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Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:00 am

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I think they just shoehorned the Palpatine aspect for Ray and there shouldve been more "i didnt see that coming" parts. Bit ultimately i give it 7/10, pretty good, definitely the strongest of the latest trilogy.
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Sat Dec 21, 2019 7:31 am

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I think they just shoehorned the Palpatine aspect for Ray and there shouldve been more "i didnt see that coming" parts.
I went in with very low expectations. But really liked it.

It’s a real shame that the trilogy was not directed by one person from the start. Rian Johnson (director TLJ) really killed of a lot of potential and story lines just for the sake of “I did not see that coming”. Not only did that make TLJ a terrible movie, it made ROS a lot harder.

I am happy that JJ Abrams undid some of the bigger **** ups Rian did. For instance killing of general Hux (sp?), who after TLJ had just become comic relief. And JJ managed to put in a nice FU to Johnson as well. (the Holdo move being a 1 in a million fluke, never to be mentioned again)

I kept myself away from any spoilers. So I did not see Rey being a Palpatine coming. But it does make sense and explains why she’s such a Deus-Ex-Rey.

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Sat Dec 21, 2019 11:00 am

I’ll take my time - with the exception of ‘Rogue One’, these sequels are making even the prequels look great by comparison. My brother saw it today and told me it was ‘meh’.
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Sat Dec 21, 2019 9:46 pm

It was Return of the Jedi v 2.0. So... par for the course with the first two movies of the Sequel Trilogy. Everything that is old is new again.
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Mon Dec 23, 2019 2:47 am

petertenthije wrote:
I went in with very low expectations. But really liked it.


After the disappointment of The Last Jedi, I almost had to force myself to go to The Rise of Skywalker.
The opportunity came about where I had an opening in my schedule to go see it which is lucky because I was leaning toward not bother watching it.

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I thought it was pretty good.
Probably could have been made better if they had not spent so much time tying up loose ends and connections to make the Star War Community happy.

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Mon Dec 23, 2019 6:18 am

I saw the finale last night and although it falls short of being great, I thought it was good enough. The Last Jedi was a letdown. In some ways, it just didn't feel like a Star Wars movie and there were too many cringeworthy scenes (too much comedy, Leia flying through space, casino escapade, etc.). I had never been that disappointed with any of the previous films so I'm glad things ended on a better note. It's somewhat bittersweet knowing I'll never be able to anticipate going to see a new Star Wars movie ever again (I know there will eventually be more movies with new characters, and the Obi-Wan series with Ewan McGregor sounds interesting, but I'm talking about the original storyline).

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I think they just shoehorned the Palpatine aspect for Rey and there should've been more "I didn't see that coming" parts.

I agree that they could have come up with something more interesting about Rey's identity. Part of me thinks they really wanted to appease the fans following the backlash with the last movie (not that I'm in that camp who thinks they have some sort of requirement to fulfill fans' theories). I'm a little confused though because if Palpatine is her grandfather then what was the deal with her parents? Either the mother or father would have to be related to Palpatine. Or did they simply adopt Rey, and if so, then who were her real parents? Furthermore, what happened to the whole thing about Anakin being The Chosen One and restoring balance to the force? Isn't that all thrown out the window since Palpatine survived and was eventually struck down by Rey? Given the title of the movie, I thought they would somehow wrap that idea up. Instead, "Rise of Skywalker" simply refers to her deciding to take on that last name at the end of the movie.

petertenthije wrote:
It’s a real shame that the trilogy was not directed by one person from the start. Rian Johnson (director TLJ) really killed off a lot of potential and storylines just for the sake of “I did not see that coming”. Not only did that make TLJ a terrible movie, it made ROS a lot harder.

I am happy that JJ Abrams undid some of the bigger **** ups Rian did. For instance killing of general Hux (sp?), who after TLJ had just become comic relief. And JJ managed to put in a nice FU to Johnson as well. (the Holdo move being a 1 in a million fluke, never to be mentioned again)

That hampered the continuity. I know that Abrams was probably assigned to the finale after Johnson had already started working on The Last Jedi, but when you have two guys with two different visions about how the story should go then there are going to be some problems. It would have been better if the two coordinated. For example, whatever happened to C-3PO's red arm? And they never explained how Maz Kanata came to possess Luke's lightsaber (she says it's an interesting story saved for another time).
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Mon Dec 23, 2019 5:14 pm

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Furthermore, what happened to the whole thing about Anakin being The Chosen One and restoring balance to the force? Isn't that all thrown out the window since Palpatine survived and was eventually struck down by Rey? Given the title of the movie, I thought they would somehow wrap that idea up. Instead, "Rise of Skywalker" simply refers to her deciding to take on that last name at the end of the movie.

This bothered me more than anything else about the movie.

It really cheapens Anakin's redemption and makes it feel like the ending of Return of the Jedi isn't as meaningful anymore since we know the Emperor just is going to come on back more powerful than ever.

But, it's not like it's the first time that scene has been harmed. Adding Vader's "NOOOOO!!!!" to that scene in the BluRay version of Return was insane. It makes that scene cringeworthy instead of powerful. Watching the theatrical release of Return last night (to wash the taste of Rise out of my mouth), watching the silent, internal conflict in Vader as he looks back and forth between the Emperor and Luke is a phenomenal scene.
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Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:47 am

I really liked it. Here's how I'd have ended it, though; the end begins after Ben is tossed into the chasm, the silence breaking with Palpatine saying, "Your fleet is lost, and your friends in the skies above us, will not survive. Grandchild, you are now alone." Palpatine sends lightning at her and she tries desperately to block it with Leia's saber. At that moment you hear Anakin say, "No, she's not. And she never will be again." This is when the Force ghosts of Anakin, Luke, Qui-Gon, Yoda, Mace Windu, and Obi-Wan step forward, raising their hands to channel Force energy into her as she raises her hand and FORCE CHOKES PALPATINE, getting him to break the lightning attack. As Palpatine gasps for breath, she then says, "You've failed, Grandfather. I am a Jedi - like my masters before me." And as Ben Solo crawls from the pit, he runs at Palpatine, Anakin uses the Force to throw his saber into Ben's hand, who ignites it and strikes down Palpatine with one stroke. He then vanishes into the Force, and you hear him howling in agony on the other side as Luke says, "And now, finally, we'll take care of him from here. May the Force be with you both. Always."
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Tue Dec 24, 2019 4:18 pm

So from someone who hasn't seen it, and has no plans to see it anytime soon (The Force Awakens managed to turn me completely off of the new trilogy - I haven't even see The Last Jedi), how the hell did Palpatine manage to survive being thrown down that shaft, and then manage to get out of the Death Star before it blew up?
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Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:24 pm

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So from someone who hasn't seen it, and has no plans to see it anytime soon (The Force Awakens managed to turn me completely off of the new trilogy - I haven't even see The Last Jedi), how the hell did Palpatine manage to survive being thrown down that shaft, and then manage to get out of the Death Star before it blew up?

That's an excellent question. It's not answered in the least.

I'm sure Disney's goal is to explain it in a neo-Expanded Universe entry (a comic, a book, something) so that you go buy that. They will purposely leave things out of the movies to get you to buy more stuff.
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Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:22 pm

Have to see it again. Movie was at light speed. Holy hell.
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Tue Dec 24, 2019 10:22 pm

cjg225 wrote:
vikkyvik wrote:
So from someone who hasn't seen it, and has no plans to see it anytime soon (The Force Awakens managed to turn me completely off of the new trilogy - I haven't even see The Last Jedi), how the hell did Palpatine manage to survive being thrown down that shaft, and then manage to get out of the Death Star before it blew up?

That's an excellent question. It's not answered in the least.

I'm sure Disney's goal is to explain it in a neo-Expanded Universe entry (a comic, a book, something) so that you go buy that. They will purposely leave things out of the movies to get you to buy more stuff.


Easy bro. Cheated death. They can go further into it with a stand alone film with the Knights of Ren.
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Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:11 pm

Let me guess: there was a Death Star involved?

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Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:15 pm

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I'm a little confused though because if Palpatine is her grandfather then what was the deal with her parents? Either the mother or father would have to be related to Palpatine. Or did they simply adopt Rey, and if so, then who were her real parents? Furthermore, what happened to the whole thing about Anakin being The Chosen One and restoring balance to the force? Isn't that all thrown out the window since Palpatine survived and was eventually struck down by Rey? Given the title of the movie, I thought they would somehow wrap that idea up. Instead, "Rise of Skywalker" simply refers to her deciding to take on that last name at the end of the movie.

In addition, doesn't Palpatine mention during this film that he was the one who created Anakin? I always thought it was Darth Plagueis. In Revenge of the Sith, Palpatine mentions that his master could use the force to create life. Later on in that film, Palpatine mentions that only his master had discovered the power to cheat death so I thought that hinted that Palpatine himself didn't have quite the same capabilities when it came to the force and creating life/preventing death. But if Palpatine did indeed create Anakin (thus making him his father in a way), doesn't that mean Rey is related to the Skywalkers?
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Wed Dec 25, 2019 10:50 am

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mke717spotter wrote:
Furthermore, what happened to the whole thing about Anakin being The Chosen One and restoring balance to the force? Isn't that all thrown out the window since Palpatine survived and was eventually struck down by Rey? Given the title of the movie, I thought they would somehow wrap that idea up. Instead, "Rise of Skywalker" simply refers to her deciding to take on that last name at the end of the movie.

This bothered me more than anything else


That has always bothered me. The jedi clearly had the upper hand, so episode 1 should have either been about killing him, with the Sith trying to safe him, or needed lots of dark undertones about the inevitable future he is going to bring with all the suffering he drags along....

That being said, the movie sucked, but not as bad as all the other new ones....

cjg225 wrote:
It was Return of the Jedi v 2.0. So... par for the course with the first two movies of the Sequel Trilogy. Everything that is old is new again.


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I’ll take my time - with the exception of ‘Rogue One’, these sequels are making even the prequels look great by comparison. My brother saw it today and told me it was ‘meh’.


I tend to agree, Rogue One is the only of those I watched more than once.

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Wed Dec 25, 2019 2:10 pm

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Have to see it again. Movie was at light speed. Holy hell.

Apparently our intrepid heroes can cover a lot of ground in 16 hours.

The total abuse of lightspeed in the sequel trilogy has been another problem. Apparently you can get anywhere in the galaxy in less than 5 minutes.
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Wed Dec 25, 2019 3:25 pm

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DL717 wrote:
Have to see it again. Movie was at light speed. Holy hell.

Apparently our intrepid heroes can cover a lot of ground in 16 hours.

The total abuse of lightspeed in the sequel trilogy has been another problem. Apparently you can get anywhere in the galaxy in less than 5 minutes.


Unless you are in a fog above a planet, then you can't go anywhere without a navigation beacon, but once you are out there you can precisely jump between skyscrapers by buttfeel and hand control.....

At least it wasn't as stupid as remembering that a cruiser can actually ram another ship only after most of your fellow rebels bought the farm, watching them die with a sad face, while not providing cover fire or moving in a blocking position..... but hey, how about not fielding a bunch of fighters against a gazillion star destroyers before knowing there will be reinforcements. In the previous movie they at least knew when to run....

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Wed Dec 25, 2019 6:47 pm

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Unless you are in a fog above a planet, then you can't go anywhere without a navigation beacon, but once you are out there you can precisely jump between skyscrapers by buttfeel and hand control.....

At least it wasn't as stupid as remembering that a cruiser can actually ram another ship only after most of your fellow rebels bought the farm, watching them die with a sad face, while not providing cover fire or moving in a blocking position..... but hey, how about not fielding a bunch of fighters against a gazillion star destroyers before knowing there will be reinforcements. In the previous movie they at least knew when to run....

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That was something The Force Awakens introduced: being able to jump INTO the atmosphere for a planet. That is absolutely ridiculous.

And, as for the ending of Rise, all of those incredible amount of reinforcements were able to simultaneously navigate to Exogel?
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Wed Dec 25, 2019 7:33 pm

cjg225 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Unless you are in a fog above a planet, then you can't go anywhere without a navigation beacon, but once you are out there you can precisely jump between skyscrapers by buttfeel and hand control.....

At least it wasn't as stupid as remembering that a cruiser can actually ram another ship only after most of your fellow rebels bought the farm, watching them die with a sad face, while not providing cover fire or moving in a blocking position..... but hey, how about not fielding a bunch of fighters against a gazillion star destroyers before knowing there will be reinforcements. In the previous movie they at least knew when to run....

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That was something The Force Awakens introduced: being able to jump INTO the atmosphere for a planet. That is absolutely ridiculous.


Its really cool in BSG though..... :)

And, as for the ending of Rise, all of those incredible amount of reinforcements were able to simultaneously navigate to Exogel?


And awesome how they had enough time to form into a coherent fleet before jumping there.....

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Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:35 pm

cjg225 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Unless you are in a fog above a planet, then you can't go anywhere without a navigation beacon, but once you are out there you can precisely jump between skyscrapers by buttfeel and hand control.....

At least it wasn't as stupid as remembering that a cruiser can actually ram another ship only after most of your fellow rebels bought the farm, watching them die with a sad face, while not providing cover fire or moving in a blocking position..... but hey, how about not fielding a bunch of fighters against a gazillion star destroyers before knowing there will be reinforcements. In the previous movie they at least knew when to run....

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That was something The Force Awakens introduced: being able to jump INTO the atmosphere for a planet. That is absolutely ridiculous.

And, as for the ending of Rise, all of those incredible amount of reinforcements were able to simultaneously navigate to Exogel?


I think that’s and JJ move to do something different, like make the Enterprise a submarine. That was a WTF moment for me in Star Trek.
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Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:29 pm

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cjg225 wrote:
It was Return of the Jedi v 2.0. So... par for the course with the first two movies of the Sequel Trilogy. Everything that is old is new again.


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True, almost every scene reminded me of another previous Star Wars movie. I think I am really done now with Star Wars movies.

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Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:37 pm

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tommy1808 wrote:
cjg225 wrote:
It was Return of the Jedi v 2.0. So... par for the course with the first two movies of the Sequel Trilogy. Everything that is old is new again.


:checkmark:

True, almost every scene reminded me of another previous Star Wars movie. I think I am really done now with Star Wars movies.

Does anybody know who played Poe’s ex-girlfriend? You could see her eyes only but I somehow think I have seen these eyes before...


Keri Russell played the red power ranger.

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N14AZ wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

:checkmark:

True, almost every scene reminded me of another previous Star Wars movie. I think I am really done now with Star Wars movies.

Does anybody know who played Poe’s ex-girlfriend? You could see her eyes only but I somehow think I have seen these eyes before...


Keri Russell played the red power ranger.

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Red Power Ranger! :‘)))))) that’s good!

Thank you for the information. I had someone else in my mind but I was wrong, obviously. She had a very little role in the Bon Jovi video of „Always“ (hate that song but she is very cute in that video).
 
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I really liked it. Here's how I'd have ended it, though; the end begins after Ben is tossed into the chasm, the silence breaking with Palpatine saying, "Your fleet is lost, and your friends in the skies above us, will not survive. Grandchild, you are now alone." Palpatine sends lightning at her and she tries desperately to block it with Leia's saber. At that moment you hear Anakin say, "No, she's not. And she never will be again." This is when the Force ghosts of Anakin, Luke, Qui-Gon, Yoda, Mace Windu, and Obi-Wan step forward, raising their hands to channel Force energy into her as she raises her hand and FORCE CHOKES PALPATINE, getting him to break the lightning attack. As Palpatine gasps for breath, she then says, "You've failed, Grandfather. I am a Jedi - like my masters before me." And as Ben Solo crawls from the pit, he runs at Palpatine, Anakin uses the Force to throw his saber into Ben's hand, who ignites it and strikes down Palpatine with one stroke. He then vanishes into the Force, and you hear him howling in agony on the other side as Luke says, "And now, finally, we'll take care of him from here. May the Force be with you both. Always."



I suppose that would probably have a lot of appeal for people who are fans of all three eras. But I cannot help but notice that even for a short scene, it seems awfully busy.

For this movie, I do not see what connection there is supposed to be between Mace & Qui Gon and Palpatine. They knew of each other, but would not likely have a reason to invest in a fight.

Just as an example from a different Property. . . A big part of what people had an issue with (one of the few legitimate ones) about GoT Season 8 is that the show wanted to tie off loose ends for every character that was still living and had any notable screen time. An ending should be succinct and easy to define, and if that means we do not necessarily hear from everybody, it still does what it is supposed to.

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Sat Dec 28, 2019 3:24 am

I enjoyed it.

I walked in with lowered expectations as most Gen X folks would. TLJ was a let down. Even more so with ROS. it seems much like the Finn/Rose sideplot from TLJ. An unnecessary filler that really only advanced the rise of the first order and the decline of the skywalkers.


I found myself wondering while watching ROS if we were seeing deleted scenes from TFA. Rey's training montage, much an homage to ESB, but forced.

The ending felt like Lord of the Rings ending, a tying up of loose ends, but i can't imagine Disney dropping this franchise.
If we reach back to TPM(Episode 1), we are left at the same point at the end of Episode 9. The Sith are gone, none are to exist anymore. Rey is the balance, but what happens on the edge of that balance and hole that is left with the true end of the first and last order?
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I enjoyed it.

I walked in with lowered expectations as most Gen X folks would. TLJ was a let down. Even more so with ROS. it seems much like the Finn/Rose sideplot from TLJ. An unnecessary filler that really only advanced the rise of the first order and the decline of the skywalkers.


I found myself wondering while watching ROS if we were seeing deleted scenes from TFA. Rey's training montage, much an homage to ESB, but forced.

The ending felt like Lord of the Rings ending, a tying up of loose ends, but i can't imagine Disney dropping this franchise.
If we reach back to TPM(Episode 1), we are left at the same point at the end of Episode 9. The Sith are gone, none are to exist anymore. Rey is the balance, but what happens on the edge of that balance and hole that is left with the true end of the first and last order?
What happens from here? What storytelling? There are many an open plot line.


The door is wide open for a Rey descendent to rise up, which given her lineage could be inherently evil. Lightsabers are buried in the sand for someone to find and a 50 year old Yoda species has been introduced in the Mandalorian. The Mandalorian is something like 5 years after Return of the Jedi and The Force Awakens is 30 from a Jedi, so the little Yoda guy who is 50 in the Mandalorian is now pushing 75-80 (depending on the time that was covered in the current trilogy) with a lifespan of 900 years. They could push a new trilogy out some 500 years and build a whole new story based on new characters. Disney+ is now the proper home for character films like Solo done as a series. It just works better in that format. There will no doubt be another trilogy or trilogies over time now that the original characters are gone. It lets Lucasfilm to go beyond the Skywalker films. Then again, they could tie it back to the current series with Skywalker’s replacing the Jedi given there aren’t any Skywalker's left.
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:56 pm

I think Star Wars fans come in three groups. Causal fans who were going to be happy with whatever Disney put out. Serious fans who knew the EU existed but never followed it. And Serious fans who were fully invested in the EU. I fall in the last group of fans. I followed the EU until the Legacy of the Force Series wrapped up. The second group of fans seemed to like TFA but not TLJ.

I thought ROS did a decent job of closing up this trilogy, I never liked the story arc of it. Thought TFA was a bit silly and TLJ just stupid. I maintain they should have started the new trilogy Episode 7 with Luke losing the Solo kid to the Dark Side and gone from there.
 
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Sat Dec 28, 2019 10:40 pm

After the last movie I said I wouldn't pay to see the next one. I only saw it because my brother surprised me with a ticket.

Was very disappointed again, no originality, terrible script and concept. Seriously who would join the Empire and live on exo place for their whole lives waiting a generation for the Emperor to decide to show himself... Why would you hide thousands of star destroyers for years waiting for a single moment when you could quash the rebellion in a moment...

Urgghhhh...will not get that time of my life back.
 
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:45 am

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The second group of fans seemed to like TFA but not TLJ.


Not me. TFA, to me, is just Episode 4.5.

Never saw TLJ after being so disappointed with TFA.

Rogue One, however, is a pretty good movie, and a worthy addition to the franchise.
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Sun Dec 29, 2019 8:03 pm

vikkyvik wrote:
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The second group of fans seemed to like TFA but not TLJ.


Not me. TFA, to me, is just Episode 4.5.

Never saw TLJ after being so disappointed with TFA.

Rogue One, however, is a pretty good movie, and a worthy addition to the franchise.


Just curious, did you read or play in the Expanded Universe?
 
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:42 am

The scenes at the end with Palpatine were a little over the top for a Star Wars movie. And then suddenly out of the blue Leia becomes morbidly weak and dies? What was up with that?
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In addition, doesn't Palpatine mention during this film that he was the one who created Anakin? I always thought it was Darth Plagueis.

Kylo Ren tells Rey that Palpatine created Anakin.
 
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Mon Dec 30, 2019 6:57 pm

illinoisman wrote:
The scenes at the end with Palpatine were a little over the top for a Star Wars movie. And then suddenly out of the blue Leia becomes morbidly weak and dies? What was up with that?


Read any news lately?

Carrie Fisher died before filming, so it’s not like they could just prop her up and make her healthy. She was written out of the film that way. They had some old footage that they could work into the film, which they did nicely, by that was about all they could do. She was supposed to have a much larger role in this film.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:06 pm

illinoisman wrote:
The scenes at the end with Palpatine were a little over the top for a Star Wars movie. And then suddenly out of the blue Leia becomes morbidly weak and dies? What was up with that?

The whole point was that Leia was in touch with Ben. Because Ben got stabbed by Rey, Leia took part of the hit. You could argue Rey killed Leia.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:49 pm

Saw it today and generally liked it. I agree with others who say it was remincient of ROTJ, but TFA was pretty much a re-make of the first film so I didn't find it unexpected.
I do have a few problems with the story (as most do) so here's my gripes.
Palpatine tells Rey that if she kills him, his spirit will flow into her making her the evil Empress. Well, she kills him and.....bupkis. She's still sweet, likable Rey.
I didn't think they needed to kill off Kylo - in fact, I think he should have been to one to ultimately kill Palpatine. He and Rey could have lived happily ever after and his turning to the good side of the force would be an homage to his Gandpa Anakin's redemption.
 
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:16 pm

Talking about Leia: I was a little bit surprised to see so many scenes with her. Did they recycle surplus scenes from previous movies?
 
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:46 pm

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Talking about Leia: I was a little bit surprised to see so many scenes with her. Did they recycle surplus scenes from previous movies?

Recycled surplus footage of her. Not necessarily recycling old scenes but digitally inserting her into the new scenes. The scene where she suddenly was weak and kind of stumbling to bed was obviously a body double though with some CGI when they couldn’t obscure her face.
 
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:44 pm

bmartino99 wrote:
Just curious, did you read or play in the Expanded Universe?


No, except for reading the Timothy Zahn trilogy way back when.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:03 pm

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No, except for reading the Timothy Zahn trilogy way back when.

At least you picked arguably the best part of the EU.

I really need to reread the Zahn trilogy against some point in the near future.
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:36 pm

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No, except for reading the Timothy Zahn trilogy way back when.

At least you picked arguably the best part of the EU.

I really need to reread the Zahn trilogy against some point in the near future.


Yeah, me too. I barely remember them at this point.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:05 pm

vikkyvik wrote:
bmartino99 wrote:
Just curious, did you read or play in the Expanded Universe?


No, except for reading the Timothy Zahn trilogy way back when.


I read those too. Great books. I wouldn’t mind seeing a film or two centered around those books, but not sure how it would work now. It was set 5-10 years after Jedi. It was a nice gap filler, but the current films turned it on it’s ear I think. I wish Lucas had taken this route rather than the prequels.
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:47 pm

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I read those too. Great books. I wouldn’t mind seeing a film or two centered around those books, but not sure how it would work now. It was set 5-10 years after Jedi. It was a nice gap filler, but the current films turned it on it’s ear I think. I wish Lucas had taken this route rather than the prequels.

Oh, there's no chance they could be used now except for an Alternate Reality. They've been completely mooted by what content has been produced for the neo-EU as well as the Sequel Trilogy.

Lucas would've never done that. He and his staff at LFL treated the EU as a lesser form of life that was a necessary evil to maintain their relevance when movies weren't coming out, but they also had no problem mining the EU for all sorts of ideas and then bastardizing them for the big or small screen (I will never, ever forgive them for what they did to the idea of the Witches of Dathomir when they put them into The Clone Wars series).
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Mon Jan 06, 2020 5:02 pm

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Palpatine tells Rey that if she kills him, his spirit will flow into her making her the evil Empress. Well, she kills him and.....bupkis. She's still sweet, likable Rey.


Perhaps she exploited a loophole, in that technically she didn't kill him. She didn't stab him with a lightsaber or anything like that. She merely used the lightsabers to reflect his force lightning back at him. So, technically, Palpatine killed himself. Palpatine's MO seems to be along the lines of goading people into letting their rage consume them which allows them to be taken by the dark side. It worked with Anakin, but Luke and Rey were able to resist. While Rey seems to have killed Palpatine, her actions were self-defensive in nature, so she doesn't fall to the dark side and Palpatine's spirit can't flow into her.
 
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Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:23 pm

A recycled Trilogy with a recycled bad guy. Sucked into seeing the last one with the family and was very happy when it was over.
 
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:08 am

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Palpatine tells Rey that if she kills him, his spirit will flow into her making her the evil Empress. Well, she kills him and.....bupkis. She's still sweet, likable Rey.


Perhaps she exploited a loophole, in that technically she didn't kill him. She didn't stab him with a lightsaber or anything like that. She merely used the lightsabers to reflect his force lightning back at him. So, technically, Palpatine killed himself. Palpatine's MO seems to be along the lines of goading people into letting their rage consume them which allows them to be taken by the dark side. It worked with Anakin, but Luke and Rey were able to resist. While Rey seems to have killed Palpatine, her actions were self-defensive in nature, so she doesn't fall to the dark side and Palpatine's spirit can't flow into her.


It was if she killed the decrepit, zombie-like Palpatine that his spirit would have a place to go to. Not so once he sucked the excess life force off both Rey and Ben and became reinvigorated. Then he was fair game and his spirit went nowhere.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:06 am

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Have to see it again. Movie was at light speed. Holy hell.

Apparently our intrepid heroes can cover a lot of ground in 16 hours.

The total abuse of lightspeed in the sequel trilogy has been another problem. Apparently you can get anywhere in the galaxy in less than 5 minutes.


I always wondered whether lightspeed in Star Wars used wormhole physics, or they travel through the dimensions we currently know of (plausible but arguably much more dangerous for collisions!). Wormhole physics would make the light-skipping scene in ROS more believable too, i mean it's downright dangerous where you blindly come out of lightspeed but at least while in it you don't need to worry about flying into massive stalagmites, skyscrappers or the mouth of a sea monster at .5 past lightspeed (according to Han)

I thought this brief scene was seriously cool though, much like Han and Rey leaving the hangar at lightspeed
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:10 am

There are so many unknowns with Palpatine, is he a clone from that lab in Exogol, did they find some DNA somewhere, and he doesn't seem fully complete, injured fingers etc.

I saw the movie a 2nd time to try and see what could have been missed, but it's the one thing i still don't fully understand.
 
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Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:43 pm

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I always wondered whether lightspeed in Star Wars used wormhole physics, or they travel through the dimensions we currently know of (plausible but arguably much more dangerous for collisions!). Wormhole physics would make the light-skipping scene in ROS more believable too, i mean it's downright dangerous where you blindly come out of lightspeed but at least while in it you don't need to worry about flying into massive stalagmites, skyscrappers or the mouth of a sea monster at .5 past lightspeed (according to Han)

I thought this brief scene was seriously cool though, much like Han and Rey leaving the hangar at lightspeed

I would be somewhat-okay (not really) with that IF this was a brand-new IP... but it's not. Lightspeed has never been shown to work like that before. It has always been shown as something that takes time to do. You don't just pull a lever and you're instantly somewhere else. It has very clearly been shown to require precision and time in the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy. Now, the "time" aspect has, admittedly, always been a bit murky. Is it hours? Days? No one was ever really sure, so the old EU had varying interpretations (anywhere from a couple hours to get pretty much anywhere to weeks to get to some places the more remote and off-the-beaten path they were). Most interpretations that are still canon seem to lean much more to the shorter end of the scale, but they still clearly have an element of time that is far beyond whatever the hell Rise of Skywalker just showed.

And, the Original Trilogy and Prequel Trilogy made abundantly clearly that you needed to be in deep space to go to lightspeed. That grinds my gears even more than the time aspect. Now, apparently, you can just enter and exit lightspeed wherever and whenever you want with no repercussions.
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:17 pm

cjg225 wrote:
I would be somewhat-okay (not really) with that IF this was a brand-new IP... but it's not. Lightspeed has never been shown to work like that before. It has always been shown as something that takes time to do. You don't just pull a lever and you're instantly somewhere else. It has very clearly been shown to require precision and time in the Original Trilogy and the Prequel Trilogy. Now, the "time" aspect has, admittedly, always been a bit murky. Is it hours? Days? No one was ever really sure, so the old EU had varying interpretations (anywhere from a couple hours to get pretty much anywhere to weeks to get to some places the more remote and off-the-beaten path they were). Most interpretations that are still canon seem to lean much more to the shorter end of the scale, but they still clearly have an element of time that is far beyond whatever the hell Rise of Skywalker just showed.


I wonder if a lot of this is JJ Abrams not understanding (or not caring because it looks cool) how faster than light travel should work. The same thing happened in his 2009 Star Trek film, where just after departing Earth, Pike orders Chekov to make a shipwide mission briefing where he states they will be arriving at Vulcan in three minutes. It took quite a bit longer to travel that distance in both Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home and in Star Trek: Discovery.
 
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:25 pm

Managed to find a non-dubbed version last week. Can't say I was too impressed.
Palpatine using the lightning against the fleet, force healing and Rey adopting the Skywalker name was fine. It's not like the 6 films of the prequels and original trilogies were exhaustive encyclopedias on the force, and it is understandable why you wouldn't run around with the name of the worst barbarian in living memory.

My biggest criticism is directed to the movie industry in general. They have forgotten what sci-fi is about. They took the science out of science fiction. The movie is called Star Wars, the starships and technology are obviously going to take a center stage. In this movie, they barely featured at all! The big battle at the end, what did they show? A thousand interesting spaceships, but not a single close up shot and combined something like 5 seconds in total. All the 7 films of the prequels, OT and Rogue One featured them extensively, with close up shots of the details, battles and all. Episode 1 starts with a couple of close detail shots of the diplomatic ship that gets blown up not even 5 minutes later. That thing got more exposure than practically anything in episode 9.

Along the same avenue, whats with the need to put planet killing lasers on every Star Destroyer? It's an effin' Star Destroyer, and they had a thousand of them. That is terrifying enough in itself.

Then the space combat, whats up with the constant Tokyo drifting? Alternative ways of killing the Star Destroyers and fighters? Is it just me, or has Hollywood collectively decided that "ordinary" space battles of Episodes 1, 3, 4, 6 and Rogue One are boring now? What's wrong with a squadron of Y-wings swooping in to knock out the ships, as opposed to boarding them with horses? Why not an awesome scene where two capital ships blast broadsides at each other like in episode 3?

It isn't just Star Wars though. Marvel films are notorious for the same. Space ships are just a plot device to get characters from one point to another. The last Star Trek films tended in the same direction.

I can't help but think that these 3 films (2 last ones especially) would have turned out way better if they had stuck more to their roots.
 
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Re: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker *SPOILER*

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:58 am

I'm just back from seeing it. There is a mention that Palpatine is a clone, which doesn't make sense since he looks more like a reanimated corpse.

Consistency is not a strong point for Star Wars anyway, I mean the prequel ships look way more advanced than the ones in the original trilogy.

During the last battle, there should be tens of thousands, even millions of Tie fighters, but there are only a few.

And yeah, who were all those people gathered in the flying black building ?

Nonetheless, I was entertained.
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