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Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:42 am
by BN747
trpmb6 wrote:
While you all rejoice you seem to miss that you have almost assuredly given Trump a win in 2020. I'll leave it at that for now. We can revisit my prediction in nov. 2020.


Given that he has a whole year to be like Clinton and accept he's been Impeach and let it with grace and finesse...you already know he will not.

But you are very welcome to keep your fingers crossed and pray that he won't go unhinged for 300 straight days..

..Not a chance in hell, he's shown us his real colors, he's the worst liar in history, he puts Goebbels to absolute shame.

But me, I'm counting stupidity...and he will deliver more, much more.

BN747

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:49 am
by DeltaConnection
I'd love to see Trump removed from office so a real conservative, Mike Pence can takeover. We'd finally have an actual leader, someone presidential, and pass some right leaning laws that aren't over the top like Trump's racist Immigration bans/walls/other crap.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:54 am
by DarkSnowyNight
trpmb6 wrote:
While you all rejoice you seem to miss that you have almost assuredly given Trump a win in 2020. I'll leave it at that for now. We can revisit my prediction in nov. 2020.


Sour Grapes or Silver Linings?

In any case, trump supporters insisted -as cacophonously as they hold to the aforementioned fantasy above- that even this much could not happen. Which was before they insisted that they would hold the House in 2018.

With every loss, the spin is always the same. Pay no mind to how much we are bleeding. We will somehow win this. . .

If you people really are winning all these battles, how come they keep getting closer to home?


Nobody is rejoicing. There is nothing here to celebrate.

So by all means, continue to fantasize that is somehow a good, or even survivable thing for 45.

But there is no mistake. You people are on notice.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:55 am
by NIKV69
trpmb6 wrote:
While you all rejoice you seem to miss that you have almost assuredly given Trump a win in 2020. I'll leave it at that for now. We can revisit my prediction in nov. 2020.


Not to mention the Dem primary is going down the crapper fast. Bloomberg just insulted Biden so Trump winning another term is just about done.

stl07 wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
While you all rejoice you seem to miss that you have almost assuredly given Trump a win in 2020. I'll leave it at that for now. We can revisit my prediction in nov. 2020.

Only like 3 states control the actual results. The people everywhere else argue and debate and make predictions all year long, but their vote never counts since they live in Kansas or New York and the state never changes how it votes in a presidential election. So no matter how stong the Trump turnout is in every state, the turnout that matters is in Michigan, ect where jobs have been leaving and keep leaving. So really, it is a tossup on who can best speak to those voters.


It's more like 6 states.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 2:57 am
by Aaron747
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
While you all rejoice you seem to miss that you have almost assuredly given Trump a win in 2020. I'll leave it at that for now. We can revisit my prediction in nov. 2020.


Sour Grapes or Silver Linings?

In any case, trump supporters insisted -as cacophonously as they hold to the aforementioned fantasy above- that even this much could not happen. Which was before they insisted that they would hold the House in 2018.

If you people really are winning all these battles, how come they keep getting closer to home?


Nobody is rejoicing. There is nothing here to celebrate.

So by all means, continue to fantasize that is somehow a good, or even survivable thing for 45.

But there is no mistake. You people are on notice.


Their feelz are above any concern for the republic or the good of all. It’s a chronic condition at this point. As Rep. Amash said, these steps are purely duty to protect the integrity of the republic.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:04 am
by BN747
I can't wait for the 2020 Campaign showing 'auctioneer Doug Collins threatening to impeach any and everything the next Dem prez does...plenty of footage of the GOP telling us now how they intend to govern - payback and punishment and boy they know trivial ...and how to pursue it (see BJ)!

Collins just gave us tons of campaign footage of their goals...

..oh yeah, people are going stampede for more investigations on everything from who farted to not going to church and praising jeezus!


BN747

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:08 am
by EA CO AS
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Nobody is rejoicing. There is nothing here to celebrate.


Is that why all the House Dems burst into applause after the vote? My thanks to them for that, by the way - Pelosi had to frantically quiet them down when she realized that footage will be a part of every Trump campaign ad going forward.

Sure, they hung an asterisk on President Trump, but in November 2020 he’ll still get re-elected and will get to nominate at least two more Supreme Court picks.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:17 am
by casinterest
EA CO AS wrote:
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Nobody is rejoicing. There is nothing here to celebrate.


Is that why all the House Dems burst into applause after the vote? My thanks to them for that, by the way - Pelosi had to frantically quiet them down when she realized that footage will be a part of every Trump campaign ad going forward.

Sure, they hung an asterisk on President Trump, but in November 2020 he’ll still get re-elected and will get to nominate at least two more Supreme Court picks.


There is plenty to celebrate. Responsible Americans held a dishonorable liar accountable for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

What's even better? The vote on the articles is being withheld until Mitch McConnell guarantees a fair trial. I am sure it will be appealed, and some Federal Court, perhaps one where Merrick Garland presides will have to hear about McConnell's abuses of the Senate.

Either way this will go on for Months, and more members of Congress will have to be pressed on whether Trump did abuse his power or not, and whether he obstructed congress. These congress members of the GOP are going to have to answer as to why there is no accountability for letting Trump lie and undermine US elections.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:18 am
by EA CO AS
This is the FIRST impeachment in American history with bipartisan support AGAINST impeachment.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:21 am
by casinterest
EA CO AS wrote:
This is the FIRST impeachment in American history with bipartisan support AGAINST impeachment.


You mean cowards in the GOP that only argued against process and not against the crimes the president committed. It only proves that the GOP is no longer an American institution. Just a cult of liars.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:25 am
by trpmb6
EA CO AS wrote:
This is the FIRST impeachment in American history with bipartisan support AGAINST impeachment.


So that isnt true actually. Republicans did defect and vote against impeachment of Clinton. However, democrats did vote in favor of impeachment of Clinton. (About 5 of them)

So in truth, the correct statement is to say, this is the first impeachment vote with only one party supporting impeachment. Semantics, but important nonetheless.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:25 am
by Aaron747
casinterest wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
This is the FIRST impeachment in American history with bipartisan support AGAINST impeachment.


You mean cowards in the GOP that only argued against process and not against the crimes the president committed. It only proves that the GOP is no longer an American institution. Just a cult of liars.


Some of them still care about our institutions - but they are drowned out by those who care only about reelection and being invited to WH parties.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:28 am
by Aaron747
EA CO AS wrote:
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Nobody is rejoicing. There is nothing here to celebrate.


Is that why all the House Dems burst into applause after the vote? My thanks to them for that, by the way - Pelosi had to frantically quiet them down when she realized that footage will be a part of every Trump campaign ad going forward.

Sure, they hung an asterisk on President Trump, but in November 2020 he’ll still get re-elected and will get to nominate at least two more Supreme Court picks.


You comment only on the jousting aspect and not the wrongdoing of the WH. Interesting cognitive dissonance. See Lincoln Project thread - some in the GOP still have their heads screwed on straight and care about America, not a single family from NYC.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:28 am
by casinterest
Aaron747 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
This is the FIRST impeachment in American history with bipartisan support AGAINST impeachment.


You mean cowards in the GOP that only argued against process and not against the crimes the president committed. It only proves that the GOP is no longer an American institution. Just a cult of liars.


Some of them still care about our institutions - but they are drowned out by those who care only about reelection and being invited to WH parties.


Not many, and certainly not many within the Senate.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:29 am
by BN747
EA CO AS wrote:
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Nobody is rejoicing. There is nothing here to celebrate.


Is that why all the House Dems burst into applause after the vote? My thanks to them for that, by the way - Pelosi had to frantically quiet them down when she realized that footage will be a part of every Trump campaign ad going forward.

Sure, they hung an asterisk on President Trump, but in November 2020 he’ll still get re-elected and will get to nominate at least two more Supreme Court picks.


...and yet, not a single one of you MAGA doods can tell us from where these 'magical votes' will come from...not one.

I'm sure most of you are counting on Russian assistance (again). (explains why none of you guys speak of Russians, you know who butters your bread).
Voter Roll purging is currently in full throttle in Red states, so that'll help with votes...

So besides all that cheating, and winning fair and square is out of the question...where will the votes materialize?


*Impeachment*...smells like dead whale meat, huh? A like a skunk spray...it's there like forever!
BN747

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:30 am
by trpmb6
casinterest wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
This is the FIRST impeachment in American history with bipartisan support AGAINST impeachment.


You mean cowards in the GOP that only argued against process and not against the crimes the president committed. It only proves that the GOP is no longer an American institution. Just a cult of liars.


I would note, democrats keep claiming the republicans are cracking and not unified. Not united together. This is completely wrong. This is the first time, in my lifetime, I've seen the republicans as unified as they are.

Also, to STL07, I'd just note that since the impeachment proceedings started to now Trump is actually polling better in the 3 states that matter (and a couple that I thought weren't even in play). Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are all up and shockingly minnesota is now in play. That is unheard of.

Impeachment polls well for dems in california and New York city. Everywhere else it's a big loser.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:30 am
by Aaron747
casinterest wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

You mean cowards in the GOP that only argued against process and not against the crimes the president committed. It only proves that the GOP is no longer an American institution. Just a cult of liars.


Some of them still care about our institutions - but they are drowned out by those who care only about reelection and being invited to WH parties.


Not many, and certainly not many within the Senate.


I think there are more than we know. Even the party-line vote in the House is partly endemic of the fact we’re not in 1868 or 1973 anymore and many in the GOP need to be wary of their social media accounts and video capture of every word said.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:40 am
by casinterest
trpmb6 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
This is the FIRST impeachment in American history with bipartisan support AGAINST impeachment.


You mean cowards in the GOP that only argued against process and not against the crimes the president committed. It only proves that the GOP is no longer an American institution. Just a cult of liars.


I would note, democrats keep claiming the republicans are cracking and not unified. Not united together. This is completely wrong. This is the first time, in my lifetime, I've seen the republicans as unified as they are.

Also, to STL07, I'd just note that since the impeachment proceedings started to now Trump is actually polling better in the 3 states that matter (and a couple that I thought weren't even in play). Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are all up and shockingly minnesota is now in play. That is unheard of.

Impeachment polls well for dems in california and New York city. Everywhere else it's a big loser.


Unified on a lie. That is nothing to be proud of. The GOP is retreating to it's own swamp and is not operating in the best interests of clarity or transparency. The money and purity tests required of the GOP are turning out to be a giant poison pill.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 3:45 am
by BN747
casinterest wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
casinterest wrote:

You mean cowards in the GOP that only argued against process and not against the crimes the president committed. It only proves that the GOP is no longer an American institution. Just a cult of liars.


I would note, democrats keep claiming the republicans are cracking and not unified. Not united together. This is completely wrong. This is the first time, in my lifetime, I've seen the republicans as unified as they are.

Also, to STL07, I'd just note that since the impeachment proceedings started to now Trump is actually polling better in the 3 states that matter (and a couple that I thought weren't even in play). Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania are all up and shockingly minnesota is now in play. That is unheard of.

Impeachment polls well for dems in california and New York city. Everywhere else it's a big loser.


Unified on a lie. That is nothing to be proud of. The GOP is retreating to it's own swamp and is not operating in the best interests of clarity or transparency. The money and purity tests required of the GOP are turning out to be a giant poison pill.


Unified around the Worst LIAR in western history....not something to brag about.

BN747

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:03 am
by casinterest

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:14 am
by DarkSnowyNight
Aaron747 wrote:
Their feelz are above any concern for the republic or the good of all. It’s a chronic condition at this point. As Rep. Amash said, these steps are purely duty to protect the integrity of the republic.


Indeed, yes. It is not unlikely that behind closed doors, there are more than a few members of the GOP experiencing some relief.

The MAGA end of that party is indeed off the rails and do indeed have no interest in preserving the republic. The way those people (try to) speak about other Americans tells us all we need to know.

casinterest wrote:


There is plenty to celebrate. Responsible Americans held a dishonorable liar accountable for abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.


I will take your point. Mine was simply that it is a travesty that America has allowed itself to be coopted by people so nakedly villainous. That it had to come to this.

Yes, it is good to see that this is now in work, but we have a long way to go. Like most criminal elements, the MAGAs will not simply disappear. The amount of patriotism and effort to cure this problem will be incredible.

EA CO AS wrote:
Is that why all the House Dems burst into applause after the vote? My thanks to them for that, by the way - Pelosi had to frantically quiet them down when she realized that footage will be a part of every Trump campaign ad going forward.


No doubt, you are more interested in continued daydreaming than see what is actually underway. And this is fine.

But you should know that Pelosi did not actually want this to happen. Apart from this being an incredibly divisive event, the GOP implosion this is certain to cause over the next 40 days or so will open a lot of doors for the more progressive elements of her party.

While Pelosi has her district for life and will likely gain prominence as a result of this, having to deal with a more powerful left wing is something a centrist in her position would rather not.

Now you know this. . .

casinterest wrote:

Not many, and certainly not many within the Senate.



More than you may think. Up to 25 Senators from the GOP have indicated the will vote Guilty if he indeed is.

I understand some this is Favor Signaling to McConnell, but even then, trump would be foolish to assume he somehow not in serious jeopardy.

Aaron747 wrote:

I think there are more than we know. Even the party-line vote in the House is partly endemic of the fact we’re not in 1868 or 1973 anymore and many in the GOP need to be wary of their social media accounts and video capture of every word said.


Indeed. A lot of states are up for reelection too, and even among reds, there will be some close calls. I would not wish to be a Republican incumbent up against a charismatic opponent and have on the record as voting to free an obviously guilty man.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:16 am
by BN747
casinterest wrote:


Something you will never see on Fox News.


BN747

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:15 am
by Aaron747
Now another GOP group taking aim at Senator Graham:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/475 ... nate-trial

“Lindsey Graham, the rules of a fair trial haven't changed, why have you?" the ad narrator continues. "Let the witnesses testify."

Graham said Wednesday that he will reject attempts to call witnesses during Trump’s Senate trial, and on Sunday he said he is ready to vote and doesn’t need to hear from any witnesses.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:19 am
by BN747
Aaron747 wrote:
Now another GOP group taking aim at Senator Graham:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/475 ... nate-trial

“Lindsey Graham, the rules of a fair trial haven't changed, why have you?" the ad narrator continues. "Let the witnesses testify."

Graham said Wednesday that he will reject attempts to call witnesses during Trump’s Senate trial, and on Sunday he said he is ready to vote and doesn’t need to hear from any witnesses.


May they make a gallant stand starting in S.C.

BN747

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:26 am
by Aaron747
BN747 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Now another GOP group taking aim at Senator Graham:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/475 ... nate-trial

“Lindsey Graham, the rules of a fair trial haven't changed, why have you?" the ad narrator continues. "Let the witnesses testify."

Graham said Wednesday that he will reject attempts to call witnesses during Trump’s Senate trial, and on Sunday he said he is ready to vote and doesn’t need to hear from any witnesses.


May they make a gallant stand starting in S.C.

BN747


Good to know there is still a public price to pay for lacking integrity.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:08 am
by aerosreenivas
Is the delay of Impeachment trial in the Senate going to affect the strategy of McConnell in saving Trump from getting impeached?

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:12 am
by tommy1808
aerosreenivas wrote:
Is the delay of Impeachment trial in the Senate going to affect the strategy of McConnell in saving Trump from getting impeached?


He already is impeached. Strategy is obviously Jury tempering.

best regards
Thomas

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:36 am
by N14AZ
Some very nice headlines and comments in the German press today. One comment I really like is (roughly translated):

The US -American constitution does not provide for a king, someone above the law. But what if the center of the population wants to have a king, i.e. a president who acts as if he is above the law? :scratchchin:

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:11 pm
by EA CO AS
BN747 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Now another GOP group taking aim at Senator Graham:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/475 ... nate-trial

“Lindsey Graham, the rules of a fair trial haven't changed, why have you?" the ad narrator continues. "Let the witnesses testify."

Graham said Wednesday that he will reject attempts to call witnesses during Trump’s Senate trial, and on Sunday he said he is ready to vote and doesn’t need to hear from any witnesses.


May they make a gallant stand starting in S.C.

BN747


If the House wasn’t willing to hear from any Republican witnesses, why should the GOP-controlled Senate allow it? What’s good for the goose...

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:35 pm
by trpmb6
In a post that's now been deleted.. I noted that Pelosi may try to hold it back anyways. Which just kind of shows how the Democrats actually view this whole articles of impeachment.

It's kind of rich that the left is now claiming foul against the republicans for how they will conduct the trial after how the democrats conducted the impeachment hearings.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 4:37 pm
by tommy1808
EA CO AS wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Now another GOP group taking aim at Senator Graham:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/475 ... nate-trial

“Lindsey Graham, the rules of a fair trial haven't changed, why have you?" the ad narrator continues. "Let the witnesses testify."

Graham said Wednesday that he will reject attempts to call witnesses during Trump’s Senate trial, and on Sunday he said he is ready to vote and doesn’t need to hear from any witnesses.


May they make a gallant stand starting in S.C.

BN747


If the House wasn’t willing to hear from any Republican witnesses, why should the GOP-controlled Senate allow it? What’s good for the goose...


They where willing, Republicans had witnesses and even the President was invited to join.

If a juror says he is not planning to be impartial, you replace the juror...

Best regards
Thomas

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:11 pm
by EA CO AS
tommy1808 wrote:
They where willing


Hogwash. They did not permit fact witnesses to be called and did not allow questioning by Republicans of those who who were called. I’m actually embarrassed for the Democrats.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:16 pm
by Dogman
EA CO AS wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
They where willing


Hogwash. They did not permit fact witnesses to be called and did not allow questioning by Republicans of those who who were called. I’m actually embarrassed for the Democrats.

I've heard they wanted to call Hunter Biden as a witness. No wonder that the democrats refused.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:19 pm
by casinterest
Dogman wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
They where willing


Hogwash. They did not permit fact witnesses to be called and did not allow questioning by Republicans of those who who were called. I’m actually embarrassed for the Democrats.

I've heard they wanted to call Hunter Biden as a witness. No wonder that the democrats refused.


I think the democrats should call Barron Trump. It would make just as much sense as calling Hunter Biden.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:20 pm
by casinterest
trpmb6 wrote:
In a post that's now been deleted.. I noted that Pelosi may try to hold it back anyways. Which just kind of shows how the Democrats actually view this whole articles of impeachment.

It's kind of rich that the left is now claiming foul against the republicans for how they will conduct the trial after how the democrats conducted the impeachment hearings.


Why move forward when McConnell has already said he is not going to honor his duties. Remember this is the same dishonorable Senate Leader that did not move forward on a Supreme Court judge appointment during Obama's term.

There is no honor in dealing with McConnell.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:24 pm
by seb146
trpmb6 wrote:
In a post that's now been deleted.. I noted that Pelosi may try to hold it back anyways. Which just kind of shows how the Democrats actually view this whole articles of impeachment.

It's kind of rich that the left is now claiming foul against the republicans for how they will conduct the trial after how the democrats conducted the impeachment hearings.


Two of the jurors have already made up their minds. McConnell is not wanting any witnesses at all. What kind of trial is that? Neither side being able to call witnesses? Republicans have demanded they want witnesses called. Even after calling their own witnesses in the impeachment inquiry, they still want witnesses called. Well, here is that chance. Pelosi's long game is brilliant. Show Americans who these MAGA people really are. That they do not care about the Constitution. That they only want a king or emperor or grand poobah or whatever.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:25 pm
by casinterest
On the Articles of Impeachment,
Just Remember, McConnell has been seduced into zero dimensional chess by Trump.
Pelosi is playing the longer game.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/1 ... yer-087319
Blumenauer argued that the House could use the delay to continue to build on its evidence for impeachment, and possibly to score additional legal victories that could unlock troves of new evidence and witness testimony that the Trump administration has withheld from Congress. Some of those court cases could be decided within weeks.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:25 pm
by tommy1808
EA CO AS wrote:
did not allow questioning by Republicans of those who who were called.


Yeah?

hearing rules wrote:
"The chair and ranking minority member of the Permanent Select Committee shall be permitted to question witnesses for equal specified periods of longer than five minutes, as determined by the chair. The time available for each period of questioning under this paragraph shall be equal for the chair and the ranking minority member."


Best regards
Thomas

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:29 pm
by seb146
EA CO AS wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
They where willing


Hogwash. They did not permit fact witnesses to be called and did not allow questioning by Republicans of those who who were called. I’m actually embarrassed for the Democrats.


There was a Republican fact witness. I had a conversation about him in this thread, I believe. All the other fact witnesses, apparently, were biased and didn't know what they were talking about but the one Republican fact witness, who gave nearly letter for letter testimony as all the other fact witnesses, was brilliant.

Republicans had every opportunity to question every witness. Instead, they went off on unhinged rants about debunked conspiracy theories and said "Hunter Biden" as much as they could.

If Hunter Biden's job was such a threat, why didn't Republicans investigate him when they were in control of both houses of Congress? Two of those years were even when Joe Biden was vice president. I keep asking this question and all I get is deflection or silence. You seem to be an authority on all things Republican, EA CO AS, so, tell us: why didn't you guys investigate Hunter Biden literally any day 2014-2018?

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 5:46 pm
by Dogman
seb146 wrote:
Pelosi's long game is brilliant. Show Americans who these MAGA people really are. That they do not care about the Constitution. That they only want a king or emperor or grand poobah or whatever.

Those who haven't seen who the MAGA crowd is by now, never will. I think that Pelosi game is, that by not sending it to senate she denies Trump an opportunity to hold up the senate acquittal and claim that he was vindicated and the impeachment was a hoax. The majority of Trump supporters do not understand the process of impeachment, and remember only the last thing that happened. So, if the senate acquits then the last thing in the sequence of events will be positive for Trump and in the mind of his supporters he will proven right once again. As it is, the last thing that they remember is him being impeached.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:50 pm
by BN747
tommy1808 wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
BN747 wrote:

May they make a gallant stand starting in S.C.

BN747


If the House wasn’t willing to hear from any Republican witnesses, why should the GOP-controlled Senate allow it? What’s good for the goose...


They where willing, Republicans had witnesses and even the President was invited to join.

If a juror says he is not planning to be impartial, you replace the juror...

Best regards
Thomas


Hunter Biden??? For what? He wasn't in on the call ...his only relevance is related 'how he got his job via his dad's connection, an entirely direction discussion with zero impact on the trump Zelensky call that triggered this whole Ukraine hold the aid until' scheme.

GOP never had - direct 1st hand contacts that are needed such as Bolton, Mulvaney, Guiliani...no 1st hand people at all...just people willing sell the Putin version as directed by trump....a giant lie and false premise.

The Hunter Biden is only alive because the nepotism smell (which it blatantly is)...but that makes calling in Jared Kushner to question his skillset qualifying his for ME peace negotiator, health care specialist, international ambassador-at large, and on and on with this charade..he's only good at fleecing people and bad real estate deals.

GOP only wanted the clog the process, playing for time with a docket of 'junk witnesses', hell haul in trump if they want a witness...they still can. But they won't...because they know that a 1sy tear paralegal could slice and dice him on the witness chair.

BN747

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 6:53 pm
by BN747
Dogman wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Pelosi's long game is brilliant. Show Americans who these MAGA people really are. That they do not care about the Constitution. That they only want a king or emperor or grand poobah or whatever.

Those who haven't seen who the MAGA crowd is by now, never will. I think that Pelosi game is, that by not sending it to senate she denies Trump an opportunity to hold up the senate acquittal and claim that he was vindicated and the impeachment was a hoax. The majority of Trump supporters do not understand the process of impeachment, and remember only the last thing that happened. So, if the senate acquits then the last thing in the sequence of events will be positive for Trump and in the mind of his supporters he will proven right once again. As it is, the last thing that they remember is him being impeached.


Precisely, can you imagine that crap he'd dream of if he were allowed to pull that off and engineer his own vindication...not a f'n chance!

He'd shift his silliness into overdrive gear 5.


BN747

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 7:10 pm
by BN747
BN747 wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
While you all rejoice you seem to miss that you have almost assuredly given Trump a win in 2020. I'll leave it at that for now. We can revisit my prediction in nov. 2020.


Given that he has a whole year to be like Clinton and accept he's been Impeach and let it with grace and finesse...you already know he will not.

But you are very welcome to keep your fingers crossed and pray that he won't go unhinged for 300 straight days..

..Not a chance in hell, he's shown us his real colors, he's the worst liar in history, he puts Goebbels to absolute shame.

But me, I'm counting stupidity...and he will deliver more, much more.

BN747


Wow...it just took a half a day to commit a king sized Fubar...in Michigan last nite at a MAGA rally, he torched a Mich. favorite tied to saving auto industry, the late Rep. Dingell, a popular figure in the state...saying 'he's burning in Hell'...

...300+ more days remaining, that is a ton of opportunity to commit 100s of Acts of Ignorance!

BN747

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:18 pm
by SanDiegoLover
casinterest wrote:


How we got here is because the Republicans continued to chase the wingnut fringe year after year since Newt Gingrich in 1994. Also, by pandering to the evangelicals and letting them expand their power, compromise has become verboten for Republicans. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... right.html

In America we need two healthy parties, and the Republicans just get sicker and sicker, both as a party and as a voting bloc, as its constituents get older, whiter, angrier, and more male. Demographics are going to render the Republican Party impotent and unable to win any national elections. Republicans have only won the majority of votes for President once in 28 years. This demographic time bomb has been on the radar for 15+ years, and Republicans have failed to change their ways. That future is now. In 2018 GenX, Millennials, and GenZ became the majority of voters, and hence the blue wave, and the pickup of 40+ seats in the House. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... -midterms/

Trump is despised, and Republicans spurned the younger you get. Americans by-in-large vote in similar fashion throughout their lives as they gel their attitudes from 18-22. Those coming of age during Reagan and the 80s are still voting Republican today. Look at how unpopular Trump and Republicans are by the younger generations (under50). Support and preferences by generation.... ( https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch ... 5217989704 )

GenZ - 54% Democrats / 30% Republican
Millennials - 51% Democrats / 33% Republican
GenX - 45% Democrats / 41% Republican
Baby Boomers - 45% Democrats / 44% Republican
Silent & Older - 41% Democrats / 51% Republican

Look at the polling...GenZ prefers Biden, Warren, Sanders by nearly 40% over Trump. Even Buttigieg leads Trump by 28% over Trump. Millennials prefer Biden, Warren, or Sanders by 28% over Trump. GenX they lead by 6% to 9% over Trump.

Even young Republicans are moving left, and beginning to disagree with the old, angry, white dude, philosophy of today’s Republican Party.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/g ... nials.html

Make no mistake, the Republican Party will not self-correct after Trump. It will continue its factionalism until it is throughly beaten down, with no hope of winning control of anything. Only then is reform possible. But Republicans will be in darkness for 12 to 20 years. https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/08/0 ... ter-trump/

Make no mistake...if the under 55 year olds show up as they did in 2018 Republicans will be lamenting they refused to take heed of the 2012 postmortem report on the future of the Republican Party.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2019 8:38 pm
by casinterest
SanDiegoLover wrote:
casinterest wrote:


How we got here is because the Republicans continued to chase the wingnut fringe year after year since Newt Gingrich in 1994. Also, by pandering to the evangelicals and letting them expand their power, compromise has become verboten for Republicans. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/201 ... right.html

In America we need two healthy parties, and the Republicans just get sicker and sicker, both as a party and as a voting bloc, as its constituents get older, whiter, angrier, and more male. Demographics are going to render the Republican Party impotent and unable to win any national elections. Republicans have only won the majority of votes for President once in 28 years. This demographic time bomb has been on the radar for 15+ years, and Republicans have failed to change their ways. That future is now. In 2018 GenX, Millennials, and GenZ became the majority of voters, and hence the blue wave, and the pickup of 40+ seats in the House. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2 ... -midterms/

Trump is despised, and Republicans spurned the younger you get. Americans by-in-large vote in similar fashion throughout their lives as they gel their attitudes from 18-22. Those coming of age during Reagan and the 80s are still voting Republican today. Look at how unpopular Trump and Republicans are by the younger generations (under50). Support and preferences by generation.... ( https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch ... 5217989704 )

GenZ - 54% Democrats / 30% Republican
Millennials - 51% Democrats / 33% Republican
GenX - 45% Democrats / 41% Republican
Baby Boomers - 45% Democrats / 44% Republican
Silent & Older - 41% Democrats / 51% Republican

Look at the polling...GenZ prefers Biden, Warren, Sanders by nearly 40% over Trump. Even Buttigieg leads Trump by 28% over Trump. Millennials prefer Biden, Warren, or Sanders by 28% over Trump. GenX they lead by 6% to 9% over Trump.

Even young Republicans are moving left, and beginning to disagree with the old, angry, white dude, philosophy of today’s Republican Party.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/23/us/g ... nials.html

Make no mistake, the Republican Party will not self-correct after Trump. It will continue its factionalism until it is throughly beaten down, with no hope of winning control of anything. Only then is reform possible. But Republicans will be in darkness for 12 to 20 years. https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/08/0 ... ter-trump/

Make no mistake...if the under 55 year olds show up as they did in 2018 Republicans will be lamenting they refused to take heed of the 2012 postmortem report on the future of the Republican Party.



I agree with your statement, but that is for another thread. My point was on the impeachment itself. Your's is a plot line that definitely shows how the river is currently flowing.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 12:24 am
by BN747
Heavens to Betsy, trump being treated worse than jesus???

GOP Rep. Claims Trump Is Being Treated Worse Than Jesus...Yes, that Jesus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gop-rep- ... 34791a6322


Republican Rep. Barry Loudermilk, must have been in the same Drama class and dumbass Ben 'ACA is worse than Slavery' Carson.

Another one swan-dived off the cliff with that one.

But could help but critique his juxtaposition.

First of there's no way fat ass trump could lift the cross..someone has to carry it for him.
One zap of the lash and he'll crumble to his knees faster than those standing in lie to kiss his ass.
Then when they'd put him to the cross, 6 guys..maybe 10 will have to lift him...
They'd better plan this properly, if not..as soon as the hoist him his huge porky belly will be subject to gravity which will put him forrward to come crashing on his face.

It'll be the worst botched crucifixtion ever...

There guys need to higher 'thinkers' before they make comments meant to invoke sympathy.

BN747

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 8:16 am
by scbriml
BN747 wrote:
Heavens to Betsy, trump being treated worse than jesus???

GOP Rep. Claims Trump Is Being Treated Worse Than Jesus...Yes, that Jesus.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/gop-rep- ... 34791a6322


Republican Rep. Barry Loudermilk, must have been in the same Drama class and dumbass Ben 'ACA is worse than Slavery' Carson.

Another one swan-dived off the cliff with that one.

But could help but critique his juxtaposition.

First of there's no way fat ass trump could lift the cross..someone has to carry it for him.
One zap of the lash and he'll crumble to his knees faster than those standing in lie to kiss his ass.
Then when they'd put him to the cross, 6 guys..maybe 10 will have to lift him...
They'd better plan this properly, if not..as soon as the hoist him his huge porky belly will be subject to gravity which will put him forrward to come crashing on his face.

It'll be the worst botched crucifixtion ever...

There guys need to higher 'thinkers' before they make comments meant to invoke sympathy.

BN747


I thought he was talking about Jesus, his gardener!

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 11:23 am
by ltbewr
So, now the 2 Articles are to go to the Senate for trial, but when is the question. It seems it will be delayed until the Democrats in the House and the Republicans in the Senate decide on the testimony of witnesses. Democrats for sure want some key persons with direct knowledge of the events the Article are based on to support them, the Republicans only if they get the Bidens and a few others to try to weaken the Articles. Still, Trump is forever in history tagged with being only the 3rd President to ever faced Impeachment charges. That is something that while he is very unlikely to be removed from office is an important censure of his polices and behaviors, well beyond that cited in the Articles of Impeachment.

The House Democrats still have to appoint Managers, in effect the prosecutors for the Senate Trial but won't do so until the basic rules, especially as to witnesses are worked out. Pres. Trump had flip-flopped on the issue of witnesses, he would want the Bidens, but not any of his current of former staff unless they do so with complete loyalty to him and not the country. Some Republicans do think that some witnesses with direct knowledge of the issues in the Articles should be allowed.

The Chief Justice of the SCOTUS will be the presiding Judge much like a Criminal trial, making critical decisions on in effect motion as to who and how of witnesses and some day to day procedures. However the CJ's rulings can be overruled by a simple majority of the Senators.

To me a consensus will be developed by early January to allow likely 3-4 witnesses for each side and with very limited time to have them testify and the Articles forwarded to the Senate. The Democrats do not want to tie up the trial into February and cutting into the campaigning for the Presidential primaries as several candidates are sitting Senators, the Republicans want it done ASAP to remove the trial and expected acquittal from the memory of voters.

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:26 am
by CaptHadley
From drumpfs twitter:
"Nancy Pelosi is looking for a Quid Pro Quo with the Senate. Why aren’t we Impeaching her?"
23,410 replies22,050 retweets86,274 likes
Reply 23K

Seriously, this guy has to be the dumbest MF'er on the planet. And yet there are some on this site who worship him? Why? I mean don't you think there is somebody else just a tad better? It really does show the state of ones mental faculties when they support/defend someone like him. I wonder who ties his shoes for him, maybe velcro?

Re: The Impeachment Hearings

Posted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 12:48 am
by Aaron747
CaptHadley wrote:
From drumpfs twitter:
"Nancy Pelosi is looking for a Quid Pro Quo with the Senate. Why aren’t we Impeaching her?"
23,410 replies22,050 retweets86,274 likes
Reply 23K

Seriously, this guy has to be the dumbest MF'er on the planet. And yet there are some on this site who worship him? Why? I mean don't you think there is somebody else just a tad better? It really does show the state of ones mental faculties when they support/defend someone like him. I wonder who ties his shoes for him, maybe velcro?


I am consistently amazed by the staggering amount of entitled whining a 73 year-old with plenty of life comforts can do. It’s like seeing a senior male version of a spoiled teenage girl on TV daily. And this is ‘heroic’ and ‘alpha’ to insecure men around the country? The mind boggles.