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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:09 pm

stratosphere wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Apologies for asking these dumb questions. How did this happen? Australia is not a overpopulated continent and most of them are nature loving folks. How come millions of animals killed in such a short period. Was there prolonged drought and build-up of dead brush?


How bout arson ? All you climate change worriers on here can chew on this..

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nearly-20 ... 95827.html



WTF? In all this chaos, 200 people arrested for setting fires amid all this?

That's a lot idiots trying make matters worse and destroy their homeland. Well that's human stupidly demographic hard at work.

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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:36 pm

There is a study from UoQ that the bots and trolls are amping up the arson theory, as well as blaming greens for stopping controlled burning. I’ll try to find the link.

There are certain sections of the media looking for any excuse other than climate change for the widespread impact.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:01 am

BN747 wrote:
stratosphere wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Apologies for asking these dumb questions. How did this happen? Australia is not a overpopulated continent and most of them are nature loving folks. How come millions of animals killed in such a short period. Was there prolonged drought and build-up of dead brush?


How bout arson ? All you climate change worriers on here can chew on this..

https://www.theepochtimes.com/nearly-20 ... 95827.html



WTF? In all this chaos, 200 people arrested for setting fires amid all this?

That's a lot idiots trying make matters worse and destroy their homeland. Well that's human stupidly demographic hard at work.

BN747


There are some idiots, but a lot of them are inadvertent things that people wouldn't realise are illegal.

But some are deliberate like this one about 800 metres from my house:

Image

I took that photo this morning on my way home from a bike ride. Further along in the burned area you can see the discarded beer bottles, vodka bottles and evidence of fireworks. :grumpy:

You can also see how close it is to houses nearby. I know some of those residents and they would have been pretty worried.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:03 am

Kent350787 wrote:
There is a study from UoQ that the bots and trolls are amping up the arson theory, as well as blaming greens for stopping controlled burning. I’ll try to find the link.

There are certain sections of the media looking for any excuse other than climate change for the widespread impact.

Sorry, QUT - link her https://www.zdnet.com/article/twitter-b ... bushfires/
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:32 am

Kent350787 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
There is a study from UoQ that the bots and trolls are amping up the arson theory, as well as blaming greens for stopping controlled burning. I’ll try to find the link.

There are certain sections of the media looking for any excuse other than climate change for the widespread impact.

Sorry, QUT - link her https://www.zdnet.com/article/twitter-b ... bushfires/



Simple answer to the greens theory, they are not in power and have not been. Conservative governments have run the show for nearly a decade now (with strong majorities) and they control everything related to fire management and hazard reduction burning through their relevant departments. There is no other answer than that.

The buck stops with these conservative governments.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:54 am

cpd wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
There is a study from UoQ that the bots and trolls are amping up the arson theory, as well as blaming greens for stopping controlled burning. I’ll try to find the link.

There are certain sections of the media looking for any excuse other than climate change for the widespread impact.

Sorry, QUT - link her https://www.zdnet.com/article/twitter-b ... bushfires/



Simple answer to the greens theory, they are not in power and have not been. Conservative governments have run the show for nearly a decade now (with strong majorities) and they control everything related to fire management and hazard reduction burning through their relevant departments. There is no other answer than that.

The buck stops with these conservative governments.


I absolutely agree.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:04 am

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The increase in bushfires/forest fires isn't just in Australia, but some areas of the USA, in particular California, as well as places like Brazil. Part of this is due to Global Climate Change, but also excesses of control to prevent fires in the past, more people living in and around forested areas and poor choices in construction.


Yes the magical climate change that has an effect on everything and anything. Global cooling, global warming, climate change, climate disruption are all caused by hot air coming out of political scientist, politicians and left wing environmental zealots.


Yes, listening to people paid off by the oil industry makes much more sense.
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:17 am

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ltbewr wrote:
by hot air coming out of political scientist, politicians and left wing environmental zealots.


In case you are not aware, the last decade of politicians and all their hangers on have all been right wing conservatives in Australia. Environmental advocates, the left wing and others like them have had no influence of any kind for that decade.

All blame must rest with these decade old conservative right wing political parties. Nobody else can be blamed aside from them.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:27 am

It appears reasons are same as here. First time when I saw parched landscape in California, it was hard to believe. Yellow rolling hills and in-between farms with green trees with drip irrigation was a unique sight. There were warning signs posted not to pull over hot car on to dead grass to avoid accidental fire.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:32 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
It appears reasons are same as here. First time when I saw parched landscape in California, it was hard to believe. Yellow rolling hills and in-between farms with green trees with drip irrigation was a unique sight. There were warning signs posted not to pull over hot car on to dead grass to avoid accidental fire.


Some people don't realise that the act of discarding a cigarette out the window of a car as they are driving along can potentially be enough to start a fire.

You can see in my photo above that everything is very dry, the grass is just about dead already. If you walk on it, you just hear "crunch crunch crunch".

We got some decent rainfall early this morning when a thunderstorm went through but I'm unsure if that would have dumped enough rain on the areas that need it.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:26 am

cpd wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:
There is a study from UoQ that the bots and trolls are amping up the arson theory, as well as blaming greens for stopping controlled burning. I’ll try to find the link.

There are certain sections of the media looking for any excuse other than climate change for the widespread impact.

Sorry, QUT - link her https://www.zdnet.com/article/twitter-b ... bushfires/



Simple answer to the greens theory, they are not in power and have not been. Conservative governments have run the show for nearly a decade now (with strong majorities) and they control everything related to fire management and hazard reduction burning through their relevant departments. There is no other answer than that.

The buck stops with these conservative governments.



That dosen’ mean that there is no green influence, it just means government takes on the recommendations from several options at a lower level within government who are not elected officials, most elected officials are reliant on there respective dept heads and those heads rely on lower level to help gather information to give government a number of options on matters within its mandate and also have to work within the laws as they stand or replaced or whatever. There are a number of acts of NSW parliament that describes what they can and can’t do. Just because it’s a liberal or labour government in power dosnt mean they are not influenced by the green vote. If Australian politics wasn’t susceptible to the green vote Australia would most likely have had nuclear power in the Menzies era. You under estimate the green vote in the country and it’s influence on the government of the day at all levels of government. But I do agree that the buck stops with those in power


https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11371296

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.the ... ought-back
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 3:54 am

A101 wrote:
cpd wrote:
Kent350787 wrote:



Simple answer to the greens theory, they are not in power and have not been. Conservative governments have run the show for nearly a decade now (with strong majorities) and they control everything related to fire management and hazard reduction burning through their relevant departments. There is no other answer than that.

The buck stops with these conservative governments.



That dosen’ mean that there is no green influence, it just means government takes on the recommendations from several options at a lower level within government who are not elected officials, most elected officials are reliant on there respective dept heads and those heads rely on lower level to help gather information to give government a number of options on matters within its mandate and also have to work within the laws as they stand or replaced or whatever. There are a number of acts of NSW parliament that describes what they can and can’t do. Just because it’s a liberal or labour government in power dosnt mean they are not influenced by the green vote. If Australian politics wasn’t susceptible to the green vote Australia would most likely have had nuclear power in the Menzies era. You under estimate the green vote in the country and it’s influence on the government of the day at all levels of government. But I do agree that the buck stops with those in power


https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11371296

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.the ... ought-back



Have you any experience working in government recently?

When a new government takes over, you do realise what happens in those departments, right? Please don’t make me spell it out for you.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:09 am

cpd wrote:
A101 wrote:
cpd wrote:


Simple answer to the greens theory, they are not in power and have not been. Conservative governments have run the show for nearly a decade now (with strong majorities) and they control everything related to fire management and hazard reduction burning through their relevant departments. There is no other answer than that.

The buck stops with these conservative governments.



That dosen’ mean that there is no green influence, it just means government takes on the recommendations from several options at a lower level within government who are not elected officials, most elected officials are reliant on there respective dept heads and those heads rely on lower level to help gather information to give government a number of options on matters within its mandate and also have to work within the laws as they stand or replaced or whatever. There are a number of acts of NSW parliament that describes what they can and can’t do. Just because it’s a liberal or labour government in power dosnt mean they are not influenced by the green vote. If Australian politics wasn’t susceptible to the green vote Australia would most likely have had nuclear power in the Menzies era. You under estimate the green vote in the country and it’s influence on the government of the day at all levels of government. But I do agree that the buck stops with those in power


https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11371296

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.the ... ought-back



Have you any experience working in government recently?

When a new government takes over, you do realise what happens in those departments, right? Please don’t make me spell it out for you.


any change of government sees the people at the top change but not the entire department
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:10 am

A101 wrote:
cpd wrote:
A101 wrote:


That dosen’ mean that there is no green influence, it just means government takes on the recommendations from several options at a lower level within government who are not elected officials, most elected officials are reliant on there respective dept heads and those heads rely on lower level to help gather information to give government a number of options on matters within its mandate and also have to work within the laws as they stand or replaced or whatever. There are a number of acts of NSW parliament that describes what they can and can’t do. Just because it’s a liberal or labour government in power dosnt mean they are not influenced by the green vote. If Australian politics wasn’t susceptible to the green vote Australia would most likely have had nuclear power in the Menzies era. You under estimate the green vote in the country and it’s influence on the government of the day at all levels of government. But I do agree that the buck stops with those in power


https://amp.abc.net.au/article/11371296

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.the ... ought-back



Have you any experience working in government recently?

When a new government takes over, you do realise what happens in those departments, right? Please don’t make me spell it out for you.


any change of government sees the people at the top change but not the entire department


The policies and priorities also align with that of the new government quite quickly too.

Surely you have seen it yourself, I mean you are working in that field, yes? I asked that before but you didn’t answer that.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:38 am

Now, let's just bust this myth on greens stopping the hazard reduction burning from happening:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/onli ... 28c004947a

And this is from News Limited, a right wing conservative news website - so this is real news, not fake news.

Now what was it that someone was saying that it takes a lot of checks and difficult to plan?

“Sure, there’s environmental and other checks to go through but we streamline those. There’s special legislation to give us clearance and to cut through what would otherwise be a very complex environment.”


That myth is busted too.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:29 pm

"Ozzy Man" doesn't hold back letting everyone know what's going on with the bushfires and many Australian's thoughts about PM Scott Morrison's tone-deaf response so far.

(Warning: NSFW- Ample swearing, some disturbing imagery)

Ozzy Man Reviews: Australian Bushfires- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2Szk3m9w-4
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:07 am

It’s all about sharing..

Smoke from the Australian fires arrives in Chile and Argentina
Source: https://youtu.be/5LfaxM_Csbo

I am wondering if or when it will go full circle..


Things have stabilised around my way for now. The fires are still burning, but they’re not on the move at any fast pace. This break in the weather, with some coolness, and even some rain forecast this week has been a great reprieve. Not too much rain though, as that would create a set of new problems, with the ground being so dry. This is being called the new normal. I now have my P2 mask and have worn it once. In the minority though it seems - for now. People seem more inclined to just not go out. Air quality levels are more often that not, still rated as hazardous, but compared to some earlier days of 2020, it doesn’t seem as bad, relatively speaking.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:00 pm

It appears they have solved the cause of the fires. I never would have guessed the cause was Camels. That it Camels.

https://www.westernjournal.com/australi ... l-warming/

They are going to hunt down and slaughter 10,000 of the 1 million camels in OZ to cure the global warming.
That in itself brings the question of; how are they going to hunt down camels with no guns.

Okie
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:42 pm

Okie wrote:
It appears they have solved the cause of the fires. I never would have guessed the cause was Camels. That it Camels.

https://www.westernjournal.com/australi ... l-warming/

They are going to hunt down and slaughter 10,000 of the 1 million camels in OZ to cure the global warming.
That in itself brings the question of; how are they going to hunt down camels with no guns.

Okie


What do you mean by no guns? Are you telling me those people whose job it is to deal with feral animals don’t have guns? I can prove otherwise. They have them legally and the weapons are used only for that purpose.
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:38 pm

cpd wrote:
Okie wrote:
It appears they have solved the cause of the fires. I never would have guessed the cause was Camels. That it Camels.

https://www.westernjournal.com/australi ... l-warming/

They are going to hunt down and slaughter 10,000 of the 1 million camels in OZ to cure the global warming.
That in itself brings the question of; how are they going to hunt down camels with no guns.

Okie


What do you mean by no guns? Are you telling me those people whose job it is to deal with feral animals don’t have guns? I can prove otherwise. They have them legally and the weapons are used only for that purpose.


A bigger question would seem to be: Why bother "culling" only 1% of at least a million camels? One percent isn't likely to make any measurable difference to global warming one way or the other. If they genuinely want to make a difference, they should introduce an unlimited bounty on camels- "X" dollars for each camel head brought in to authorities. There's plenty of good meat on a camel, too, but the local beef producers might object to that.

If they haven't already, introducing a similar bounty on feral pigs would probably have a similar if not greater effect on greenhouse gas emissions because in my personal experience pigs fart A LOT more than camels do.
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:23 pm

James Murdoch criticises father's news outlets for climate crisis denial

Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp and Fox cited for ‘frustrating’ coverage of Australian bushfires


Link

Interesting, so all deniers, don't watch mr. Murdoch's news outlets anymore.......
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:36 pm

Woken by thunderstorms in Sydney today, which is lovely with the rain.

On the BS reporting of the camel cull, here is a more reasoned Explanation https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-01- ... fmredir=sm
 
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Re: Bushfires in Australia

Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:55 pm

Kent350787 wrote:
Woken by thunderstorms in Sydney today, which is lovely with the rain.

On the BS reporting of the camel cull, here is a more reasoned Explanation https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-01- ... fmredir=sm




Yep the land of droughts and floods and sweeping plains:
https://www.dorotheamackellar.com.au/ar ... ountry.htm

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.
I love her far horizons,
I love her jewel-sea,
Her beauty and her terror
The wide brown land for me




And just north of Sydney a yesterday of days ago:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OjlFIJueKAU

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