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Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:56 am

Harajuku Station, the oldest wooden railway station in Tokyo is planned to be demolished after the 2020 Summer Olympics in Tokyo. Th he decision was made after the operator, JR East consulted with local businesses owners and Shibuya Ward over concerns about fire safety standards. The old station will be replaced with a new building set to open on March 21 next year and is being constructed using materials that meet fire safety standards, but recreating the old station as fathfuly as possible. I feel that the old station should be preserved for another purpose like a museum and that fire retardant coating should be applied to the existing wooden structure, therefore preserving the Old station for future generations to come. It is a sad loss for such a beautiful and historic building.
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20191119_55/
 
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:05 am

for a moment I thought you were talking about the train station under the airport. I was wondering how they were going to do that. That said it's a beautiful building photo in your link.
 
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:09 am

Other than being "oldest", does it have any other historical value?
 
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:40 am

johns624 wrote:
Other than being "oldest", does it have any other historical value?

It is a very beautiful building architecturally.
 
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Thu Nov 28, 2019 3:04 am

Both urban historic preservation and adherence to fire safety standards are a total joke in Japan.
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Thu Nov 28, 2019 5:42 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
Other than being "oldest", does it have any other historical value?


It is a very beautiful building architecturally.


It's not a bad looking building, but buildings built in the "Tudor Revival" style are anything but rare since that style was very popular in the 1920s and thousands of examples survive to this day.

Although they say it is being replaced due to concerns over it's fire resistance, I suspect a much bigger concern in Japan would be Harajuku Station's lack of built-in earthquake resistant elements. Building a new station allows JR East to incorporate improved amenities such as food availability and modern restrooms as well as increased fire and earthquake safety.
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Thu Nov 28, 2019 8:15 am

So everyone knows exactly what is being discussed, here a pic of the station-

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Several much better examples of this style from one street in Birmingham proving my assertion that the "Tudor Revival" style is far from rare:

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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Thu Nov 28, 2019 4:38 pm

TSS wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
Other than being "oldest", does it have any other historical value?


It is a very beautiful building architecturally.


It's not a bad looking building, but buildings built in the "Tudor Revival" style are anything but rare since that style was very popular in the 1920s and thousands of examples survive to this day.

Although they say it is being replaced due to concerns over it's fire resistance, I suspect a much bigger concern in Japan would be Harajuku Station's lack of built-in earthquake resistant elements. Building a new station allows JR East to incorporate improved amenities such as food availability and modern restrooms as well as increased fire and earthquake safety.

Would it be possible to bring Harajuku Station up to fire and earthquake resistance standards.
 
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Fri Nov 29, 2019 6:09 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
TSS wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:

It is a very beautiful building architecturally.


It's not a bad looking building, but buildings built in the "Tudor Revival" style are anything but rare since that style was very popular in the 1920s and thousands of examples survive to this day.

Although they say it is being replaced due to concerns over it's fire resistance, I suspect a much bigger concern in Japan would be Harajuku Station's lack of built-in earthquake resistant elements. Building a new station allows JR East to incorporate improved amenities such as food availability and modern restrooms as well as increased fire and earthquake safety.


Would it be possible to bring Harajuku Station up to fire and earthquake resistance standards?


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Maybe, but it would cost much more to do so than it would to simply build another station. Unreinforced masonry is great for fire resistance but tends to crumble and collapse in an earthquake. Wood structures have enough natural "give" to do well in earthquakes but are highly susceptible to damage by fire. Harajuku Station contains elements of both. Metal framed structures are the best compromise between the two, but adapting effective metal framing to an existing wood and masonry building is a nightmarishly challenging and expensive undertaking. Beyond the framing aspect, one of best defenses against earthquake damage is a strong, deep, reinforced foundation which, going by when it was built, Harajuku Station almost certainly does not possess.

Harajuku Station is cute, but has no real architectural significance whatsoever. It's old enough to be outdated, but not old enough to be considered "historical" and worthy of preservation. It has served it's purpose and needs to be replaced with a safe, convenient, modern structure.

Salt Lake City Airport is currently being rebuilt with an eye towards earthquake safety and survivability, but also to turn it from the chopped-up, added-on-to, mess that it was into a cohesive and easily expandable facility for the future. Have a look at the photos at the bottom of the progress gallery to see what sort of foundation needs to go into the ground before above-ground construction even starts in earthquake-prone areas-

https://slcairport.com/thenewslc/rebuild-progress-gallery/
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:01 am

There is however a possibility that Harajuku Station may be relocated and preserved as evidenced in this article.
https://soranews24.com/2019/11/20/haraj ... ralympics/
 
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Sat Nov 30, 2019 6:11 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
There is however a possibility that Harajuku Station may be relocated and preserved as evidenced in this article.
https://soranews24.com/2019/11/20/haraj ... ralympics/


Did we read the same article? The one I read is titled "Harajuku Station will be demolished after the Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics". Within the body of the article it states A JR East representative said, “There were people who voiced opinions over wanting to preserve its long history, but for safety reasons the decision was made to demolish the building”. Near the bottom of the article there is this While JR East has made no mention as to whether or not the building will be preserved and relocated, which has been the case for a number of historic buildings in Japan’s past, many people are now holding on to the hope that the building won’t be simply torn down and completely lost forever, a statement that directly conflicts with the statement by a JR East representative earlier in the article.

As is almost always the case in such situations, there were uncredited comments posted such as “Can’t they carefully dismantle it and move it to another location?” and “The option of relocation is a must!”, yet neither one of these quotes appear to have been accompanied by an offer to fund the careful dismantling, transportation, and reassembly of the station nor, much more important in space-constrained Japan, the offer of an appropriately large parcel of land upon which the station could be rebuilt.
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Sat Dec 07, 2019 3:05 am

TSS wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
There is however a possibility that Harajuku Station may be relocated and preserved as evidenced in this article.
https://soranews24.com/2019/11/20/haraj ... ralympics/


Did we read the same article? The one I read is titled "Harajuku Station will be demolished after the Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics". Within the body of the article it states A JR East representative said, “There were people who voiced opinions over wanting to preserve its long history, but for safety reasons the decision was made to demolish the building”. Near the bottom of the article there is this While JR East has made no mention as to whether or not the building will be preserved and relocated, which has been the case for a number of historic buildings in Japan’s past, many people are now holding on to the hope that the building won’t be simply torn down and completely lost forever, a statement that directly conflicts with the statement by a JR East representative earlier in the article.

As is almost always the case in such situations, there were uncredited comments posted such as “Can’t they carefully dismantle it and move it to another location?” and “The option of relocation is a must!”, yet neither one of these quotes appear to have been accompanied by an offer to fund the careful dismantling, transportation, and reassembly of the station nor, much more important in space-constrained Japan, the offer of an appropriately large parcel of land upon which the station could be rebuilt.

I could possibly see Harajuku Station becoming part of a historical park in Japan.
 
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Sat Dec 07, 2019 5:08 pm

ArchGuy1 wrote:
TSS wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
There is however a possibility that Harajuku Station may be relocated and preserved as evidenced in this article.
https://soranews24.com/2019/11/20/haraj ... ralympics/


Did we read the same article? The one I read is titled "Harajuku Station will be demolished after the Tokyo Olympics and Paralympics". Within the body of the article it states A JR East representative said, “There were people who voiced opinions over wanting to preserve its long history, but for safety reasons the decision was made to demolish the building”. Near the bottom of the article there is this While JR East has made no mention as to whether or not the building will be preserved and relocated, which has been the case for a number of historic buildings in Japan’s past, many people are now holding on to the hope that the building won’t be simply torn down and completely lost forever, a statement that directly conflicts with the statement by a JR East representative earlier in the article.

As is almost always the case in such situations, there were uncredited comments posted such as “Can’t they carefully dismantle it and move it to another location?” and “The option of relocation is a must!”, yet neither one of these quotes appear to have been accompanied by an offer to fund the careful dismantling, transportation, and reassembly of the station nor, much more important in space-constrained Japan, the offer of an appropriately large parcel of land upon which the station could be rebuilt.


I could possibly see Harajuku Station becoming part of a historical park in Japan.


Where is this park and who will pay to have Harajuku Station disassembled, moved there, and reassembled on site? Japan does have a Disneyland and several similar theme parks where an old-timey train station might fit in, but for all of them it would probably be easier and cheaper to build a scaled-down replica of Harajuku station out of modern materials than it would to move the real thing to the park.
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Re: Railway Station in Tokyo to be Demolished

Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:35 pm

TSS wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
Other than being "oldest", does it have any other historical value?


It is a very beautiful building architecturally.


It's not a bad looking building, but buildings built in the "Tudor Revival" style are anything but rare since that style was very popular in the 1920s and thousands of examples survive to this day.

Although they say it is being replaced due to concerns over it's fire resistance, I suspect a much bigger concern in Japan would be Harajuku Station's lack of built-in earthquake resistant elements. Building a new station allows JR East to incorporate improved amenities such as food availability and modern restrooms as well as increased fire and earthquake safety.


My first thought when I saw the photo of the station was "Alpine".

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