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The Houston Rockets, NBA, and China

Mon Oct 07, 2019 7:10 am

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/277 ... s-gm-tweet

This is all developing quickly, with articles being updated and edited frequently, but here's the gist:

Rockets GM Daryl Morey sent a simple Tweet supporting Hong Kong freedom while the team was in the middle of a Japan tour. Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta quickly rebuked Morey's Tweet stating they are not a political organization and are proud of their relationship with China, etc. Morey deleted the original Tweet, and the NBA jumped in with a statement
basically supporting their relationship with China. Meanwhile, the Chinese basketball authority is doing Chinese things, threatening to cut ties (why the NBA and Fertitta were freaking out) because one China means one China.

The Rockets are one of the most popular teams in China thanks to their previous employment of Yao Ming last decade. Rumors are abound that Morey might lose his job over this, but no official action taken yet. Public reaction is basically anyone who isn't an NBA team owner or league executive supports Morey and what he said, while those higher ups are going apeshit over the potential loss of the Chinese market.

Amazingly, before Morey's Tweet stirred the pot, this past Wednesday, "South Park," did an entire episode lampooning American businesses selling out ideals for the Chinese market, earning "Foreshadow of the Year" honors.

Thoughts on the matter?
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 9:01 am

China will freak out where China freaks out. The GM is not going to get fired. If he does, Then the NBA should kick Yao Ming out of the Hall of fame.
The political response which was not echoed by the owner was rescinded and apologized for, and is an NBA team you should not be opining on political issues with vital partners.

This should all calm down in the coming days. If it does not calm down, then their will be some issues the NBA needs to work through in respect to the first amendment, and China's lack of freedom of speech.
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 10:35 am

The desire of the PRC government to speed up by about 30 years the full return of Hong Kong as part of it has a long history behind it. They want an end to any vestiges of foreign colonial control as it is seen as a continuing insult to their nation and any opposition to it from the West, like the NBA team owner's expression of HK's freedoms is seen as a continuation of attempts to keep some vestige of Western control over China.

For the NBA, it is strictly about money and business. The League and other owners don't want to upset the possibility of making even more money than they need doing business in China so they need to quash any challenges or what would be seen as insults to the leaders of China. Of course the NBA, owners and players have no concerns about making millions on shoes, usually made in China and other authoritarian countries where the workers who make them get paid poverty wages and exposed to dangerous glue and other chemicals. I don't see them fighting for those workers.
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 11:56 am

It'll definitely be interesting to see.

If they seriously fired Morey over this, they might just go ahead and move the whole joke of a league over to China.

Knowing NBA (and especially the Rockets, thanks to Yao), they'll kowtow just b/c of the amount of money being made in China. Very typical of American business caring more about those soon to be worthless RMB than actual moral (Hack, if American business have moral, they would have stop investing in PRC, pull all the money out, and sanction China for their gross human rights abuse that had been going on for years).
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Mon Oct 07, 2019 4:33 pm

I've never had any interest in basketball but I've suddenly become a Houston Rockets fan.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 4:17 am

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China will freak out where China freaks out. The GM is not going to get fired. If he does, Then the NBA should kick Yao Ming out of the Hall of fame.
The political response which was not echoed by the owner was rescinded and apologized for, and is an NBA team you should not be opining on political issues with vital partners.

This should all calm down in the coming days. If it does not calm down, then their will be some issues the NBA needs to work through in respect to the first amendment, and China's lack of freedom of speech.


For starters, I don't think the NBA has any control over the Pro Basketball Hall of Fame - it's a separate entity that has its own criteria for induction, so I doubt Yao would be expelled over this. Also not a good reaction, there's better ways to get vengeance on Yao.

Also worth noting, Tilman Fertitta makes occasional appearances on cable news stations to spout pro Trump dogma and profess how much he hates socialism, and yet he's concerned about the Rockets aren't a political organization? Douchenozzle can't have it both ways. His appearances on cable news are far more influential and representative of the team than this simple tweet by Morey. Just more garbage Republican hypocrisy.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:56 am

LittleFokker wrote:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27780777/china-suspends-work-rockets-gm-tweet

Amazingly, before Morey's Tweet stirred the pot, this past Wednesday, "South Park," did an entire episode lampooning American businesses selling out ideals for the Chinese market, earning "Foreshadow of the Year" honors.

Thoughts on the matter?


I'm waiting to see where ESPN show hosts, if any, come down on this matter with commentary, which is more than just reporting who said what....

Like when Dan Le Batard went on a 5 minute monologue about the NFL on his show that was enough for the Washington Post to write about it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... ning-rant/

"Le Batard was summoned to New York to meet with network president Jimmy Pitaro, who since taking over in March 2018 has said ESPN’s viewers do not want the network to cover political issues that do not intersect with sports."

Well, obviously this Rockets/China/Hong Kong story does intersect with sports.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 12:03 pm

https://www.nba.com/article/2019/10/08/ ... -china-nba

So Adam Silver is trying to play both side basically, after a bipartisan (like that ever happen anymore nowaday) backlash, by saying they support "freedom of expression".

Meanwhile, CCTV are not broadcasting the upcoming NBA China games, and more or less stop broadcasting any games involving the Rockets:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/08/media/nb ... index.html

We'll see how many so-call "patriotic" Chinese love their country over their love of basketball (at least once you leave Weibo...that echo chamber doesn't count). Well, they can always watch the CBA, I guess.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 2:50 pm

It's quite disappointing to see how few people actually have the balls to speak out on this matter. Freedoms of speech and expression were hard fought for by most of our ancestors, yet most people who have an opinion on the matter let themselves be silenced by an insecure government in a country far away. The more that people let China silence them, the more aggressive China will be at trying to silence criticism abroad.


South Park tweeted this today, which is very refreshing:


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And the fact that any world leader has the time and energy to throw a tantrum over images like these is just pathetic.

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Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:45 pm

A total lack of cultural sensitivity. If the NBA wants to play ball and do business with China, it better learn how to walk and talk mindful of the broader global picture and implications of its actions.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 9:58 pm

This episode is a wake-up call to the clout granted by China’s economy being so much larger than 10 or 15 years ago. POTUS will not opine on HK, and corporate interests like NBA and Disney need to be politically sensitive to protect burgeoning market share. It sucks but so long as money talks it’ll only get worse.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 10:02 pm

I'm with the NBA and the Rockets on this one, but this whole ordeal shows how much things have changed in the last couple of decades. In the 1990s no one in China would have cared about what an NBA exec had to say about anything. Regardless, glad to see that dollars and cents haven't yet trumped American ideals.
 
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:11 pm

I find it hilarious that NBA types like Kerr who slag Trump every chance he gets all of sudden when it comes to supporting Democracy in China run for the hills. What a coward.
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Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:17 pm

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I find it hilarious that NBA types like Kerr who slag Trump every chance he gets all of sudden when it comes to supporting Democracy in China run for the hills. What a coward.

Coward? Like you?

Or is your name and identity publicly known and fully connected to all statements you make?

Anonymous interaction is very similar to "coward". Yes me included, I don't want everyone knowing more about me than I know about them.

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Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:54 am

The NBA should tell China to butt out.
Same applies to the rest of the world. It’s time the world stood up to China’s bullying - which is exactly what it is doing.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:55 am

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Coward? Like you?

Or is your name and identity publicly known and fully connected to all statements you make?

Anonymous interaction is very similar to "coward". Yes me included, I don't want everyone knowing more about me than I know about them.

Tugg


Seems you're the coward.

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Wed Oct 09, 2019 5:05 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Coward? Like you?

Or is your name and identity publicly known and fully connected to all statements you make?

Anonymous interaction is very similar to "coward". Yes me included, I don't want everyone knowing more about me than I know about them.

Tugg


Seems you're the coward.

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Your turn

"Seems"? Uh yeah, Did you miss the part where I said: "Yes me included, I don't want everyone knowing more about me than I know about them."
I'm pretty clear so no turn needed.

As to you, thanks, but I still don't see you publishing bombastic things that China will be offended by and retaliate. Please start tweeting to them about things you think Kerr should be doing,. It'll take a while though probably to build to his level of public identity.

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Wed Oct 09, 2019 6:21 am

Zkpilot wrote:
The NBA should tell China to butt out.
Same applies to the rest of the world. It’s time the world stood up to China’s bullying - which is exactly what it is doing.

:checkmark: The more that people and organisations bend to China's will, the larger China's ego will grow and the more intolerant China will be of anyone who dares not to toe the line.
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:14 pm

Morey is on the right side of history, the NBA be damned.

The NBA, Blizzard, ESPN, and several others have all capitulated to China's demands to chase the almighty buck.
 
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Wed Oct 09, 2019 1:18 pm

zkojq wrote:
The more that people and organisations bend to China's will, the larger China's ego will grow and the more intolerant China will be of anyone who dares not to toe the line.


Yep. Now is the time to take a stand.

Hong Kong today, Taiwan tomorrow (Actually already going on), US in the future. No more kowtow, no more white terror, no more self-censorship! And yes, that apply to the overzealous PC culture in US also.

P.S. While we're on this topic, Blizzard Entertainment is also under fire right now over the same kowtowing:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/09/worl ... -kong.html

Vans (the shoe brand) did similar thing a few days earlier:
https://www.scmp.com/lifestyle/fashion- ... est-themed

Oh well, thank PRC for showing its true color and help further advertise HKers' cause.

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Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:04 am

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The desire of the PRC government to speed up by about 30 years the full return of Hong Kong as part of it has a long history behind it. They want an end to any vestiges of foreign colonial control as it is seen as a continuing insult to their nation and any opposition to it from the West, like the NBA team owner's expression of HK's freedoms is seen as a continuation of attempts to keep some vestige of Western control over China.

The weird part of it is that it is the Chi-com side (oops, the Glorious People's Republic side) that is changing the nature of the relationship, yet acting offended when people are unhappy with the change.

One would thing things were working out pretty well, with HK a nice place to park some of the more tawdry aspects of capitalist behavior yet with the mainland able to shape things as time moved forward.

Guess they could not just leave well enough alone?

Or maybe the mainland side is now tawdry enough on its own so HK no longer serves a distinct role?
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 3:57 am

slider wrote:
Morey is on the right side of history, the NBA be damned.

The NBA, Blizzard, ESPN, and several others have all capitulated to China's demands to chase the almighty buck.


Oh there's a lot of that - like in the White House, not saying a peep about HK to enable reaching a 'deal', and Golden Boy Kushner giving Westinghouse nuclear reactors to the Saudis in exchange for helping with his family's 666 Fifth Avenue debts. Meanwhile they continue to fund Islamist schools now and forever with total impunity. Who needs values when $$$ trumps all?
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:04 am

Aaron747 wrote:
slider wrote:
Morey is on the right side of history, the NBA be damned.

The NBA, Blizzard, ESPN, and several others have all capitulated to China's demands to chase the almighty buck.


Oh there's a lot of that - like in the White House, not saying a peep about HK to enable reaching a 'deal', and Golden Boy Kushner giving Westinghouse nuclear reactors to the Saudis in exchange for helping with his family's 666 Fifth Avenue debts. Meanwhile they continue to fund Islamist schools now and forever with total impunity. Who needs values when $$$ trumps all?


Apple just gave in as well and removed HKmap.live ...

Of course they do, they are the only ones still despicable enough to make Smartphones in the PRC....

The trade deficit with China is easily solved: Stop buying stuff Made in the PRC. Darn easy.

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Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:11 am

tommy1808 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
slider wrote:
Morey is on the right side of history, the NBA be damned.

The NBA, Blizzard, ESPN, and several others have all capitulated to China's demands to chase the almighty buck.


Oh there's a lot of that - like in the White House, not saying a peep about HK to enable reaching a 'deal', and Golden Boy Kushner giving Westinghouse nuclear reactors to the Saudis in exchange for helping with his family's 666 Fifth Avenue debts. Meanwhile they continue to fund Islamist schools now and forever with total impunity. Who needs values when $$$ trumps all?


Apple just gave in as well and removed HKmap.live ...

Of course they do, they are the only ones still despicable enough to make Smartphones in the PRC....

The trade deficit with China is easily solved: Stop buying stuff Made in the PRC. Darn easy.

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Oh yeah, it’s terrible. I know a Japanese investor who is partnered with a holding company in the US that is trying to import Japanese smartphone and tablet displays for production in Texas. Want to guess how many times his investor visa approval has been delayed over the last year? He was supposed to move to the US to get this stuff going last winter and is still waiting. Disgusting...
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Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:11 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
Apple just gave in as well and removed HKmap.live ...


Blah...it's Apple, the home of self-censorship behind their stupid App Store wall for years.

Another reason why Android is better :).

Back on topic - all these "boycott"? Removing mentions of the NBA game? Well, that resulted in a sold-out crowd in Shanghai tonight. The typical Chinese "patriot" that cry about everything but then turn around and buy American brands (That are, well, Made in China), watch American movies, go to American university to study, migrate to USA if they can.

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Thu Oct 10, 2019 1:10 pm

Another picture of the game:
https://www.facebook.com/now.comFinance ... =3&theater

Yep...boycott? Country over Basketball?

On the flip side, the Social Credit Score of those people in the game probably just got decreased by now :(.
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:03 pm

zkojq wrote:
It's quite disappointing to see how few people actually have the balls to speak out on this matter. Freedoms of speech and expression were hard fought for by most of our ancestors, yet most people who have an opinion on the matter let themselves be silenced by an insecure government in a country far away. The more that people let China silence them, the more aggressive China will be at trying to silence criticism abroad.


South Park tweeted this today, which is very refreshing:


Image

And the fact that any world leader has the time and energy to throw a tantrum over images like these is just pathetic.

Image

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They put this us because of an episode aired Oct 2nd called "Band in China".
Essentially the entire episode satirizes how Hollywood and other business have to appease the Chinese sensors to do business there, and the snowflakes in Beijing banned the show. Because Trey Parker and Matt Stone don't give a crap it was quite the amusing episode.
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:09 pm

DIRECTFLT wrote:
LittleFokker wrote:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/27780777/china-suspends-work-rockets-gm-tweet

Amazingly, before Morey's Tweet stirred the pot, this past Wednesday, "South Park," did an entire episode lampooning American businesses selling out ideals for the Chinese market, earning "Foreshadow of the Year" honors.

Thoughts on the matter?


I'm waiting to see where ESPN show hosts, if any, come down on this matter with commentary, which is more than just reporting who said what....

Like when Dan Le Batard went on a 5 minute monologue about the NFL on his show that was enough for the Washington Post to write about it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2 ... ning-rant/

"Le Batard was summoned to New York to meet with network president Jimmy Pitaro, who since taking over in March 2018 has said ESPN’s viewers do not want the network to cover political issues that do not intersect with sports."

Well, obviously this Rockets/China/Hong Kong story does intersect with sports.


Le Batard was summoned over ripping up the no politics policy when Trump had the "Send them Back" rally in July saying it was un-american. It was personal to him because his parents came from Cuba and America took them in and they have built a great life in the US.
I don't recall him getting in trouble for that commentary which was regarding Andrew Luck's retirement.

ESPN has to play a fine line here as there are competitors in the sports arena and guys like Le Batard, Wilbon and Kornheisher don't like to be censored. They could easily move to other networks and basically have the same shows. It would be a huge blow for ESPN to lose both Highly Questionable and PTI.
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Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:03 pm

Funny that the 'shut up and dribble crowd' suddenly changed their minds about politics and sports. Maybe they'd stick to their guns if it was Saudi Arabia instead of China.
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Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:42 pm

Zedd has been banned from China for liking a South Park tweet.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/12/dj-zedd ... tweet.html
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:59 pm

https://sports.yahoo.com/le-bron-james- ... 02165.html

So LBJ basically decided that earning RMB is more important than speaking out on Freedom of Speech in general.

Well, as an American, LBJ can speak his mind, and most likely, he wouldn't lose endorsement/advertising revenue over this anyway. It just makes him a hypocrite more than anything.
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:14 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
https://sports.yahoo.com/le-bron-james-criticizes-daryl-moreys-misinformed-tweet-toes-nba-line-on-china-controversy-032902165.html

So LBJ basically decided that earning RMB is more important than speaking out on Freedom of Speech in general.

Well, as an American, LBJ can speak his mind, and most likely, he wouldn't lose endorsement/advertising revenue over this anyway. It just makes him a hypocrite more than anything.


And the ironic thing is that he called someone uneducated for criticizing China. As I read somewhere, "LeBron James is in love with the Communist Party and he didn't even same a U.S. college, just imagine if he did."
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:29 pm

Pyrex wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
https://sports.yahoo.com/le-bron-james-criticizes-daryl-moreys-misinformed-tweet-toes-nba-line-on-china-controversy-032902165.html

So LBJ basically decided that earning RMB is more important than speaking out on Freedom of Speech in general.

Well, as an American, LBJ can speak his mind, and most likely, he wouldn't lose endorsement/advertising revenue over this anyway. It just makes him a hypocrite more than anything.


And the ironic thing is that he called someone uneducated for criticizing China. As I read somewhere, "LeBron James is in love with the Communist Party and he didn't even same a U.S. college, just imagine if he did."


It is ironic to see a multimillionaire defend communists because he is afraid of losing money.
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:43 pm

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It is ironic to see a multimillionaire defend communists because he is afraid of losing money.


Oh well...it has always be "me, me, me" when it comes to LBJ anyway. But yes, you even have regular joe mainland Chinese knowing better than to keep money in China, yet LBJ is afraid of losing a few bucks?

On the flip side, too bad US businesses won't drop LBJ just b/c there are more money to be made with him than without. Talk about losing money if US businesses actually have any backbone.

BTW - if anyone is misinformed it's LBJ. It's China, he seriously think those loudest mouths on Weibo mean anything? They mean as much as your American loudmouths on Twitter anyway - in another word, a bunch of wannabe thinking they're all that important, but in reality, they're not.

And oh, all these talks about NBA losing businesses? Sohu (IIRC) is back to airing preseason game. Mainland China and boycott? Yeah...right...they certainly ain't South Koreans (especially) or Japanese when it comes to "boycotting".

As HKers tend to joke about the mainland Chinese netizens - "Their mouth always say 'no', but their action (body) is very honest" (I wouldn't go into the origin of the phrase since it's NSFW...). But the bottom line is, action is always louder than words, and mainland Chinese netizens are more known for their empty talks.
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Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:59 pm

StarAC17 wrote:
zkojq wrote:
It's quite disappointing to see how few people actually have the balls to speak out on this matter. Freedoms of speech and expression were hard fought for by most of our ancestors, yet most people who have an opinion on the matter let themselves be silenced by an insecure government in a country far away. The more that people let China silence them, the more aggressive China will be at trying to silence criticism abroad.


South Park tweeted this today, which is very refreshing:


Image

And the fact that any world leader has the time and energy to throw a tantrum over images like these is just pathetic.

Image

Image


They put this us because of an episode aired Oct 2nd called "Band in China".
Essentially the entire episode satirizes how Hollywood and other business have to appease the Chinese sensors to do business there, and the snowflakes in Beijing banned the show. Because Trey Parker and Matt Stone don't give a crap it was quite the amusing episode.


The biggest joke is that China wants to be the prime superpower, but cannot take any form of criticism, apparently. Looks like China is instead becoming more like an Orwellian Banana-republic.
 
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The biggest joke is that China wants to be the prime superpower, but cannot take any form of criticism, apparently. Looks like China is instead becoming more like an Orwellian Banana-republic.


Getting off topic, but the more dangerous part to me is not even China becoming an Orwellian Banana-Republic (B/c we all know it is...), but rather, there are so many Americans that criticized China on one hand, but then trying to turn USA into the next China where any oppositions be damned.

You got IQ45 (and his followers aka Trumptards) who can take zero criticism, attack any opposition as "fake news"/"deep state"/whatever
You got the libtards/SJW who want to create a 100% PC culture, meanwhile filtering out anything that's "bad" for whatever groups out there.

If anything, the whole reason why I find LBJ to be such a hypocrite is that he's a SJW-wannabe, but when it comes to outright human right abuses (Concentration camps in Xinjiang IS real), he's like "nah, don't stop me from earning more RMB".

Hack, even his "African bros" are not exactly treated all that well in PRC. Hack, Chinese won't even hide their racism when it comes to darker-skin people.
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Re: The Houston Rockets, NBA, and China

Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:36 pm

https://sports.yahoo.com/adam-silver-ch ... 43067.html

Gotta love the same country that always cried about “foreign meddling” trying to meddle in other people’s affair.
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Re: The Houston Rockets, NBA, and China

Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:56 am

zkojq wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
The NBA should tell China to butt out.
Same applies to the rest of the world. It’s time the world stood up to China’s bullying - which is exactly what it is doing.

:checkmark: The more that people and organisations bend to China's will, the larger China's ego will grow and the more intolerant China will be of anyone who dares not to toe the line.

This is exactly the issue with China. Corporations see a giant middle class and great opportunities in China, and short term this has helped them, but on the other hand they have given China more power, and before they know it it will bite them in the rear, and they will lose everything.

In my opinion this is one of the biggest foreign policy challenges going forward, regardless of who is in office. And its not being talked about at all on the campaign trail.

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