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Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:35 pm

M564038 wrote:
Because you say so?
Lol.

https://youtu.be/_04rk3lIFcM


Kiwirob wrote:
M564038 wrote:
A 70kWh Tesla 3 use 30 minutes more over 1000Km than driving non-stop. you are a very dangerous driver if you don’t have a break like that on that distance.

Even a 28kWh Ioniq will use about an hour more.


Range limitations are a bullshit argument against EVs these days.


They are not bullshit arguments, your 30 minutes extra over 1000km however is a complete fantasy at the moment.


So you’ve never watched any of Bjørn Nylands 1000km videos, he’s never tested a single car which has been able to do 500km on a single charge, his route is from Oslo to near Malmo return. I’m going to take his real world tests over your fantasy world BS.
 
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Says Kiwirob, as a reply to one of Bjørn’s videos.

I never said anything about 500Km in one go, though.
Driving Oslo-Trondheim (520Km)with a T3, I do have to charge for 7 minutes during winter.



Kiwirob wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Because you say so?
Lol.

https://youtu.be/_04rk3lIFcM


Kiwirob wrote:

They are not bullshit arguments, your 30 minutes extra over 1000km however is a complete fantasy at the moment.


So you’ve never watched any of Bjørn Nylands 1000km videos, he’s never tested a single car which has been able to do 500km on a single charge, his route is from Oslo to near Malmo return. I’m going to take his real world tests over your fantasy world BS.
 
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Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:04 am

M564038 wrote:
Says Kiwirob, as a reply to one of Bjørn’s videos.

I never said anything about 500Km in one go, though.
Driving Oslo-Trondheim (520Km)with a T3, I do have to charge for 7 minutes during winter.



Kiwirob wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Because you say so?
Lol.

https://youtu.be/_04rk3lIFcM




So you’ve never watched any of Bjørn Nylands 1000km videos, he’s never tested a single car which has been able to do 500km on a single charge, his route is from Oslo to near Malmo return. I’m going to take his real world tests over your fantasy world BS.


Sure you do
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:33 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Your replies are gibberish.

1.Home chargers are maximum 32A. At 230Volts that gives you 7,3 kW. Most car’s built in chargers are 5,5 or 6,1 Kw.



My neighbour installed a home charger, it's 230v 32A 3 phase it will charge at 22 kW.


But only the Renault Zoe can take 22kW AC.
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:34 pm

WIederling wrote:
Another issue i have is that some of the LNG propulsion solutions just don't make sense.
Germany has ordered new emergency tugs with LNG propulsion.
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswi ... er102.html
These ships are mostly idle in port. Keeping the LNG in their tanks refrigerated will be expensive.
( Preferred is running the engines gas supply with boil off from the tanks.)


The goal is to avoid air pollution, which is worst felt in ports. Of course a more logical way would be diesel engines running on the same diesel fuel used by trucks, instead of the nasty bunk stuff full of sulfur.
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:15 pm

There are complications moving from bunker to road diesel.
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:47 pm

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There are complications moving from bunker to road diesel.


not really. ( and you don't use "road diesel" anyway for switching away from bunker Oil.)

The shipping I have contact with can swap between something comparable to heavy heating oil and bunker oil.
Now what is commonly known as "bunker oil" in the US is a wide spec range of
differently refined fuels ( qualities A-L ).
Common IMU is that they need heating (reduce viscosity)
and solids cleaning before being ready for use.

at the core for polution is sulfur free, low or "more".

EU harbors, waterways tend to demand < 0.1 sulfur.

OT: someone wrote up a bit about marine fuels:
https://www.cruisetricks.de/marinediese ... eberblick/
no idea if this will succumb to google translate, try it anyway.
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:50 pm

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So you’ve never watched any of Bjørn Nylands 1000km videos.


Going by way of charger hopping.
Stressfull and nothing in the way of talking about day to day regular use.

10h for 1000km @ 100km/h average. Due to charging times "Pedal to the metal" while going.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:50 am

Aesma wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Your replies are gibberish.

1.Home chargers are maximum 32A. At 230Volts that gives you 7,3 kW. Most car’s built in chargers are 5,5 or 6,1 Kw.



My neighbour installed a home charger, it's 230v 32A 3 phase it will charge at 22 kW.


But only the Renault Zoe can take 22kW AC.


His Audi Etron will charge using it.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:21 am

Aesma wrote:
WIederling wrote:
Another issue i have is that some of the LNG propulsion solutions just don't make sense.
Germany has ordered new emergency tugs with LNG propulsion.
https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswi ... er102.html
These ships are mostly idle in port. Keeping the LNG in their tanks refrigerated will be expensive.
( Preferred is running the engines gas supply with boil off from the tanks.)


The goal is to avoid air pollution, which is worst felt in ports. Of course a more logical way would be diesel engines running on the same diesel fuel used by trucks, instead of the nasty bunk stuff full of sulfur.


I am just wondering if the boil of is just about right to power hotel mode....

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Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:32 am

tommy1808 wrote:
I am just wondering if the boil of is just about right to power hotel mode....


These ships usually get a grid connection to shore. "ShorePower"
Keeping heating working ( living quarters but up front engine room / engines, .. )

Maybe boil off could work. Difficult to estimate.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:49 pm

Didn’t know the e-tron(a terrible car, btw.) could do that. 22kWh was a special french Zoe thing.

The point is that the peak grid loads Tommy has fixated on, is only a product of his imagination, and that the real life grid usage of EVs had proven to be much more evenly distributed around the clock.

Peak hour prices and smart load distrubution boxes are only going to add to that.

As a matter of fact, people going LED with home lighting have a bigger impact on the grid than EVs.



Kiwirob wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

My neighbour installed a home charger, it's 230v 32A 3 phase it will charge at 22 kW.


But only the Renault Zoe can take 22kW AC.


His Audi Etron will charge using it.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:51 pm

M564038 wrote:
Didn’t know the e-tron(a terrible car, btw.) could do that. 22kWh was a special french Zoe thing.

The point is that the peak grid loads Tommy has fixated on, is only a product of his imagination, and that the real life grid usage of EVs had proven to be much more evenly distributed around the clock.

Peak hour prices and smart load distrubution boxes are only going to add to that.

As a matter of fact, people going LED with home lighting have a bigger impact on the grid than EVs.

As for you doubting a M3 LR could do Oslo-Trondheim with 7 minute charge, I can only tell you to try it.

It is the new people’s car, after all, O have done it numerous times.


(Sent from my M3)



Kiwirob wrote:
Aesma wrote:

But only the Renault Zoe can take 22kW AC.


His Audi Etron will charge using it.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:32 pm

M564038 wrote:
Didn’t know the e-tron(a terrible car, btw.) could do that. 22kWh was a special french Zoe thing.

Kiwirob wrote:
Aesma wrote:

But only the Renault Zoe can take 22kW AC.


His Audi Etron will charge using it.


The E-trons not so bad, it's a much nicer car to sit in and to actually drive than any Tesla, the range might not be the best in class but as electric vehicle owners love to point out nobody drives that far most days and with rapid recharging points springing up all over Norway it won't be a problem. The 2020 models have been upgraded and now travel further than the 2019 models, and I'd probably put money on it the 2021 model will also have a range improvement.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:36 pm

Kiwirob wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Didn’t know the e-tron(a terrible car, btw.) could do that. 22kWh was a special french Zoe thing.

Kiwirob wrote:

His Audi Etron will charge using it.


The E-trons not so bad, it's a much nicer car to sit in and to actually drive than any Tesla, the range might not be the best in class but as electric vehicle owners love to point out nobody drives that far most days and with rapid recharging points springing up all over Norway it won't be a problem. The 2020 models have been upgraded and now travel further than the 2019 models, and I'd probably put money on it the 2021 model will also have a range improvement.


The Etron also charges pretty fast...

M564038 wrote:
The point is that the peak grid loads Tommy has fixated on, is only a product of his imagination, and that the real life grid usage of EVs had proven to be much more evenly distributed around the clock.


I am pretty sure i am not the only one that noticed how quick you dropped your Norway example after it showed the opposite of what you claimed it would.
In fact it shows that we would not have enough Power to cover BEVs if all countries in the European grid had the same BEV penetration.... and even Norway is far from 100% BEV.

Peak hour prices and smart load distrubution boxes are only going to add to that.


Demand controlling via peak prices was one of my "fantasies", remember....
Of course you can keep the grid working of you can toss anyone not willing to pay a euro/kwh....

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Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:10 pm

What do you mean dropped my Norway-example?
I haven’t.

EVs are incredibly succsessful in Norway, and no one could ever imagine a technology change could happen that fast.
Being a cold, nordic climate with every thinkable weather, infrastructural and distance challenge not only makes it an excellent proving ground, but also makes it a prime examples of how great EVs has become.
It is absolutely certain that EVs are the future.

tommy1808 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Didn’t know the e-tron(a terrible car, btw.) could do that. 22kWh was a special french Zoe thing.



The E-trons not so bad, it's a much nicer car to sit in and to actually drive than any Tesla, the range might not be the best in class but as electric vehicle owners love to point out nobody drives that far most days and with rapid recharging points springing up all over Norway it won't be a problem. The 2020 models have been upgraded and now travel further than the 2019 models, and I'd probably put money on it the 2021 model will also have a range improvement.


The Etron also charges pretty fast...

M564038 wrote:
The point is that the peak grid loads Tommy has fixated on, is only a product of his imagination, and that the real life grid usage of EVs had proven to be much more evenly distributed around the clock.


I am pretty sure i am not the only one that noticed how quick you dropped your Norway example after it showed the opposite of what you claimed it would.
In fact it shows that we would not have enough Power to cover BEVs if all countries in the European grid had the same BEV penetration.... and even Norway is far from 100% BEV.

Peak hour prices and smart load distrubution boxes are only going to add to that.


Demand controlling via peak prices was one of my "fantasies", remember....
Of course you can keep the grid working of you can toss anyone not willing to pay a euro/kwh....

Best regards
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:51 pm

M564038 wrote:
What do you mean dropped my Norway-example?
I haven’t.

EVs are incredibly succsessful in Norway, and no one could ever imagine a technology change could happen that fast.
Being a cold, nordic climate with every thinkable weather, infrastructural and distance challenge not only makes it an excellent proving ground, but also makes it a prime examples of how great EVs has become.
It is absolutely certain that EVs are the future.

tommy1808 wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

The E-trons not so bad, it's a much nicer car to sit in and to actually drive than any Tesla, the range might not be the best in class but as electric vehicle owners love to point out nobody drives that far most days and with rapid recharging points springing up all over Norway it won't be a problem. The 2020 models have been upgraded and now travel further than the 2019 models, and I'd probably put money on it the 2021 model will also have a range improvement.


The Etron also charges pretty fast...

M564038 wrote:
The point is that the peak grid loads Tommy has fixated on, is only a product of his imagination, and that the real life grid usage of EVs had proven to be much more evenly distributed around the clock.


I am pretty sure i am not the only one that noticed how quick you dropped your Norway example after it showed the opposite of what you claimed it would.
In fact it shows that we would not have enough Power to cover BEVs if all countries in the European grid had the same BEV penetration.... and even Norway is far from 100% BEV.

Peak hour prices and smart load distrubution boxes are only going to add to that.


Demand controlling via peak prices was one of my "fantasies", remember....
Of course you can keep the grid working of you can toss anyone not willing to pay a euro/kwh....

Best regards
Thomas


The only reason why BEVs are incredibly successful
In Norway is due to govt intervention in the market. If there were no incentives to get people into BEV’s the market wouldn’t exist. The same thing happened when the govt about 12 years ago decided diesel was better and changed the playing field to ensure everyone bought diesel. If the govt had left the market alone BEVs wouldn’t be popular, you know it, I know it and so does anyone else who has been following the Norwegian market.
 
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And the only reason why gas vehicles are successful is the US spending $3 trillion and counting in the Mideast??
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Kiwirob wrote:
M564038 wrote:
What do you mean dropped my Norway-example?
I haven’t.

EVs are incredibly succsessful in Norway, and no one could ever imagine a technology change could happen that fast.
Being a cold, nordic climate with every thinkable weather, infrastructural and distance challenge not only makes it an excellent proving ground, but also makes it a prime examples of how great EVs has become.
It is absolutely certain that EVs are the future.

tommy1808 wrote:

The Etron also charges pretty fast...



I am pretty sure i am not the only one that noticed how quick you dropped your Norway example after it showed the opposite of what you claimed it would.
In fact it shows that we would not have enough Power to cover BEVs if all countries in the European grid had the same BEV penetration.... and even Norway is far from 100% BEV.



Demand controlling via peak prices was one of my "fantasies", remember....
Of course you can keep the grid working of you can toss anyone not willing to pay a euro/kwh....

Best regards
Thomas


The only reason why BEVs are incredibly successful
In Norway is due to govt intervention in the market. If there were no incentives to get people into BEV’s the market wouldn’t exist.


I never looked into the details in Norway, but it sounds to me that someone using ferries and toll roads a lot can essentially pick up a Tesla for free compared to what a budget ICE costs them to run.

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Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:42 am

Kiwirob wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

My neighbour installed a home charger, it's 230v 32A 3 phase it will charge at 22 kW.


But only the Renault Zoe can take 22kW AC.


His Audi Etron will charge using it.


Good to know.

The name of that car in French however...
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Aesma wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:
Aesma wrote:

But only the Renault Zoe can take 22kW AC.


His Audi Etron will charge using it.


Good to know.

The name of that car in French however...


first attempts are often kinda shitty.... :D

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Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:45 am

tommy1808 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Kiwirob wrote:

His Audi Etron will charge using it.


Good to know.

The name of that car in French however...


first attempts are often kinda shitty.... :D

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I wouldn't call the E-tron shitty, range isn't amazing, but fast charging makes up for it, and as a place to sit and drive in comfort I can't think of any other BEV except the Taycan that's as nice. Probably why it outsold the Model 3 for the last 3 months of 2019 in Norway.
 
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Kiwirob wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Aesma wrote:

Good to know.

The name of that car in French however...


first attempts are often kinda shitty.... :D

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I wouldn't call the E-tron shitty


i know, it was just a pun,..

and as a place to sit and drive in comfort I can't think of any other BEV except the Taycan


of course, its an Audi. I am not fond of the brand, but they do know how to put cars together.

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I saw a video test of electric car ranges in real conditions (all starting together, how far they would go), the TM3 won, the Kona second. Comfort of the Mercedes was praised, over the Audi.
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This is kind of off topic but still car related, I am planning to change rims and have seen these TIS wheels online. Is there anyone here who has it installed in their car? What are your thoughts about it?
 
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I saw a video test of electric car ranges in real conditions (all starting together, how far they would go), the TM3 won, the Kona second. Comfort of the Mercedes was praised, over the Audi.


The Advantage of the Audi, and the Taycan (and as far as early testing indicated the ID series), is it charges really fast if you charge like most people fuel: With 1/4 to 1/2 a tank. Now for me, i happily drive my Diesel to 0 km indicated range, the Model 3 charging behavior would be better, but others may not.

The hilarious bit is actually how Tesla-Fanatics try to create data points where a Model 3 out-charges a Taycan, which is kind hard with its charging curve being drastically higher ...

Yeah.. no ....

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I have seen a link every now and again something about "50 Shades Of Beige Toyota Corolla" about the history of the Toyota Corolla. And, yeah, having driving a Corolla for the past 5+ years, I would say it is pretty meh. Not bad, but not great. Just a set of wheels and internal combustion engine to get from point A to point B. If you want something to get you from here to there, yes. But if you want something to get you from here to there and it was such a great ride with so much stuff and the buttons and luxury and being wrapped in comfort and that sound system and heated this and cooled that and room for my whatever, forget it.
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tommy1808 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I saw a video test of electric car ranges in real conditions (all starting together, how far they would go), the TM3 won, the Kona second. Comfort of the Mercedes was praised, over the Audi.


The Advantage of the Audi, and the Taycan (and as far as early testing indicated the ID series), is it charges really fast if you charge like most people fuel: With 1/4 to 1/2 a tank. Now for me, i happily drive my Diesel to 0 km indicated range, the Model 3 charging behavior would be better, but others may not.

The hilarious bit is actually how Tesla-Fanatics try to create data points where a Model 3 out-charges a Taycan, which is kind hard with its charging curve being drastically higher ...

Yeah.. no ....

Image

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You're like me, I go to zero and beyond, our big car has a 73 litre tank, once I managed to fuel it with 71 litres, most of the time its around 66/67 litres with 0km left to drive.
 
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The median American household has only $11,700 in savings, so maybe the question should be "why are people spending so much on cars when they shouldn't ?".


I already answered that question: financing. It’s not about how much you’re willing to pay for a car it’s how *long*

And thats the thing. Many people have car loans up here that are 84 (some even 96) months. When you talk to them, they respond with, "thats only a few years". Thats 7 (or 8) years, they're paying $500 plus a month for 7-8 years. The reality hits them when you explain if you have a kid and they start going to school, your car won't be paid off until they hit Junior High. Reaction is priceless.
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And thats the thing. Many people have car loans up here that are 84 (some even 96) months. When you talk to them, they respond with, "thats only a few years". Thats 7 (or 8) years, they're paying $500 plus a month for 7-8 years. The reality hits them when you explain if you have a kid and they start going to school, your car won't be paid off until they hit Junior High. Reaction is priceless.


Honestly time goes by so fast, you'll never realize it. Last year was supposed to be the year I finished paying up my car loan for my first new car bought in 2012, had I not sold it and bought another 2 cars.

My current car meanwhile is 3 years down its 9 year loan term (yes, here in Malaysia our loans go up to 9 years).
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tommy1808 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I saw a video test of electric car ranges in real conditions (all starting together, how far they would go), the TM3 won, the Kona second. Comfort of the Mercedes was praised, over the Audi.


The Advantage of the Audi, and the Taycan (and as far as early testing indicated the ID series), is it charges really fast if you charge like most people fuel: With 1/4 to 1/2 a tank. Now for me, i happily drive my Diesel to 0 km indicated range, the Model 3 charging behavior would be better, but others may not.

The hilarious bit is actually how Tesla-Fanatics try to create data points where a Model 3 out-charges a Taycan, which is kind hard with its charging curve being drastically higher ...

Yeah.. no ....

Image

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Not many Porsche chargers out there, though.
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TheFlyingDisk wrote:
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And thats the thing. Many people have car loans up here that are 84 (some even 96) months. When you talk to them, they respond with, "thats only a few years". Thats 7 (or 8) years, they're paying $500 plus a month for 7-8 years. The reality hits them when you explain if you have a kid and they start going to school, your car won't be paid off until they hit Junior High. Reaction is priceless.


Honestly time goes by so fast, you'll never realize it. Last year was supposed to be the year I finished paying up my car loan for my first new car bought in 2012, had I not sold it and bought another 2 cars.

My current car meanwhile is 3 years down its 9 year loan term (yes, here in Malaysia our loans go up to 9 years).

I don’t know how the finance business works in Malaysia, but in Canada, if you need 7, 8 or 9 years to pay off a car, you can’t afford the car.
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tommy1808 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I saw a video test of electric car ranges in real conditions (all starting together, how far they would go), the TM3 won, the Kona second. Comfort of the Mercedes was praised, over the Audi.


The Advantage of the Audi, and the Taycan (and as far as early testing indicated the ID series), is it charges really fast if you charge like most people fuel: With 1/4 to 1/2 a tank. Now for me, i happily drive my Diesel to 0 km indicated range, the Model 3 charging behavior would be better, but others may not.

The hilarious bit is actually how Tesla-Fanatics try to create data points where a Model 3 out-charges a Taycan, which is kind hard with its charging curve being drastically higher ...

Yeah.. no ....

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Thomas


Not many Porsche chargers out there, though.


There's quite a few fast chargers the Porsche can choose to use. There aren't Porsche gas stations and still run fine.
 
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Re: Is There a Market for a Plain, Ordinary Car?

Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:08 pm

ACDC8 wrote:
I don’t know how the finance business works in Malaysia, but in Canada, if you need 7, 8 or 9 years to pay off a car, you can’t afford the car.


Interests are low here. I never pay anything more than 3% p.a. for any of my car loans. That's why banks often give out longer payment terms.

Plus cars are expensive here in Malaysia, relative to income. Which is why electric cars are still a pipe dream here - the cheapest electric car on sale is the Nissan Leaf at $45,353.65. To put things into perspective, the average annual net salary is around $19,686.29.
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