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US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights operated by Mahan Air

Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:30 pm

Mike Pompeo while recently in Italy asked Italian officials to ban Mahan Air's flight's to Italy. Article is in Farsi.

https://www.bbc.com/persian/49914277
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:43 am

The title should be revised to mention W5 specifically, as they are supposedly controlled by a designated foreign terrorist organization, the IRGC, and have been carrying contraband between countries like Syria and Venezuela.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:16 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
The title should be revised to mention W5 specifically, as they are supposedly controlled by a designated foreign terrorist organization, the IRGC, and have been carrying contraband between countries like Syria and Venezuela.


Then why target Italy specifically? Mahan flies to tons of places. Just because the US starts labeling whatever it wants doesn't make it true.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:36 am

Stay out of everyone else's business, if Italy wants to ban them they can do it on their own accord, but obviously they won't as fighting with Iran is a waste of money and pointless
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:00 am

Hope the Italians tell the American government to take a hike.


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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:07 am

sonicruiser wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
The title should be revised to mention W5 specifically, as they are supposedly controlled by a designated foreign terrorist organization, the IRGC, and have been carrying contraband between countries like Syria and Venezuela.


Then why target Italy specifically? Mahan flies to tons of places. Just because the US starts labeling whatever it wants doesn't make it true.

Not many of those destinations are also in countries that are US allies?
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:27 am

c933103 wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
The title should be revised to mention W5 specifically, as they are supposedly controlled by a designated foreign terrorist organization, the IRGC, and have been carrying contraband between countries like Syria and Venezuela.


Then why target Italy specifically? Mahan flies to tons of places. Just because the US starts labeling whatever it wants doesn't make it true.

Not many of those destinations are also in countries that are US allies?


I would consider Greece and Spain so.
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:16 am

It would appear that the State Department has made its case. They can request this action, but it is up to the Italians as to whether or not they wish to comply.
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:00 am

I don't see the problem here. The State Department has simply asked Italy to stop flights from an airline that has some sort of ties to a terrorist organization.

Nothing says that Italy has to actually do it
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:16 am

I doubt Italy has legal ground to ban W5, since it does not recognize Iran's armed forces as "terrorist".
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:45 am

Highly doubt this will happen. Italy was one of the first countries to expand its economic ties with Iran after the nuclear agreement back in 2015. Of course, Pompeo can ask, it's his right, but at the same time others can and most likely will ignore his requests.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:00 am

maps4ltd wrote:
At least it's not Mahan's CCS-Tehran route. The Commie Express, no?

Yeah...you might want to do a little more research into this topic.
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:43 am

sonicruiser wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
The title should be revised to mention W5 specifically, as they are supposedly controlled by a designated foreign terrorist organization, the IRGC, and have been carrying contraband between countries like Syria and Venezuela.


Then why target Italy specifically? Mahan flies to tons of places. Just because the US starts labeling whatever it wants doesn't make it true.


:checkmark: This.

Thanks for bringing a grain of [international] perspective to this sad, ingrown, petty, US-centric mentality that is afflicting this forum.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:45 am

Well Italy wouldn't be the first country to ban Mahan after US pressure. Have a look what France and Germany did after the US asked them to ban "terrorist" Mahan.

Meanwhile the situation for the ordinary Iranian gets worse and worse day by day thanks to needless sanctions.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:06 am

SkyVoice wrote:
It would appear that the State Department has made its case. They can request this action, but it is up to the Italians as to whether or not they wish to comply.


I'd guess this request was embedded in some "we know where your kids go to school" or similar sparsely cloaked threat.
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:49 am

Keep your posts on topic, aviation related and keep political flamebait out of the discussion otherwise the thread will be locked
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:59 am

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Keep your posts on topic, aviation related and keep political flamebait out of the discussion otherwise the thread will be locked


Then move the thread to non-av because the request from the US to Italy is not motivated by anything other than politics. It's got nothing to do with aviation.
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:57 am

terefere wrote:
I doubt Italy has legal ground to ban W5, since it does not recognize Iran's armed forces as "terrorist".


France and Germany did before...causing cancellation of MUC, DUS, and CDG.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:14 am

no mention on italian newspapers headlines... they are all crazy about u.s. cheese and cured ham import taxes, like cheese's the only thing we export to the u.s.
many italian companies have business in Iran - I was there twice for business in the last three years, for example
but it's same story as always - u.s. being u.s., bully of the world
and a country that let himself being bullied is an ally, all the others are just enemies...
but this isn't the right place to discuss about u.s. foreign politics.
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights operated by Mahan Air

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:43 pm

I have always thought America should ban airlines flying to Iran to fly to the US.

That would be fair.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights operated by Mahan Air

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:48 pm

We attempted to keep this topic about aviation, but clearly too many users are determined to discuss politics. The thread will be moved to Non Aviation.

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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights operated by Mahan Air

Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:50 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
I have always thought America should ban airlines flying to Iran to fly to the US.

That would be fair.


Why? That would do nothing but alienate allies since most of them (rightfully IMO) disagree with the US's hard line on Iran.
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights operated by Mahan Air

Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:38 pm

Let us not forget that the USA government strongly believes that Iran's government supports anti-Israel groups and the USA has a special relationship with Israel so that means we need to help protect them from their enemies.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights operated by Mahan Air

Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:38 pm

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We attempted to keep this topic about aviation, but clearly too many users are determined to discuss politics. The thread will be moved to Non Aviation.

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I'm really not sure how its possible to discuss this without mentioning politics? Rather unfair to criticise forum members in this case. There's not really an aviation angle to be discussed.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights operated by Mahan Air

Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:24 pm

Planetalk wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
We attempted to keep this topic about aviation, but clearly too many users are determined to discuss politics. The thread will be moved to Non Aviation.

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I'm really not sure how its possible to discuss this without mentioning politics? Rather unfair to criticise forum members in this case. There's not really an aviation angle to be discussed.

Mentioning the political angles of the topic is fine, but too many posts were 100% politics while completely ignoring the aviation aspect of the discussion. If there wasn't an aviation angle to be discussed, then the topic should not have been created in an aviation forum. If users create a topic in an aviation forum, then we will enforce the rules regarding political discussion accordingly. This isn't something we want to do — it creates a ton of work for us — but this is an aviation site, and most users don't want to see purely political discussions taking place in the aviation forums.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:22 pm

chepos wrote:
Hope the Italians tell the American government to take a hike.


Agree - it’s not American business which airlines and from where fly to Italy.
 
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Re: US wants to ban Iran-Italy flights

Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:12 pm

SierraPacific wrote:
I don't see the problem here. The State Department has simply asked Italy to stop flights from an airline that has some sort of ties to a terrorist organization.

Nothing says that Italy has to actually do it


Exactly, also people blaming on Trump even though i despise Trump and his policy especially pulling out from the Nuclear Deal with Iran,. Also even if a Democrat was a President, US Will ban Iran-Italy Flights.
 

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