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Re: Cruise Ship / Ocean Liner Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:06 pm

Had an e-mail from P&O this afternoon, our cruise for 2021 has been cancelled.

Same conditions as before, full refund or an enhanced future cruise credit of 125%.

Not really disappointed, as I knew it would be a long shot for the holiday.

So now looking forward to 2022.
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:08 pm

Another factor is that the older liners had a certain 'character' a certain individuality.

Frankly many of the newer ships have all the 'character' of a 1970's tower block.
 
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Tue Nov 24, 2020 2:10 pm

Covid: P&O cancels cruise sailings up to April 2021

P&O will not resume cruise sailings until at least April next year.

The company ended its cruises in March in response to the coronavirus pandemic and has not resumed any of its voyages since.

The Southampton-based firm, which is part of the Carnival group, said the continued pause in operations was because of "the current uncertainty around European ports of call".

The latest round of cancellations affects 19 planned cruises.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england ... e-55058224
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:38 am

northstardc4m wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
northstardc4m wrote:

Unfortunately yes...

MS Marco Polo and MS Astor (Ex-CMV) have been auctioned and sold to scrappers by the receivers.

The Albatross is becoming a floating boutique hotel in Hurghada, Egypt, so I could see a couple cruise ships retired due to COVID-19 becoming hotel and/or museum ships.


If any ship was going to be preserved the Marco Polo would be it, it's a liner and the last Soviet liner in service... and there was no interest in it from any buyers in the auction. It's not happening for the vast majority of retired cruise ships... it's the scrappers torch to end their careers.


Well looks like the Marco Polo is not going for scrap after all... it's been bought by interests based in Dubai, purpose unknown but reportedly not for scrap.
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:40 am

Do you have a link?.
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 2:46 am

So far it's only been on twitter feeds and youtube, but reported by multiple usually reliable sources... as soon as I see something linkable I'll pop it on here.

She is also listed enroute to Port Rashid so there is some tacit confirmation.

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Wed Nov 25, 2020 6:29 am

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So far, the following have been scrapped this year;

Monarch of the Seas
Sovereign of the Seas
Costa Victoria
Carnival Fantasy
Carnival Inspiration
Carnival Imagination

All built between 1991-1996.

Clearly a lot of ships of this age are not going to survive.

All of the above are over 70,000 tons, so possibly more future for smaller ships.

I have not heard of any scrapping begun yet on the Costa Victoria though.
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 11:43 am

New £55m Southampton cruise terminal set to open in 2021

A new £55m cruise terminal is set to open in the port of Southampton, despite the impact of the coronavirus pandemic on the travel industry.

The facility being built will let suitably-equipped ships plug in to a local power supply while in port, rather than using onboard generators.

Much of the cruise industry worldwide has been shut down since March.

www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-hampshire-55049748
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 12:41 pm

ArchGuy1

https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/news/co ... -del-porto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Victoria

Both show as accommodation or scrapping.

However the wiki article also includes this link;

https://www.shippingitaly.it/2020/06/23 ... in-italia/

It suggests that any use as an accommodation will only be short term.

https://www.cruisemapper.com/ships/Costa-Victoria-535

https://www.cruisecritic.co.uk/reviews/ ... ?ShipID=24

Both show as scrapped.

Do you have evidence one way or the other?.
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:07 pm

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https://www.seatrade-cruise.com/news/co ... -del-porto

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costa_Victoria

Both show as accommodation or scrapping.

However the wiki article also includes this link;

https://www.shippingitaly.it/2020/06/23 ... in-italia/

It suggests that any use as an accommodation will only be short term.

https://www.cruisemapper.com/ships/Costa-Victoria-535

https://www.cruisecritic.co.uk/reviews/ ... ?ShipID=24

Both show as scrapped.

Do you have evidence one way or the other?.

From what I heard on a Facebook feed, Costa Victoria was rumored to be going to Jalesh Cruises as their second ship to join Karnika shortly before COVID-19. I can not find a link to this though.
 
 
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Wed Nov 25, 2020 7:52 pm

bennett123 wrote:

I know that Karnika has been sold for scrap, but I heard rumors Costa Victoria would join Karnika before COVID-19.
 
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Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:53 pm

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So far it's only been on twitter feeds and youtube, but reported by multiple usually reliable sources... as soon as I see something linkable I'll pop it on here.

She is also listed enroute to Port Rashid so there is some tacit confirmation.

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Port Rashid is also where the QE2 is currently located as a hotel and museum ship.
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:18 pm

https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/CO ... -247109000

This seems to indicate that it is still in Piombino, and has been for five months.
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 6:10 pm

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https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/COSTA-VICTORIA-IMO-9109031-MMSI-247109000

This seems to indicate that it is still in Piombino, and has been for five months.

One ship being retired due to COVID-19 that is actually becoming a botique hotel like the MV Bore is the Albatross and that will be located in Hurghada, Egypt for her new role.
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 7:12 pm

I think references to events planned pre-covid can all be declared to be pretty much null and void for the sake of discussion. The industry has been effectively destroyed and is restarting from a very different place.

As for yet another alleged ship turned hotel...I’ll believe it when it opens. Seems like quite a few ships become destined for the hotel fate, and then as soon as the “unexpected” conversion prices go up, it’s off to the scrapper
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:12 pm

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I think references to events planned pre-covid can all be declared to be pretty much null and void for the sake of discussion. The industry has been effectively destroyed and is restarting from a very different place.

As for yet another alleged ship turned hotel...I’ll believe it when it opens. Seems like quite a few ships become destined for the hotel fate, and then as soon as the “unexpected” conversion prices go up, it’s off to the scrapper

From what I heard, Albatros is due to open in 2021 and the Saga Sapphire is expected to start service for a new Turkish line next year as well.
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:47 pm

Your source is?
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:57 pm

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Your source is?

These are the sources for the Albatros becoming a hotel ship in 2021 and Saga Sapphire starting operations for Annex Tours this year.
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/crui ... -2020.html
https://www.cruiseharbournews.com/albat ... BfT4SiKHwU
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:57 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Sapphire_(ship)

Will be interesting to see how the cruise market picks up, having been flattened in 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Albatros

Have to wonder how many tourists there are at Hurgharda at present. We have not heard about the situation in Eygpt.

That said, with 830 guests, (up from 812) hopefully things will not be rather cramped. However, previously there would have been 300-400 crew on board. Firstly, this is likely to be reduced, and not all need to be on board. How they re use the propulsion and other, (now surplus) areas will be important.
 
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Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:37 pm

bennett123 wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Sapphire_(ship)

Will be interesting to see how the cruise market picks up, having been flattened in 2020.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_Albatros

Have to wonder how many tourists there are at Hurgharda at present. We have not heard about the situation in Eygpt.

That said, with 830 guests, (up from 812) hopefully things will not be rather cramped. However, previously there would have been 300-400 crew on board. Firstly, this is likely to be reduced, and not all need to be on board. How they re use the propulsion and other, (now surplus) areas will be important.

Hopefully, they will not balconies the Albatross and lengthen the ship further and the rendering seems like something that would be fast for an opening next year.
 
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Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:25 pm

RCI new ship floated out


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Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:23 am

The Karnika has been beached at Alang for scrapping and it is a real loss since that ship was designed by world famous architect Renzo Piano, who also designed the Pompidou Center and The Shard.
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/crui ... india.html
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:19 am

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The Karnika has been beached at Alang for scrapping and it is a real loss since that ship was designed by world famous architect Renzo Piano, who also designed the Pompidou Center and The Shard.
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/crui ... india.html


Her sister ship Satoshi is still afloat.

Why is it a loss, it's just a cruise ship, what other use is there for it? There aren't enough cities that want a shit like this, and the only city that probably has an affinity for the pair is Sydney, and they aren't interested.
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:26 am

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
The Karnika has been beached at Alang for scrapping and it is a real loss since that ship was designed by world famous architect Renzo Piano, who also designed the Pompidou Center and The Shard.
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/crui ... india.html


Her sister ship Satoshi is still afloat.

Why is it a loss, it's just a cruise ship, what other use is there for it? There aren't enough cities that want a shit like this, and the only city that probably has an affinity for the pair is Sydney, and they aren't interested.

Is there interest by the general public for buildings like the Pompidou Center and The Shard on the other hand?
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:41 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
The Karnika has been beached at Alang for scrapping and it is a real loss since that ship was designed by world famous architect Renzo Piano, who also designed the Pompidou Center and The Shard.
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/crui ... india.html


Her sister ship Satoshi is still afloat.

Why is it a loss, it's just a cruise ship, what other use is there for it? There aren't enough cities that want a shit like this, and the only city that probably has an affinity for the pair is Sydney, and they aren't interested.

Is there interest by the general public for buildings like the Pompidou Center and The Shard on the other hand?


You can't compare buildings to ships, it's an apples and oranges situation.
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:59 am

Carnival cancels cruises through February; Mardi Gras debut in Port Canaveral pushed to April

Carnival Cruise Line is the latest cruise line to further push any return to sailing, canceling all its sailings through February, and delaying the debut of new ship Mardi Gras from Port Canaveral until April.
The announcement came one day after both Norwegian Cruise Line and Royal Caribbean announced they too would not sail until at least March 1.

www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/florida- ... utType=amp



Why Royal Caribbean, Norwegian Cruise Line, and Carnival Corporation Stocks All Just Popped

Cruise line stocks surged out of port Thursday, with shares of Royal Caribbean (NYSE:RCL) rising 5.3% in 11:50 a.m. EST trading, Norwegian Cruise Line Holding (NASDAQ:NCLH) up 8.9%, and industry leader Carnival Corporation (NYSE:CCL) (NYSE:CUK) leading the pack -- up 10.3%.

www.fool.com/amp/investing/2020/12/03/w ... -and-carn/
 
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Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:17 pm

Come May 1 and most of those over 60(70)? will be vaccinated. Will crews have any sort of priority? The industry probably should have invested a $billion or two in vaccine research for those priority places in line.
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:33 am

RCCL just had their first sailing in 9 months; they've got 3 and 4 night cruises from Singapore, with contact tracing required, mandatory testing before arriving at the pier and before embarkation, social distancing onboard, and of course mask requirements. All in all it looks very well executed: https://youtu.be/7j-LEkGcY1w
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:56 am

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In the USA, we are seeing increased 'soft' ads for cruises, likely to promote bookings for in mid to late 2021 as vaccines will be out and largely distributed here by then. No doubt there will be a lot of pent up and delayed demand for cruises, only tempered by the large numbers of people who were out of work who won't be able to afford to take a cruise.


I've been getting ads from Royal Caribbean almost 2X a month promising 60% off the 2nd guest plus kids sail free, and each time it's listed as a limited-time sale, only to keep getting extended and rebranded as a Labor Day sale, Black Friday Sale, etc. Clearly they're not stimulating the demand they'd like to see just yet, but I'd imagine they're picking up now that we're seeing such positive news about the Moderna, Pfizer, and Astra-Zeneca vaccine candidates.
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Sat Dec 05, 2020 1:15 pm

Hopefully, our January 2022 cruise AKL-SYD happens...
 
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Hopefully, our January 2022 cruise AKL-SYD happens...


Id say you have a good chance . I do think that cruise lines should have a policy of no vaccination no sail though. Its the only way to install confidence . For those that don't agree with that then stay at home.
 
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Hopefully, our January 2022 cruise AKL-SYD happens...


Id say you have a good chance . I do think that cruise lines should have a policy of no vaccination no sail though. Its the only way to install confidence . For those that don't agree with that then stay at home.
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Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:16 pm

Potential COVID-19 Case on Royal Caribbean's Quantum of the Seas

On just its third cruise back in service, Royal Caribbean International's Quantum of the Seas has a suspected COVID-19 case aboard and the ship is returning to Singapore.

www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/ ... tr0IPstjcc
 
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 5:41 pm

Pullmantur is currently in talks of resuming operations in late 2021 using two Millennium class ships from Celebrity Cruises. This comes after a restructuring plan was approved by Spanish authorities and Royal Caribbean and Pullmantur came to a financial agreement. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/crui ... ships.html
 
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Wed Dec 09, 2020 6:11 pm

IMO, this part should not be overlooked.

Celebrity Cruises has issued the following statement on the matter: "While we fully support the reorganization efforts of Pullmantur and continue to work productively with Pullmantur as it develops its new business plan, it is important to clarify that we have not agreed to lease or sell any of our ships, including any Celebrity Millennium class ships, to Pullmantur."

Furthermore, they would be ships withdrawn from another operator.
 
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Sat Dec 12, 2020 5:26 am

The Ocean Dream has apparently been sold for scrap and is heading to Aliaga, Turkey. This ship entered service in 1982 as the Tropicale and was the first newbuild for Carnival Cruise Lines. Would have been worth preserving as a hotel and museum ship as she is a one off ship and the first Carnival newbuild.
https://www.cruisedeck.de/ocean-dream-u ... ack-werft/
 
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Royal Caribbean, Norwegian Cruise Line Are Put on Credit Watch Over Extended Suspensions

Royal Caribbean Group and Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings were put on watch for a credit-ratings downgrade amid concerns about their recent extensions of U.S. cruise suspensions into February and March

www.barrons.com/articles/royal-caribbea ... BJNBDyTwKU
 
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Seems that the scrappers put in the best bid.
 
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Mon Dec 14, 2020 5:41 am

The Carnival Fascination is becoming a hotel ship in Asia and comes after 26 years with Carnival. Wondering what type of hotel the ship will become though.
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/crui ... -ship.html
 
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We have one coming this next July, that was supposed to be last July, which will probably become the next July. I ain’t crushing with a mask on all the time.
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Rent a Cabin on a Cruise Ship for $1,300 a Month

If you’ve ever dreamed of living on a cruise ship, one company is trying to make that a reality. After buying a former Carnival Corporation cruise ship that sailed under Princess Cruises and P&O, Ocean Builders is selling and renting the cabins to those who want to live on the vessel starting next month.

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Rent a Cabin on a Cruise Ship for $1,300 a Month

If you’ve ever dreamed of living on a cruise ship, one company is trying to make that a reality. After buying a former Carnival Corporation cruise ship that sailed under Princess Cruises and P&O, Ocean Builders is selling and renting the cabins to those who want to live on the vessel starting next month.

Image

https://cruisefever.net/rent-a-cabin-on ... 0-a-month/

Do you think this will become a successful venture?
 
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ArchGuy1 wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Rent a Cabin on a Cruise Ship for $1,300 a Month

If you’ve ever dreamed of living on a cruise ship, one company is trying to make that a reality. After buying a former Carnival Corporation cruise ship that sailed under Princess Cruises and P&O, Ocean Builders is selling and renting the cabins to those who want to live on the vessel starting next month.

Image

https://cruisefever.net/rent-a-cabin-on ... 0-a-month/

Do you think this will become a successful venture?


Not in the current climate.
 
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Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:29 pm

ROYAL CARIBBEAN’S EMPRESS AND MAJESTY OF THE SEAS SET TO DEPART FLEET

MIAMI, Dec. 16, 2020 – Royal Caribbean International today announced Empress and Majesty of the Seas will depart its fleet later this month.
“Empress and Majesty of the Seas made indelible marks on the cruise industry with their revolutionary design and size. Touted as the cruise industry’s most groundbreaking ships when they were introduced, they continued to make history throughout their more than three decades of service,” said Michael Bayley, president and CEO, Royal Caribbean International. “Saying goodbye to these two beloved ships is a major moment in Royal Caribbean’s history – one that is difficult but necessary. With plans for new, innovative ships to join our fleet in the upcoming years, we look forward to our guests and crew continuing to make new memories with us.”
Empress was the first ship designed for 3- and 4-night cruises when she launched in 1990, with her initial sailings visiting The Bahamas from Miami. Empress also made history as the first cruise ship to sail out of Cape Liberty in Bayonne, New Jersey when Royal Caribbean opened the terminal in 2004. In 2017, the ship took center stage again when she set sail on the global cruise line’s inaugural cruise to Cuba.
Majesty also played a crucial role in Royal Caribbean’s commitment to continuously redefine the industry. The third ship to round out the impressive Sovereign Class was more than twice the size of the average cruise ship – and the largest in the vacation company’s fleet – when she debuted in 1992. Her adventures began with 7-night Western Caribbean cruises from Miami.
The ships have been sold to an undisclosed party, based in Asia-Pacific, that will release details for future sailings at a later time.

www.royalcaribbeanpresscenter.com/downl ... ease/1487/
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2020 12:48 am

OA260 wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Rent a Cabin on a Cruise Ship for $1,300 a Month

If you’ve ever dreamed of living on a cruise ship, one company is trying to make that a reality. After buying a former Carnival Corporation cruise ship that sailed under Princess Cruises and P&O, Ocean Builders is selling and renting the cabins to those who want to live on the vessel starting next month.

Image

https://cruisefever.net/rent-a-cabin-on ... 0-a-month/

Do you think this will become a successful venture?


Not in the current climate.



And not at those rates, not forgetting food etc will be extra.
 
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Thu Dec 17, 2020 1:46 am

The joy of cruise ships is visiting different ports. Sitting in one spot in a small cabin doesn't do it for me.
 
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Sat Dec 19, 2020 5:25 am

The Columbus has arrived in Piraeus after being sold to Seajets, while Magellan is being diverted to Oman for use as floating accommodation. It appears Columbus will either go to another company for further cruise service, or sold for scrap.
https://www.cruiseharbournews.com/colpiraeus.html
 
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Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:18 am

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Any idea about the cost and availability of accommodation in Panama City?.
 
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Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:19 am

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Accommodation Unit doesn't sound like a hotel.

Any idea what they have in mind?.

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