c933103 wrote:As for liberal protest, again that's nice and cool, until when such sort of protests are no longer being allowed. It is not impossible but it is not sustainable to do nothing against violent suppression.
These 2 things are often being mixed up - protests being not allowed or public events being required to comply with the laws. Legal restrictions on a public event or disapproval of the requested public space is not yet a protest being disallowed.
c933103 wrote:If you cannot see the intrinsic logic behind then you would need to repair your logic based on the most recent election result in Hong Kong where the pro government group failed miserably while calling for stop violence and the pro democracy camp achieved landslide victory by supporting all fractions in the protest including those who use forces.
And this is unfortunate for a few reasons. One being is that these political groups put their interests of being elected ahead of interests of basic functioning of HK’s institutions, and are willing to undermine them in order to get there. Not unlike a coup really - but instead of brute force they use all sorts of other tactics, such as intimidation or discreditation. And second being - in these “pro-democratic camps” there are too many people who are skilled at criticizing things, but not having even a tiny bit of competence required for civil service and building out a society. These people profit (and have vested interest in) things being bad and going downhill, as opposed to seeing them improved.
Right now, HKers think that it will all be just as good, but just democracy will win. But - such “victories” are always accompanied by severe economic degradation at best, and civil wars in too many cases. There are countless examples in this world by now.
c933103 wrote:The reason why sometimes people do not support "their state" is when "their state" no longer treat people as theirs and address their concern, instead treating them like enemies that must be contained.
The state cannot support everything. And in any state, elected officials do have mandate to make decisions on behalf of the whole nation - this is just a representative democracy, nothing else. What we see here is that this “pro-democratic camp” is glad to weaken their own state to just get elected - and such behavior should not be tolerated and supported. And - as I said above - if they destroy their own state, there will be no other to protect them and provide them any sorts of living conditions. People who screwed their own state have only one fate - that of migrant workers, without any rights or future, regardless of origin or educational level.