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Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:22 am

All kinds of weird - I missed the interview on Fox the other day but Rep. Justin Amash from MI, who broke with the GOP last year over fealty to Trump, tweeted this regarding apparent KSA payment of $1 billion for additional US troops.

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 76192?s=21

US citizens were told the deployment was to counter Iran:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1WQ21Z

Some are suggesting this WH is now either misrepresenting the actual story here, or our troops are simply mercenaries now. This certainly warrants debate - should US troops be sent places in the world simply because the recipients can pay?
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:52 am

Great so when Trump is acquitted in the Senate for the two articles of impeachment and re-elected the Dems can impeach his for this in a year and we can go through this all over again. It's ok I didn't want congress to get anything done for another 4 years. :sarcastic:
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:58 am

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Great so when Trump is acquitted in the Senate for the two articles of impeachment and re-elected the Dems can impeach his for this in a year and we can go through this all over again. It's ok I didn't want congress to get anything done for another 4 years. :sarcastic:


Sounds like you think POTUS should have kept his mouth shut..?
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:04 am

Seriously, wtf. The saudis are indefensible, we shouldn't be renting our troops like mercenaries to them.

At least we are moving on this:
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/saudi-m ... g-1.614489
 
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:14 am

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Seriously, wtf. The saudis are indefensible, we shouldn't be renting our troops like mercenaries to them.

At least we are moving on this:
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/saudi-m ... g-1.614489


So immigrants even from English speaking countries are heavily vetted, yet Saudi trainees with child porn interests and extremist links can get visas? Sounds like another investigation is needed.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:44 am

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Seriously, wtf. The saudis are indefensible, we shouldn't be renting our troops like mercenaries to them.

At least we are moving on this:
https://www.stripes.com/news/us/saudi-m ... g-1.614489


So immigrants even from English speaking countries are heavily vetted, yet Saudi trainees with child porn interests and extremist links can get visas? Sounds like another investigation is needed.


And it's almost 2 decades from 9/11 and we are still selling out to the Saudis who continue to kill Americans on our own soil.
 
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:06 am

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Great so when Trump is acquitted in the Senate for the two articles of impeachment and re-elected the Dems can impeach his for this in a year and we can go through this all over again. It's ok I didn't want congress to get anything done for another 4 years. :sarcastic:

Over 100 bills have been passed by the House and subsequently have died on McConnell's desk.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:34 pm

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All kinds of weird - I missed the interview on Fox the other day but Rep. Justin Amash from MI, who broke with the GOP last year over fealty to Trump, tweeted this regarding apparent KSA payment of $1 billion for additional US troops.

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 76192?s=21

US citizens were told the deployment was to counter Iran:


But that's true, isn't it? The troops are their to counter Iran. And someone has to counter Iran because...., well, I don't really know why. At least the American people are not paying for countering Iran alone anymore.
 
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 12:43 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
All kinds of weird - I missed the interview on Fox the other day but Rep. Justin Amash from MI, who broke with the GOP last year over fealty to Trump, tweeted this regarding apparent KSA payment of $1 billion for additional US troops.

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 76192?s=21

US citizens were told the deployment was to counter Iran:


But that's true, isn't it? The troops are their to counter Iran. And someone has to counter Iran because...., well, I don't really know why. At least the American people are not paying for countering Iran alone anymore.


KSA has a superior US/EU equipped air wing and 250K+ active ground forces - they can counter Iran on their own if they desire to keep competing for regional authority forever.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:20 pm

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Great so when Trump is acquitted in the Senate for the two articles of impeachment and re-elected the Dems can impeach his for this in a year and we can go through this all over again. It's ok I didn't want congress to get anything done for another 4 years. :sarcastic:


Nice bit of derangement going on there. What exactly does this have to do with the topic in this thread?

How is it ok to sell your troops to other countries? Military equipment I understand, but these are US citizens being pimped out to the highest bidder.

Just lovely. :sarcastic:
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:22 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
AeroVega wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
All kinds of weird - I missed the interview on Fox the other day but Rep. Justin Amash from MI, who broke with the GOP last year over fealty to Trump, tweeted this regarding apparent KSA payment of $1 billion for additional US troops.

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 76192?s=21

US citizens were told the deployment was to counter Iran:


But that's true, isn't it? The troops are their to counter Iran. And someone has to counter Iran because...., well, I don't really know why. At least the American people are not paying for countering Iran alone anymore.


KSA has a superior US/EU equipped air wing and 250K+ active ground forces - they can counter Iran on their own if they desire to keep competing for regional authority forever.


But can they really? Experience in Yemen shows otherwise.
 
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:51 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
AeroVega wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
All kinds of weird - I missed the interview on Fox the other day but Rep. Justin Amash from MI, who broke with the GOP last year over fealty to Trump, tweeted this regarding apparent KSA payment of $1 billion for additional US troops.

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 76192?s=21

US citizens were told the deployment was to counter Iran:


But that's true, isn't it? The troops are their to counter Iran. And someone has to counter Iran because...., well, I don't really know why. At least the American people are not paying for countering Iran alone anymore.


KSA has a superior US/EU equipped air wing and 250K+ active ground forces - they can counter Iran on their own if they desire to keep competing for regional authority forever.



Maybe Trump took a page out of the Kim Jong-un play book, North Korea rent's out it's workers, and the US is now renting out solders. To the worst regime on planet Earth, nonetheless....
 
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:49 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
AeroVega wrote:

But that's true, isn't it? The troops are their to counter Iran. And someone has to counter Iran because...., well, I don't really know why. At least the American people are not paying for countering Iran alone anymore.


KSA has a superior US/EU equipped air wing and 250K+ active ground forces - they can counter Iran on their own if they desire to keep competing for regional authority forever.


But can they really? Experience in Yemen shows otherwise.


How, exactly is that the American citizen’s problem?
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Redd wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AeroVega wrote:

But that's true, isn't it? The troops are their to counter Iran. And someone has to counter Iran because...., well, I don't really know why. At least the American people are not paying for countering Iran alone anymore.


KSA has a superior US/EU equipped air wing and 250K+ active ground forces - they can counter Iran on their own if they desire to keep competing for regional authority forever.



Maybe Trump took a page out of the Kim Jong-un play book, North Korea rent's out it's workers, and the US is now renting out solders. To the worst regime on planet Earth, nonetheless....


It indeed looks like Saudi Arabia prefers to pay for American soldiers to die on the battlefield than sacrifice their own. If you have the money and Trump is selling then why not?
 
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Redd wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

KSA has a superior US/EU equipped air wing and 250K+ active ground forces - they can counter Iran on their own if they desire to keep competing for regional authority forever.



Maybe Trump took a page out of the Kim Jong-un play book, North Korea rent's out it's workers, and the US is now renting out solders. To the worst regime on planet Earth, nonetheless....


It indeed looks like Saudi Arabia prefers to pay for American soldiers to die on the battlefield than sacrifice their own. If you have the money and Trump is selling then why not?


Because it’s *wrong* - our soldiers (and elected officials who send them places) take an oath to the Constitution, not foreign regimes. Especially foreign regimes that block our own citizens from holding them to account for funding Islamism that directly or indirectly precipitated the worst civilian attack on our soil, ever.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:25 pm

I think AeroVega meant "why not" from the POV of the Saudis, not the USA.

Aside from this being quite dubious, is it a fair price ? 3000 troops and tons of equipment. 1 soldier abroad costs how much, all in all ? 100 000$/year at least ?
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:43 pm

I really hate the idea that our men and women look like mercenaries. But I highly doubt this is the case here, more fake news.

The first gulf war, Kuwait and KSA paid for half of the cost of our involvement there. So nothing new. We are there defending our interests there so its great if we get payment as well, why not? we pay to defend Europe, and when is anyone getting mad for not getting the payment we deserve from Europe in Nato? US taxpayers pay to defend Europe, but I can see how that's good but this is bad.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:46 pm

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I really hate the idea that our men and women look like mercenaries. But I highly doubt this is the case here, more fake news.

The first gulf war, Kuwait and KSA paid for half of the cost of our involvement there. So nothing new. We are there defending our interests there so its great if we get payment as well, why not? we pay to defend Europe, and when is anyone getting mad for not getting the payment we deserve from Europe in Nato? US taxpayers pay to defend Europe, but I can see how that's good but this is bad.


What is fake news? Ingraham asked the question, POTUS answered and then boasted about it. Rep. Amash’s tweet was not faked either. *Context* - nobody here is a mind reader.

And KSA’s interests are not ours - period. KSA’s interests are KSA’s interests. Unless they are willing to undergo more 9/11 scrutiny so victims’ families can find peace, or return their citizens who were evacuated from the US before standing trial for crimes, they are not at all acting in our interest other than making a small number of Americans rich.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:48 pm

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AirWorthy99 wrote:
I really hate the idea that our men and women look like mercenaries. But I highly doubt this is the case here, more fake news.

The first gulf war, Kuwait and KSA paid for half of the cost of our involvement there. So nothing new. We are there defending our interests there so its great if we get payment as well, why not? we pay to defend Europe, and when is anyone getting mad for not getting the payment we deserve from Europe in Nato? US taxpayers pay to defend Europe, but I can see how that's good but this is bad.


What is fake news? Ingraham asked the question, POTUS answered and then boasted about it. Rep. Amash’s tweet was not faked either. *Context* - nobody here is a mind reader.


I highly doubt the the entire pentagon structure will allow our men and women to be mercenaries in favor of the KSA. These are words and things taken out of context by the MSM.

Like I said, take a look at the first gulf war. Nothing new here.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:54 pm

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Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
I really hate the idea that our men and women look like mercenaries. But I highly doubt this is the case here, more fake news.

The first gulf war, Kuwait and KSA paid for half of the cost of our involvement there. So nothing new. We are there defending our interests there so its great if we get payment as well, why not? we pay to defend Europe, and when is anyone getting mad for not getting the payment we deserve from Europe in Nato? US taxpayers pay to defend Europe, but I can see how that's good but this is bad.


What is fake news? Ingraham asked the question, POTUS answered and then boasted about it. Rep. Amash’s tweet was not faked either. *Context* - nobody here is a mind reader.


I highly doubt the the entire pentagon structure will allow our men and women to be mercenaries in favor of the KSA. These are words and things taken out of context by the MSM.

Like I said, take a look at the first gulf war. Nothing new here.


Pure gaslighting - nothing was taken out of context. Rep. Amash posted the clip from Fox and added his comment, that’s all. As a libertarian, his position is that US troops should not be for sale, period - especially to a regime like KSA. Here it is for you again:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 76192?s=21
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AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

What is fake news? Ingraham asked the question, POTUS answered and then boasted about it. Rep. Amash’s tweet was not faked either. *Context* - nobody here is a mind reader.


I highly doubt the the entire pentagon structure will allow our men and women to be mercenaries in favor of the KSA. These are words and things taken out of context by the MSM.

Like I said, take a look at the first gulf war. Nothing new here.


Pure gaslighting - nothing was taken out of context. Rep. Amash posted the clip from Fox and added his comment, that’s all. As a libertarian, his position is that US troops should not be for sale, period - especially to a regime like KSA. Here it is for you again:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 76192?s=21


I agree, we shouldn't be mercenaries for the KSA, but Amash left the Republican party and is in favor of impeachment, why should what he say carry any weight at this point?
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Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

I highly doubt the the entire pentagon structure will allow our men and women to be mercenaries in favor of the KSA. These are words and things taken out of context by the MSM.

Like I said, take a look at the first gulf war. Nothing new here.


Pure gaslighting - nothing was taken out of context. Rep. Amash posted the clip from Fox and added his comment, that’s all. As a libertarian, his position is that US troops should not be for sale, period - especially to a regime like KSA. Here it is for you again:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 76192?s=21


I agree, we shouldn't be mercenaries for the KSA, but Amash left the Republican party and is in favor of impeachment, why should what he say carry any weight at this point?


He left the party over disgust at abandonment of Reagan conservative values, especially looking the other way on Constitutional abuse by the executive. He stated many times at town halls that America has a POTUS, not a king, and we don’t pledge fealty to one man. That makes him a principled man worth listening to, instead of just another politician supporting an off-the-rails WH just to secure reelection.

If you think those are deficiencies on his part, it says more about you than him.
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 4:09 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Pure gaslighting - nothing was taken out of context. Rep. Amash posted the clip from Fox and added his comment, that’s all. As a libertarian, his position is that US troops should not be for sale, period - especially to a regime like KSA. Here it is for you again:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 76192?s=21


I agree, we shouldn't be mercenaries for the KSA, but Amash left the Republican party and is in favor of impeachment, why should what he say carry any weight at this point?


He left the party over disgust at abandonment of Reagan conservative values, especially looking the other way on Constitutional abuse by the executive. He stated many times at town halls that America has a POTUS, not a king, and we don’t pledge fealty to one man. That makes him a principled man worth listening to, instead of just another politician supporting an off-the-rails WH just to secure reelection.

If you think those are deficiencies on his part, it says more about you than him.



Good for him, lets see what his constituents say soon about his sudden change in views.
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AirWorthy99 wrote:

I agree, we shouldn't be mercenaries for the KSA, but Amash left the Republican party and is in favor of impeachment, why should what he say carry any weight at this point?


He left the party over disgust at abandonment of Reagan conservative values, especially looking the other way on Constitutional abuse by the executive. He stated many times at town halls that America has a POTUS, not a king, and we don’t pledge fealty to one man. That makes him a principled man worth listening to, instead of just another politician supporting an off-the-rails WH just to secure reelection.

If you think those are deficiencies on his part, it says more about you than him.



Good for him, lets see what his constituents say soon about his sudden change in views.


I don’t see any answer on substance. If you want a king, move to Spain.
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AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

He left the party over disgust at abandonment of Reagan conservative values, especially looking the other way on Constitutional abuse by the executive. He stated many times at town halls that America has a POTUS, not a king, and we don’t pledge fealty to one man. That makes him a principled man worth listening to, instead of just another politician supporting an off-the-rails WH just to secure reelection.

If you think those are deficiencies on his part, it says more about you than him.


No one is king here, but neither was Obama?


Good for him, lets see what his constituents say soon about his sudden change in views.


I don’t see any answer on substance. If you want a king, move to Spain.


No one is king here, I am sure neither was Obama?
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Aaron747 wrote:
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No one is king here, but neither was Obama?


Good for him, lets see what his constituents say soon about his sudden change in views.


I don’t see any answer on substance. If you want a king, move to Spain.


No one is king here, I am sure neither was Obama?


If that is your disposition, you should agree with Amash. 44 took executive overreach to new levels, 45 is succeeding at outdoing him.
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Great so when Trump is acquitted in the Senate for the two articles of impeachment and re-elected the Dems can impeach his for this in a year and we can go through this all over again. It's ok I didn't want congress to get anything done for another 4 years. :sarcastic:


Sounds like you think POTUS should have kept his mouth shut..?


His greatest mistake is he has diarrhea of the mouth of course.

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Great so when Trump is acquitted in the Senate for the two articles of impeachment and re-elected the Dems can impeach his for this in a year and we can go through this all over again. It's ok I didn't want congress to get anything done for another 4 years. :sarcastic:

Over 100 bills have been passed by the House and subsequently have died on McConnell's desk.
Nice try though!
Also, way to address the issue at hand.


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Aaron747 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Great so when Trump is acquitted in the Senate for the two articles of impeachment and re-elected the Dems can impeach his for this in a year and we can go through this all over again. It's ok I didn't want congress to get anything done for another 4 years. :sarcastic:


Sounds like you think POTUS should have kept his mouth shut..?


His greatest mistake is he has diarrhea of the mouth of course.

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Great so when Trump is acquitted in the Senate for the two articles of impeachment and re-elected the Dems can impeach his for this in a year and we can go through this all over again. It's ok I didn't want congress to get anything done for another 4 years. :sarcastic:

Over 100 bills have been passed by the House and subsequently have died on McConnell's desk.
Nice try though!
Also, way to address the issue at hand.


Give me 3 of them in order of importance IYO.


What did you think of this Nick?

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/saudi-m ... g-1.614489

Not sure why my buddy’s Australian wife has to wait 18+ months for a green card while Saudis with child porn habits and extremist links got visas for military training in the US. Something’s wrong with this picture...
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Great so when Trump is acquitted in the Senate for the two articles of impeachment and re-elected the Dems can impeach his for this in a year and we can go through this all over again. It's ok I didn't want congress to get anything done for another 4 years. :sarcastic:


There are bills sitting on McConnell's desk waiting to be debated and voted on in the Senate. Things are getting done in the House. Which is controlled by Democrats.

But, this is the only thing you guys can do. Deflect. Nothing in your post is relevant to the OP.

We have a system of checks and balances in the Constitution. War powers and budgeting among so many others. Three co-equal branches of government. Not one branch stronger than the other two. Sending our already broken military because another country can pay is insane and, yes, against the law.
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I really hate the idea that our men and women look like mercenaries. But I highly doubt this is the case here, more fake news.

The first gulf war, Kuwait and KSA paid for half of the cost of our involvement there. So nothing new. We are there defending our interests there so its great if we get payment as well, why not?


What American interests were US soldiers defending in the first Gulf war?

AirWorthy99 wrote:
we pay to defend Europe, and when is anyone getting mad for not getting the payment we deserve from Europe in Nato? US taxpayers pay to defend Europe, but I can see how that's good but this is bad.


Europe should pay more for its own defense by strengthening is own armies' capabilities. It's one of the few areas in which I agree with Trump.
 
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What did you think of this Nick?

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/saudi-m ... g-1.614489

Not sure why my buddy’s Australian wife has to wait 18+ months for a green card while Saudis with child porn habits and extremist links got visas for military training in the US. Something’s wrong with this picture...


Sounds like you want your buddy's wife to come to the US which is surprising since most Aussies here constantly tell us how great their country is and how the US isn't. I am glad those SA military trainees were discovered and maybe Apple will be more cooperative which helps find these bad apples. Remember the US can try to screen all they want but if Apple won't give access to their devices it's a bit hard to discover this isn't it?

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There are bills sitting on McConnell's desk waiting to be debated and voted on in the Senate. Things are getting done in the House. Which is controlled by Democrats.

But, this is the only thing you guys can do. Deflect. Nothing in your post is relevant to the OP.

We have a system of checks and balances in the Constitution. War powers and budgeting among so many others. Three co-equal branches of government. Not one branch stronger than the other two. Sending our already broken military because another country can pay is insane and, yes, against the law.


I've asked you to produce some of these bills?
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:01 pm

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I really hate the idea that our men and women look like mercenaries. But I highly doubt this is the case here, more fake news.

The first gulf war, Kuwait and KSA paid for half of the cost of our involvement there. So nothing new. We are there defending our interests there so its great if we get payment as well, why not? we pay to defend Europe, and when is anyone getting mad for not getting the payment we deserve from Europe in Nato? US taxpayers pay to defend Europe, but I can see how that's good but this is bad.


That role ended with the Cold War, US forces still stationed in Europe, which are a fraction of Cold War levels, are there mainly for forward deployment elsewhere. It's quicker to the Mid East for a start. Plus bases important for these deployments, such as the US military hospital in Germany, again quicker than going back to the US. Aircraft such as bombers, tankers, transports operate out of European bases at times, for a reason. Same with ports and naval vessels.

This attitude also ignores, with contempt, the lives lost and injuries of substantial numbers of service personnel in Iraq and Afghanistan, not only from the UK but from other NATO nations too.
Regardless of what we many think of those conflicts, the idea that European NATO nations sit around and let the US do all the work is just ignorant.

In the first (UN sanctioned) Gulf War, the most substantial contribution after the US was from the UK.
However I agree that some members should spend more, (I actually think the UK's Defence spend should be nearer 3% than 2% GDP).
That was a call made by Trump's predecessor, which did lead to an agreement to spend more, some have more catching up to do than others but importantly, the direction was reversed. Trump's illiterate tweets and increasingly demented outbursts would never have led to that outcome.
 
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Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:27 pm

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All kinds of weird - I missed the interview on Fox the other day but Rep. Justin Amash from MI, who broke with the GOP last year over fealty to Trump, tweeted this regarding apparent KSA payment of $1 billion for additional US troops.

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 76192?s=21

US citizens were told the deployment was to counter Iran:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1WQ21Z

Some are suggesting this WH is now either misrepresenting the actual story here, or our troops are simply mercenaries now. This certainly warrants debate - should US troops be sent places in the world simply because the recipients can pay?


In today's AM Joy, they showed the news clip where he actually says 'they (Saudis) gave us a billion dollars, the need troops and we get paid for it.

Now the panel questioned" Where does the money go? Into what account?

Which was pertinent to ask this...knowing trump, he just outed himself at taking money for 'soldier duty'.
This is pure bullshit! American soldiers on the line for this crooked MBS regime - from the equally crooked trump Admin.

There is it is MAGA lovers, you support this clown pimping US troops for whatever the Saudis need'...however, know they'll do the fighting but won't get one cent of this Billion.
How do your minds process and accept this.

Erik Prince being involved tells you what is going on, they are on trek to make US soldiers 'mercs'...

Bit what I really want to know is, what was trump price to take out Iranian Gen. Soleimani?

I'm sure MBS told trump (via Kushner_ to 'name his price (billions_ It's the only thing that explains trump's gushing and praise on the Saudis in that interview, Only money puts him at this type of 'happy ease'. but his mouth will let anyone in on what's going in due time..he can't help himself.

But the bottomline is YES, under this despicable president he's selling American lives for personal profit.

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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:28 pm

So, people used to say it was the "petrodollar" that we fought in the middle east for. I always blew that off as another "for oil" conspiracy theory. Apparently it's literally an agreement we made to provide military protection to the Saudis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodo ... re#History

In a series of meetings, the United States — represented by then U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger — and the Saudi royal family made an agreement. The United States would offer military protection for Saudi Arabia's oil fields, and in return the Saudis would price their oil sales exclusively in United States dollars (in other words, the Saudis were to refuse all other currencies, except the U.S. dollar, as payment for their oil exports).
 
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:42 pm

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So, people used to say it was the "petrodollar" that we fought in the middle east for. I always blew that off as another "for oil" conspiracy theory. Apparently it's literally an agreement we made to provide military protection to the Saudis.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petrodo ... re#History

In a series of meetings, the United States — represented by then U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger — and the Saudi royal family made an agreement. The United States would offer military protection for Saudi Arabia's oil fields, and in return the Saudis would price their oil sales exclusively in United States dollars (in other words, the Saudis were to refuse all other currencies, except the U.S. dollar, as payment for their oil exports).


That's very old news, the dilemma now for the GOP Conservatives is that their undying love of trump has forced them to swallow 2016 Russian assistance and not argue against it forfeiting their their loyalty to America - Now this whole pimping our soldiers out for money like saloon hookers working in the old wild west.

And predictably, they will forfeit their 'love of the troops' to look the other way as this happens..because their cult leader told them so.

So, any complaining from Reichwingers about 'the soldiers' is no longer a point of concern for them.
Just as loyalty to the Constitution no longer has meaning to them.
Just as adherence to laws are no longer important to them.
National Security has been tossed into the dumpster by them as well..

Now they're 'care for the troops' argument has been jettisoned.

In arguing with these people from now on out...remind them of their lack of those values they once cherished.

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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:36 pm

Is this the same interview with white nationalist hyena Ingraham where he said he'd steal the oil from Syria, "I left troops to take the oil. I took the oil"?

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His greatest mistake is he has diarrhea of the mouth of course.

I would argue it's the dozens of sexual assaults and decades of fraud and scamming everything he touches, but those are core republican values now.
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:15 am

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Aaron747 wrote:

What did you think of this Nick?

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/saudi-m ... g-1.614489

Not sure why my buddy’s Australian wife has to wait 18+ months for a green card while Saudis with child porn habits and extremist links got visas for military training in the US. Something’s wrong with this picture...


Sounds like you want your buddy's wife to come to the US which is surprising since most Aussies here constantly tell us how great their country is and how the US isn't. I am glad those SA military trainees were discovered and maybe Apple will be more cooperative which helps find these bad apples. Remember the US can try to screen all they want but if Apple won't give access to their devices it's a bit hard to discover this isn't it?

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There are bills sitting on McConnell's desk waiting to be debated and voted on in the Senate. Things are getting done in the House. Which is controlled by Democrats.

But, this is the only thing you guys can do. Deflect. Nothing in your post is relevant to the OP.

We have a system of checks and balances in the Constitution. War powers and budgeting among so many others. Three co-equal branches of government. Not one branch stronger than the other two. Sending our already broken military because another country can pay is insane and, yes, against the law.


I've asked you to produce some of these bills?


He’s a fellow Californian and they want to live there because he has the better job. No biggie - lots of Aussies in CA, and couples usually want to live together.

Your answer is odd though - smartphones are not the only clue to whether someone has extremist links - don’t tell me USCIS can’t run background through other agencies? They just weren’t vetting carefully because the trainer visas are temporary. I guess someone in the WH forgot KSA’s 9/11 connection, just like they forgot to put them on the travel ban list. :sarcastic:
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:08 am

American soldiers and technology were going to defend Saudi interests no matter whether a Democrat or a Republican were in the White House. But don't let that get in the way of Trump derangement syndrome. He was just bragging he got them to ante up some additional greenbacks for it (just like he did with NATO).
 
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Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:21 am

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American soldiers and technology were going to defend Saudi interests no matter whether a Democrat or a Republican were in the White House. But don't let that get in the way of Trump derangement syndrome. He was just bragging he got them to ante up some additional greenbacks for it (just like he did with NATO).


Bragging is unprofessional and beneath the office in official capacity like interviews - but putting that aside, no TDS here. As an independent voter, I am in good company - 62% of voters in my category disapprove of 45’s job performance.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/fil ... 1_2019.pdf

As for either party’s POTUS defending KSA, that’s correct - it doesn’t make it the right thing to do.
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:27 am

Aaron747 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
American soldiers and technology were going to defend Saudi interests no matter whether a Democrat or a Republican were in the White House. But don't let that get in the way of Trump derangement syndrome. He was just bragging he got them to ante up some additional greenbacks for it (just like he did with NATO).


Bragging is unprofessional and beneath the office in official capacity like interviews - but putting that aside, no TDS here. As an independent voter, I am in good company - 62% of voters in my category disapprove of 45’s job performance.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/fil ... 1_2019.pdf

As for either party’s POTUS defending KSA, that’s correct - it doesn’t make it the right thing to do.


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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:30 am

SteelChair wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
American soldiers and technology were going to defend Saudi interests no matter whether a Democrat or a Republican were in the White House. But don't let that get in the way of Trump derangement syndrome. He was just bragging he got them to ante up some additional greenbacks for it (just like he did with NATO).


Bragging is unprofessional and beneath the office in official capacity like interviews - but putting that aside, no TDS here. As an independent voter, I am in good company - 62% of voters in my category disapprove of 45’s job performance.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/fil ... 1_2019.pdf

As for either party’s POTUS defending KSA, that’s correct - it doesn’t make it the right thing to do.


I am not yet tired of winning.


A daily shitshow is not winning. The rest of the world thinks it’s a farce. We should be leading, not winning. The last administration was two-faced, this one is just shitfaced. Maybe professional performance means nothing to you, but to a lot of working professionals it’s the difference between mice and men.
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:36 am

Aaron747 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Bragging is unprofessional and beneath the office in official capacity like interviews - but putting that aside, no TDS here. As an independent voter, I am in good company - 62% of voters in my category disapprove of 45’s job performance.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/fil ... 1_2019.pdf

As for either party’s POTUS defending KSA, that’s correct - it doesn’t make it the right thing to do.


I am not yet tired of winning.


A daily shitshow is not winning. The rest of the world thinks it’s a farce. We should be leading, not winning. The last administration was two-faced, this one is just shitfaced. Maybe professional performance means nothing to you, but to a lot of hs working professionals it’s the difference between mice and men.


You speak for the rest of the world? The world that expects us to defend them, like NATO? And we have to fund it also? Or our allies that bleed us dry with one way tariffs? Did you notice that oil didn't spike last week when they were shooting actual missiles? For the last 15 years, a RUMOR of a missile spiked oil. Why the change? Because we are the largest producer of energy now, a spike benefits US. Thus, the manipulators didn't spike oil. Trump has turned everything on its head. You just have to see it. Working professionals. What a joke.
 
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:53 am

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Aaron747 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:

I am not yet tired of winning.


A daily shitshow is not winning. The rest of the world thinks it’s a farce. We should be leading, not winning. The last administration was two-faced, this one is just shitfaced. Maybe professional performance means nothing to you, but to a lot of hs working professionals it’s the difference between mice and men.


You speak for the rest of the world? The world that expects us to defend them, like NATO? And we have to fund it also? Or our allies that bleed us dry with one way tariffs? Did you notice that oil didn't spike last week when they were shooting actual missiles? For the last 15 years, a RUMOR of a missile spiked oil. Why the change? Because we are the largest producer of energy now, a spike benefits US. Thus, the manipulators didn't spike oil. Trump has turned everything on its head. You just have to see it. Working professionals. What a joke.


You have laid your priorities bare - illuminating.

Mona Charen, Reagan conservative:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/10/ ... le-of-law/

He has expanded the concept of executive privilege to apply to those who never worked in the White House. He has demanded personal loyalty from career civil servants. He has instructed aides to confiscate Americans’ property along the border, promising that if they run into legal trouble, he will pardon them later. He told border agents to turn away all asylum seekers. If an inconvenience, like U.S. law, should arise, he added, they were to say, “Sorry judge; we don’t have the room.”

Rampant unprofessionalism. As I told another sycophant - if you want a king, move to Spain.
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:59 am

SteelChair wrote:
American soldiers and technology were going to defend Saudi interests no matter whether a Democrat or a Republican were in the White House. But don't let that get in the way of Trump derangement syndrome. He was just bragging he got them to ante up some additional greenbacks for it (just like he did with NATO).


I don't think Trump supporters understand what the NATO spending thing is and because it's been misrepresented to them they'll never learn and forever sound incredibly ignorant about it. NATO, like the UN, has been to the US's benefit. To try dismantling these things is idiotic, like saying that the US was doing too well and we need to stop taking advantage of the world and give some power back. How kind of you, but that makes you a left wing hippie.
 
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:26 am

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seb146 wrote:
There are bills sitting on McConnell's desk waiting to be debated and voted on in the Senate. Things are getting done in the House. Which is controlled by Democrats.

But, this is the only thing you guys can do. Deflect. Nothing in your post is relevant to the OP.

We have a system of checks and balances in the Constitution. War powers and budgeting among so many others. Three co-equal branches of government. Not one branch stronger than the other two. Sending our already broken military because another country can pay is insane and, yes, against the law.


I've asked you to produce some of these bills?


The Congressional Record is public. Here are a couple of starting places, though

https://www.vox.com/2019/11/29/20977735 ... rats-trump
https://www.congress.gov/search?q={%22source%22:%22legislation%22,%22congress%22:116,%22type%22:%22bills%22,%22chamber%22:%22House%22}&searchResultViewType=expanded&KWICView=false
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:59 am

SteelChair wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:

I am not yet tired of winning.


A daily shitshow is not winning. The rest of the world thinks it’s a farce. We should be leading, not winning. The last administration was two-faced, this one is just shitfaced. Maybe professional performance means nothing to you, but to a lot of hs working professionals it’s the difference between mice and men.


You speak for the rest of the world? The world that expects us to defend them, like NATO? And we have to fund it also? Or our allies that bleed us dry with one way tariffs? Did you notice that oil didn't spike last week when they were shooting actual missiles? For the last 15 years, a RUMOR of a missile spiked oil. Why the change? Because we are the largest producer of energy now, a spike benefits US. Thus, the manipulators didn't spike oil. Trump has turned everything on its head. You just have to see it. Working professionals. What a joke.

He sure does love the poorly educated.

Trump had zilch to do with the expansion of fossil fuel production in the USA. He did come up with a new name for NATO: NATOME. Because he really is that stupid. So congrats there!

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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:36 am

Why would Trump think this is a good idea? No military family wants to see our troops shot at for any amount of money.
 
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:59 am

this just makes me sick. what is wrong with Trump, Somebody needs to stand up for our troops.
What's wrong with these generals? or the GOP, why do they keep on checking their dignity at the door no matter what Trump does.
 
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Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:41 am

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this just makes me sick. what is wrong with Trump, Somebody needs to stand up for our troops.
What's wrong with these generals? or the GOP, why do they keep on checking their dignity at the door no matter what Trump does.


Mattis is gone. The only person protecting the military from the chaos of the administration is gone. When I found out he was gone, I freaked out because I knew things were going to get rough.
 
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Re: WH Boasts US Troops Were Sent for Money

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:52 pm

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I really hate the idea that our men and women look like mercenaries. But I highly doubt this is the case here, more fake news.

The first gulf war, Kuwait and KSA paid for half of the cost of our involvement there. So nothing new. We are there defending our interests there so its great if we get payment as well, why not? we pay to defend Europe, and when is anyone getting mad for not getting the payment we deserve from Europe in Nato? US taxpayers pay to defend Europe, but I can see how that's good but this is bad.



you do realize you're talking about defending the Saudi prince who dismembers people?

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