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GalaxyFlyer
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:28 pm

SanDiegoLover wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:
Look, I’m glad Soleimani is dead. What I have an immense issue with however, is the way he was targeted and killed. The US is claiming this is not an act of war, only now, because they have to, America is now setting a precedent that it is ok, and is not an act of war, to specifically target and kill a State Executive, in a non-war zone / peaceful country. Soleimani was essentially the Secretary of Defense for Iran given his purview.

Soleimani Is not and was not some rogue terrorist. He was acting under direct guidance and oversight of Iran’s official government. Any actions he carried out were on behalf of Iran. Any CIC retaliation for real or perceived violence has historically always been directed at or on official government forces. This is far different. I always hated GW Bush and Obama’s unchecked drone attacks, but this has breached a new paradigm in war and conflict.

The US now can have Iran, North Korea, Yemen, Afghanistan, Cuba, whomever that has been dealing with violence, strike and kill The Secretary of Defense or the CIA Director using a drone in some 3rd country....say Mexico or Canada and state it is not an act of war as they had intel that these men/women were an imminent danger to them. Trump just opened the Pandora’s Box of drone warfare. Unfortunately, Americans have the attention span of a Khardashian and will freak out when it happens against the US.


Really? Using that argument soldiers can’t be fired upon and killed. Soleimani is uniform-wearing, gun toting soldier.


Wrong! He was specifically targeted and assassinated. He was under escort of the official government of Iraq, and we killed those Iraqis escorting him as well. What will you say when some “gun toting” American official like Mattis or Petraeus is blown sky high while on a government trip to France or the U.K. and killed by an Iranian or Afghan/Taliban drone strike? You’ll just shrug your shoulders and say, “eliminated fair and square”? Yeah, didn’t think so!


Soldiers get killed, that’s why we wear uniforms—to be acknowledged as combatants. That Soleimani targeted civilians, used terror tactics in Syria and Iraq, killed many Americans by IED means he’s a target. Lots of Arabs , including Iraqis are happy to see Iran punched in the nose, as reported in the link above from The Atlantic.

He directed the killing of an American civilian contractor, incited an attack in the US embassy, what would it take to make him a target? As to a counter terror attack by Iran, the mullahs know for certain the US can out-escalate them 10 times over. As opposed to Obama’s redlines, Trump’s are bright.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:07 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:

Really? Using that argument soldiers can’t be fired upon and killed. Soleimani is uniform-wearing, gun toting soldier.


Wrong! He was specifically targeted and assassinated. He was under escort of the official government of Iraq, and we killed those Iraqis escorting him as well. What will you say when some “gun toting” American official like Mattis or Petraeus is blown sky high while on a government trip to France or the U.K. and killed by an Iranian or Afghan/Taliban drone strike? You’ll just shrug your shoulders and say, “eliminated fair and square”? Yeah, didn’t think so!


Soldiers get killed, that’s why we wear uniforms—to be acknowledged as combatants. That Soleimani targeted civilians, used terror tactics in Syria and Iraq, killed many Americans by IED means he’s a target. Lots of Arabs , including Iraqis are happy to see Iran punched in the nose, as reported in the link above from The Atlantic.

He directed the killing of an American civilian contractor, incited an attack in the US embassy, what would it take to make him a target? As to a counter terror attack by Iran, the mullahs know for certain the US can out-escalate them 10 times over. As opposed to Obama’s redlines, Trump’s are bright.


You’re getting way too wrapped up emotionally with Soleimani the man, not the office / authority he holds. Do you understand that this attack is completely unprecedented regarding Iran? Do you understand we used our base in Iraq to kill an Iranian (and Iraqis) within Iraq, against our agreement with the Iraqi government? Soleimani Himself didn’t do any of those acts, yes he may have overseen them or gave the green light but how is that any different the further up or down the chain of command? Do you understand this is an assassination of a top government official?

All’s far in love and war...so now turn this precedent on its face. Since Trump himself has signed off on all of this collateral death, it’s fair to take him out or any of the 4 star generals involved, no?

So you won’t get upset when various US or NATO officials go BOOM in the near future.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:10 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:
Look, I’m glad Soleimani is dead. What I have an immense issue with however, is the way he was targeted and killed. The US is claiming this is not an act of war, only now, because they have to, America is now setting a precedent that it is ok, and is not an act of war, to specifically target and kill a State Executive, in a non-war zone / peaceful country. Soleimani was essentially the Secretary of Defense for Iran given his purview.

Soleimani Is not and was not some rogue terrorist. He was acting under direct guidance and oversight of Iran’s official government. Any actions he carried out were on behalf of Iran. Any CIC retaliation for real or perceived violence has historically always been directed at or on official government forces. This is far different. I always hated GW Bush and Obama’s unchecked drone attacks, but this has breached a new paradigm in war and conflict.

The US now can have Iran, North Korea, Yemen, Afghanistan, Cuba, whomever that has been dealing with violence, strike and kill The Secretary of Defense or the CIA Director using a drone in some 3rd country....say Mexico or Canada and state it is not an act of war as they had intel that these men/women were an imminent danger to them. Trump just opened the Pandora’s Box of drone warfare. Unfortunately, Americans have the attention span of a Khardashian and will freak out when it happens against the US.


Really? Using that argument soldiers can’t be fired upon and killed. Soleimani is uniform-wearing, gun toting soldier.


..and why then, was this a 'smart' move? I mean you are here applauding and cheering like no defender's business. so yeah..why was this a smart move?

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:14 pm

THS214 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
The Game of Thrones that the Middle East is continues....yawn. Jacksonian Democrats that voted for Trump, out him over the top in Michigan and Wisconsin will love this act. Iranians orchestrate an attack on our embassy, tweets gets exchanged between Trump and Khamanei, boom there goes his general within a few miles of said embassy. The crowd goes wild.


Do I read sarcasm in your post?

Unfortunately this attack is like Iran kills US president. No matter your political stance you call for revenge in that case? After this attack anything US related is an accepted target for Iran (and their allies). No matter if its a military or civilian target. And that big attack will come. Otherwise Iran loses its face.

So far I thought that Trump was good in not starting wars and not attacking even when people around him told to attack. Now he made the most terrible attack one can think of... unless he wants a war against Iran and Iraq. Remember that the attack was as much against Iran as Iraq. A can of worms is opened.

And the embassy attack was a retaliation of a US attack.


Which was a retaliation for multiple Iranian backed attacks. Fixed that for you.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:25 pm

So what is the US strategy for the middle east? Why is the US military there? Why not just leave?
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:36 pm

AeroVega wrote:
So what is the US strategy for the middle east? Why is the US military there? Why not just leave?


I'd be thrilled if we left. We as a nation don't really need oil. It's bad for the environment anyways. Let the region waste itself away.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:46 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
AeroVega wrote:
So what is the US strategy for the middle east? Why is the US military there? Why not just leave?


I'd be thrilled if we left. We as a nation don't really need oil. It's bad for the environment anyways. Let the region waste itself away.


I suspect that a majority of your countrymen feel the same way. So how come successive US governments keep insisting that the US military should stay?
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:49 pm

BN747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:
Look, I’m glad Soleimani is dead. What I have an immense issue with however, is the way he was targeted and killed. The US is claiming this is not an act of war, only now, because they have to, America is now setting a precedent that it is ok, and is not an act of war, to specifically target and kill a State Executive, in a non-war zone / peaceful country. Soleimani was essentially the Secretary of Defense for Iran given his purview.

Soleimani Is not and was not some rogue terrorist. He was acting under direct guidance and oversight of Iran’s official government. Any actions he carried out were on behalf of Iran. Any CIC retaliation for real or perceived violence has historically always been directed at or on official government forces. This is far different. I always hated GW Bush and Obama’s unchecked drone attacks, but this has breached a new paradigm in war and conflict.

The US now can have Iran, North Korea, Yemen, Afghanistan, Cuba, whomever that has been dealing with violence, strike and kill The Secretary of Defense or the CIA Director using a drone in some 3rd country....say Mexico or Canada and state it is not an act of war as they had intel that these men/women were an imminent danger to them. Trump just opened the Pandora’s Box of drone warfare. Unfortunately, Americans have the attention span of a Khardashian and will freak out when it happens against the US.


Really? Using that argument soldiers can’t be fired upon and killed. Soleimani is uniform-wearing, gun toting soldier.


..and why then, was this a 'smart' move? I mean you are here applauding and cheering like no defender's business. so yeah..why was this a smart move?

BN747


It’s a gamble, but your blind hatred of Trump has put on the side an Iranian terrorists, congratulations. Hal ?Brands says it better than I could.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-03/trump-iran-strike-how-the-u-s-gamble-can-pay-off?srnd=opinion
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:55 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:
Look, I’m glad Soleimani is dead. What I have an immense issue with however, is the way he was targeted and killed. The US is claiming this is not an act of war, only now, because they have to, America is now setting a precedent that it is ok, and is not an act of war, to specifically target and kill a State Executive, in a non-war zone / peaceful country. Soleimani was essentially the Secretary of Defense for Iran given his purview.

Soleimani Is not and was not some rogue terrorist. He was acting under direct guidance and oversight of Iran’s official government. Any actions he carried out were on behalf of Iran. Any CIC retaliation for real or perceived violence has historically always been directed at or on official government forces. This is far different. I always hated GW Bush and Obama’s unchecked drone attacks, but this has breached a new paradigm in war and conflict.

The US now can have Iran, North Korea, Yemen, Afghanistan, Cuba, whomever that has been dealing with violence, strike and kill The Secretary of Defense or the CIA Director using a drone in some 3rd country....say Mexico or Canada and state it is not an act of war as they had intel that these men/women were an imminent danger to them. Trump just opened the Pandora’s Box of drone warfare. Unfortunately, Americans have the attention span of a Khardashian and will freak out when it happens against the US.


Really? Using that argument soldiers can’t be fired upon and killed. Soleimani is uniform-wearing, gun toting soldier.

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 10:56 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
BN747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:

Really? Using that argument soldiers can’t be fired upon and killed. Soleimani is uniform-wearing, gun toting soldier.


..and why then, was this a 'smart' move? I mean you are here applauding and cheering like no defender's business. so yeah..why was this a smart move?

BN747


It’s a gamble, but your blind hatred of Trump has put on the side an Iranian terrorists, congratulations. Hal ?Brands says it better than I could.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-03/trump-iran-strike-how-the-u-s-gamble-can-pay-off?srnd=opinion


Did you even read what he wrote? “is gambling extraordinary escalation will allow it to reassert control of an intensifying U.S.-Iran confrontation. It may actually work. But weathering the diplomatic and military fallout will require far greater skill and competence than Trump’s team has displayed so far.”

And you wonder why we’re concerned. Both GW Bush and Obama had opportunities to take him out but did not because they both feared it would escalate to full out warfare. Two Presidents, of two different parties both felt the same, and in doing so kept us out of a shooting war with Iran. A difficult, uneasy, situation to be sure, but it wasn’t war. Trump the casino king thinks differently.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:20 pm

SanDiegoLover wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
BN747 wrote:

..and why then, was this a 'smart' move? I mean you are here applauding and cheering like no defender's business. so yeah..why was this a smart move?

BN747


It’s a gamble, but your blind hatred of Trump has put on the side an Iranian terrorists, congratulations. Hal ?Brands says it better than I could.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-03/trump-iran-strike-how-the-u-s-gamble-can-pay-off?srnd=opinion


Did you even read what he wrote? “is gambling extraordinary escalation will allow it to reassert control of an intensifying U.S.-Iran confrontation. It may actually work. But weathering the diplomatic and military fallout will require far greater skill and competence than Trump’s team has displayed so far.”

And you wonder why we’re concerned. Both GW Bush and Obama had opportunities to take him out but did not because they both feared it would escalate to full out warfare. Two Presidents, of two different parties both felt the same, and in doing so kept us out of a shooting war with Iran. A difficult, uneasy, situation to be sure, but it wasn’t war. Trump the casino king thinks differently.


Blind Hatred for trump, ha? That's funny because I had a blind hatred for well resourced kids who grew up to become even bigger losers than their parents imagined and voluntarily remained ignorant.

Just that now, one has made it into the presidency.

Now, were Herman Uzbeki-beki-beki-stan Cain president, I'd torpedo his ass too because just like your hero...he's an idiot as well, I'm sure I have posts here of me displaying 'Blind Hatred for Cain' too.

I just hate Super Stupid people in Super Important positions...it's watch that 'worse DMV' person become the Supervisor, but this is far worse. The country is hoisted into danger over the vapid impulses of a moron. Too bad you're not a teen any longer, you could go fight for him..and that's who you'd be fighting for, not America but trump.

But your gamble on a bonehead move, is floating us into creating another Global headache ...ALL because you hero, just had to rip apart the Iranian armed treaty deal Because Obama had made it.

I mean that is why we are here today, right?

A Chucklehead got insanely mad over a deal his predecessor did (along with a 1000 other things) and now lives are being lost.

A beginning and an end...so now, tell us this glorious ending you are anticipating...or are you too hoping the bombs will silence the Impeachment calls?


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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:24 am

SanDiegoLover wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:


All’s far in love and war...so now turn this precedent on its face. Since Trump himself has signed off on all of this collateral death, it’s fair to take him out or any of the 4 star generals involved, no?

So you won’t get upset when various US or NATO officials go BOOM in the near future.


Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly. They aren't that foolish.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:27 am

AeroVega wrote:
So what is the US strategy for the middle east? Why is the US military there? Why not just leave?


We need to maintain somewhat of a presence in the region because if we don't, our rivals will. Rest assured that China and Russia are just as invested in meddling in Middle Eastern affairs as the United States is.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:33 am

N583JB wrote:
AeroVega wrote:
So what is the US strategy for the middle east? Why is the US military there? Why not just leave?


We need to maintain somewhat of a presence in the region because if we don't, our rivals will. Rest assured that China and Russia are just as invested in meddling in Middle Eastern affairs as the United States is.


Let them have it. Let them have the casualties. Let them have the debt. Let them have it all.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:57 am

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All levels of crazy and stupid. Tucker Carlson gets this one right:

https://youtu.be/sthVmGSFwhQ


No, not really. Tucker Carlson tries to lay this at the feet of "official Washington" and John Bolton. While at the same time making it sound like Trump is just some innocent pawn in all this. News flash Tucker, you're network has been cheer leading confrontation with Iran ever since Obama signed that nuclear deal. And where does he think Trump gets his foreign policy ideas from? From listening to guys like John Bolton on Fox News. Why do you think he got the job as NSA?

Someone needs to give TC a civics lesson and tell him neither "official Washington" nor a former NSA adviser have the ability to order such a military operation. Only the president does. In other words this whole mess is of Trumps doing.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:07 am

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As opposed to Obama’s redlines, Trump’s are bright.


GWB had bright lines as well and look what that got us. The current mess in Iraq.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:33 am

Well, if one strike at Iran’s terrorists isn’t enough, hit ‘em again! Iran cannot and will not win a war of escalation. Conventional Washington wisdom be damned.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-blast-taji/air-strikes-targeting-iraqi-militia-kill-six-army-source-idUSKBN1Z229P
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:48 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Well, if one strike at Iran’s terrorists isn’t enough, hit ‘em again! Iran cannot and will not win a war of escalation. Conventional Washington wisdom be damned.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-blast-taji/air-strikes-targeting-iraqi-militia-kill-six-army-source-idUSKBN1Z229P


Linked in the same story - Iraqis say the victims of the strike were medics, not combatants. Either they are wrong or the Iraqi government has already started helping in the PR war. Not good.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq ... SKBN1Z3005
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:47 am

N583JB wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:


Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly. They aren't that foolish.


And you wonder why they’re pursuing nuclear weapons.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:49 am

SanDiegoLover wrote:
N583JB wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:


Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly. They aren't that foolish.


And you wonder why they’re pursuing nuclear weapons.


Because they want to destroy Israel? Not really a secret.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:15 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Well, if one strike at Iran’s terrorists isn’t enough, hit ‘em again! Iran cannot and will not win a war of escalation. Conventional Washington wisdom be damned.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-blast-taji/air-strikes-targeting-iraqi-militia-kill-six-army-source-idUSKBN1Z229P


Tough talk from the comfort of ones arm chair.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:29 am

N583JB wrote:
Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly.


Withdraw American troops from the region or send all the caskets you have. Iran is a ferocious enemy with a nation of people that will never give up. The gruesome 8 year Iraq-Iran war scarred Iranians with chemical weapons, trench warfare, and human waves that left an entire generation without men in Iran, but they never gave up.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike by US

Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:30 am

chimborazo wrote:
dmg626 wrote:
QXatFAT wrote:

Agreed! I have a feeling when I wake up in the morning, this are going to be even more crazy!

Let the speculation begin on how Iran will retaliate.


They know any retaliation will result in ten fold damage from the US. Their state sponsored terrorism has gone unchecked for years with attempts made at appeasement, deal with them the only way they understand.


Remind us which country Iran has invaded and how many tens of thousands of people they have killed in the process....?
Oh... that’ll be USA that did that.

Fucking about with Iran is ridiculous... the USA should be invading Saudi and wiping out that regime if they want to do something useful.



He was a major allied to USA in 2001 against their common enemy the saudi backed Talibans. Then USA decided that saudi was more importent then a very competent country like Iran and stabbed them in the back.

Both Saudi and Iran together with other actors in ME like israel and USA use terror for their purposes. Iran against Israel (hisbollah) and Saudi (yemen) Saudi against Iran (syria) and Soviet (taliban), israel against palestinians using libanese christians in libanon, jews in west bank etc.

Iran could become a very powerful allied to USA then Saudi for example that even supported terror against usa on usa soil.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:02 am

sonicruiser wrote:
N583JB wrote:
Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly.


Withdraw American troops from the region or send all the caskets you have. Iran is a ferocious enemy with a nation of people that will never give up. The gruesome 8 year Iraq-Iran war scarred Iranians with chemical weapons, trench warfare, and human waves that left an entire generation without men in Iran, but they never gave up.


This cannot be overstated. The United States have no idea what it is to deal with a foreign invasion. Thanks to what is more or less an accident of geography, we have never had to deal with that.
The cheerleaders for war on this thread are a shameful admission of this.
In any case, no, we would not likely survive a full scale war here.

While the Iranians would take appalling casualties, what Americans simply do not understand is the will to sustain that and push us back off. They will not pack up and go home after a few thousand caskets they way we do. This is their home field, and the terrain there prohibits our ability to meaningfully support any invading troops.

Drone strikes will quickly become a two way street as well. There is little doubt that China, smelling blood in the water, will sell Iran what they need to harass Americans at home. At the point, yes, we will finally begin to rightfully accuse the Iranians of terrorism.

That will likely be the point when we fully comprehend the mistake we've made. But by then, it will be too late. China and Russia, without meaningful US presence to balance them out, will begin to reshape their respective regions in ways that better suit their needs.

I do not believe this is something that was well planned out by anyone, but the show of noisy stupids out there make it clear why Russia and China are in a good position to take advantage of this administration's miserable attempts at foreign policy.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 6:23 am

Enter the VP with a little obfuscation (or incompetence? take your pick) for those that don’t know the difference between AQ, IS, Iran and anything else in the sandbox:

As the Trump administration defended the assassination on Friday, the vice president in a tweet said that Soleimani had assisted "in the clandestine travel to Afghanistan of 10 of the 12 terrorists who carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States."

But the official government report on the events leading up to the attacks, known as the 9/11 Commission report, undermines Pence.

The report states there is "no evidence that Iran or Hezbollah was aware of the planning for what later became the 9/11 attack."


https://www.businessinsider.com/pence-i ... ani-2020-1
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:08 am

N583JB wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:
N583JB wrote:

Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly. They aren't that foolish.


And you wonder why they’re pursuing nuclear weapons.


Because they want to destroy Israel? Not really a secret.


If they'd destroy Israel they would be destroying themselves. The mere idea of Iran wanting to destroy Israel is infantile and idiotic.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 9:15 am

Strange that this ‘fact’ is only announced 18 years later.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:01 am

sonicruiser wrote:
N583JB wrote:
Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly.


Withdraw American troops from the region or send all the caskets you have. Iran is a ferocious enemy with a nation of people that will never give up. The gruesome 8 year Iraq-Iran war scarred Iranians with chemical weapons, trench warfare, and human waves that left an entire generation without men in Iran, but they never gave up.


No one is invading Iran. If Iran were to try something foolish, our air and naval superiority would be enough to destroy Iran's military within days. No ground forces needed.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:03 am

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sonicruiser wrote:
N583JB wrote:
Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly.


Withdraw American troops from the region or send all the caskets you have. Iran is a ferocious enemy with a nation of people that will never give up. The gruesome 8 year Iraq-Iran war scarred Iranians with chemical weapons, trench warfare, and human waves that left an entire generation without men in Iran, but they never gave up.


This cannot be overstated. The United States have no idea what it is to deal with a foreign invasion. Thanks to what is more or less an accident of geography, we have never had to deal with that.
The cheerleaders for war on this thread are a shameful admission of this.
In any case, no, we would not likely survive a full scale war here.

While the Iranians would take appalling casualties, what Americans simply do not understand is the will to sustain that and push us back off. They will not pack up and go home after a few thousand caskets they way we do. This is their home field, and the terrain there prohibits our ability to meaningfully support any invading troops.

Drone strikes will quickly become a two way street as well. There is little doubt that China, smelling blood in the water, will sell Iran what they need to harass Americans at home. At the point, yes, we will finally begin to rightfully accuse the Iranians of terrorism.

That will likely be the point when we fully comprehend the mistake we've made. But by then, it will be too late. China and Russia, without meaningful US presence to balance them out, will begin to reshape their respective regions in ways that better suit their needs.

I do not believe this is something that was well planned out by anyone, but the show of noisy stupids out there make it clear why Russia and China are in a good position to take advantage of this administration's miserable attempts at foreign policy.


No one is talking about invading Iran. Not sure why people keep bringing that up. Moreover, any "invasion" of the United States would be decimated before it even left Iran's airspace.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:15 am

N583JB wrote:
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:

Withdraw American troops from the region or send all the caskets you have. Iran is a ferocious enemy with a nation of people that will never give up. The gruesome 8 year Iraq-Iran war scarred Iranians with chemical weapons, trench warfare, and human waves that left an entire generation without men in Iran, but they never gave up.


This cannot be overstated. The United States have no idea what it is to deal with a foreign invasion. Thanks to what is more or less an accident of geography, we have never had to deal with that.
The cheerleaders for war on this thread are a shameful admission of this.
In any case, no, we would not likely survive a full scale war here.

While the Iranians would take appalling casualties, what Americans simply do not understand is the will to sustain that and push us back off. They will not pack up and go home after a few thousand caskets they way we do. This is their home field, and the terrain there prohibits our ability to meaningfully support any invading troops.

Drone strikes will quickly become a two way street as well. There is little doubt that China, smelling blood in the water, will sell Iran what they need to harass Americans at home. At the point, yes, we will finally begin to rightfully accuse the Iranians of terrorism.

That will likely be the point when we fully comprehend the mistake we've made. But by then, it will be too late. China and Russia, without meaningful US presence to balance them out, will begin to reshape their respective regions in ways that better suit their needs.

I do not believe this is something that was well planned out by anyone, but the show of noisy stupids out there make it clear why Russia and China are in a good position to take advantage of this administration's miserable attempts at foreign policy.


No one is talking about invading Iran. Not sure why people keep bringing that up. Moreover, any "invasion" of the United States would be decimated before it even left Iran's airspace.


Not here maybe, but some are. I saw plenty of comments today on Fox and Breitbart along the lines of ‘turn them into glass’, ‘rip the towels off the mullahs’, ‘let the MOABs do the talking’ and so on. This is precisely the kind of chest beating Tucker Carlson was deriding in last night’s segment.
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:57 am

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It worked well? You mean up until the point they got to the gates of Vienna before finally being turned back?


I said until about 1250, the siege of Vienna was in 1529. In case you need help figuring that one out, it means the golden age of Islam ended way before that.
So no, obviously not what I mean.

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And 1683,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vienna


Which is true, but also completely irrelevant to the context.

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Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:05 am

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Trump just now has gone live on the air to proclaim; “this is not an act of war”, and “we are not after regime change in Iran”. Only now, way too late, have these bozos figured out just what chaos they’ve unleashed. Morons.
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So, that means when the retaliate in kind, the roughly equivalent person to hit would be Mike Pence, and killed him, that wouldn't be an act of war. Trump has just invited military action against the US and its forces by whomever deems that useful.

Splendid. But they won't of course kill Pence, but Trump's continued provocation, there where no strikes, as in zero, against US forces while the Iran deal was on until Trump put illegal sanctions on Iran, and will now lead to Iran defending itself.

Put the Iranian hardliners will quietly pop another bottle of Champagne and be grateful for Trumps help. Protests against the Iranian government? Not this year...

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Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:11 am

N583JB wrote:
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:

Withdraw American troops from the region or send all the caskets you have. Iran is a ferocious enemy with a nation of people that will never give up. The gruesome 8 year Iraq-Iran war scarred Iranians with chemical weapons, trench warfare, and human waves that left an entire generation without men in Iran, but they never gave up.


This cannot be overstated. The United States have no idea what it is to deal with a foreign invasion. Thanks to what is more or less an accident of geography, we have never had to deal with that.
The cheerleaders for war on this thread are a shameful admission of this.
In any case, no, we would not likely survive a full scale war here.

While the Iranians would take appalling casualties, what Americans simply do not understand is the will to sustain that and push us back off. They will not pack up and go home after a few thousand caskets they way we do. This is their home field, and the terrain there prohibits our ability to meaningfully support any invading troops.

Drone strikes will quickly become a two way street as well. There is little doubt that China, smelling blood in the water, will sell Iran what they need to harass Americans at home. At the point, yes, we will finally begin to rightfully accuse the Iranians of terrorism.

That will likely be the point when we fully comprehend the mistake we've made. But by then, it will be too late. China and Russia, without meaningful US presence to balance them out, will begin to reshape their respective regions in ways that better suit their needs.

I do not believe this is something that was well planned out by anyone, but the show of noisy stupids out there make it clear why Russia and China are in a good position to take advantage of this administration's miserable attempts at foreign policy.


No one is talking about invading Iran. Not sure why people keep bringing that up. Moreover, any "invasion" of the United States would be decimated before it even left Iran's airspace.


Last time someone needed an air force to attack you they just go an airline ticket. Now they probably just train some pilots and place them at airlines flying to the US. Probably they already have those on standby.

Well, if they had "swapped" your government twice and goated Canada into waging a decade of war against you, you'd have dozens of those generals.

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Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:01 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:
Trump just now has gone live on the air to proclaim; “this is not an act of war”, and “we are not after regime change in Iran”. Only now, way too late, have these bozos figured out just what chaos they’ve unleashed. Morons.
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So, that means when the retaliate in kind, the roughly equivalent person to hit would be Mike Pence, and killed him, that wouldn't be an act of war. Trump has just invited military action against the US and its forces by whomever deems that useful.

Splendid. But they won't of course kill Pence, but Trump's continued provocation, there where no strikes, as in zero, against US forces while the Iran deal was on until Trump put illegal sanctions on Iran, and will now lead to Iran defending itself.

Put the Iranian hardliners will quietly pop another bottle of Champagne and be grateful for Trumps help. Protests against the Iranian government? Not this year...

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They won’t retaliate that way most likely, because they know the response would be asymmetrical and once down that road, there’s no going back. But they can cripple the economy and specific industries with DDoS and other IT attacks that most US civilian networks are pretty poorly protected from. Ironically, it’s the bean-counting approach in our economic system that makes us so vulnerable - truly robust internet security is very expensive and cheaper vendors/scope of protection are usually chosen.
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:14 pm

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Enter the VP with a little obfuscation (or incompetence? take your pick) for those that don’t know the difference between AQ, IS, Iran and anything else in the sandbox:

As the Trump administration defended the assassination on Friday, the vice president in a tweet said that Soleimani had assisted "in the clandestine travel to Afghanistan of 10 of the 12 terrorists who carried out the September 11 terrorist attacks in the United States."

But the official government report on the events leading up to the attacks, known as the 9/11 Commission report, undermines Pence.

The report states there is "no evidence that Iran or Hezbollah was aware of the planning for what later became the 9/11 attack."


https://www.businessinsider.com/pence-i ... ani-2020-1


He knows as well as bush administration new that saudi supported talibans as did usa did until late 1980s. Iran was enemy to talibans and was the direct reason why usa official could defeat them fast in 2001 - 2002. When bush messed up and supported saudi anyway iran backed out and the mess in afganistan started. Today taliban is about to take over.

The history repeats itself with isi, islamic state. Supported by saudi to attack syria regime it went out of control. Like him or not but he was the main genrral driving them to defeat. Not any usa forces.

He was a threat to Israel not to usa. Saudi and its allies like talibans and isis etc is threat to usa.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:20 pm

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- truly robust internet security is very expensive and cheaper vendors/scope of protection are usually chosen.


We do robust, critical infrastructure level, internet security and it ain't expensive. However, we regularly find more expensive competitor products having old, script-kiddy level, vulnerabilities, just this last Friday one from 2011 in an out of the box products.
Most IT security companies are simply fraud.

But yeah, won't be direct.

And as typical bullies Trumpistas will be major pissed once there is pushback.

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Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:27 pm

Iran is winning over saudi, and that is the problem right now. Saudi got their vietnam in yemen, where Iran supported rebels wins over saudi back forces.

Saudi backed isis get their buts kicked in syria.

Even against Israel iran backed Hamas and special hesbollah seems to putnisrael in a position where israel need to negotiate on there terms. More moderate plo is joked about.

And please, all actors in ME do terror. Iran, Saudi and Israel. Even USA. So do not play innocent.



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Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:28 pm

N583JB wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:


Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly. They aren't that foolish.


They killed how many US soldiers after the US had invaded Iraq with essentially impunity? They can do again, because everyone understands that you can ultimately live through whatever they throw at you, but that they can kill an order of magnitude more than you are willing to take.

Keep in mind they did much of the work defeating ISIS while you essentially provided the helpless onlookers......

How much Vietnam, Irak and Afghanistan do you need to realize you overestimate the abilities of your armed forces against a determined asymetrical enemy by miles......

Remeber it wasn't your forces that stopped the insurgency in Iraq, it was the now dead general that ordered "stop" and it stopped.

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Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:16 pm

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GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Well, if one strike at Iran’s terrorists isn’t enough, hit ‘em again! Iran cannot and will not win a war of escalation. Conventional Washington wisdom be damned.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-blast-taji/air-strikes-targeting-iraqi-militia-kill-six-army-source-idUSKBN1Z229P


Linked in the same story - Iraqis say the victims of the strike were medics, not combatants. Either they are wrong or the Iraqi government has already started helping in the PR war. Not good.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq ... SKBN1Z3005



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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:20 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
N583JB wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:


Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly. They aren't that foolish.


They killed how many US soldiers after the US had invaded Iraq with essentially impunity? They can do again, because everyone understands that you can ultimately live through whatever they throw at you, but that they can kill an order of magnitude more than you are willing to take.

Keep in mind they did much of the work defeating ISIS while you essentially provided the helpless onlookers......

How much Vietnam, Irak and Afghanistan do you need to realize you overestimate the abilities of your armed forces against a determined asymetrical enemy by miles......

Remeber it wasn't your forces that stopped the insurgency in Iraq, it was the now dead general that ordered "stop" and it stopped.

Best regards
Thomas


That was after Iran had in practise handled USA war against the Saudi supported Talibans, bush turned on them, declared thempart of axis of evil and invaded Iraq and supported the Kurds with weapons against Turkey, Iran and Iraq.

Now suddenly Kurds get on the same side as Iran after another USA messup...
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:29 pm

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N583JB wrote:
Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly.


Withdraw American troops from the region or send all the caskets you have. Iran is a ferocious enemy with a nation of people that will never give up. The gruesome 8 year Iraq-Iran war scarred Iranians with chemical weapons, trench warfare, and human waves that left an entire generation without men in Iran, but they never gave up.



Don’t tempt me with a good time chief. Been to Afghanistan, trained with Armed forces from around the world. Iranian army is trash, no relevant combat experience in the past 30 years, they are good at IEDs and small scale stuff. In open war on a full spectrum battlefield the Iranians would be smashed within 72 hours. Iran’s only hope is China or Russia coming to their help, but that’s debatable. Dirty Mike and the boys are waiting for the invitation. Is there green grass that needs to grow?
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:30 pm

You have some (few) people claiming there is a plan going on, then you hear what Pompeo has to say and you're relieved of any doubt that they don't know what they're doing : https://www.politico.eu/article/pompeo- ... ni-strike/

"The Brits, the French, the Germans all need to understand that what we did, what the Americans did, saved lives in Europe as well," he said.”


We understand that the exact opposite is true, moron !
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:32 pm

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Withdraw American troops from the region or send all the caskets you have. Iran is a ferocious enemy with a nation of people that will never give up. The gruesome 8 year Iraq-Iran war scarred Iranians with chemical weapons, trench warfare, and human waves that left an entire generation without men in Iran, but they never gave up.


Don’t tempt me with a good time chief. Been to Afghanistan, trained with Armed forces from around the world. Iranian army is trash, no relevant combat experience in the past 30 years, they are good at IEDs and small scale stuff. In open war on a full spectrum battlefield the Iranians would be smashed within 72 hours. Iran’s only hope is China or Russia coming to their help, but that’s debatable. Dirty Mike and the boys are waiting for the invitation. Is there green grass that needs to grow?[/quote]

Sure you can smash their military, then what ? What will have been accomplished, besides making millions more your enemies for decades to come ?
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:40 pm

dmg626 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Well, if one strike at Iran’s terrorists isn’t enough, hit ‘em again! Iran cannot and will not win a war of escalation. Conventional Washington wisdom be damned.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-security-blast-taji/air-strikes-targeting-iraqi-militia-kill-six-army-source-idUSKBN1Z229P


Linked in the same story - Iraqis say the victims of the strike were medics, not combatants. Either they are wrong or the Iraqi government has already started helping in the PR war. Not good.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq ... SKBN1Z3005



If it’s a building that’s hit they usually say it’s a baby milk factory for the dupes dumb enough to believe stuff like that



This is normally a problem for all attacking forces. If you know you are a target you keep to civilian targets like medics in order to raise the cost of attacking.

It is therefore too many weddings are attacked. The target that shall be murdered enters for 30 minutes, leaves and then there is missiles.

My question is if it is ok for let say Iranto act in the same way against its enemies like Israel or USA?

Both shamir and sharon is proven to have been part of terrorist acts. Probably many of Israels high command today as well. CIA generals and government was actively supporting terror around the world and probably is today. Is it Kill a US high commander for actively supporting terror in Nicaragua?

USA and Europe need to find a way to make the triangle of Israel, Iran and Saudi stop using terror. A free palestinian people living in dignety and their own country is a step in that direction.

The nuclear deal with Iran was a step in that direction. I do not say is was the final step but unconditionally supporting Saudi and their terror leads us nowhere.

USA needs to understand with UK and USA meddling in Iraq and Iran politics and that includes taking down democtratic elected regimes the people in the countries do not have trust for neither UK nor USA. France for example has a better position.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:44 pm

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Reddevil556 wrote:
Withdraw American troops from the region or send all the caskets you have. Iran is a ferocious enemy with a nation of people that will never give up. The gruesome 8 year Iraq-Iran war scarred Iranians with chemical weapons, trench warfare, and human waves that left an entire generation without men in Iran, but they never gave up.


Don’t tempt me with a good time chief. Been to Afghanistan, trained with Armed forces from around the world. Iranian army is trash, no relevant combat experience in the past 30 years, they are good at IEDs and small scale stuff. In open war on a full spectrum battlefield the Iranians would be smashed within 72 hours. Iran’s only hope is China or Russia coming to their help, but that’s debatable. Dirty Mike and the boys are waiting for the invitation. Is there green grass that needs to grow?


Sure you can smash their military, then what ? What will have been accomplished, besides making millions more your enemies for decades to come ?[/quote]

Why was hisbollah close to win over the Israel armed forces?

Why is Talibans winning in Afganistan?

Is USA winning in Iraq?

This is like saying that Red army could never win over the great german army in WW II. They did but with unimaginable losses.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:51 pm

Relax, I was replying to Sonic Cruisers propaganda laced troll post. I am not advocating war against Iran. A leader I once served under once said “we don’t go looking for a fight but if someone wants to fight us we will unleash hell upon them.” It’s not going to escalate to declared war, because Iran’s leadership knows that’s a foolish endeavor. It will be a game of chess with covert and timely moves here and there. That is how Iran likes to play. They have done so in Iraq, Syria, Israel, and Yemen to name a few.
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I am sure the guy who suffers from dementia, can't close a umbrella, can't spell his wife's name or remember the country where his dad is from has a brilliant game plan.
 
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Sat Jan 04, 2020 3:13 pm

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Relax, I was replying to Sonic Cruisers propaganda laced troll post. I am not advocating war against Iran. A leader I once served under once said “we don’t go looking for a fight but if someone wants to fight us we will unleash hell upon them.” It’s not going to escalate to declared war, because Iran’s leadership knows that’s a foolish endeavor. It will be a game of chess with covert and timely moves here and there. That is how Iran likes to play. They have done so in Iraq, Syria, Israel, and Yemen to name a few.


This^^

Trump, if he knows anything, has demonstrated that he knows not to get involved in yet another ME war. But, the US policy needs to have a level of deterrence in it’s quiver. He hasn’t responded over several Iranian attacks, so he had to show there is a price for the riot at US embassy and the rocket attack that killed a US civilian.

I’m not in favor of war against Iran, it’d be military walkover and a political disaster. OTOH, the Germans and Japanese don’t “hate us for decades” following the thrashing they took 75 years ago. Bombing the hell out of Hanoi didn’t create America-hating Vietnamese from what I saw there.
 
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Pence saying Iran is behind 9/11...

Now this : https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status ... 5772066817

All the news coming out in the last two hours confirms Trump was sitting on this idea of killing Soleimani for "months" and chose to pull the trigger 48 hours before the Senate convened to consider the matter of his *impeachment trial*

He's not even trying to hide the grift here.
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sonicruiser wrote:
N583JB wrote:
Iran can try to do whatever it wants. If they decide to go after the POTUS or high-ranking NATO officials, their military will likely be wiped from the face of the earth and their regime will cease to exist very quickly.


Withdraw American troops from the region or send all the caskets you have. Iran is a ferocious enemy with a nation of people that will never give up. The gruesome 8 year Iraq-Iran war scarred Iranians with chemical weapons, trench warfare, and human waves that left an entire generation without men in Iran, but they never gave up.



Don’t tempt me with a good time chief. Been to Afghanistan, trained with Armed forces from around the world. Iranian army is trash, no relevant combat experience in the past 30 years, they are good at IEDs and small scale stuff. In open war on a full spectrum battlefield the Iranians would be smashed within 72 hours. Iran’s only hope is China or Russia coming to their help, but that’s debatable. Dirty Mike and the boys are waiting for the invitation. Is there green grass that needs to grow?


The would be smashed in under 3 days. And then they would grind away US forces at about 100 dead/week until you had enough. You are fighting Iran for the better part of 4 decades and achieved nothing against them, while your own navy found out, applying assumed Iranian tactics, that those techniques can actually lose you a carrier rather quickly. Iran won't give you a re-run with changed rules ....

Someone worh Afghanistan experience should know that you can't win a war against Iran any more than you can win in Afghanistan.... you know, the 19 years war that has the Taliban winning.

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