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Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Tue Oct 08, 2019 3:31 am

It seems like that the City of Long Beach is threatening to terminate the Queen Mary's lease by Urban Commons over maintenance issued including insufficient repair progress. Has happened before since the ship opened in Long Beach in 1971 with previous operators including Marriott, Hyatt, and Disney.
https://www.presstelegram.com/2019/10/0 ... -progress/
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:48 am

Allegedly, the ship needs over $300M in repairs. IMO, given LB’s continued regentrification - including the possibility of luring the Angeles from Anaheim - they should just scrap the Queen Mary and put the money to better use.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:35 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
Allegedly, the ship needs over $300M in repairs. IMO, given LB’s continued regentrification - including the possibility of luring the Angeles from Anaheim - they should just scrap the Queen Mary and put the money to better use.

It would be illegal to scrap the Queen Mary as it is on the National Register of Historic Places. Also, the Queen Mary is the iconic symbol of Long Beach in the same way the Space Needle is for Seattle or the Empire State Building is for New York.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:48 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
Allegedly, the ship needs over $300M in repairs. IMO, given LB’s continued regentrification - including the possibility of luring the Angeles from Anaheim - they should just scrap the Queen Mary and put the money to better use.

It would be illegal to scrap the Queen Mary as it is on the National Register of Historic Places. Also, the Queen Mary is the iconic symbol of Long Beach in the same way the Space Needle is for Seattle or the Empire State Building is for New York.


The Queen Mary doesn’t receive federal funds, therefore it wouldn’t be illegal to scrap it:
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalregister/faqs.htm

Many community leaders have desired to scrap it for over 30 years, as it’s generally been a dumpster fire. The LA Times editorial board proposed such just A few years ago, calling the $300M renovation cost wasteful.

Nor is the Queen Mary as iconic as the Empire State Building. I’d imagine that the population, including that of the Southland region, who knows that the Queen Mary is docked at Long Beach is pretty small. Even the ones that do, myself included, don’t associate LB with the Queen. Heck, LB is a much different place today that it was in the 80s,90s,and 00s.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:34 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
Allegedly, the ship needs over $300M in repairs. IMO, given LB’s continued regentrification - including the possibility of luring the Angeles from Anaheim - they should just scrap the Queen Mary and put the money to better use.

It would be illegal to scrap the Queen Mary as it is on the National Register of Historic Places. Also, the Queen Mary is the iconic symbol of Long Beach in the same way the Space Needle is for Seattle or the Empire State Building is for New York.


The Queen Mary doesn’t receive federal funds, therefore it wouldn’t be illegal to scrap it:
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalregister/faqs.htm

Many community leaders have desired to scrap it for over 30 years, as it’s generally been a dumpster fire. The LA Times editorial board proposed such just A few years ago, calling the $300M renovation cost wasteful.

Nor is the Queen Mary as iconic as the Empire State Building. I’d imagine that the population, including that of the Southland region, who knows that the Queen Mary is docked at Long Beach is pretty small. Even the ones that do, myself included, don’t associate LB with the Queen. Heck, LB is a much different place today that it was in the 80s,90s,and 00s.


Ships in general have been aptly described as "Holes in the water that you pour money into" because of their constant and unavoidable need for maintenance, and because of her size and age the Queen Mary offers an extraordinary example of this. It sounds as though a lot of necessary maintenance that should have been being performed on a regular basis from the day she arrived has been either deferred or neglected entirely until the situation has reached a critical breaking point. Assuming the $300 million is spent to refurbish her AND appropriate funds are allocated to provide adequate regular maintenance so this situation doesn't arise again, how long before the Queen Mary begins turning a profit or at least breaking even?
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sat Oct 12, 2019 2:55 pm

WidebodyPTV wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
Allegedly, the ship needs over $300M in repairs. IMO, given LB’s continued regentrification - including the possibility of luring the Angeles from Anaheim - they should just scrap the Queen Mary and put the money to better use.

It would be illegal to scrap the Queen Mary as it is on the National Register of Historic Places. Also, the Queen Mary is the iconic symbol of Long Beach in the same way the Space Needle is for Seattle or the Empire State Building is for New York.


The Queen Mary doesn’t receive federal funds, therefore it wouldn’t be illegal to scrap it:
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalregister/faqs.htm

Many community leaders have desired to scrap it for over 30 years, as it’s generally been a dumpster fire. The LA Times editorial board proposed such just A few years ago, calling the $300M renovation cost wasteful.

Nor is the Queen Mary as iconic as the Empire State Building. I’d imagine that the population, including that of the Southland region, who knows that the Queen Mary is docked at Long Beach is pretty small. Even the ones that do, myself included, don’t associate LB with the Queen. Heck, LB is a much different place today that it was in the 80s,90s,and 00s.

What makes Long Beach a different place today than in the 2000's.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sat Oct 12, 2019 6:01 pm

ArchGuy1 wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
It would be illegal to scrap the Queen Mary as it is on the National Register of Historic Places. Also, the Queen Mary is the iconic symbol of Long Beach in the same way the Space Needle is for Seattle or the Empire State Building is for New York.


The Queen Mary doesn’t receive federal funds, therefore it wouldn’t be illegal to scrap it:
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalregister/faqs.htm

Many community leaders have desired to scrap it for over 30 years, as it’s generally been a dumpster fire. The LA Times editorial board proposed such just A few years ago, calling the $300M renovation cost wasteful.

Nor is the Queen Mary as iconic as the Empire State Building. I’d imagine that the population, including that of the Southland region, who knows that the Queen Mary is docked at Long Beach is pretty small. Even the ones that do, myself included, don’t associate LB with the Queen. Heck, LB is a much different place today that it was in the 80s,90s,and 00s.


What makes Long Beach a different place today than in the 2000's?


Long Beach's continued regentrification.

And ArchGuy, please use a question mark ( ? ) at the end of sentences that are intended as questions to signify that they are questions and not statements.
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sat Oct 12, 2019 11:49 pm

WidebodyPTV wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
Allegedly, the ship needs over $300M in repairs. IMO, given LB’s continued regentrification - including the possibility of luring the Angeles from Anaheim - they should just scrap the Queen Mary and put the money to better use.

It would be illegal to scrap the Queen Mary as it is on the National Register of Historic Places. Also, the Queen Mary is the iconic symbol of Long Beach in the same way the Space Needle is for Seattle or the Empire State Building is for New York.


The Queen Mary doesn’t receive federal funds, therefore it wouldn’t be illegal to scrap it:
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalregister/faqs.htm

Many community leaders have desired to scrap it for over 30 years, as it’s generally been a dumpster fire. The LA Times editorial board proposed such just A few years ago, calling the $300M renovation cost wasteful.

Nor is the Queen Mary as iconic as the Empire State Building. I’d imagine that the population, including that of the Southland region, who knows that the Queen Mary is docked at Long Beach is pretty small. Even the ones that do, myself included, don’t associate LB with the Queen. Heck, LB is a much different place today that it was in the 80s,90s,and 00s.

It may be illegal to scrap the Queen Mary under California law though, since it is on the National Register of Historic Places and California law may be stricter than federal law.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sun Oct 13, 2019 1:21 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
It may be illegal to scrap the Queen Mary under California law though, since it is on the National Register of Historic Places and California law may be stricter than federal law.
Find out for us and report back. I'd find that interesting.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:26 am

As far as I can find, it's not illegal to scrap it despite the landmark status. It makes it a bit more difficult, but that's it. And it seems "let me scrap it or else it's going to sink" would be a compelling enough argument.

It's a shame to see the ship come to this, but is literally 50 years behind on maintenance. And everyone loves to claim it's a landmark, the city loves it etc etc....until it's time to pay for it.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sun Oct 13, 2019 4:15 pm

WidebodyPTV wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
Allegedly, the ship needs over $300M in repairs. IMO, given LB’s continued regentrification - including the possibility of luring the Angeles from Anaheim - they should just scrap the Queen Mary and put the money to better use.

It would be illegal to scrap the Queen Mary as it is on the National Register of Historic Places. Also, the Queen Mary is the iconic symbol of Long Beach in the same way the Space Needle is for Seattle or the Empire State Building is for New York.


The Queen Mary doesn’t receive federal funds, therefore it wouldn’t be illegal to scrap it:
https://www.nps.gov/subjects/nationalregister/faqs.htm
Many community leaders have desired to scrap it for over 30 years, as it’s generally been a dumpster fire. The LA Times editorial board proposed such just A few years ago, calling the $300M renovation cost wasteful.

Nor is the Queen Mary as iconic as the Empire State Building. I’d imagine that the population, including that of the Southland region, who knows that the Queen Mary is docked at Long Beach is pretty small. Even the ones that do, myself included, don’t associate LB with the Queen. Heck, LB is a much different place today that it was in the 80s,90s,and 00s.

The Queen Mary sees about 1.5 million paying visitors a year, about the same number that visit the Seattle Space Needle, CN Tower in Toronto, Las Vegas High Roller observation wheel, and the observation deck of the Sears Tower in Chicago.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:32 pm

No one in America thought of keeping her in a dry dock?
Has always been a strange one, a trans-Atlantic liner retired to a port to which she never called (in service) on the Pacific.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:38 pm

ArchGuy1 wrote:
The Queen Mary sees about 1.5 million paying visitors a year, about the same number that visit the Seattle Space Needle, CN Tower in Toronto, Las Vegas High Roller observation wheel, and the observation deck of the Sears Tower in Chicago.
Their attendance numbers mean nothing here. What are the maintenance costs of the QM vs. those other venues? Have you done the research to see if it can be scrapped?
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:20 pm

johns624 wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
The Queen Mary sees about 1.5 million paying visitors a year, about the same number that visit the Seattle Space Needle, CN Tower in Toronto, Las Vegas High Roller observation wheel, and the observation deck of the Sears Tower in Chicago.
Their attendance numbers mean nothing here. What are the maintenance costs of the QM vs. those other venues? Have you done the research to see if it can be scrapped?

I have heard that scrapping the Queen Mary would be an environmental hazard. Also, the thought of doing so would bring a huge outcry.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Sun Oct 13, 2019 11:50 pm

ArchGuy1 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
The Queen Mary sees about 1.5 million paying visitors a year, about the same number that visit the Seattle Space Needle, CN Tower in Toronto, Las Vegas High Roller observation wheel, and the observation deck of the Sears Tower in Chicago.


Their attendance numbers mean nothing here. What are the maintenance costs of the QM vs. those other venues? Have you done the research to see if it can be scrapped?


I have heard that scrapping the Queen Mary would be an environmental hazard.


It shouldn't be any more so than any other ship. Remove the asbestos insulation (of which there is probably literally tons) and clean out any oil sludge or petroleum products left in the fuel tanks, the engine room, and the bilge and that's about it.

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Also, the thought of doing so would bring a huge outcry.


There's always a "huge outcry" any time anything old is destroyed, no matter how decrepit, outdated, and sometimes outright dangerous the thing in question has become due to damage or, as is the case with the Queen Mary, sheer neglect by the owners. The thing is, it is extremely rare for the ones who are crying out to be willing to accept any responsibility at all, monetary or personal, for the refurbishment and/or repair of the thing they're crying out about. Sure, they shout "Somebody should do something!" for all to hear, but then very quietly under their breath they whisper "...as long as that somebody isn't me".
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:04 am

FGITD wrote:
As far as I can find, it's not illegal to scrap it despite the landmark status. It makes it a bit more difficult, but that's it. And it seems "let me scrap it or else it's going to sink" would be a compelling enough argument.

Are you referring to California state law or US federal law.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:20 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
As far as I can find, it's not illegal to scrap it despite the landmark status. It makes it a bit more difficult, but that's it. And it seems "let me scrap it or else it's going to sink" would be a compelling enough argument.

Are you referring to California state law or US federal law.


Both. I didn't look too deep because...i simply can't be bothered. But the national register of historic places list has always fluctuated as places are removed, destroyed, etc. Matter of fact, in the last 20 years almost 1000 places on the that register have been demolished, whether intentional or not
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:54 pm

WidebodyPTV wrote:
Allegedly, the ship needs over $300M in repairs. IMO, given LB’s continued regentrification - including the possibility of luring the Angeles from Anaheim - they should just scrap the Queen Mary and put the money to better use.

If anything needs to go, it is that Russian submarine next to the Queen Mary that has nowhere near the historic value as the QM. The Queen Mary should stay as it is Long Beach like the Gateway Arch is St.Louis or the Space Needle is Seattle. The Queen Mary is also more historically significant than that Russian sub.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:08 pm

ArchGuy1 wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
Allegedly, the ship needs over $300M in repairs. IMO, given LB’s continued regentrification - including the possibility of luring the Angeles from Anaheim - they should just scrap the Queen Mary and put the money to better use.


If anything needs to go, it is that Russian submarine next to the Queen Mary that has nowhere near the historic value as the QM. The Queen Mary should stay as it is Long Beach like the Gateway Arch is St.Louis or the Space Needle is Seattle. The Queen Mary is also more historically significant than that Russian sub.


I don't quite follow your logic there. Getting rid of the sub won't effect the amount of long-term neglect the Queen Mary has suffered nor the price of the repairs she needs.
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:20 pm

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I don't quite follow your logic there.
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:38 pm

Why is she even floating? Just pump a few million tons of concrete under her and have be on "hard ground" so to speak and be done with the fantasy that she is a ship of the seas any more.

I love the ship and her history but she is not "that" anymore. Wonderful and beautiful as she is, she is now a hotel and tourist site and just acknowledging that and putting her on a hard foundation would help her.

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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:31 pm

The MS Queen Elizabeth cost around $500 million to construct from scratch, all fitted out. How the heck can the repair price for the Queen Mary (keeping in mind she's not being restored to seaworthy condition) be $300 Million?
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:36 pm

Tugger wrote:
Why is she even floating? Just pump a few million tons of concrete under her and have be on "hard ground" so to speak and be done with the fantasy that she is a ship of the seas any more.

I love the ship and her history but she is not "that" anymore. Wonderful and beautiful as she is, she is now a hotel and tourist site and just acknowledging that and putting her on a hard foundation would help her.

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Putting the Queen Mary in drydock would rot the ship faster.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:37 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Why is she even floating? Just pump a few million tons of concrete under her and have be on "hard ground" so to speak and be done with the fantasy that she is a ship of the seas any more.

I love the ship and her history but she is not "that" anymore. Wonderful and beautiful as she is, she is now a hotel and tourist site and just acknowledging that and putting her on a hard foundation would help her.

Tugg

Putting the Queen Mary in drydock would rot the ship faster.


How would putting the Queen Mary in dry dock cause it to rot faster?
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:26 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Why is she even floating? Just pump a few million tons of concrete under her and have be on "hard ground" so to speak and be done with the fantasy that she is a ship of the seas any more.

I love the ship and her history but she is not "that" anymore. Wonderful and beautiful as she is, she is now a hotel and tourist site and just acknowledging that and putting her on a hard foundation would help her.

Tugg

Putting the Queen Mary in drydock would rot the ship faster.
Would you mind explaining that to us?
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:47 am

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Ships in general have been aptly described as "Holes in the water that you pour money into" because of their constant and unavoidable need for maintenance, and because of her size and age the Queen Mary offers an extraordinary example of this. It sounds as though a lot of necessary maintenance that should have been being performed on a regular basis from the day she arrived has been either deferred or neglected entirely until the situation has reached a critical breaking point. Assuming the $300 million is spent to refurbish her AND appropriate funds are allocated to provide adequate regular maintenance so this situation doesn't arise again, how long before the Queen Mary begins turning a profit or at least breaking even?


Unfortunately, there's no solid estimate. Several years ago, the repairs were estimated at $300M; the City ended up leasing the ship to a British company which said they could be done for ~$25M. After they exhausted most of the funds borrowed by the city to fund the repairs, they now admit costs will likely exceed $200M. They are suppose to develop Queen Mary Island - a major entertainment district surrounding the ship - but even that's been put on hold, as initial costs have continued to escalate.

One thing nobody disputes -- scrapping the ship and transforming the surrounding area into an entertainment district will put more money into the city's pockets in the long-haul. The ship, unfortunately, has been nothing but a dumpster fire...

ArchGuy1 wrote:
If anything needs to go, it is that Russian submarine next to the Queen Mary that has nowhere near the historic value as the QM. The Queen Mary should stay as it is Long Beach like the Gateway Arch is St.Louis or the Space Needle is Seattle. The Queen Mary is also more historically significant than that Russian sub.


They intend to scrap the submarine. And Long Beach is merely a suburb of Los Angeles, not a major city; as I mentioned earlier, the percentage of population that knows the QM is in LB is small.

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The Queen Mary sees about 1.5 million paying visitors a year, about the same number that visit the Seattle Space Needle, CN Tower in Toronto, Las Vegas High Roller observation wheel, and the observation deck of the Sears Tower in Chicago.

The City hosts events in & around the QM throughout the year -- Fourth of July party, Halloween, etc. These events are low-cost, which generates the bulk of the visitors. Really has nothing to do with the QM.

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Also, the thought of [scraping[ so would bring a huge outcry.


Nobody, besides a few ship enthusiasts, will care. And most everybody in LB would be relieved.
 
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Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:17 am

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No one in America thought of keeping her in a dry dock?
Has always been a strange one, a trans-Atlantic liner retired to a port to which she never called (in service) on the Pacific.


When. the ship arrived at Long Beach the dry dock she eventually went to for major maintenance was part of the Navy Base there. I was serving on the USS Long Beach and we were her "Official Welcome Ship". When she was in dry dock I would normally walk next to the dry dock when heading out on liberty. I don't know if the dry dock is still in existence these days.

The ship was a North Atlantic ship and the passengers who paid big money to be on that last sailing were pretty upset with the level of misery they encountered. They crossed the Equator TWICE and the ship was not air conditioned and they were pretty vocal in the local newspapers.

There is a good story on the last sailing at https://www.youtube.com/embed/gAVhP7Sj4 ... autoplay=1

If you watch the video you'll see the USS Long Beach escorting the Queen Mary at the 6:02 mark and at 6:14.

As far as investing more money into her it needs to be understood that the bill will be higher than we would expect because of years of neglect.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:38 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
TSS wrote:
Ships in general have been aptly described as "Holes in the water that you pour money into" because of their constant and unavoidable need for maintenance, and because of her size and age the Queen Mary offers an extraordinary example of this. It sounds as though a lot of necessary maintenance that should have been being performed on a regular basis from the day she arrived has been either deferred or neglected entirely until the situation has reached a critical breaking point. Assuming the $300 million is spent to refurbish her AND appropriate funds are allocated to provide adequate regular maintenance so this situation doesn't arise again, how long before the Queen Mary begins turning a profit or at least breaking even?


Unfortunately, there's no solid estimate. Several years ago, the repairs were estimated at $300M; the City ended up leasing the ship to a British company which said they could be done for ~$25M. After they exhausted most of the funds borrowed by the city to fund the repairs, they now admit costs will likely exceed $200M. They are suppose to develop Queen Mary Island - a major entertainment district surrounding the ship - but even that's been put on hold, as initial costs have continued to escalate.

One thing nobody disputes -- scrapping the ship and transforming the surrounding area into an entertainment district will put more money into the city's pockets in the long-haul. The ship, unfortunately, has been nothing but a dumpster fire...

ArchGuy1 wrote:
If anything needs to go, it is that Russian submarine next to the Queen Mary that has nowhere near the historic value as the QM. The Queen Mary should stay as it is Long Beach like the Gateway Arch is St.Louis or the Space Needle is Seattle. The Queen Mary is also more historically significant than that Russian sub.


They intend to scrap the submarine. And Long Beach is merely a suburb of Los Angeles, not a major city; as I mentioned earlier, the percentage of population that knows the QM is in LB is small.

ArchGuy1 wrote:
The Queen Mary sees about 1.5 million paying visitors a year, about the same number that visit the Seattle Space Needle, CN Tower in Toronto, Las Vegas High Roller observation wheel, and the observation deck of the Sears Tower in Chicago.

The City hosts events in & around the QM throughout the year -- Fourth of July party, Halloween, etc. These events are low-cost, which generates the bulk of the visitors. Really has nothing to do with the QM.

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Also, the thought of [scraping[ so would bring a huge outcry.


Nobody, besides a few ship enthusiasts, will care. And most everybody in LB would be relieved.

The Queen Mary actually sees more paying visitors a year at 1.5 million a year than the Guggenheim Museum in New York City which sees like 1.2 million visitors a year and the observation deck of the John Hancock Center in Chicago, which sees like 500,000 paying visitors a year.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:08 am

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The Queen Mary actually sees more paying visitors a year at 1.5 million a year than the Guggenheim Museum in New York City which sees like 1.2 million visitors a year and the observation deck of the John Hancock Center in Chicago, which sees like 500,000 paying visitors a year.


Okay, so what happened to all the money these paying visitors paid? If the Queen Mary is such a popular tourist attraction, why has it been passed around from owner to owner and why has it been allowed to deteriorate to the condition it is currently in?
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:36 am

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They intend to scrap the submarine. And Long Beach is merely a suburb of Los Angeles, not a major city; as I mentioned earlier, the percentage of population that knows the QM is in LB is small.

There are no plans to scrap the Queen Mary itself.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:47 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
The Queen Mary actually sees more paying visitors a year at 1.5 million a year than the Guggenheim Museum in New York City which sees like 1.2 million visitors a year and the observation deck of the John Hancock Center in Chicago, which sees like 500,000 paying visitors a year.


As I mentioned earlier, the QM's paid attendance includes special attractions that appeal to budget-minded locals. For examples, tickets to its nightly all-night Halloween event can be purchased for as low as $10 - $25, depending on the day. Compare that to other local Halloween events, which typically run for ~$20 - $30 per hour, or ~$100 for all night. Alas, it's not the Queen that's pulling the traffic in...
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:58 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
They intend to scrap the submarine.


Bummer. If it's the one I think it is, I've seen a film shot inside of it and the interiors appeared to be in fairly good shape.

WidebodyPTV wrote:
And Long Beach is merely a suburb of Los Angeles, not a major city; as I mentioned earlier, the percentage of population that knows the QM is in LB is small.


ArchGuy1 wrote:
There are no plans to scrap the Queen Mary itself.


Without needed maintenance she'll probably sink on her own where she sits. If that happens, she might actually be a better tourist attraction as a near-shore dive location anyway. Depending on the depth of the water where she is, she might end up half-submerged and listing at a steep angle like the hulk of the Queen Elizabeth 1 did in Hong Kong harbor for a while. If that's the case, then she could become a near-shore dive location and bird sanctuary all in one. :stirthepot: :devil:
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:04 pm

Long Beach may be a "suburb", but it does have 460,000+ people. Ken777, the drydock appears to be long gone, according to Google Earth.
 
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Re: Current Condition of the Queen Mary

Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:05 pm

TSS wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
They intend to scrap the submarine.


Bummer. If it's the one I think it is, I've seen a film shot inside of it and the interiors appeared to be in fairly good shape.

WidebodyPTV wrote:
And Long Beach is merely a suburb of Los Angeles, not a major city; as I mentioned earlier, the percentage of population that knows the QM is in LB is small.


ArchGuy1 wrote:
There are no plans to scrap the Queen Mary itself.


Without needed maintenance she'll probably sink on her own where she sits. If that happens, she might actually be a better tourist attraction as a near-shore dive location anyway. Depending on the depth of the water where she is, she might end up half-submerged and listing at a steep angle like the hulk of the Queen Elizabeth 1 did in Hong Kong harbor for a while. If that's the case, then she could become a near-shore dive location and bird sanctuary all in one. :stirthepot: :devil:

The Russian sub was closed due to structural concerns about 2 years ago.

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