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Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 10:24 pm
by 1337Delta764
I just returned from my trip from Puerto Rico and I saw how worn out my grandfather's showerheads were. I would like to buy him some nice new showerheads. For his pink main master bathroom, I would like to get him the same Moen 6-Function Magnetix Engage showerhead that I have. I think both him and my grandmother would really appreciate the handheld convenience and magnetic holder considering that they are elderly, and they could also use it to clean the bathtub (my mom does that with mine in my bathroom). For the black second bathroom, I will probably buy a basic Moen EcoPerformance showerhead. I think Moen is a brand that they can trust. I will just let them know to clean them with vinegar from time to time to keep them looking good. The existing shower arm, spout, and valve/valve trim are Delta, while the bathtubs are American Standard (which seems to be a very popular brand in Puerto Rico for plumbing fixtures).

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:06 pm
by Jouhou
Only if you install them for them. When you say "grandparents" I'm picturing elderly people performing overhead work while standing on a slippery surface. It's a PITA for many, but elderly people don't recover well from slips and falls and aren't generally flexible enough for awkward positions while performing work.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:16 pm
by TSS
Jouhou wrote:
Only if you install them for them. When you say "grandparents" I'm picturing elderly people performing overhead work while standing on a slippery surface. It's a PITA for many, but elderly people don't recover well from slips and falls and aren't generally flexible enough for awkward positions while performing work.


^ This. If you just give them the shower heads without installing them, a year from now they'll still be in the box on a shelf in the closet gathering dust. If you ask them then why they didn't install them, you'll get an answer along the lines of "Oh, those are very nice but they're too fancy for us. Our old shower heads work just fine". Trust me on this one, I've played this game more than once before.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sat Jan 04, 2020 11:20 pm
by 1337Delta764
Jouhou wrote:
Only if you install them for them. When you say "grandparents" I'm picturing elderly people performing overhead work while standing on a slippery surface. It's a PITA for many, but elderly people don't recover well from slips and falls and aren't generally flexible enough for awkward positions while performing work.


My grandfather probably knows several people there who can install them. One person that I have in mind is my godfather. He knows how to help him with technology, and I think he can install a showerhead as well.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 2:52 am
by fr8mech
Yes, on the shower heads. It’s a nice gift, and it shows you care about them. But, install them, or have them installed.

Now, why in the hell does your mother still clean the tub, or anything else in the bathroom of a grown man?

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:11 am
by seb146
The brosband and I are always doing things for our moms. If we do not change air filters or water filters or move TVs, it will not get gone.

A new shower head is a great idea if the old one is running poorly or if the new one is adjustable and has different flow settings. But, yes, install it yourself. Do not expect them to "call someone" to get it done. That way, you know it is done and they do not have to spend any extra.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 3:31 am
by 1337Delta764
seb146 wrote:
The brosband and I are always doing things for our moms. If we do not change air filters or water filters or move TVs, it will not get gone.

A new shower head is a great idea if the old one is running poorly or if the new one is adjustable and has different flow settings. But, yes, install it yourself. Do not expect them to "call someone" to get it done. That way, you know it is done and they do not have to spend any extra.


Well, I built his desktop computer. On my past vacation I installed a new power supply. I told him not to throw it away if anything happens, since I will handle the warranty request.

Also, for the second bathroom, I am actually now leaning towards the Moen Adler five-function showerhead. I am debating though if I should get the standard 2.5 GPM version or the low-flow 1.75 GPM version. My concern is that the water pressure might be too weak on the low-flow version, since I think their inlet pressure isn't very strong. Also, some don't recommend using low-flow showerheads with older valves due to scald hazard.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:10 am
by Airstud
1337Delta764 wrote:
his pink main master bathroom


The light is shed.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:23 am
by Tugger
1337Delta764 wrote:
Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Probably not, new shower heads often have flow restrictors that suck all the joy out of showering. The old ones probably dumps gobs of water at a good force unlike the often weak pressure restricted new ones.

And if you get them new ones anyway, then yes you have to have them installed for them. It is the polite and proper thing to do.

Tugg

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 10:24 am
by Kiwirob
1337Delta764 wrote:
and they could also use it to clean the bathtub (my mom does that with mine in my bathroom).


my take on this is how come you don’t clean your own bathroom, your poor mum!!

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:04 am
by KFTG
What did I just read?

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:56 pm
by johns624
Kiwirob wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:
and they could also use it to clean the bathtub (my mom does that with mine in my bathroom).


my take on this is how come you don’t clean your own bathroom, your poor mum!!
That's because it's in her basement...

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 4:06 pm
by frmrCapCadet
I bought a 4 or 5 star inexpensive shower head last fall, two settings - we use the one like 'rain shower'. Wife really likes it. The flow restrictor is only a little noisy. I do second arrangements for installation and maintenance. One with a hand held option one is a good for the older elderly.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 9:58 pm
by 1337Delta764
johns624 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:
and they could also use it to clean the bathtub (my mom does that with mine in my bathroom).


my take on this is how come you don’t clean your own bathroom, your poor mum!!
That's because it's in her basement...


I do other things like my own laundry and vacuuming. I also help her with technology.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:19 pm
by johns624
1337Delta764 wrote:

I do other things like my own laundry and vacuuming. I also help her with technology.
Ever thought of moving out? After all, if you can afford new clothes every season, you should be able to afford to live on your own. You are an adult...

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:52 am
by ER757
Tugger wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:
Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Probably not, new shower heads often have flow restrictors that suck all the joy out of showering. The old ones probably dumps gobs of water at a good force unlike the often weak pressure restricted new ones.

And if you get them new ones anyway, then yes you have to have them installed for them. It is the polite and proper thing to do.

Tugg

Your post makes me think of that Seinfeld episode where new shower heads got installed in Jerry's building - the recurring punchline was "low flow? I don't like the sound of that" and everybody had matted down hair after their shower

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:05 am
by 1337Delta764
ER757 wrote:
Tugger wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:
Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Probably not, new shower heads often have flow restrictors that suck all the joy out of showering. The old ones probably dumps gobs of water at a good force unlike the often weak pressure restricted new ones.

And if you get them new ones anyway, then yes you have to have them installed for them. It is the polite and proper thing to do.

Tugg

Your post makes me think of that Seinfeld episode where new shower heads got installed in Jerry's building - the recurring punchline was "low flow? I don't like the sound of that" and everybody had matted down hair after their shower


Their master bathroom is on their second (or third) showerhead, so flow shouldn't be an issue. The Moen Magnetix Engage I am getting him is 2.5 GPM, so it should have the same flow as existing showerhead. I will just let them know to clean them with vinegar to keep them looking good.

However, for the second bathroom, I am now leaning towards the Moen Adler (a non-handheld multifunction showerhead). It comes in both a 2.5 GPM and a 1.75 GPM version. I read that using showerheads below 2.5 GPM on older valves can create a scald hazard, so I might go with the 2.5 GPM version. Plus, considering the age of the valves, pressure might be too low by using a 1.75 GPM showerhead. The valves are Delta ball-type valves (non-pressure compensating).

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 3:51 am
by stl07
johns624 wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:

I do other things like my own laundry and vacuuming. I also help her with technology.
Ever thought of moving out? After all, if you can afford new clothes every season, you should be able to afford to live on your own. You are an adult...

I know quite a few people who have moved in with their parents again as they are getting older and need company. Nothing wrong with it

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:54 am
by Kiwirob
stl07 wrote:
johns624 wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:

I do other things like my own laundry and vacuuming. I also help her with technology.
Ever thought of moving out? After all, if you can afford new clothes every season, you should be able to afford to live on your own. You are an adult...

I know quite a few people who have moved in with their parents again as they are getting older and need company. Nothing wrong with it


I think our OP has never moved out.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:07 am
by DIRECTFLT
Tugger wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:
Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Probably not, new shower heads often have flow restrictors that suck all the joy out of showering. The old ones probably dumps gobs of water at a good force unlike the often weak pressure restricted new ones.

And if you get them new ones anyway, then yes you have to have them installed for them. It is the polite and proper thing to do.

Tugg


With a little effort, I think you can modify the shower heads to make them "regular flow." If this this is illegal in your locale, please disregard this information. (Greta, if you're listening, please don't hurt me).

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:54 pm
by Jouhou
johns624 wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:

I do other things like my own laundry and vacuuming. I also help her with technology.
Ever thought of moving out? After all, if you can afford new clothes every season, you should be able to afford to live on your own. You are an adult...


If he lives in the Boston to Washington corridor you can't move out on your own with anything short of making median income plus. Low wage workers live in cramped conditions with many room mates. Family is more reliable than roomies. I make good money and I still pay half of my paycheck on rent.

Tugger wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:
Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Probably not, new shower heads often have flow restrictors that suck all the joy out of showering. The old ones probably dumps gobs of water at a good force unlike the often weak pressure restricted new ones.

And if you get them new ones anyway, then yes you have to have them installed for them. It is the polite and proper thing to do.

Tugg


Puerto Rico is an island. There isn't a ton of fresh water to tap into and I can imagine limiting wasted water is important there.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:38 pm
by fr8mech
You know, maybe you should ask them if they would like an “upgrade”. If so, maybe lay out a couple of options for them, sans prices. No reason not to ask them.

johns624 wrote:
Ever thought of moving out? After all, if you can afford new clothes every season, you should be able to afford to live on your own. You are an adult...


I don’t have an issue with him living with his mom, in fact, my mother-in-law will be moving in with us this summer. But I’ll be damned if she is asked to clean anyone’s bathroom. In fact, about the only thing she’ll be asked to do is keep her room clean.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:16 am
by johns624
Jouhou wrote:
If he lives in the Boston to Washington corridor you can't move out on your own with anything short of making median income plus.
He lives in the Phoenix area. Haven't you ever read his threads comparing the different malls there and what "color" he thinks each transit line should be?

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:18 am
by 1337Delta764
Jouhou wrote:
johns624 wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:

Puerto Rico is an island. There isn't a ton of fresh water to tap into and I can imagine limiting wasted water is important there.


Note that there are some issues with installing showerheads with less than 2.5 GPM on older non-pressure compensating valves. One of the main issues is a scald hazard due to the fluctuations in temperature, causing "shower shock". Also, the valves lose pressure with age, and using a 1.75 GPM showerhead might result in weak water pressure. That is why I will probably go with the 2.5 GPM version of the Moen Adler for the secondary bathroom. The existing valves at my grandparents' house are not pressure compensating, and considering that my grandparents are elderly, might as well play it safe.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:54 am
by 1337Delta764
Note that I ordered the Moen Adler from Lowe's since it is a Lowe's exclusive item, and unfortunately they shipped it FedEx SmartPost. Estimated delivery on January 29! Unbelievable. No wonder why their shipping to Puerto Rico was so cheap.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:11 am
by Ken777
Not all grandparents are incapable of replacing a shower head - I've changed one out at 75. Just be sure they have an adjustable wrench that will work and get some plumber's tape to seal the connection.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:33 am
by 1337Delta764
Ken777 wrote:
Not all grandparents are incapable of replacing a shower head - I've changed one out at 75. Just be sure they have an adjustable wrench that will work and get some plumber's tape to seal the connection.


I have someone who will install them for him. He completely remodeled my other grandmother's shower.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 3:07 pm
by frmrCapCadet
I ordered a 16 inch wok, they shipped Smart Post and it arrived two days faster than predicted.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:48 am
by flyingclrs727
Sounds like a good idea so long as you install the showerheads for them. Over a decade ago when I moved out of an apartment where I was living, I put back the original showerhead that I had replaced with a newer shower head. Then instead of just putting my showerhead in storage, I offered to install it at my aunt's house in Houston were I sometimes stayed on trips to Houston. The showerhead in the bathroom designated as the guest bath, had a 1950's era showerhead that had a really inefficient spray pattern. I asked my aunt if it were OK if I changed out the shower head, and she had no problem with it. It took no tools, and all I really needed was some Teflon tape which I provided. The improvement was immediate. The new showerhead not only had a much better and more useful adjustable spray pattern. It saved lots of water.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:14 pm
by 1337Delta764
Now with the Moen Magnetix Engage, Amazon hasn't updated the tracking since Wednesday and it hasn't appeared they have handed over the package to the USPS yet. I'm a little concerned that it might be lost or stolen. Amazon says it should be delivered Monday; I hope it is true. The last tracking update was when it left Amazon's facility in Miami.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:01 pm
by 1337Delta764
It's Sunday and Amazon STILL hasn't handed it off to the USPS. I hope I get a surprise tonight or tomorrow morning. I have the tracking number registered on Informed Delivery. I really hope it gets delivered soon. I'm a bit surprised it is taking this long for Amazon to hand off the package to the USPS.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:56 pm
by 1337Delta764
I just wonder if the earthquake is causing delays in processing. Neither SJU nor my grandparents' location are in the directly impacted area of the earthquake, although they did have a power outage. I would expect postal facilities to have generators.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:15 am
by 1337Delta764
Well, after several days of uncertainty my package was finally scanned by the USPS. Estimated delivery on Wednesday.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:51 am
by jetero
Well that’s a relief.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:02 pm
by 1337Delta764
Okay, it is now out for delivery. Hopefully it gets delivered.

Now with the Moen Adler showerhead that I ordered from Lowe's, they still estimate a January 29 delivery. However, it seemed to take an odd route. Right now it is in the SmartPost hub in Ellenwood, Georgia even though it was shipped out of Homestead, Florida. I recall that most mail by sea to Puerto Rico goes out of the Port of Jacksonville. I know there is also a SmartPost hub in Orlando, unless Jacksonville is sorted out of Ellenwood.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:45 am
by 1337Delta764
Just as an update, a delivery was attempted today, but my grandfather wasn't home. The USPS will attempt redelivery tomorrow.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Wed Jan 15, 2020 2:56 pm
by 1337Delta764
Well, it was finally delivered as of this morning. Let's hope the installation goes smoothly and there are no delivery issues with the second showerhead.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:53 am
by 1337Delta764
Well, my grandfather had it installed today and he says it works good. I will handle any warranty requests for him. I registered it with Moen.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:02 am
by CaptHadley
Outstanding! I would keep on top of the warranty issue. Shower heads are notoriously prone to having issues. God forbid you get any water in the working areas, not good at all.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 4:59 am
by 1337Delta764
An update on the second showerhead, FedEx confirmed it is moving by sea. However, it appears FedEx now does its own ocean transport for its SmartPost packages to Puerto Rico, since the package has not yet been handed off to USPS. Less than a week to go from the current estimated delivery date (January 31); hopefully I see an update by the end of the coming week.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2020 11:11 am
by N14AZ
frmrCapCadet wrote:
I bought a 4 or 5 star inexpensive shower head last fall, two settings - we use the one like 'rain shower'. Wife really likes it. The flow restrictor is only a little noisy. I do second arrangements for installation and maintenance. One with a hand held option one is a good for the older elderly.

Are you referring to the showers where you can choose between rain shower and the hand held shower? We have it at home and my wife loves the rain shower as well.

BUT I hate them in hotels and when you are not familiar with the type installed. It’s so often that I enter the shower cabin early in the morning, suffering from jetlag, and accidentally open the rain shower option, where typically cold water comes first. I hate these moments...

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:12 am
by 1337Delta764
N14AZ wrote:
frmrCapCadet wrote:
I bought a 4 or 5 star inexpensive shower head last fall, two settings - we use the one like 'rain shower'. Wife really likes it. The flow restrictor is only a little noisy. I do second arrangements for installation and maintenance. One with a hand held option one is a good for the older elderly.

Are you referring to the showers where you can choose between rain shower and the hand held shower? We have it at home and my wife loves the rain shower as well.

BUT I hate them in hotels and when you are not familiar with the type installed. It’s so often that I enter the shower cabin early in the morning, suffering from jetlag, and accidentally open the rain shower option, where typically cold water comes first. I hate these moments...


My parents have the Delta In2Ition with the removable handheld showerhead in the center in their bathroom. I considered it for my bathroom but I saw the Moen Engage with Magnetix had better reviews on Amazon and it was cheaper as well. Plus I think the magnet would be more durable in the long run than a notch that holds the handheld showerhead in place. I tried both of them and I like my Moen Engage better since I find it easier to use.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 3:57 am
by jetero
Well please keep us posted, and maybe your grandparents can send us photos?

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Mon Jan 27, 2020 4:24 am
by 1337Delta764
jetero wrote:
Well please keep us posted, and maybe your grandparents can send us photos?


Well, my grandfather and grandmother loves their Moen Engage with Magnetix for the shower in their master bathroom. I went with something less fancy (the Moen Adler) for the shower in secondary bathroom since that shower is used less often; hopefully it gets delivered soon. In fact at our house the shower in our third bathroom still has its original Delta showerhead (not sure the model), and there is no need to replace it because we rarely use it and it is still in good condition.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Tue Jan 28, 2020 11:58 pm
by 1337Delta764
Well, the Moen Adler was finally delivered as of today. My grandfather will get it installed when he returns to Puerto Rico (he is currently visiting us).

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:08 am
by Kiwirob
Unless we see photos of the installed shower heads this didn't happen!

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:41 pm
by rfields5421
As a grandparent.

1. They probably have all the "stuff" they want or need. Unless they have expressed a desire to get a specific item. I say don't waste the money. If you come across something you think they might enjoy that they have not considered, talk to them about it.

2. The very best gift you can give a grandparent is your time. Spend a day without using your phone. Take them out to dinner, and make sure the restaurant knows to not even allow the bill to be presented to them.

3. Or restaurant gift cards. Us old people love to eat out, even McDonalds or IHOP is pleasant. And a gift card is always greatly appreciated.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:22 pm
by jetero
Kiwirob wrote:
Unless we see photos of the installed shower heads this didn't happen!


Seconded!

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:42 am
by 1337Delta764
Here is the first one installed:
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Note that you can't see the pink in this photo, but the bathtub and toilet are pink.

Re: Are new showerheads good gifts for my grandparents?

Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:23 am
by Kiwirob
result, now the second bathroom and a photo of the pink bathtub and toilet. Is the sink also pink?