's range tends to use it's own sizes of tires, so no one size is likely to be popular enough to justify the investment of making retread molds for that size, plus the tires on front end loaders or any construction equipment tend to succumb to the elements, specifically UV damage, long before the treads wear out so there are not likely to be many if any carcasses available in good enough shape to bother retreading anyway.
ArchGuy1 wrote:TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:
Do they use retread tires on front end loaders?
Once again, please use a question mark ( ? ) at the end of sentences that are intended as questions and not as statements.
In order for there to be retreads available for anything, there have to be two things firmly in place:
1. A large number of used tires in a specific size with worn out tread that are otherwise in good shape with no dry rot/weather checking/UV damage from sun exposure.
2. Reasonable demand for that same specific tire size in the marketplace.
Each model of front end loader within a manufacturer's range tends to use it's own sizes of tires, so no one size is likely to be popular enough to justify the investment of making retread molds for that size, plus the tires on front end loaders or any construction equipment tend to succumb to the elements, specifically UV damage, long before the treads wear out so there are not likely to be many if any carcasses available in good enough shape to bother retreading anyway.
What makes retreading the trailer tires and rear tractor drive tires on semi trucks economically viable?
TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:TSS wrote:
Once again, please use a question mark ( ? ) at the end of sentences that are intended as questions and not as statements.
In order for there to be retreads available for anything, there have to be two things firmly in place:
1. A large number of used tires in a specific size with worn out tread that are otherwise in good shape with no dry rot/weather checking/UV damage from sun exposure.
2. Reasonable demand for that same specific tire size in the marketplace.
Each model of front end loader within a manufacturer's range tends to use it's own sizes of tires, so no one size is likely to be popular enough to justify the investment of making retread molds for that size, plus the tires on front end loaders or any construction equipment tend to succumb to the elements, specifically UV damage, long before the treads wear out so there are not likely to be many if any carcasses available in good enough shape to bother retreading anyway.
What makes retreading the trailer tires and rear tractor drive tires on semi trucks economically viable?
Until quite recently the overwhelming majority of them were one size: 11R24.5 (semi trucks and trailers), with 10R22.5 or 11R22.5 (local delivery trucks) in second place. In metric sizing, 11R24.5 would work out to 279/82R24.5. With the newer metric-sized truck tires there seems to be a wider variety of sizes in use.
BlueberryWheats wrote:Maybe about as common as there are retread threads on a.net.
In seriousness though, whenever I need new tires I order online and book in with whichever centre has the best rates, but I've never seen retread tires for sale, only new ones.
Is it not really a thing here in the UK? Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but I'd never really heard of retreads until Mr. Archguy1 joined this board.
Bongodog49 wrote:BlueberryWheats wrote:Maybe about as common as there are retread threads on a.net.
In seriousness though, whenever I need new tires I order online and book in with whichever centre has the best rates, but I've never seen retread tires for sale, only new ones.
Is it not really a thing here in the UK? Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but I'd never really heard of retreads until Mr. Archguy1 joined this board.
It used to be a regular thing here in the UK, standard schoolboy joke about a new pair of shoes in the 1970's "are they firsts or remoulds" we all knew about remoulded tyres as they were a common thing on cars at that time. When I started driving in the early 80's good value new radial tyres were appearing on the market and remoulds were nearly as expensive, so no one wanted them any more.
Most aircraft tyres are remoulded as are many truck and bus tyres, they of course are much more expensive and the saving is worth having.
2 villages away from me used to be a company that made remoulding machinery, over the years they have shrunk from a big manufacturing plant down to just a small unit, mainly due to the demmise of remoulding car tyres in the UK
TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:TSS wrote:
Once again, please use a question mark ( ? ) at the end of sentences that are intended as questions and not as statements.
In order for there to be retreads available for anything, there have to be two things firmly in place:
1. A large number of used tires in a specific size with worn out tread that are otherwise in good shape with no dry rot/weather checking/UV damage from sun exposure.
2. Reasonable demand for that same specific tire size in the marketplace.
Each model of front end loader within a manufacturer's range tends to use it's own sizes of tires, so no one size is likely to be popular enough to justify the investment of making retread molds for that size, plus the tires on front end loaders or any construction equipment tend to succumb to the elements, specifically UV damage, long before the treads wear out so there are not likely to be many if any carcasses available in good enough shape to bother retreading anyway.
What makes retreading the trailer tires and rear tractor drive tires on semi trucks economically viable?
Until quite recently the overwhelming majority of them were one size: 11R24.5 (semi trucks and trailers), with 10R22.5 or 11R22.5 (local delivery trucks) in second place. In metric sizing, 11R24.5 would work out to 279/82R24.5. With the newer metric-sized truck tires there seems to be a wider variety of sizes in use.
ArchGuy1 wrote:TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:What makes retreading the trailer tires and rear tractor drive tires on semi trucks economically viable?
Until quite recently the overwhelming majority of them were one size: 11R24.5 (semi trucks and trailers), with 10R22.5 or 11R22.5 (local delivery trucks) in second place. In metric sizing, 11R24.5 would work out to 279/82R24.5. With the newer metric-sized truck tires there seems to be a wider variety of sizes in use.
Retread tires are commonly used on all axles, including steers of local delivery trucks and waste hauling trucks as evidenced in this article. They tend to follow strict rules for such use.
https://www.fleetequipmentmag.com/speci ... xle-tires/
ArchGuy1 wrote:Here is an article that taks about why it would be beneficial for retread tires to be used on school buses. It costs half as much as new tires, would save a lot of taxpayer money, and the school buses carry light loads on easy roads. Also, the tires are generally replaced every 2 years and retreads would be beneficial on the budgets of school districts by possibly making it every 6 years that the tires are replaced. The only regulation regarding retreads on buses, is that they are prohibited on the steer axle of any bus under FMCSA regulations. So, retreads are considered by many to be a win win situation for use on school buses and those vehicles are considered a perfect fit for such use.
https://www.tirerecappers.com/tire-reca ... ead-tires/
TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:Here is an article that taks about why it would be beneficial for retread tires to be used on school buses. It costs half as much as new tires, would save a lot of taxpayer money, and the school buses carry light loads on easy roads. Also, the tires are generally replaced every 2 years and retreads would be beneficial on the budgets of school districts by possibly making it every 6 years that the tires are replaced. The only regulation regarding retreads on buses, is that they are prohibited on the steer axle of any bus under FMCSA regulations. So, retreads are considered by many to be a win win situation for use on school buses and those vehicles are considered a perfect fit for such use.
https://www.tirerecappers.com/tire-reca ... ead-tires/
I think with that article one should seriously consider the obvious bias of the source- Tire Recapper's News, on the website tirerecappers.com. Of course they're going to say that retread tires are great for school buses and everything else because they're trying to promote their own product.
TSS wrote:ArchGuy1 wrote:Here is an article that taks about why it would be beneficial for retread tires to be used on school buses. It costs half as much as new tires, would save a lot of taxpayer money, and the school buses carry light loads on easy roads. Also, the tires are generally replaced every 2 years and retreads would be beneficial on the budgets of school districts by possibly making it every 6 years that the tires are replaced. The only regulation regarding retreads on buses, is that they are prohibited on the steer axle of any bus under FMCSA regulations. So, retreads are considered by many to be a win win situation for use on school buses and those vehicles are considered a perfect fit for such use.
https://www.tirerecappers.com/tire-reca ... ead-tires/
I think with that article one should seriously consider the obvious bias of the source- Tire Recapper's News, on the website tirerecappers.com. Of course they're going to say that retread tires are great for school buses and everything else because they're trying to promote their own product.
ArchGuy1 wrote:Here is an article that debunks the myths on retread tires and talks about the fact that they are used on commercial trucks, off road jeeps, and even fire trucks and ambulances. I'm the case of fire trucks and ambulances, they are likely not seen on the steer axle though.
https://www.treadwright.com/blogs/tread ... es-exposed