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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:11 pm

jupiter2 wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
Millions of people came out for the funeral of Lt. General Qassam Soleimani on Monday across Iran and Iraq from Baghdad, Karbala, Najaf, Ahvaz, Mashhad, and finally Tehran where he was given his final Janaza prayers.

https://www.axios.com/qasem-soleimani-i ... 3e8ba.html

https://time.com/5759506/qasem-soleiman ... owds-weep/

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/kham ... neral-iran

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/huge ... s-n1111036

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Yer, the Iranian's are very good at organising crowds, must've taken a lot of busses to get all these enraged people to this procession. Especially considering a week or two ago, they were targeting these same people for having the audacity of protesting against their government. Don't believe that all those people were there by their own free will.

But saying that, Trump can bring people together, just not Americans.



https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-new ... ec1c79a99f

Stampede at Soleimani's funeral: Huge crowds gathered in Kerman, the hometown of Iranian general Qasem Soleimani, ahead of his burial. Dozens of people died in a stampede, state media reported, and his burial has been delayed.

And it looks like there’s 40 less mourners now, maybe more
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:28 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
Taxpayers cannot opt out, and do not choose the destination of such funds except in local matters. Foreign policy is by far the most undemocratic arena of US policymaking - taxpayers have no ability to penalize officials for foreign policy mistakes until after they are made. The most recourse any citizen has is writing an angry letter to their nearest representative on the Armed Services Committee.


BS. You get to vote every 2 years. US voters received ample warning about following the demagogues at Fox News and similar for several decades now. The entire world practically screamed the dangers of voting Trump into power at you. US voters don't get to claim ignorance any more.


Exactly! I’m sickened by all the Breitbarters that have convenient and collective amnesia that they were the biggest Iraq war enthusiasts there was. They now all act as if they never voted before 2008. A big part of today’s problem is we’ve never held Republicans accountable. From Nixon, to Reagan and Iran Contra, to GW Bush’s lie, to the bankers from the 2007/8 financial collapse. These leaders need to be humiliated, and incarcerated with their supporters being made into social pariahs and persona non grata amongst society at large.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:28 pm

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Other countries, including allies with troops based in Iraq were consulted..


they where not.

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:32 pm

Right now, I don't see this strike as having altered the established path of disengaging from diplomatic solutions to engage in antagonistic physical attacks that could lead to full war.

The US declared the Iranian forces as terrorists and we took out a General that had broad political support from the top of Iran.
Iran has now declared US forces as terrorists, which seems to say that they are going to take the same line.

What happens from here , no one knows, but if the past year is any indication, we are on a march to a deeply troubling situation in the middle east.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/politics ... index.html

The Soleimani killing offers plenty of evidence for both sides. Both the George W. Bush and Obama administrations considered but chose not to strike at the Iranian leader. In making the opposite choice, Trump has again solidified his image as a leader who does not accept the boundaries that constrained other presidents. Now he must hope that whatever happens next across the Mideast persuades most Americans that the times demand a president willing to take such risks, not only for himself, but also for the country.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:43 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
extender wrote:
Other countries, including allies with troops based in Iraq were consulted..


they where not.


Reach out to Daniel Lippman, Wesley Morgan, Meridith McGraw and Nahal Toosi, apparently they are more informed than you are.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:52 pm

extender wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
extender wrote:
Other countries, including allies with troops based in Iraq were consulted..


they where not.


Reach out to Daniel Lippman, Wesley Morgan, Meridith McGraw and Nahal Toosi, apparently they are more informed than you are.


I stick with the primary sources, and the military that let US troops fleeing Iraq hitch a ride out of the country, weird how that happens in a well prepared strike, didn´t know anything.

The reactions also make very clear that no one was informed before hand, not even the UK, supposedly your special relationship partner.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/uk ... ni-killing

Those four obviously have been misinformed, our you misrepresent their reporting since you conveniently left out links to your sources.

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:30 pm

Pompeo lying again in his presser - “we believe the previous agreement put Iran on a course to developing nuclear weapons, and will not allow that to happen”. And he’s totally shifting the conversation away from the Soleimani strike. It’s almost like he doesn’t even know 45 ran on an anti-neocon platform :crazy:

BS alert: *fifteen* IAEA inspection reports until July 2019 indicated Iran was adhering to JPCOA provisions and terms.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04 ... clear-deal

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/gettin ... 1577984670

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran ... SKCN1RG2B9
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:36 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Pompeo lying again in his presser - “we believe the previous agreement put Iran on a course to developing nuclear weapons, and will not allow that to happen”. And he’s totally shifting the conversation away from the Soleimani strike. It’s almost like he doesn’t even know 45 ran on an anti-neocon platform :crazy:

BS alert: *fifteen* IAEA inspection reports until July 2019 indicated Iran was adhering to JPCOA provisions and terms.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04 ... clear-deal

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/gettin ... 1577984670

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran ... SKCN1RG2B9


Well colour me surprised...
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:41 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Pompeo lying again in his presser - “we believe the previous agreement put Iran on a course to developing nuclear weapons, and will not allow that to happen”. And he’s totally shifting the conversation away from the Soleimani strike. It’s almost like he doesn’t even know 45 ran on an anti-neocon platform :crazy:

BS alert: *fifteen* IAEA inspection reports until July 2019 indicated Iran was adhering to JPCOA provisions and terms.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04 ... clear-deal

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/gettin ... 1577984670

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran ... SKCN1RG2B9


Keep in mind, this lardass thinks he's supporting God's work:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... y-war.html

I have no idea why anyone (except Fox and World Net Daily) even bother interviewing this bloated, out-of-control kook bureaucrat.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 3:52 pm

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His crystal ball must have been on the fritz: " The Americans can find me any time, they just don’t dare hit me.”

His bluff was called. Amid his increasing direction of rocket attacks against US bases, his account came due.

Other countries, including allies with troops based in Iraq were consulted. It doesn't appear to be a half-cocked attempt, but a well planned mission. And successful.


In what universe were they consulted? Not this one, maybe in the MAGA-Moron one.
Which considering that some have forces in the region is I suppose not untypical for the contempt this President shows for them, as opposed to his dictator buddies.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:12 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Pompeo lying again in his presser - “we believe the previous agreement put Iran on a course to developing nuclear weapons, and will not allow that to happen”. And he’s totally shifting the conversation away from the Soleimani strike. It’s almost like he doesn’t even know 45 ran on an anti-neocon platform :crazy:

BS alert: *fifteen* IAEA inspection reports until July 2019 indicated Iran was adhering to JPCOA provisions and terms.

It‘s unbelievable. They are doing it again. Simply lying. This is WMD 2.0. Colin Powell at least came up with a nice graphic: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi ... to-license

Pompeo doesn’t even care, he is simply lying. Very disturbing.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:58 pm

Dutchy wrote:
And the next juvenile thing coming out of the White House: Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iranian foreign minister, was denied a visa for attending a UN meeting.

The UN as specifically created to act as a forum to discuss disputes between adversaries. Denying visa is not the way to go and another step for the US down from the world stage. Perhaps the UN should move out of the US to a country that actually underpins its importance.


That happened because we are seeing first hand, LIVE...as we all have wondered 'what would a really stupid government look like'. Team trump is performing daily before our very eyes.


..now the poor and developing nations have handicaps for various reasons, they are like the 1-6 graders and the middle school groups...we in the west are the seniors, the ones who are suppose to be more educated, understanding complex government, etc.

But we are, the most powerful country on Earth operated by the least qualified cadre of characters ever assembled.

History is being made and recorded and rightfully so ..because no one 10 years from now will be this truly happened when societies trek has powering toward enlightenment since the early 20th century, 1990s. But this in 2020? It simply can't be true, but we were here.


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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:09 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
Saw that earlier, it is interesting - but your asterisked comment is serious contextual overreach. Taxpayers cannot opt out, and do not choose the destination of such funds except in local matters. Foreign policy is by far the most undemocratic arena of US policymaking - taxpayers have no ability to penalize officials for foreign policy mistakes until after they are made. The most recourse any citizen has is writing an angry letter to their nearest representative on the Armed Services Committee.


Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.


Have you read the 2nd Amendment?
It was written for a reason.


Two reasons:

1. The young Republic did not have a standing army
2. Slave patrols

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-slave ... -amendment

What does any of that have to do with attacking two countries that never attacked us?
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:16 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
extender wrote:
Other countries, including allies with troops based in Iraq were consulted..


they where not.

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Extender, please provide proof. I did a search and found nothing. Perhaps you have other sources besides the 30 or so I browsed through that say otherwise?

I can tell you that Democrats were not informed at all. Like the third in line for the White House.

All of this was done from a golf resort. Again. He is golfing. Making these short sighted decisions from his golf resort. After he said he would be too busy to golf.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:44 pm

BN747 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
And the next juvenile thing coming out of the White House: Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iranian foreign minister, was denied a visa for attending a UN meeting.

The UN as specifically created to act as a forum to discuss disputes between adversaries. Denying visa is not the way to go and another step for the US down from the world stage. Perhaps the UN should move out of the US to a country that actually underpins its importance.


That happened because we are seeing first hand, LIVE...as we all have wondered 'what would a really stupid government look like'. Team trump is performing daily before our very eyes.


..now the poor and developing nations have handicaps for various reasons, they are like the 1-6 graders and the middle school groups...we in the west are the seniors, the ones who are suppose to be more educated, understanding complex government, etc.

But we are, the most powerful country on Earth operated by the least qualified cadre of characters ever assembled.

History is being made and recorded and rightfully so ..because no one 10 years from now will be this truly happened when societies trek has powering toward enlightenment since the early 20th century, 1990s. But this in 2020? It simply can't be true, but we were here.


BN747


2 things:

First: Iranians will certainly not view the west and especially America as the seniors, the most ancient societies were located in the Middle East. At least 8.500 years of history of complex social living structures. So America is very junior in that respect, so is western Europe.

Second: we are witnessing the downfall of an empire, nothing less, history in the making. Not unlike Great Britain in the beginning of the 20th century or the Roman empire. Sure, you have an infant at the whelm, but that is not a coincidence that a person like him was chosen by the citizens to "lead" them.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:57 pm

Dutchy wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
And the next juvenile thing coming out of the White House: Mohammad Javad Zarif, Iranian foreign minister, was denied a visa for attending a UN meeting.

The UN as specifically created to act as a forum to discuss disputes between adversaries. Denying visa is not the way to go and another step for the US down from the world stage. Perhaps the UN should move out of the US to a country that actually underpins its importance.


That happened because we are seeing first hand, LIVE...as we all have wondered 'what would a really stupid government look like'. Team trump is performing daily before our very eyes.


..now the poor and developing nations have handicaps for various reasons, they are like the 1-6 graders and the middle school groups...we in the west are the seniors, the ones who are suppose to be more educated, understanding complex government, etc.

But we are, the most powerful country on Earth operated by the least qualified cadre of characters ever assembled.

History is being made and recorded and rightfully so ..because no one 10 years from now will be this truly happened when societies trek has powering toward enlightenment since the early 20th century, 1990s. But this in 2020? It simply can't be true, but we were here.


BN747


2 things:

First: Iranians will certainly not view the west and especially America as the seniors, the most ancient societies were located in the Middle East. At least 8.500 years of history of complex social living structures. So America is very junior in that respect, so is western Europe.


Even Core believes of western religions are Persian in origin: Zoroastrianism

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 7:24 pm

N14AZ wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Pompeo lying again in his presser - “we believe the previous agreement put Iran on a course to developing nuclear weapons, and will not allow that to happen”. And he’s totally shifting the conversation away from the Soleimani strike. It’s almost like he doesn’t even know 45 ran on an anti-neocon platform :crazy:

BS alert: *fifteen* IAEA inspection reports until July 2019 indicated Iran was adhering to JPCOA provisions and terms.

It‘s unbelievable. They are doing it again. Simply lying. This is WMD 2.0. Colin Powell at least came up with a nice graphic: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi ... to-license

Pompeo doesn’t even care, he is simply lying. Very disturbing.

It's remarkable to see the same people, make the same arguments, to get into the same wars they got us into nearly 20 years ago. At least the GOP in the early 2000s tried to create a soupcon of credibility. Now...is Alabama still under imminent threat from that hurricane? Just checking for a friend :rotfl:
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:53 pm

MaverickM11 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Pompeo lying again in his presser - “we believe the previous agreement put Iran on a course to developing nuclear weapons, and will not allow that to happen”. And he’s totally shifting the conversation away from the Soleimani strike. It’s almost like he doesn’t even know 45 ran on an anti-neocon platform :crazy:

BS alert: *fifteen* IAEA inspection reports until July 2019 indicated Iran was adhering to JPCOA provisions and terms.

It‘s unbelievable. They are doing it again. Simply lying. This is WMD 2.0. Colin Powell at least came up with a nice graphic: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi ... to-license

Pompeo doesn’t even care, he is simply lying. Very disturbing.

It's remarkable to see the same people, make the same arguments, to get into the same wars they got us into nearly 20 years ago. At least the GOP in the early 2000s tried to create a soupcon of credibility. Now...is Alabama still under imminent threat from that hurricane? Just checking for a friend :rotfl:


That is commonly known as history repeating itself.

If you go look at Iraq war buildup threads from 20 years ago, you'll see the same cast here today making the very same arguments that they or clones such as Dreadnoght, UH60FtRucker, L188 and all these disappeared A.netters trying their very best to get people to sign on to a stupid war that's purely powered by 'by the seat of ones pants' mentality as a strategy.


There is no plan here, shit is just being tossed at wall in hopes of something sticks. That's it.

Hey! What happened to Mike Drop? He was born for this stuff....

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:36 pm

Kuwait, Qatar, and Afghanistan look like the most likely sites for retaliation. Kuwait's air base is very vulnerable, it would only take Iranian missiles about 10min to hit the Kuwaiti airbase from Ahvaz so it would be very vulnerable. Al-Udeid is also at big risk since the drone that killed Soleimani came from Qatar so it could be a primary target. Bagram is a bit farther and too close to Pakistan. If they retaliate, I'd guess it would be against US bases in Kuwait and Qatar.

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:36 pm

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Appeasement doesn't work.


What "appeasement" are you referring to? Is it the nuclear accord you're talking about? Seem to be working just fine.

I've heard this appeasement doesn't work argument before. The argument that usually follows is that if only we hadn't tried to appease Hitler. Of course the problem with that is the leaders of Iran while not going to win any humanitarian awards are not Hitler.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:49 pm

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Lastly, if the US does carry strikes on cultural sites anywhere, I put myself on the record predicting it WILL mark the official and immediate end to American leadership, already on the ropes everywhere from South Korea to Europe, middle East to China, South America to Eastern Europe and Russia. All through history few things are remembered more sinisterly than those who destroy cultural places and relicts. It made the once unknown Taliban internationally abhored (Buddha statues), it led to Mao's dowfall in China (Cultural Revolution), it cemented the conquistador as a ruthless Philistine character (the indiscriminate burning of Meso American texts), it help shaped the ill repute of the Spartans (destruction of other city states treasures), it even lead indirectly to the word "Philistine" itself.

Destroying any site of human culture leads to the almost eternal rejection and shame in the human conscience of those who do it.


There are two possibilities here. He has ordered the DoD to draw up a list of non-military/cultural targets in which to hit. Or once again he's lying.

Any order to destroy cultural sites would be ab illegal order. If Trump were to make that order any officer with half a brain would be obligated to refuse said order. Can you imagine the mess that would ensue if that were to happen?
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:00 pm

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Some people need killing because they are evil. Saddam, bin Laden, and yes Soleimani.

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Over four thousands Americans died all because as you say, he needed killing. I'm sure you got to enjoy all that killing from the comfort of your living room.
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:01 pm

LMP737 wrote:
Derico wrote:

Lastly, if the US does carry strikes on cultural sites anywhere, I put myself on the record predicting it WILL mark the official and immediate end to American leadership, already on the ropes everywhere from South Korea to Europe, middle East to China, South America to Eastern Europe and Russia. All through history few things are remembered more sinisterly than those who destroy cultural places and relicts. It made the once unknown Taliban internationally abhored (Buddha statues), it led to Mao's dowfall in China (Cultural Revolution), it cemented the conquistador as a ruthless Philistine character (the indiscriminate burning of Meso American texts), it help shaped the ill repute of the Spartans (destruction of other city states treasures), it even lead indirectly to the word "Philistine" itself.

Destroying any site of human culture leads to the almost eternal rejection and shame in the human conscience of those who do it.


There are two possibilities here. He has ordered the DoD to draw up a list of non-military/cultural targets in which to hit. Or once again he's lying.


I'd say go with that latter..

And that was a case of the last thing the Orange Chunk heard 'that sounded smart'.

No one on Earth believes trump has clue on cultural artifacts - ANYWHERE! Let alone in Iran!
He can't even name the number#1 symbolic artifact at Independence Hall in Philadelphia...!Even if you gave him another 72 years to sort it out.

That's giving an empty brain a lot of credit!

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:04 pm

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Kuwait, Qatar, and Afghanistan look like the most likely sites for retaliation. Kuwait's air base is very vulnerable, it would only take Iranian missiles about 10min to hit the Kuwaiti airbase from Ahvaz so it would be very vulnerable. Al-Udeid is also at big risk since the drone that killed Soleimani came from Qatar so it could be a primary target. Bagram is a bit farther and too close to Pakistan. If they retaliate, I'd guess it would be against US bases in Kuwait and Qatar.

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That's great ...now let's see the map of Trump properties that Iran's govt says they have in mind....

..let future reservations at anything named 'trump' on it..pay the price, by avoiding it at all cost. You be providing a very important PSA.

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:13 pm

Patriot Installations in Khaleej. A barrage of 200 missiles within 1 hour time frame from Bandar Abbas and Ahvaz will overwhelm the Patriot batteries before they can reload. Saudi Arabia has 800 Patriot missiles---with two missiles per target---it can theoretically intercept 400 targets---but with 50% success rate---it will actually intercept 200 targets---So Iran could launch 200-400 missiles per hour.

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:33 pm

There is no reason to invade Iran at all. But, if designated terrorists (surely we agree that certain men are terrorists -- or do we deny the existence of bad men) feel frisky enough to walk around in public, now they know that the designation is quite meaningful. It can really put a spring in your step.

To be so invested in politics that you defend a guy who is a wanted killer like this is shameful and deeply degrading. I feel terrible for the people defending him.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:37 pm

sonicruiser wrote:
Kuwait, Qatar, and Afghanistan look like the most likely sites for retaliation. Kuwait's air base is very vulnerable, it would only take Iranian missiles about 10min to hit the Kuwaiti airbase from Ahvaz so it would be very vulnerable. Al-Udeid is also at big risk since the drone that killed Soleimani came from Qatar so it could be a primary target. Bagram is a bit farther and too close to Pakistan. If they retaliate, I'd guess it would be against US bases in Kuwait and Qatar.



The Iranians already said they will retaliate against the Trump hotels around the globe. Which in itself is brilliant. It sends the message to the US citizens and even the military, you are not the ones we have a quarrel with, it is the US leadership. The Iranian leader said the same, it is not the US citizens or even the Israeli themselves, it is their government.

And at the same time, it hurts the Trumps personally, I mean who wants to sleep at Trump's resorts even if the chances of an actually attack is remote, who wants to take this risks?
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:42 pm

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There is no reason to invade Iran at all. But, if designated terrorists (surely we agree that certain men are terrorists -- or do we deny the existence of bad men) feel frisky enough to walk around in public, now they know that the designation is quite meaningful. It can really put a spring in your step.

To be so invested in politics that you defend a guy who is a wanted killer like this is shameful and deeply degrading. I feel terrible for the people defending him.


Even with the term "terrorist" you have to be very careful. Someo's terrorist is someone other's freedom fighter. So the issue is very nuanced and very blured. Should we regards Trump a terrorist now? It was his order that this general got murdered.

In the core I believe that only in the extreme cases should we resort to violance, because in most cases it will solve nothing
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:44 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Pompeo lying again in his presser - “we believe the previous agreement put Iran on a course to developing nuclear weapons, and will not allow that to happen”. And he’s totally shifting the conversation away from the Soleimani strike. It’s almost like he doesn’t even know 45 ran on an anti-neocon platform :crazy:

BS alert: *fifteen* IAEA inspection reports until July 2019 indicated Iran was adhering to JPCOA provisions and terms.

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2019-04 ... clear-deal

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/gettin ... 1577984670

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran ... SKCN1RG2B9


Agreed this seems like WMD 2.0. Just because I support nicking a bad guy outside his country does not mean I support some crazy war. Let's stay away and keep to basics. If Iran chooses to nuke someone, that is when we nuke back.
 
sonicruiser
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:59 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
Agreed this seems like WMD 2.0. Just because I support nicking a bad guy outside his country does not mean I support some crazy war. Let's stay away and keep to basics. If Iran chooses to nuke someone, that is when we nuke back.


It's a bit more nuanced that that. Up until 2 days ago, Iran probably had no plans to develop a nuclear weapon. However, now they definitely do, and rightfully so.

The equivalent right now of WMD in Iraq from the Bush admin. is when the Trump said Iran killed an American contractor and had imminent plans to kill Americans. This falls somewhere on the spectrum between "not true" and "made up." The Iraqi PM publicly said that Solemani flew into Baghdad to meet with him and deliver Iran's response to a proposal for deescalation from the Saudis when he was killed. And as of 5:54PM on Jan 7, 2020, Trump has not given information about who this contractor was, who he was working for, where he was killed, who he was killed by, or any kind of relevant information in general that would confirm that the whole thing is not made up entirely and used as a fake cover story for the strike that killed 25 Iraqis and in return resulted in the embassy being ransacked.
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شما می توانید مردم را تحریم کنید ، اما نمی توانید سبک تحریم را اعمال کنید

You can sanction people, but you can't sanction style
 
AeroVega
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:00 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
To be so invested in politics that you defend a guy who is a wanted killer like this is shameful and deeply degrading. I feel terrible for the people defending him.


You know that he and the militias he directed were instrumental in defeating ISIS, right? That may not be a big deal for America, but for Europe, where many of the ISIS terrorists came from, that counts heavily in his favour.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:38 pm

#BREAKING: Senior US military source in Iraq to Fox News @JenGriffinFNC: “Under missile attack from Iran. These are either cruise missiles or short range ballistic missiles. All over the country.

https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/12 ... 54592?s=20

#BREAKING: #Iran IRGC statement:
"We warn all allied countries of the US that if attacks are launched from bases in their countries on Iran, they will be a target of military retaliation."
#AlAssadBase #Iraq

https://twitter.com/farnazfassihi/statu ... 81728?s=20

If reports are correct, required range and flight profile in videos would indicate use of precision-guided solid-propellant Fateh class missiles (Fateh 110, Fateh 313, Zolfaghar) with a warhead of about 500kg

https://twitter.com/fab_hinz/status/121 ... 49440?s=20

Soleimani's revenge has begin.
شما می توانید مردم را تحریم کنید ، اما نمی توانید سبک تحریم را اعمال کنید

You can sanction people, but you can't sanction style
 
petertenthije
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:47 pm

According to Dutch media quoting Lebanese TV station al-Mayadeen there were six missiles fired at Ain al-Asad airbase (Iraq).
No word yet on damage, injuries or casualties.
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mdsh00
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:53 pm

Didn't Trump campaign on getting the US out of the Middle East and to not get involved with wars there?

Now he's trying to start a war with Iran which was ultimately his own doing after ripping up the Iran Nuclear Deal, just because it was done by Obama.

And now all the Trump sycophants on this board are tripping over themselves defending this guy.

If this turns into a full war, it will make Iraq look like the Kosovo War.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:04 am

Looks like it’s on......
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sonicruiser
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:05 am

IRGC statement says Ain Al Assad airbase is leveled.
شما می توانید مردم را تحریم کنید ، اما نمی توانید سبک تحریم را اعمال کنید

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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:33 am

Dutchy wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
Kuwait, Qatar, and Afghanistan look like the most likely sites for retaliation. Kuwait's air base is very vulnerable, it would only take Iranian missiles about 10min to hit the Kuwaiti airbase from Ahvaz so it would be very vulnerable. Al-Udeid is also at big risk since the drone that killed Soleimani came from Qatar so it could be a primary target. Bagram is a bit farther and too close to Pakistan. If they retaliate, I'd guess it would be against US bases in Kuwait and Qatar.



The Iranians already said they will retaliate against the Trump hotels around the globe. Which in itself is brilliant. It sends the message to the US citizens and even the military, you are not the ones we have a quarrel with, it is the US leadership. The Iranian leader said the same, it is not the US citizens or even the Israeli themselves, it is their government.

And at the same time, it hurts the Trumps personally, I mean who wants to sleep at Trump's resorts even if the chances of an actually attack is remote, who wants to take this risks?


How is that anything but brilliant?
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:47 am

It seems to be a quit limited reaction from Iran. They need to say and do something but not too much. With both lunietics in Iran regime and USA regime this look prety controlled to me.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:51 am

olle wrote:
It seems to be a quit limited reaction from Iran. They need to say and do something but not too much. With both lunietics in Iran regime and USA regime this look prety controlled to me.


They’ve opened pandoras box now - there are other nationalities at al asad as well as Americans.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:52 am

Was the base evacuated ? There seems to be no injuries. I guess Trump could let this slide.
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sonicruiser
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:55 am

Arion640 wrote:
They’ve opened pandoras box now - there are other nationalities at al asad as well as Americans.


Iran warned Iraqi troops to stay at least 1km away from US bases.
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شما می توانید مردم را تحریم کنید ، اما نمی توانید سبک تحریم را اعمال کنید

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mdsh00
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 12:56 am

It seems that there are casualties and they may be mostly Iraqis.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:03 am

alberchico wrote:
Was the base evacuated ? There seems to be no injuries. I guess Trump could let this slide.


The base wasn't empty. Currently watching footage on tv of missiles raining down on the base.. hope it won't get worse then this
 
N757ST
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:10 am

Dutchy wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
Kuwait, Qatar, and Afghanistan look like the most likely sites for retaliation. Kuwait's air base is very vulnerable, it would only take Iranian missiles about 10min to hit the Kuwaiti airbase from Ahvaz so it would be very vulnerable. Al-Udeid is also at big risk since the drone that killed Soleimani came from Qatar so it could be a primary target. Bagram is a bit farther and too close to Pakistan. If they retaliate, I'd guess it would be against US bases in Kuwait and Qatar.



The Iranians already said they will retaliate against the Trump hotels around the globe. Which in itself is brilliant. It sends the message to the US citizens and even the military, you are not the ones we have a quarrel with, it is the US leadership. The Iranian leader said the same, it is not the US citizens or even the Israeli themselves, it is their government.

And at the same time, it hurts the Trumps personally, I mean who wants to sleep at Trump's resorts even if the chances of an actually attack is remote, who wants to take this risks?


Ahh yes attacking civilian hotels with civilians in it. Brilliant, terrorism is cool as long as you stick it to trump just a little bit, right?
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:17 am

sonicruiser wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
They’ve opened pandoras box now - there are other nationalities at al asad as well as Americans.


Iran warned Iraqi troops to stay at least 1km away from US bases.


The bases are not US bases.

Surprised Iran could be this stupid. Oh well they wanted this and they are going to get it.
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N757ST
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:18 am

sonicruiser wrote:
IRGC statement says Ain Al Assad airbase is leveled.


Oh I think I caught you blushing a little bit. Hopefully they leveled that airbase and it’ll make you feel so warm inside. Torpedo our allies ships, use your proxies to attack our embassy, and yes we killed the guy responsible. I honestly didn’t really agree with killing him, but at least you got your revenge. Captain Ahab is getting his white whale. If you did legit damage, like real damage, it won’t be good for Iran and I think even you see that.

FYI, I’m not a trumpet, but trump threatened cultural sites etc AFTER Iran released that it had an American hit list. Both countries are to blame on this whole mess, and neither is without blood on its hands.
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:41 am

ParkFSI wrote:
Looks like it’s on......


(Heath Ledger's Joker voice. . . . )

And here . . . . . . we . . . . . . . go
Just when I think you've said the stupidest thing ever, you keep talkin'!
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:48 am

olle wrote:
It seems to be a quit limited reaction from Iran. They need to say and do something but not too much. With both lunietics in Iran regime and USA regime this look prety controlled to me.


It does seem limited, I think they know that if they push the USA too far, there is the chance that the Iran can very well be completely wiped off the map and the country left uninhabitable for years to come.

I hope sensible minds prevail.
 
olle
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:00 am

It seems like the USA influence in the region is on the way down as well. They have taken side in the Shia and Sunni conflict and they will have influence with the Saudi side but the otherbside of the Muslim world is probably lost.

Can USA stay in Syria, Iraq with the local population considering them as terrorists?
 
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Re: Head Iran Gen Killed In Air Strike

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:13 am

While everyone concentrates on the moment-to-moment events, an experienced reporter has taken the time to point out the discrepancies (that would be the polite term for lies, wouldn't it?) Pompeo has been peddling to justify assassination:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... a=taps_top
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