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Adm. McRaven: America is under attack from Donald Trump

Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:41 am

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America is under attack from Donald Trump: Retired Special Operations Admiral McRaven

Yep, we are living under King Joffrey from GOT now.

I only wonder, when an accomplished man of this magnitude sounds the alarm....how many MAGA cult boys will line up to attack this guy?

He's untouchable fellas, but let's hear your best shots..

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Re: Adm. McRaven: America is under attack from Donald Trump

Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:42 am

McRaven makes a strong argument.

""If our promises are meaningless, how will our allies ever trust us? If we can't have faith in our nation's principles, why would the men and women of this nation join the military," McRaven said in his column. "And if they don't join, who will protect us? If we are not the champions of the good and the right, then who will follow us? And if no one follows us — where will the world end up?""


https://www.businessinsider.com/william ... mp-2019-10


Trump is destroying America. Just think for a bit about the following. Karen Pence is currently out on the trail campaigning for Women for Trump. This is the same Karen Pence, whose husband can't be in a room alone with another woman, stumping for a man who has had 3 wives, banged porn star while his wife was at home nursing a newborn , and openly disparages women.

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:47 am

He can either go and put his and his family's life on the front line or he can shut up. I never thought I'd see the day of so many liberals supporting fruitless and endless wars. No more American deaths for the benefit other countries. They can learn to take care of themselves. Trump is not responsible for the empty promises and bad decisions of previous administrations. Trump has to anseer for American military casualties while he is in office. He is getting us out of these awful places and preserving the lives of some of our best and brightest people.
 
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Re: Adm. McRaven: America is under attack from Donald Trump

Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:51 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
He can either go and put his and his family's life on the front line or he can shut up. I never thought I'd see the day of so many liberals supporting fruitless and endless wars. No more American deaths for the benefit other countries. They can learn to take care of themselves. Trump is not responsible for the empty promises and bad decisions of previous administrations. Trump has to anseer for American military casualties while he is in office. He is getting us out of these awful places and preserving the lives of some of our best and brightest people.


Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about. And you have no clue how millions of people died in the 20th century.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:54 am

casinterest wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
He can either go and put his and his family's life on the front line or he can shut up. I never thought I'd see the day of so many liberals supporting fruitless and endless wars. No more American deaths for the benefit other countries. They can learn to take care of themselves. Trump is not responsible for the empty promises and bad decisions of previous administrations. Trump has to anseer for American military casualties while he is in office. He is getting us out of these awful places and preserving the lives of some of our best and brightest people.


Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about. And you have no clue how millions of people died in the 20th century.


So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites. At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars. Enough is enough. When was the last time the US was in peace time?
 
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Re: Adm. McRaven: America is under attack from Donald Trump

Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:59 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
casinterest wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
He can either go and put his and his family's life on the front line or he can shut up. I never thought I'd see the day of so many liberals supporting fruitless and endless wars. No more American deaths for the benefit other countries. They can learn to take care of themselves. Trump is not responsible for the empty promises and bad decisions of previous administrations. Trump has to anseer for American military casualties while he is in office. He is getting us out of these awful places and preserving the lives of some of our best and brightest people.


Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about. And you have no clue how millions of people died in the 20th century.


So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites. At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars. Enough is enough. When was the last time the US was in peace time?


Don't pretend to know me to justify your gaslighting. You are not conservative. You are a member of a nationalist group of fools that got us embroiled into two world wars by ignoring the rest of the world. The US builds this nation and this economy by being a player in the affairs of the rest of the world. How is America first going to work when no one trusts us? How is it going to work when everyone decides to buy from Russia , China and Europe? The US is the great economy it is today because we are present in the reset of the world, and we do work to balance out injustices.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:01 am

There's been so many crying wolf that it simply doesn't matter anymore.

I am finding it amusing (albeit very sad for this country) to see half the nation forced to abandon and contradict previous policy stances because of TDS. Their hatred for Trump has so clouded their minds that they have to eat themselves. It's political cannibalism.

And like TT, I've always been against endless wars. It's one big reason why GWB was a terrible president in my view.
 
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Re: Adm. McRaven: America is under attack from Donald Trump

Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:04 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
He can either go and put his and his family's life on the front line or he can shut up. I never thought I'd see the day of so many liberals supporting fruitless and endless wars. No more American deaths for the benefit other countries. They can learn to take care of themselves. Trump is not responsible for the empty promises and bad decisions of previous administrations. Trump has to anseer for American military casualties while he is in office. He is getting us out of these awful places and preserving the lives of some of our best and brightest people.


Boy do you run hot n' cold...

You're so busy eating trump cookies you can't stop and review how America gained it's military dominance.

Protecting America & the West is contingent upon the successful ring we've built around the fmr USSR, now Russia. That ring was a strategic action designed to keep threats to America 'oceans apart' and then some ...allied territories).

Drop that ring and America becomes more exposed and less impediments for (non-cyber) unwanted foreign interference, the old school type of interference see->Ukraine.

But the Proven Liar president who happens to be dangerously ignorant of the history I just described above...has managed to convince too many (like you) that America is paying too much for everything. But his ignorance blocks the fact that 'the ring' provides much much more than a defense barrier, it forges priceless loyalty and stability for those allies for starters.

You can't put a price on that in a very unstable world.
The 'counting pennies' strategy only work on donut shops..not a nation (of our size) security.

But I figured a few of you would hear the calling to attack Admiral McRaven...the cult demands it. You follow unspoken orders well.

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:13 am

casinterest wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
casinterest wrote:

Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about. And you have no clue how millions of people died in the 20th century.


So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites. At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars. Enough is enough. When was the last time the US was in peace time?


Don't pretend to know me to justify your gaslighting. You are not conservative. You are a member of a nationalist group of fools that got us embroiled into two world wars by ignoring the rest of the world. The US builds this nation and this economy by being a player in the affairs of the rest of the world. How is America first going to work when no one trusts us? How is it going to work when everyone decides to buy from Russia , China and Europe? The US is the great economy it is today because we are present in the reset of the world, and we do work to balance out injustices.



Well stated, the empty minds that parrot 'cry wolf' and 'nation building complaints' have no idea their party was sounding alarms in favor of those things prior to the Liar President.

Now they're under his spell and repeating his ignorance.

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:23 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
casinterest wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
He can either go and put his and his family's life on the front line or he can shut up. I never thought I'd see the day of so many liberals supporting fruitless and endless wars. No more American deaths for the benefit other countries. They can learn to take care of themselves. Trump is not responsible for the empty promises and bad decisions of previous administrations. Trump has to anseer for American military casualties while he is in office. He is getting us out of these awful places and preserving the lives of some of our best and brightest people.


Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about. And you have no clue how millions of people died in the 20th century.


So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites. At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars. Enough is enough. When was the last time the US was in peace time?


Guess you haven’t heard of Kushner selling nuclear reactors to Saudi Arabia, or the fact we have more troops going there for their endless pissing match with Iran.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:23 am

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TTailedTiger wrote:
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Well stated, the empty minds that parrot 'cry wolf' and 'nation building complaints' have no idea their party was sounding alarms in favor of those things prior to the Liar President.

Now they're under his spell and repeating his ignorance.

BN747


What part of I'd love to see Bush and Cheney hang for their war crimes don't you understand?


The part where you think they should hang. They got buy ins from Congress and the public.(lies, yes), but they didn't go out and bang a porn star and then leave 1000 US soldiers twisting in the wind in the middle of an invasion.


Who cares what Trump did in 2006 with a porn star. You are trying to twist facts. He did not have any relationships with porn stars while president. It's this kind of dishonesty that gives Trump unlimited ammunition against liberals.
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:28 am

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TTailedTiger wrote:

What part of I'd love to see Bush and Cheney hang for their war crimes don't you understand?


The part where you think they should hang. They got buy ins from Congress and the public.(lies, yes), but they didn't go out and bang a porn star and then leave 1000 US soldiers twisting in the wind in the middle of an invasion.


Who cares what Trump did in 2006 with a porn star. You are trying to twist facts. He did not have any relationships with porn stars while president. It's this kind of dishonesty that gives Trump unlimited ammunition against liberals.



Twist what facts? He banged a porn star, and then pulled out early in Syria with no plan made for a lasting peace.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:34 am

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TTailedTiger wrote:
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The part where you think they should hang. They got buy ins from Congress and the public.(lies, yes), but they didn't go out and bang a porn star and then leave 1000 US soldiers twisting in the wind in the middle of an invasion.


Who cares what Trump did in 2006 with a porn star. You are trying to twist facts. He did not have any relationships with porn stars while president. It's this kind of dishonesty that gives Trump unlimited ammunition against liberals.



Twist what facts? He banged a porn star, and then pulled out early in Syria with no plan made for a lasting peace.


Sometimes a sacrifice must be made for the better good. If someone goes to the hospital with a nasty infection in their hand, the doctor may elect to amputate it to ensure the infection doesn't spread to the rest of the body. Maybe medication would have worked but there is no guarantee that more harm wouldn't come from waiting to see if it worked. If even one American life would be at risk by waiting around for an exit plan, then it was absolutely necessary to pull out immediately. I'm an American and the lives of our people come first. I would hope other nationalities would feel the same about their own people.
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:38 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
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TTailedTiger wrote:

Who cares what Trump did in 2006 with a porn star. You are trying to twist facts. He did not have any relationships with porn stars while president. It's this kind of dishonesty that gives Trump unlimited ammunition against liberals.



Twist what facts? He banged a porn star, and then pulled out early in Syria with no plan made for a lasting peace.


Sometimes a sacrifice must be made for the better good. If someone goes to the hospital with a nasty infection in their hand, the doctor may elect to amputate it to ensure the infection doesn't spread to the rest of the body. Maybe medication would have worked but there is no guarantee that more harm wouldn't come from waiting to see if it worked. If even one American life would be at risk by waiting around for an exit plan, then it was absolutely necessary to pull out immediately. I'm an American and the lives of our people come first. I would hope other nationalities would feel the same about their own people.


You say sacrifices must be made for the greater good, and then contradict yourself to the end. A True American worries about everyone's lives, especially when pulling out leads to greater deaths. You saw Trump's tweet today right? Millions were going to be killed without the agreement for a ceasefire.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:03 am

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I only wonder, when an accomplished man of this magnitude sounds the alarm....how many MAGA cult boys will line up to attack this guy?


They will, as always, eschew facts and attack the critics.
In fact, it looks like I'm an hour late to the party.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:57 am

Francoflier wrote:
BN747 wrote:
I only wonder, when an accomplished man of this magnitude sounds the alarm....how many MAGA cult boys will line up to attack this guy?


They will, as always, eschew facts and attack the critics.
In fact, it looks like I'm an hour late to the party.


It’s a pride issue - these folks can’t admit certain things, so the whataboutism and denial play take center stage, even when directly contradicting past views (some of which are preserved on this very forum).
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:10 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
casinterest wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
He can either go and put his and his family's life on the front line or he can shut up. I never thought I'd see the day of so many liberals supporting fruitless and endless wars. No more American deaths for the benefit other countries. They can learn to take care of themselves. Trump is not responsible for the empty promises and bad decisions of previous administrations. Trump has to anseer for American military casualties while he is in office. He is getting us out of these awful places and preserving the lives of some of our best and brightest people.


Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about. And you have no clue how millions of people died in the 20th century.


So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites.


You do realize that ISIS is the courtesy of G:W: Bush Junior and everything related to ISIS is yours to clean up with your money and your blood, right?

Staying in Syria has nothing to do with "Nation Building", its cleaning up your own mess.

At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars.


Yeah.. so consistent.... so you want them charged. Great. Honestly rare to hear that and i applause that. However, GW Senior threw the Kurds under the bus after the 1991 war, GW junior threw them under the Bus, and all of Iraq with with it by withdrawing US forces before his criminal mess was cleaned up, and Trump throws them under the bus for...... well, probably a good real estate deal or something.

If Kurds ever start blowing up American it will be really hard to fault them, considering that they fought your war with their blood and lives and you go all "No AMERICAN lives anymore". .....

But throwing allies to week to defend themselves under the bus kinda is the US modus operandi ... how are all those Vietnamese, and surrounding countries, tribes doing that supported you in Vietnam*..... of yeah, they got genocided out of existence after you threw them to the lions. Well, maybe "conservative" means stabbing your friends in the back, but that would be sad.

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:21 am

tommy1808 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
casinterest wrote:

Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about. And you have no clue how millions of people died in the 20th century.


So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites.


You do realize that ISIS is the courtesy of G:W: Bush Junior and everything related to ISIS is yours to clean up with your money and your blood, right?

Staying in Syria has nothing to do with "Nation Building", its cleaning up your own mess.

At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars.


Yeah.. so consistent.... so you want them charged. Great. Honestly rare to hear that and i applause that. However, GW Senior threw the Kurds under the bus after the 1991 war, GW junior threw them under the Bus, and all of Iraq with with it by withdrawing US forces before his criminal mess was cleaned up, and Trump throws them under the bus for...... well, probably a good real estate deal or something.

If Kurds ever start blowing up American it will be really hard to fault them, considering that they fought your war with their blood and lives and you go all "No AMERICAN lives anymore". .....

But throwing allies to week to defend themselves under the bus kinda is the US modus operandi ... how are all those VIetnamese, and sourrounding countries tribes doing that supported you in Vietnam..... of yeah, they got genocided out of existence after you threw them under to the lions. Well, maybe "concervative" means stabbing your friends in the back, but that would be sad.

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No, everyone needs to keep to themselves and mind their own business. Do that and the world will be a better place. The world can't curse the US but also demand help from them. It doesn't work that way. You don't ask a supposed bully for help.
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:23 am

Francoflier wrote:
BN747 wrote:
I only wonder, when an accomplished man of this magnitude sounds the alarm....how many MAGA cult boys will line up to attack this guy?


They will, as always, eschew facts and attack the critics.


I just wonder to myself 'what would it take for me to listen to and admire' a person ignorant of nearly everything that matters from family to history to science to ethics, etc..' and accept such person as a leader I should look up to and respect. I mean a man foolish enough not to listen the military which has protected America since day 1. A man who knows nothing calling the shots driving the economy, rendering opinions on things he knows nothing about...just mind boggling.

My brain simply will not allow that..so I have to wonder what would make other (perceived) normal minds proceed with doing so.


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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:25 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites.


You do realize that ISIS is the courtesy of G:W: Bush Junior and everything related to ISIS is yours to clean up with your money and your blood, right?

Staying in Syria has nothing to do with "Nation Building", its cleaning up your own mess.

At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars.


Yeah.. so consistent.... so you want them charged. Great. Honestly rare to hear that and i applause that. However, GW Senior threw the Kurds under the bus after the 1991 war, GW junior threw them under the Bus, and all of Iraq with with it by withdrawing US forces before his criminal mess was cleaned up, and Trump throws them under the bus for...... well, probably a good real estate deal or something.

If Kurds ever start blowing up American it will be really hard to fault them, considering that they fought your war with their blood and lives and you go all "No AMERICAN lives anymore". .....

But throwing allies to week to defend themselves under the bus kinda is the US modus operandi ... how are all those VIetnamese, and sourrounding countries tribes doing that supported you in Vietnam..... of yeah, they got genocided out of existence after you threw them under to the lions. Well, maybe "concervative" means stabbing your friends in the back, but that would be sad.

best regards
Thomas


No, everyone needs to keep to themselves and mind their own business. .


Oh great, does that mean we can send those 5 million Syrian refugees over to you as they are your business? Do you also tell Jewish Friends that the US should have minded its own business and leave Nazi Germany alone? Cool stuff.

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:28 am

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If even one American life would be at risk by waiting around for an exit plan, then it was absolutely necessary to pull out immediately. I'm an American and the lives of our people come first. I would hope other nationalities would feel the same about their own people.


What will you do when you find out your favorite stripper hates you?

You do not understand this, but these Americans you claim (or feign perhaps) concern for are composed primarily of liberals and centrists. All of whom are about out of patience for the present day shenanigans.

In any case... The fact that a life is american or not should not mean anything to you. There is no way to spin these current adventures in a palatable light.

Trying to cloak hard core nationalism in pseudo virtue does not remove the fact that is still toxic nationalism. And this is what you are left with. . .

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You say sacrifices must be made for the greater good, and then contradict yourself to the end. A True American worries about everyone's lives, especially when pulling out leads to greater deaths. You saw Trump's tweet today right? Millions were going to be killed without the agreement for a ceasefire.


Mainly agree...

I will just add that people who talk about sacrifices never do so in the first person.

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It’s a pride issue - these folks can’t admit certain things, so the whataboutism and denial play take center stage, even when directly contradicting past views (some of which are preserved on this very forum).


Indeed... There is a level of buyer's remorse at play here so severe as to completely prohibit any intellectual honesty.

Point out that 45, barring his Three Miracles, is almost certain to lose his job this year and the color and violence of the denialism presented will be breathtaking.

This transcends mere political stripes...
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:31 am

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TTailedTiger wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

You do realize that ISIS is the courtesy of G:W: Bush Junior and everything related to ISIS is yours to clean up with your money and your blood, right?

Staying in Syria has nothing to do with "Nation Building", its cleaning up your own mess.



Yeah.. so consistent.... so you want them charged. Great. Honestly rare to hear that and i applause that. However, GW Senior threw the Kurds under the bus after the 1991 war, GW junior threw them under the Bus, and all of Iraq with with it by withdrawing US forces before his criminal mess was cleaned up, and Trump throws them under the bus for...... well, probably a good real estate deal or something.

If Kurds ever start blowing up American it will be really hard to fault them, considering that they fought your war with their blood and lives and you go all "No AMERICAN lives anymore". .....

But throwing allies to week to defend themselves under the bus kinda is the US modus operandi ... how are all those VIetnamese, and sourrounding countries tribes doing that supported you in Vietnam..... of yeah, they got genocided out of existence after you threw them under to the lions. Well, maybe "concervative" means stabbing your friends in the back, but that would be sad.

best regards
Thomas


No, everyone needs to keep to themselves and mind their own business. .


Oh great, does that mean we can send those 5 million Syrian refugees over to you as they are your business? Do you also tell Jewish Friends that the US should have minded its own business and leave Nazi Germany alone? Cool stuff.

best regards
Thomas


Do you also believe a children are responsible the sins of their parents? Trump is not required to continue a losing strategy of past administrations. Stop the wars and let's start being a productive nation again.
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:33 am

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tommy1808 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites.


You do realize that ISIS is the courtesy of G:W: Bush Junior and everything related to ISIS is yours to clean up with your money and your blood, right?

Staying in Syria has nothing to do with "Nation Building", its cleaning up your own mess.

At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars.


Yeah.. so consistent.... so you want them charged. Great. Honestly rare to hear that and i applause that. However, GW Senior threw the Kurds under the bus after the 1991 war, GW junior threw them under the Bus, and all of Iraq with with it by withdrawing US forces before his criminal mess was cleaned up, and Trump throws them under the bus for...... well, probably a good real estate deal or something.

If Kurds ever start blowing up American it will be really hard to fault them, considering that they fought your war with their blood and lives and you go all "No AMERICAN lives anymore". .....

But throwing allies to week to defend themselves under the bus kinda is the US modus operandi ... how are all those VIetnamese, and sourrounding countries tribes doing that supported you in Vietnam..... of yeah, they got genocided out of existence after you threw them under to the lions. Well, maybe "concervative" means stabbing your friends in the back, but that would be sad.

best regards
Thomas


No, everyone needs to keep to themselves and mind their own business. Do that and the world will be a better place. The world can't curse the US but also demand help from them. It doesn't work that way. You don't ask a supposed bully for help.



No, everyone needs to keep to themselves and mind their own business. Do that and the world will be a better place.

If everyone lived in a shoebox, that would work ...as long as they never came out. Single life.
Marriages are like that, two people pairing until they realize they should have never gotten together. Paired Life.
Because of jobs, services, businesses..there's no such thing as ' everyone needs to keep to themselves '...that's far flung fantasy, of seclusion.

The world can't curse the US but also demand help from them. It doesn't work that way.
Sure the world can.
Just as Americans protest it's gov;t when it goes off the deep end or goes astray.

It's like you criticizing your dad, then you ask for an allowance or a loan....so yeah, the world works exactly like that.

You don't take the attitude of 'I can't help you any longer because you criticized me yesterday'...who does that?

You don't ask a supposed bully for help.
Like the Liar-in-Chief trying to convince the world that Russia's bullying of Ukraine is no big deal, bring them back into the G7, lets help the bully.

Your compass is off my man.

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If even one American life would be at risk by waiting around for an exit plan, then it was absolutely necessary to pull out immediately. I'm an American and the lives of our people come first. I would hope other nationalities would feel the same about their own people.


What will you do when you find out your favorite stripper hates you?

You do not understand this, but these Americans you claim (or feign perhaps) concern for are composed primarily of liberals and centrists. All of whom are about out of patience for the present day shenanigans.

In any case... The fact that a life is american or not should not mean anything to you. There is no way to spin these current adventures in a palatable light.

Trying to cloak hard core nationalism in pseudo virtue does not remove the fact that is still toxic nationalism. And this is what you are left with. . .

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You say sacrifices must be made for the greater good, and then contradict yourself to the end. A True American worries about everyone's lives, especially when pulling out leads to greater deaths. You saw Trump's tweet today right? Millions were going to be killed without the agreement for a ceasefire.


Mainly agree...

I will just add that people who talk about sacrifices never do so in the first person.

Aaron747 wrote:

It’s a pride issue - these folks can’t admit certain things, so the whataboutism and denial play take center stage, even when directly contradicting past views (some of which are preserved on this very forum).


Indeed... There is a level of buyer's remorse at play here so severe as to completely prohibit any intellectual honesty.

Point out that 45, barring his Three Miracles, is almost certain to lose his job this year and the color and violence of the denialism presented will be breathtaking.

This transcends mere political stripes...


Still in denial. You all said he would never be elected in the first place. When people enter the voting booth they are mainly concerned with how well they are doing. And right now everyone is doing very well. That's why your boy Bill Maher wants a recession. He knows your goose is cooked otherwise. Especially with Warren being the front-runner. I remember when Democrats used to protest the war and spit on military members. But now war is good? People please.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:41 am

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tommy1808 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

No, everyone needs to keep to themselves and mind their own business. .


Oh great, does that mean we can send those 5 million Syrian refugees over to you as they are your business? Do you also tell Jewish Friends that the US should have minded its own business and leave Nazi Germany alone? Cool stuff.

best regards
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Do you also believe a children are responsible the sins of their parents?


Considering where some of my tax money went during the last decades these are the kind of circumstances where even grand-grandchildren have to mend the sins of their grand-grandparents generation. Even if the country isn´t the same anymore, twice over, and even if none of the perpetrator countries where even democracies.. So there is ample precedence.

Trump is not required to continue a losing strategy of past administrations.


Hahahaha.... he can come up with a better strategy if he can come up with one, but in case you haven´t notices there was a brief war on, and Erdogan promises more of it to come, so Trump replaced a losing strategy with one that creates even more losses.

Stop the wars and let's start being a productive nation again.


Right.. stop the wars. You didn´t stop a war, you just decided to stop participating in your war and let other people die by the hundreds for you, because you can not be bothered to give your allies air support, which, let me check, has nothing to do with stopping wars. Supporting genocide also isn´t exactly the foundation of a productive nation. This will haunt you for at least two generations and rightfully so.

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:50 am

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I only wonder, when an accomplished man of this magnitude sounds the alarm....how many MAGA cult boys will line up to attack this guy?


They will, as always, eschew facts and attack the critics.


I just wonder to myself 'what would it take for me to listen to and admire' a person ignorant of nearly everything that matters from family to history to science to ethics, etc..' and accept such person as a leader I should look up to and respect. I mean a man foolish enough not to listen the military which has protected America since day 1. A man who knows nothing calling the shots driving the economy, rendering opinions on things he knows nothing about...just mind boggling.

My brain simply will not allow that..so I have to wonder what would make other (perceived) normal minds proceed with doing so.


BN747


Billions of people believe in different Gods depiste the lack of evidence or even despite strong evidence of the opposite in the last couple of centuries. I honestly don't know what possesses humans to eschew reality and retrench themselves in purely emotional attachements to some beliefs. I personally suspect it's a defense mechanism against a World they fear. Trump certainly was elected on a platform of fear and anger.

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 5:55 am

He is just part of the military-industrial complex and the deep state. The thing Trump is fighting.
 
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You all said he would never be elected in the first place. When people enter the voting booth they are mainly concerned with how well they are doing...


That sentence is a half truth, you see that right?

Here is the part you chose to omit..."When people enter the voting booth they are mainly concerned with how well they are doing and they decided the Obama economy was good and proceeded to vote for Hillary Clinton by 3 million votes (more votes than several state pop.) and an electoral college play allowed the loser to win the office.

Yeah, so don't half-ass the story.

Francoflier wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:

They will, as always, eschew facts and attack the critics.


I just wonder to myself 'what would it take for me to listen to and admire' a person ignorant of nearly everything that matters from family to history to science to ethics, etc..' and accept such person as a leader I should look up to and respect. I mean a man foolish enough not to listen the military which has protected America since day 1. A man who knows nothing calling the shots driving the economy, rendering opinions on things he knows nothing about...just mind boggling.

My brain simply will not allow that..so I have to wonder what would make other (perceived) normal minds proceed with doing so.


BN747


Billions of people believe in different Gods depiste the lack of evidence or even despite strong evidence of the opposite in the last couple of centuries. I honestly don't know what possesses humans to eschew reality and retrench themselves in purely emotional attachements to some beliefs. I personally suspect it's a defense mechanism against a World they fear. Trump certainly was Electoral College Selected on...


Just doing a little house cleaning, let's not first time readers come away with errant ideas.

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:07 am

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He is just part of the military-industrial complex and the deep state. The thing Trump is fighting.


Yeah like he's fighting 'corruption'..and fighting corruption in Ukraine BUT the term 'corruption' does not appear in any of his msgs to Ukraine during the period he claims to have been 'encouraging' them.

The only thing he is actually fighting... is that 52 inch waistline and E.D.....and he's losing both of those.

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:53 am

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BN747 wrote:
I only wonder, when an accomplished man of this magnitude sounds the alarm....how many MAGA cult boys will line up to attack this guy?


They will, as always, eschew facts and attack the critics.
In fact, it looks like I'm an hour late to the party.


No one here has attacked this Admiral and this is a classic liberal playbook tactic. Disagree with us and your attacking our virtue signal. Usually it's a victim of some sort but with Trump they found out quickly that doesn't work so they are going to the opposite end of the spectrum.

This is a great article, just change one word in the title. Replace America with the swamp.
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:06 am

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He can either go and put his and his family's life on the front line or he can shut up. I never thought I'd see the day of so many liberals supporting fruitless and endless wars. No more American deaths for the benefit other countries. They can learn to take care of themselves. Trump is not responsible for the empty promises and bad decisions of previous administrations. Trump has to anseer for American military casualties while he is in office. He is getting us out of these awful places and preserving the lives of some of our best and brightest people.


The world is interconnected, much more than you like I guess. America has benefitted spectacular from being the reserve currency of the world. If you say we need to pull out of everything, your standing in the world - as it is - will fall and thus your influence. Your economy will go down, why should the rest of the world keep supporting the US?
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:12 am

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So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites.


You do realize that ISIS is the courtesy of G:W: Bush Junior and everything related to ISIS is yours to clean up with your money and your blood, right?

Staying in Syria has nothing to do with "Nation Building", its cleaning up your own mess.

At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars.


Yeah.. so consistent.... so you want them charged. Great. Honestly rare to hear that and i applause that. However, GW Senior threw the Kurds under the bus after the 1991 war, GW junior threw them under the Bus, and all of Iraq with with it by withdrawing US forces before his criminal mess was cleaned up, and Trump throws them under the bus for...... well, probably a good real estate deal or something.

If Kurds ever start blowing up American it will be really hard to fault them, considering that they fought your war with their blood and lives and you go all "No AMERICAN lives anymore". .....

But throwing allies to week to defend themselves under the bus kinda is the US modus operandi ... how are all those VIetnamese, and sourrounding countries tribes doing that supported you in Vietnam..... of yeah, they got genocided out of existence after you threw them under to the lions. Well, maybe "concervative" means stabbing your friends in the back, but that would be sad.

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No, everyone needs to keep to themselves and mind their own business. Do that and the world will be a better place. The world can't curse the US but also demand help from them. It doesn't work that way. You don't ask a supposed bully for help.


Okay, but uhhhh that’s not what this WH is doing. KSA continues to export fundie Wahhabism to 10 or more Muslim countries, yet we are helping them with their regional hegemony tussle with Iran. Neither situation comports with ‘keeping to themselves’. So...what gives?
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:17 am

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TTailedTiger wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

You do realize that ISIS is the courtesy of G:W: Bush Junior and everything related to ISIS is yours to clean up with your money and your blood, right?

Staying in Syria has nothing to do with "Nation Building", its cleaning up your own mess.



Yeah.. so consistent.... so you want them charged. Great. Honestly rare to hear that and i applause that. However, GW Senior threw the Kurds under the bus after the 1991 war, GW junior threw them under the Bus, and all of Iraq with with it by withdrawing US forces before his criminal mess was cleaned up, and Trump throws them under the bus for...... well, probably a good real estate deal or something.

If Kurds ever start blowing up American it will be really hard to fault them, considering that they fought your war with their blood and lives and you go all "No AMERICAN lives anymore". .....

But throwing allies to week to defend themselves under the bus kinda is the US modus operandi ... how are all those VIetnamese, and sourrounding countries tribes doing that supported you in Vietnam..... of yeah, they got genocided out of existence after you threw them under to the lions. Well, maybe "concervative" means stabbing your friends in the back, but that would be sad.

best regards
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No, everyone needs to keep to themselves and mind their own business. Do that and the world will be a better place. The world can't curse the US but also demand help from them. It doesn't work that way. You don't ask a supposed bully for help.


Okay, but uhhhh that’s not what this WH is doing. KSA continues to export fundie Wahhabism to 10 or more Muslim countries, yet we are helping them with their regional hegemony tussle with Iran. Neither situation comports with ‘keeping to themselves’. So...what gives?


I don't support that either. I'd love to see the KSA wither away and rot. But at least we are making some progress in leaving that area of the world.
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 7:41 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

No, everyone needs to keep to themselves and mind their own business. Do that and the world will be a better place. The world can't curse the US but also demand help from them. It doesn't work that way. You don't ask a supposed bully for help.


Okay, but uhhhh that’s not what this WH is doing. KSA continues to export fundie Wahhabism to 10 or more Muslim countries, yet we are helping them with their regional hegemony tussle with Iran. Neither situation comports with ‘keeping to themselves’. So...what gives?


I don't support that either. I'd love to see the KSA wither away and rot. But at least we are making some progress in leaving that area of the world.


Good to hear - so maybe you can help when we call out the hypocrisy with investigating Biden. Sure, let’s do that - but WH defenders should be calling for investigation of POTUS’s son in law with equal fervor. Nobody should be absolved just because they’re married to the President’s daughter.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:48 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
casinterest wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
He can either go and put his and his family's life on the front line or he can shut up. I never thought I'd see the day of so many liberals supporting fruitless and endless wars. No more American deaths for the benefit other countries. They can learn to take care of themselves. Trump is not responsible for the empty promises and bad decisions of previous administrations. Trump has to anseer for American military casualties while he is in office. He is getting us out of these awful places and preserving the lives of some of our best and brightest people.


Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about. And you have no clue how millions of people died in the 20th century.


So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites. At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars. Enough is enough. When was the last time the US was in peace time?



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Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:56 am

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Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about.


And you do?

Trump farts, and a thread is posted here. Trump hates cabbage. OMG, he's killing cabbage farmers.

I applaud John McCain for his service, but he was an outright disaster as a Naval officer, thanks to his daddy, the Admiral. McRaven is entitled to his opinion, but I can tell you Trump is held in higher regard than Obama was.
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:18 pm

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He can either go a yound put his and his family's life on the front line or he can shut up. I never thought I'd see the day of so many liberals supporting fruitless and endless wars. No more American deaths for the benefit other countries. They can learn to take care of themselves. Trump is not responsible for the empty promises and bad decisions of previous administrations. Trump has to anseer for American military casualties while he is in office. He is getting us out of these awful places and preserving the lives of some of our best and brightest people.


I never thought I would see the day when a Republican attacks the military.
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:55 pm

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Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about.


And you do?

Trump farts, and a thread is posted here. Trump hates cabbage. OMG, he's killing cabbage farmers.

I applaud John McCain for his service, but he was an outright disaster as a Naval officer, thanks to his daddy, the Admiral. McRaven is entitled to his opinion, but I can tell you Trump is held in higher regard than Obama was.



Some day I want you to go back and look at the Obama posts and who posted all those. I have a good clue as to what it takes to earn high rankings and the admiration of your peers. Admirals have something that others that don't make it to that rank do. And it is respect for those they lead, and the responsibility to lead in a way that doesn't get people killed further down the line.

You whine about McCain and Obama, who have no relevance to the fraud that is currently in office and actually farts and puts 1000 soldiers at Serious risk, and then has to go in 5 days later to arrange a cease fire so they can safely be extracted, while still betraying allies. That is a serious issue, and a serious problem for the US to have as a leader. You notice all these Trade war issues? Watch as we lose ground at each step of the giveback. Trump is unfit to lead. He doesn't care what anyone thinks other than himself. It fits in with a lot of Republicans who don't care how the bills get paid to run this country and who is in service doing it, but it is a disaster for leading the the country.
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The US Government does NOT have a reputation for loyalty to lose. They, like every sovereign body, pursue THEIR interests, not some fictional reputation. Heck, the USG sells out their own citizens, if need be. Just look at Social Security financing and it’s risks. We sold out the Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia in a “cut and run” in living memory along with Kurds, and the Shia Iraqis. Governments don’t have friends or enemies, they have interests.
 
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:49 pm

I see TDS is strong with the Trump defenders today.

Seriously, some try to dump "TDS - Trump Derangement Syndrome" on others who attack Trump or call him out constantly but it is equally if not more so "deranged' to reflexively constantly defend Trump with no logical continuity to what has been done and said in the past.

We all know who will jump to respond and defend Trump... always. And those people obviously have TDS.

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Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:08 pm

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He banged a porn star, and then pulled out early .....

I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself; for some reason the remainder of your sentence got drowned in a flood of laughter. :rotfl:
Nothing to see here; move along please.
 
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He banged a porn star, and then pulled out early .....

I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself; for some reason the remainder of your sentence got drowned in a flood of laughter. :rotfl:


At least someone gets the humor :)

But is sad and true at the same time.
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Trump farts, and a thread is posted here."
As usual, you have only given half the story.
When Trump farts, it is the bestest fart you have ever enjoyed. It takes a modest man to admit that his farts are like a perfume factory. He's just saying it because it's true
(and that is when you find a thread is posted here)

extender wrote:
Trump hates cabbages.
If that is the case, why has he employed so many in top positions in the White House?

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I can tell you Trump is held in higher regard than Obama was.
You're too funny. :rotfl:
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 3:47 pm

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I have a good clue as to what it takes to earn high rankings and the admiration of your peers. Admirals have something that others that don't make it to that rank do. And it is respect for those they lead, and the responsibility to lead in a way that doesn't get people killed further down the line.



Have you served in the US armed forces?
 
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I have a good clue as to what it takes to earn high rankings and the admiration of your peers. Admirals have something that others that don't make it to that rank do. And it is respect for those they lead, and the responsibility to lead in a way that doesn't get people killed further down the line.



Have you served in the US armed forces?


How is that germane to anything? Many of us know veterans, are related to them, or otherwise know a great deal about military history and leadership. This qualifier is no different than you commenting on Mark Zuckerberg and being asked ‘have you started an IT business? are you a corporate change agent?’ See how silly the non sequitur game is?
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TTailedTiger wrote:

So we should continue the madness? I thought you were all against nation building and meddling in the affairs of other nations. You all are nothing but hypocrites.


You do realize that ISIS is the courtesy of G:W: Bush Junior and everything related to ISIS is yours to clean up with your money and your blood, right?

Staying in Syria has nothing to do with "Nation Building", its cleaning up your own mess.

At least I am consistent. I'm a conservative but would love to see GWB and Cheney charged with war crimes and extreme disregard for human life with their fraudulent wars.


Yeah.. so consistent.... so you want them charged. Great. Honestly rare to hear that and i applause that. However, GW Senior threw the Kurds under the bus after the 1991 war, GW junior threw them under the Bus, and all of Iraq with with it by withdrawing US forces before his criminal mess was cleaned up, and Trump throws them under the bus for...... well, probably a good real estate deal or something.

If Kurds ever start blowing up American it will be really hard to fault them, considering that they fought your war with their blood and lives and you go all "No AMERICAN lives anymore". .....

But throwing allies to week to defend themselves under the bus kinda is the US modus operandi ... how are all those VIetnamese, and sourrounding countries tribes doing that supported you in Vietnam..... of yeah, they got genocided out of existence after you threw them under to the lions. Well, maybe "concervative" means stabbing your friends in the back, but that would be sad.

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No, everyone needs to keep to themselves and mind their own business. Do that and the world will be a better place. The world can't curse the US but also demand help from them. It doesn't work that way. You don't ask a supposed bully for help.


We literally heard ZERO conservatives wanting GWB to stay out of Iraq and that he be charged with war crimes. What we did hear, however, was conservatives telling us that Bush, Cheney, Pearl, Wolfowitz, Libby, et al. did nothing wrong and why can't you 'liberals' be patriotic Americans and why do you 'liberals' hate peace and blah blah blah. We are all just supposed to forget all that because now 'liberals' simply hate the current administration and constantly throwing our allies under the bus is a good thing.

Go read 1984 by Orwell.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:11 pm

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Wow, You apparently have no clue what being a Navy Seal and Admiral is all about.


And you do?

Trump farts, and a thread is posted here. Trump hates cabbage. OMG, he's killing cabbage farmers.


OMG!!! OBAMA IS WEARING A TAN SUIT!!! WE HATE HIM!!!
OMG!!! OBAMA IS USING DIJON MUSTARD!!! WE HATE HIM!!!
OMG!!! MICHELLE IS NOT WEARING SLEEVES!!! WE HATE OBAMA!!!
OMG!!! OBAMA IS TRYING TO LOWER OUR HEALTH CARE COSTS!!! WE HATE HIM!!!

And we are "hate filled" for pointing out actual and legal and ethical and moral and strategic reasons why this current administration needs to go. Anything you say, man. Anything you say.

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I applaud John McCain for his service, but he was an outright disaster as a Naval officer, thanks to his daddy, the Admiral. McRaven is entitled to his opinion, but I can tell you Trump is held in higher regard than Obama was.


McCain and McRaven both enlisted. They made a choice to defend this country. By pulling out of Syria and abandoning the Kurds, their job is now more difficult. With the Kurds, our former allies, abandoning detention camps that once held ISIS prisoners, we are less secure. Our military is at greater risk. Their job is now more difficult. How difficult is that to understand? For a group who claims to love the military, your leader is making their lives harder and harder.
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Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:15 pm

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I have a good clue as to what it takes to earn high rankings...
Have you served in the US armed forces?

How is that germane to anything? Many of us know veterans, are related to them, or otherwise know a great deal about military history and leadership. This qualifier is no different than you commenting on Mark Zuckerberg and being asked ‘have you started an IT business? are you a corporate change agent?’ See how silly the non sequitur game is?

I was thinking more of waiting for his next episode of TDS / futile attempt to defend of Trump. The logical counter would surely be to ask if our learned friend "has ever held a position in the White House"?

Trump being Trump, we shouldn't have long to wait for the next calamity... :roll:
Nothing to see here; move along please.
 
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