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Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:54 am

Wow, pretty interesting caper here - ousted former Nissan CEO Ghosn, under house arrest awaiting April trial in Japan for alleged malfeasance and tax evasion, has fled the country by private jet. Pretty hard to actually pull off, so I suspect the Japanese government is quietly involved in his exodus so they can avoid the fiasco of his trial. Either that, or his legal team/handlers knew how shut down things are for the New Year shogatsu holiday, and pulled a fast one on inexperienced young immigration staff, who always get stuck with the holiday schedules. Should make a great movie someday!

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Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:24 am

I bet he went to someplace Japan doesn't have an extradition treaty with.
 
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:27 am

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I bet he went to someplace Japan doesn't have an extradition treaty with.


Not sure about the treaty, but he absconded to Lebanon because he has a passport and residence there.
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:53 am

I feel there's some merit to Ghosn's allegation that his case is politically motivated.

I find it hard to believe that auditors didn't find any improprieties until he had proposed to merge Renault with Nissan.
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proposed to merge Renault with Nissan.

Isn't that a reason enough to be behind bars? ;)
 
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:06 pm

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
I feel there's some merit to Ghosn's allegation that his case is politically motivated.

I find it hard to believe that auditors didn't find any improprieties until he had proposed to merge Renault with Nissan.

I think Ghosn is guilty of some financial improprieties but his treatment and bail requirements screams of political punishment by an upset Japanese government. They were/are completely over the top for the accused crime.

He was never going to get a fair trial there, they had already made up their mind.
 
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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Tue Dec 31, 2019 1:07 pm

Polot wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
I feel there's some merit to Ghosn's allegation that his case is politically motivated.

I find it hard to believe that auditors didn't find any improprieties until he had proposed to merge Renault with Nissan.

I think Ghosn is guilty of some financial improprieties but his treatment and bail requirements screams of political punishment by an upset Japanese government. They were/are completely over the top for the accused crime.

He was never going to get a fair trial there, they had already made up their mind.


Nevermind as well that Japanese executives who have been prosecuted for similar got mere slaps on the wrist and were not detained for months or held under house arrest.
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:24 pm

Almost no country has extradition treaties with Japan from what I heard, as their justice system isn't up to international standards.
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:36 pm

Maybe but japaneses will try to put that escape on the french government to try to save face.
 
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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:42 pm

https://www.thedrive.com/news/31669/for ... non-report

If his movements were being monitored every time he left his residence, then how did he make it to the airport unnoticed ? How did he go through security/ customs formalities ? Who helped him ?

Edit : This article might provide some details:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Japan.html
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:59 pm

alberchico wrote:
https://www.thedrive.com/news/31669/former-nissan-renault-ceo-carlos-ghosn-flees-japan-for-lebanon-report

If his movements were being monitored every time he left his residence, then how did he make it to the airport unnoticed ? How did he go through security/ customs formalities ? Who helped him ?

Edit : This article might provide some details:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Japan.html


Fascinating - though I’m not sure about the ‘small local airport’ bit. Greater Tokyo only has two civilian airports that are not major international facilities and one, Chofu, is too small for long range bizjets. They could only have gone out of Ibaraki, Narita or Haneda without driving 6-7 hours to another facility elsewhere.

Also arranging charters into/out of Japan requires considerable bureaucracy so it’ll be intriguing to see what really happened here.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/nissan ... -1.5411317

"During his release on bail, Ghosn had been going daily to the office of his main lawyer, Junichiro Hironaka, to work on his case, except on weekends and holidays. Hironaka told reporters Tuesday afternoon he was stunned Ghosn had jumped bail, and denied any involvement in or knowledge of the escape. He said the lawyers had all of Ghosn's three passports and he was puzzled by how he could have left the country"

So all his passports were confiscated. He definitely had help, either from professionals brought in from abroad or from the Japanese.
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:17 pm

I read a tidbit yesterday saying that the Japanese Foreign Minister visited Lebanon in early December. It's hard not to see a connection between that and this "escape". I'd put my money on a secret deal between Ghosn, Lebanon and Japan to make this all happen. He rides off with $50-$100M to live out his life in a seaside castle and Japan forgoes the misery of a public trial with all the unwanted international attention on their unique system of justice. Everything is about face-saving.
 
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 6:37 pm

I wonder if Japanese crime gangs were involved. They might know how to 'help', especially with the big payoff he could offer.
 
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proposed to merge Renault with Nissan.

Isn't that a reason enough to be behind bars? ;)


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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:03 pm

This isn't confirmed, but if true, it's quite ironic, considering the Japanese justice system made him lose a lot of extra weight, helping him get into a small box...
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:05 pm

I’d bet he never went thru Japanese customs outboard. Bizjet could have been flown in as a private flight, not charter. Or, the plane could have flown in as a charter flight with “legit” passengers, outbound as an empty positioning flight. Charters inbound aren’t too difficult, if carrying foreign nationals and leaving empty. It’s when you charter internal or with Japanese nationals onboard that permitting gets sticky.

Definitely had some weapons-grade assistance. The is Perot EDS exfiltration out of Tehran stuff.
 
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:24 pm

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I feel there's some merit to Ghosn's allegation that his case is politically motivated.

I find it hard to believe that auditors didn't find any improprieties until he had proposed to merge Renault with Nissan.


He and the company hid the $158 MILLION payout he was to receive when the merger closed. You don’t think he signed off on the fraudulent paperwork to keep that hidden? While this obscene payout might be expected or even commonplace in the USA it’s unthinkable in Japan for an executive to take such an egregious amount of money given he wasn’t the sole owner or anything. Just for comparison sake the CEO of Toyota makes about $3 million per year, and it sparked outrage that the Chief Competitive Officer made $9.4 million...a staggering sum for an executive in Japan.

CEOs in Japan get 1/10th the pay the US does. Japan has a much more realistic view of what a CEO really is worth. Thinking a CEO is worth 400 times more valuable than other professional employees at the company is laughable, yet there will be many here slobbering all over themselves to defend such insanity. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianahembr ... ge-worker/

So imagine the outrage and hostility over $158 MILLION. Ghosn knew this would never fly if it were made public, hence the deceit and fraud.
 
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Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:46 pm

It’s not his salary, it’s what was saving Nissan from a very embarrassing bankruptcy worth? Who else could save the company and what would their cost be? If Ghosn didn’t get the $158 million, who would and would they have saved Nissan?

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Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:53 pm

From the WSJ, it looks like he may have left on MNG Jet's Global Express from KIX non-stop to IST. The WSJ further claims that a smaller MNG Jet aircraft flew from IST to BEY shortly after the Global Explorer landed.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TCT ... /RJBB/LTBA
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ghosns-esc ... _lead_pos1

I wonder whether whoever organized his "departure" took pains to make sure the crew was not aware of who their passenger was. Otherwise, there is a Global Express crew that may not want to step into Japan anytime soon.

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I find it hard to believe that auditors didn't find any improprieties until he had proposed to merge Renault with Nissan.

The auditors were not as independent as one would want them to be. They wanted to interview 80 past and current employees after the release of the Latham report. At the top of the list of interviewees was the head of the legal dept. The interviews never happened because the COO blocked the move, after consulting with the.. head of legal (and yes, the auditors told the COO the head of legal was on their list).
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If Japanese justice is like its corporate governance, I have only two words for Carlos Ghosn: well done.

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I think Ghosn is guilty of some financial improprieties but his treatment and bail requirements screams of political punishment by an upset Japanese government.

I was under the impression that granting bail to a foreigner with no permanent ties (read a Japanese family) was pretty unusual. Not to claim that there is no political meddling in the case, but the bail conditions may have more to do with the unusual nature of him being bailed at all.
 
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From the WSJ, it looks like he may have left on MNG Jet's Global Express from KIX non-stop to IST. The WSJ further claims that a smaller MNG Jet aircraft flew from IST to BEY shortly after the Global Explorer landed.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TCT ... /RJBB/LTBA
https://www.wsj.com/articles/ghosns-esc ... _lead_pos1

I wonder whether whoever organized his "departure" took pains to make sure the crew was not aware of who their passenger was. Otherwise, there is a Global Express crew that may not want to step into Japan anytime soon.


NHK is reporting unnamed government sources say Immigration has no record of him leaving, so are now wondering if he departed under a different name on a French passport or hid in an instrument case as reported in Lebanon. Either way that is a major lapse (unless intentional) as private jets at KIX are subject to customs procedures and immigration inspection, even for a ‘traveling band’. There may be light or nonexistent screening for baggage on outbound private flights though.
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NIKV69 wrote:
L410Turbolet wrote:
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proposed to merge Renault with Nissan.

Isn't that a reason enough to be behind bars? ;)


OMG yes!


Of course you Americans are only familiar with Renaults from the 1980s.

As an owner of a current Renault, I must say their unreliable reputation is no longer accurate.
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:12 am

He couldn’t have left Japan on his French passport, as I’m sure with all the news, a passenger presenting Carlos Ghosn’s passport would be detained. So, in the scenario he left openly it was under a forged French passport and having been well disguised. That implies some real professional work. Japanese CIQ knows exactly who flew in and out on Global registered in Turkey as TC-TSR. Handlers at KIX would escort the crew and pax thru CIQ, perhaps officers would come on board, but I have seen handling agents take the passports to CIQ without physically presenting the holders to the officers. Sounds strange, but done it in India, for example. Been thru KIX in a private jet, but it’s been awhile.

I don’t see Japan as a country where bribes will get officials to look the other way.
 
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He couldn’t have left Japan on his French passport, as I’m sure with all the news, a passenger presenting Carlos Ghosn’s passport would be detained. So, in the scenario he left openly it was under a forged French passport and having been well disguised. That implies some real professional work. Japanese CIQ knows exactly who flew in and out on Global registered in Turkey as TC-TSR. Handlers at KIX would escort the crew and pax thru CIQ, perhaps officers would come on board, but I have seen handling agents take the passports to CIQ without physically presenting the holders to the officers. Sounds strange, but done it in India, for example. Been thru KIX in a private jet, but it’s been awhile.

I don’t see Japan as a country where bribes will get officials to look the other way.


But would they check outbound baggage like an instrument case? :wink2:

Another pro element to this is they chose the best possible timing. The 29th-3rd basically everyone in Japan is on holiday and CIQ would generally have only their newest hires on staff with seniors taking as much of the New Year holiday as they can.
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:14 am

Echoeing sentiments above, I'll say I can't blame him and I'd love to hear the details of how it happened when they eventually come out. They sound worthy of a novel.

The Japanese 'justice' system is a joke, essentially based on the assumption of guilt with every effort made to prevent the ability to prove otherwise. Guilty or not, he had no chance at a fair trial. Not to mention that a foreign high-profile CEO at the head of Nissan was something the Japanese never quite got unstuck from their throat.
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:37 pm

There is no doubt in my mind that Ghosn has been greedy and has done illegal things for money, that warrant some time behind bars, but most importantly forfeiture of lots of money.

With that said...

SanDiegoLover wrote:
CEOs in Japan get 1/10th the pay the US does. Japan has a much more realistic view of what a CEO really is worth. Thinking a CEO is worth 400 times more valuable than other professional employees at the company is laughable, yet there will be many here slobbering all over themselves to defend such insanity. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianahembr ... ge-worker/

So imagine the outrage and hostility over $158 MILLION. Ghosn knew this would never fly if it were made public, hence the deceit and fraud.


I'm not convinced Japanese people are that realistic about executive pay, it seems to me they want it to be hidden, just as Ghosn was doing. Other Japanese CEOs have been caught doing the exact same things, getting houses bought by the company, etc., and got a slap on the wrist for it.

Ghosn was brought in because he could do what no Japanese CEO could, fire 20 000 Nissan employees, and some at Nissan resent that since then, even though the company recovered fast and rehired most of the people it had fired.

It's very telling that he was ratted on by someone who turned out to be no better.
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It's very telling that he was ratted on by someone who turned out to be no better.


Par for the course - large Japanese companies are VERY political and the backstabbing and undermining are sky-high, it's almost like junior high school over there sometimes.
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He couldn’t have left Japan on his French passport, as I’m sure with all the news, a passenger presenting Carlos Ghosn’s passport would be detained. So, in the scenario he left openly it was under a forged French passport and having been well disguised. That implies some real professional work. Japanese CIQ knows exactly who flew in and out on Global registered in Turkey as TC-TSR. Handlers at KIX would escort the crew and pax thru CIQ, perhaps officers would come on board, but I have seen handling agents take the passports to CIQ without physically presenting the holders to the officers. Sounds strange, but done it in India, for example. Been thru KIX in a private jet, but it’s been awhile.

I don’t see Japan as a country where bribes will get officials to look the other way.


But would they check outbound baggage like an instrument case? :wink2:

Another pro element to this is they chose the best possible timing. The 29th-3rd basically everyone in Japan is on holiday and CIQ would generally have only their newest hires on staff with seniors taking as much of the New Year holiday as they can.


Bizjet baggage is rarely scrutinized, even more rarely physically opened up, so that dodge might have worked. Agree with you on timing, holidays don’t have the A team on duty. The other problem with using a forged passport is that it would have to have an entry stamp and, I presume, an entry recorded in the passport system. The Israelis have pulled it off, but that’s real high grade stuff and they were caught in Dubai.
 
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CEOs in Japan get 1/10th the pay the US does. Japan has a much more realistic view of what a CEO really is worth. Thinking a CEO is worth 400 times more valuable than other professional employees at the company is laughable, yet there will be many here slobbering all over themselves to defend such insanity. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianahembr ... ge-worker/


Well you can always spot someone who hasn't managed people before.

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Almost no country has extradition treaties with Japan from what I heard, as their justice system isn't up to international standards.


The WSJ reported today that Ghosn's supporters put the ex-filtration plan in motion after a judge would not commit to a court date and implied a trial would not start until 2021 at the earliest. That really is quite egregious by U.S. standards where a speedy trial is a constitutional liberty.
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Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:05 pm

In France that would be very speedy. However he wouldn't have been in jail waiting for his trial (unlike a murderer, who would definitely be held in jail, even if rich).

The most serious issues are the initial jail conditions, being given only noodles and water, held in a microscopic cell, tortured psychologically, etc.

Then no access to his family, and no access to the prosecution's case, so basically no ability to defend himself. And the prosecution only investigating in one direction.
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I think it was more along the lines of, "did anyone notice which way that new catering guy went with that bag of ice"

NIKV69 wrote:
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proposed to merge Renault with Nissan.

Isn't that a reason enough to be behind bars? ;)


OMG yes!


Definitely agree

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Okie wrote:
I think it was more along the lines of, "did anyone notice which way that new catering guy went with that bag of ice"

NIKV69 wrote:
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Isn't that a reason enough to be behind bars? ;)


OMG yes!


Definitely agree

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That’s actually more believable than just funny. Get a phony ramp identification badge, primitive disguise and act like the caterer crew. Doors closed, no one knows.
 
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It's very telling that he was ratted on by someone who turned out to be no better.


Par for the course - large Japanese companies are VERY political and the backstabbing and undermining are sky-high, it's almost like junior high school over there sometimes.


Totally agree. I'm currently working for a Japanese company and I won't want to work for another Japanese company ever again!
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Seven people arrested in Turkey including pilots and groundstaff:

Seven people, including four pilots, have been detained in Turkey after Carlos Ghosn was taken through Istanbul following his escape from Japan.

He was smuggled out of Tokyo by a private security firm following a plan three months in the making, Reuters reported.

Lebanon, which does not have an extradition treaty with Japan, said Ghosn entered the country legally on a French passport, and there was no reason to take action against him.



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The flight crew probably did not know the identity of who they were carrying. I just can't believe they were in on it. It would be too easy for the authorities to figure out which aircraft he used to flee the country, so there's no way you could get away with it.
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It is just posturing from Turkey. What would be the legal reason to condemn that crew anyway? Unless Japan can prove that the crew was an active part and complice of the escape....
 
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It is just posturing from Turkey. What would be the legal reason to condemn that crew anyway? Unless Japan can prove that the crew was an active part and complice of the escape....


It wouldn’t be hard to call the crew’s actions aiding and abetting international flight to avoid prosecution.
 
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Would the pilots have known who were their passengers?

On a commercial flight the gate crew, which on outstations can be manned by cabin crew, can be asked to check passports. Would that also apply to a executive jet?

I don’t think it’s much to ask from a pilot to know who they are flying in their multi-million jets.

Of course that would still not necessarily put guilt on the crew, as they might not be familiar with the Ghosn story.
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It is just posturing from Turkey. What would be the legal reason to condemn that crew anyway? Unless Japan can prove that the crew was an active part and complice of the escape....


It wouldn’t be hard to call the crew’s actions aiding and abetting international flight to avoid prosecution.

And the Turks probably won't be too pleased at being made involved in the matter; I've read that the pilots, plus two Turkish ground handlers and the operations manager of the cargo company were all arrested:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/as ... story.html
 
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Would the pilots have known who were their passengers?

On a commercial flight the gate crew, which on outstations can be manned by cabin crew, can be asked to check passports. Would that also apply to a executive jet?

I don’t think it’s much to ask from a pilot to know who they are flying in their multi-million jets.

Of course that would still not necessarily put guilt on the crew, as they might not be familiar with the Ghosn story.


Some sources are saying Ghosn was extracted by a professional security service he hired, with US and Lebanese intel experience. It’s likely the service would charter the flights themselves and keep any crew out of the loop to avoid complications.
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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:49 am

Having flown loads of various people of various nationalities in 3,000 hours of corporate (sort of anyway) flying, the crew knew who was on board and likely knew what the deal was. It’s pretty small cabin, Ghosn is pretty high profile and the circumstances should have been attention-getting. In any case, very unlikely to leave him behind.

WaPo says the crew didn’t know he was onboard, curious, that. What’d they do lock him in baggage?
 
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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:04 am

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Having flown loads of various people of various nationalities in 3,000 hours of corporate (sort of anyway) flying, the crew knew who was on board and likely knew what the deal was. It’s pretty small cabin, Ghosn is pretty high profile and the circumstances should have been attention-getting. In any case, very unlikely to leave him behind.

WaPo says the crew didn’t know he was onboard, curious, that. What’d they do lock him in baggage?


These were intel pros, perhaps they disguised him. It takes 7+ hours to drive from Tokyo to KIX, plenty of time.
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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:07 am

I thought that earlier and it’s likely because the team had to get him out of the house under camera surveillance. But, a Global is pretty small, the crew had to interact with him, even disguised. The captain is responsible for his passengers in jet like that. CIQ comes after him if process isn’t followed. Even in the US, the captain gets the fine for arriving with pax that cannot enter. I know from experience, not my own.
 
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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:19 am

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I thought that earlier and it’s likely because the team had to get him out of the house under camera surveillance. But, a Global is pretty small, the crew had to interact with him, even disguised. The captain is responsible for his passengers in jet like that. CIQ comes after him if process isn’t followed. Even in the US, the captain gets the fine for arriving with pax that cannot enter. I know from experience, not my own.


That’s in the US though. Just by anecdotal knowledge of corruption levels in Turkey it stands to reason a security company would know who they could get to there for a one-off transit.
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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:05 pm

True, MNG flew it, the team probably paid a bribe to let customs/immigration ignore the quick swap of planes, but it might well come down on the crew’s head. I was always very concerned about this happening to a crew.
 
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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:56 pm

Read elsewhere that MNG is now saying two charters were arranged separately and Ghosn’s name never appeared on the paperwork. An MNG employee made the charter arrangements on their own, they said. I could see how the team bundled him off one plane to the the other and no questions were asked. The US requires in transit pax to clear, can’t say about Turkey.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:06 am

WSJ is reporting today, he was boarded in a box used for musical instruments; the team were two Americans experienced in this kind of work and they left Turkey the same day for Beirut. Plane flew into KIX from Dubai.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:26 am

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WSJ is reporting today, he was boarded in a box used for musical instruments; the team were two Americans experienced in this kind of work and they left Turkey the same day for Beirut. Plane flew into KIX from Dubai.


The aircraft flew ISL-TNR-DXB-KIX-ISL. Clearly trying to cover tracks.
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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:32 am

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Read elsewhere that MNG is now saying two charters were arranged separately and Ghosn’s name never appeared on the paperwork. An MNG employee made the charter arrangements on their own, they said. I could see how the team bundled him off one plane to the the other and no questions were asked. The US requires in transit pax to clear, can’t say about Turkey.


Either that or the company is scapegoating this one employee to save their hide. Either way, the ‘security team’ knew who to pay off to get this done.
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Re: Nissan’s Carlos Ghosn Flees Trial In Japan

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:45 am

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WSJ is reporting today, he was boarded in a box used for musical instruments; the team were two Americans experienced in this kind of work and they left Turkey the same day for Beirut. Plane flew into KIX from Dubai.


The aircraft flew ISL-TNR-DXB-KIX-ISL. Clearly trying to cover tracks.


Clearly not, as we figured it out. They block their Flight Aware call sign.

Poor job of scapegoating, the two crew and three ground persons were arrested, last I read.

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