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Dieuwer
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:06 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
What would you do if you attend classes and your college professor is returning from Italy shortly? Tell him to stay away? Would be rude, no? Refuse to attend classes? Sue the school for "reckless endangerment"?


Well, the school asked him to stay for at least a week at home and see if any symptoms show up. If not, then he is welcome to return to school.
 
Dieuwer
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 5:25 pm

Looks like the situation in Europe is getting out of control.
New cases in Italy blasted 20% higher overnight. It is now vying for second place with South Korea. Spain and Germany also recorded 20% more cases. Belgium and The Netherlands recorded an increase of 30%.
If even half of the population of Europe gets infected and 3% dies, we are talking tens of millions of deaths.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:42 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Looks like the situation in Europe is getting out of control.
New cases in Italy blasted 20% higher overnight. It is now vying for second place with South Korea. Spain and Germany also recorded 20% more cases. Belgium and The Netherlands recorded an increase of 30%.
If even half of the population of Europe gets infected and 3% dies, we are talking tens of millions of deaths.

Fatality rate is nowhere near 3%.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:49 pm

Scorpio wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Looks like the situation in Europe is getting out of control.
New cases in Italy blasted 20% higher overnight. It is now vying for second place with South Korea. Spain and Germany also recorded 20% more cases. Belgium and The Netherlands recorded an increase of 30%.
If even half of the population of Europe gets infected and 3% dies, we are talking tens of millions of deaths.

Fatality rate is nowhere near 3%.

nowhere near 3% YET. From Chinese experience, condition worsens after 10 days, so we don't know YET.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:40 pm

kalvado wrote:
nowhere near 3% YET. From Chinese experience, condition worsens after 10 days, so we don't know YET.


It won't be anywhere near 3%. The number of reported cases is only a fraction of ther actual number of cases. Most countries only test people with symptoms, and even then they don't test all of them. Asymptomatic patients are not counted or tested on any wide scale. Same for many with only very mild symptoms, who may not even go to a doctor because they think they have a cold. So the actual number of cases is a LOT higher, meaning the fatality rate is a lot lower. Leading virologist Peter Piot of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine estimates the Case Fatality Rate will turn out to be a maximum of 1%, and probably less.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:46 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/city-of-kent-moves-to-block-king-county-from-opening-coronavirus-quarantine-site-in-motel/

Here is an interesting case. The county bought the only motel available which best meets quarantine standards. Separate HVAC for each unit, exterior entrances only, parking availability etc. The city objected that they were not appropriately involved. Courts immediately decided in the counties favor as an emergency necessity. The county is preparing 3 other sites throughout the county including, I think, some in Seattle. My instincts are that the higher levels of government must have the ability to provide services to those people needing quarantine or isolation.

This may be slightly askew the cruise ship off shore in California. Those people need to be taken off the ship (which is a proven infection incubator), and taken to safe housing where they can be isolated appropriately, probably for another 14 days.


About taking the people off the ship. As you point out, you need to find hotel facilities that can take a huge amount of people, have facilities like separate HVAC and if possible catering, that are available to kick out the existing bookings to accept the cruise passengers.
Security needs to be present to avoid "escapes".
People also need to get tested first and only people who test negative should be allowed in such facilities.
So I am in favor of it if good protocols are followed to avoid that these people become a threat to people on-shore.

About infected people, taking them to separate hotels and hospitals where needed is the only option.

Getting everyone tested quickly is going to make the difference.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:53 pm

Scorpio wrote:
kalvado wrote:
nowhere near 3% YET. From Chinese experience, condition worsens after 10 days, so we don't know YET.


It won't be anywhere near 3%. The number of reported cases is only a fraction of ther actual number of cases. Most countries only test people with symptoms, and even then they don't test all of them. Asymptomatic patients are not counted or tested on any wide scale. Same for many with only very mild symptoms, who may not even go to a doctor because they think they have a cold. So the actual number of cases is a LOT higher, meaning the fatality rate is a lot lower. Leading virologist Peter Piot of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine estimates the Case Fatality Rate will turn out to be a maximum of 1%, and probably less.


In China many people are dying before receiving the Coronavirus diagnosis as they can't test everyone.
So essentially, there being more cases than are confirmed is a given, there being fatilities among them is also not to be forgotten.

China probably has millions of infections by now, as there is no reason that it couldn't spread further in cities where no proper lockdown was established, and their 2-months survival rate is probably much lower than the 99% that you are suggesting.
Hospitals in Wuhan are starting to empty themselves, is it because of recoveries or because of people dying?

Until that picture is clear, shouting out optimistic numbers "to save the economy" is not a good idea, any attempt to maintain economic activities will worsen the crisis and cause more economic damage.

Belgium's leading virologist Van Ranst who is leading the testing in Belgium was very enthusiastic last week, "we can deal with this, we are prepared, no need to panic", you should see him this week, his enthusiasm has vanished and he's become a sad looking man (picture below) now saying that he "intentionally made people worry so everyone could prepare for the worst" , which is not what he was saying a week ago.
Now his lab is flooded and test kits are running out, he said that they used up 6 months worth of test kit supplies in 6 days. (source http://www.hln.be)

So I would take the "leading virologists" with a pinch of salt. We'll see what Peter Piot is saying in a couple of months, he's probably going to sbout through the rooftops about how he warned the world.
The "experts" at the WHO have been peddling back pretty hard on what they were saying just a month ago.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:27 pm

Belgian minister of Health, Maggie de Block (a doctor herself) is under intense criticism from Belgians.

One comment on http://www.hln.be, the leading news outlet in Belgium:

Maggie was klaar. Geen voorraad mondmaskers. Geen voorraad reagentia. Geen voorraad proefbuisjes. Geen testen van iedereen met symptomen want te weinig laboratoria. Dokters geen duidelijke richtlijnen. Geen verbod op reizen Iran China en Italië. Geen screenings op de luchthaven. Gebrek aan handschoenen.


Translation:
Maggie was ready (for the Coronavirus, cf what she said 10 days ago, "we are ready, don't panic").
No stock of masks. No stock of reagents. No stock of test vials. No tests for everyone as not enough labs. Doctors don't have clear guidelines. No travel restrictions for Iran, China, Italy. No airport screenings. Not enough gloves.

Een week geleden verklaarde De Bock dat we er weinig zouden van merken en niet ongerust moesten zijn. Nu piept ze anders nu zie je nog maar eens hoe onbekwaam ze is eveneens ook in de regering is ze een dikke nul


Translation:
A week ago De Block was saying tgat we woukd't even notice it and not to worry about it. Now she is saying something different and you can see how incompetent she is, also in givernment affairs she is a big zero.

https://m.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/live ... ~a9746f3b/
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:29 pm

Hi Folk
here perhaps are approving the closure of Milan (where i live) region, Lombardy, and others province installing a Red Area. Until 3 April
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:42 pm

Coronavirus quarantine hotel collapses in China, trapping 70 people

From CNN's Yong Xiong and Theresa Waldrop

Search and rescue efforts are underway after about 70 people were trapped in a hotel collapse Saturday night in southeastern China, officials in the city of Quanzhou said.

The hotel was used as a coronavirus quarantine center, People's Daily and other state media outlets confirmed.

Thirty-three people had been rescued from the debris by 9:30 p.m. local time (8:30 a.m. ET), the city's government said in a statement. Another 10 were rescued over the next three hours, People's Daily reported, and search efforts were ongoing.

Quanzhou is about 600 miles from Wuhan, the epicenter of the COVID-19 outbreak in China, where more than 3,000 people have died from the virus.

No fatalities have been reported in the building collapse.

https://edition.cnn.com/asia/live-news/ ... index.html
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:51 pm

mxp wrote:
Hi Folk
here perhaps are approving the closure of Milan (where i live) region, Lombardy, and others province installing a Red Area. Until 3 April


Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Indeed, Lombardy seems to be locked down until at least April 3rd, this includes Milan.
No entry or exit from the region unless you have grave reasons.

This would mean that Milan airports will close.

https://www.corriere.it/politica/20_mar ... 6fc4.shtml
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:00 pm

Intensive Care Unit doctors say situation is on the brink, urging for the Region of Lombardy to take measures to reduce social contacts to avoid a health catastrophe.

https://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/artic ... c9c57.html
 
Dieuwer
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:27 pm

Looks like the LA Marathon is still on for this Sunday. Completely irresponsible.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:40 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Looks like the situation in Europe is getting out of control.
New cases in Italy blasted 20% higher overnight. It is now vying for second place with South Korea. Spain and Germany also recorded 20% more cases. Belgium and The Netherlands recorded an increase of 30%.
If even half of the population of Europe gets infected and 3% dies, we are talking tens of millions of deaths.



Loved driving through Europe without actual borders, but certainly this crisis shows that open borders have a huge problem, in the past with the terrorists, immigrants they dismissed this, but now, this virus is spreading out of control because of very weak border controls.

Are open borders within Europe sustainable?
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:43 pm

Waterbomber2 wrote:
Belgium's leading virologist Van Ranst who is leading the testing in Belgium was very enthusiastic last week, "we can deal with this, we are prepared, no need to panic", you should see him this week, his enthusiasm has vanished and he's become a sad looking man (picture below) now saying that he "intentionally made people worry so everyone could prepare for the worst" , which is not what he was saying a week ago.
Now his lab is flooded and test kits are running out, he said that they used up 6 months worth of test kit supplies in 6 days. (source http://www.hln.be)


For future reference, it's this paragraph that made me decide to not take any of your posts seriously.

Being Belgian, and having followed Marc Van Ranst and everything he's said about this virus from day one, it is clear that you are, intentionally or not, misrepresenting what he said and how he said it grossly, with a ridiculous dose of apocalyptic dramatisation. Something you appear to be doing with pretty much every post here.

Van Ranst has never been 'enthusiastic' about this virus or about the preparations for it. Ever. From day one, he's been very serious and factual, and nothing in his demeanor has changed. He doesn't look any different, or less 'enthusiastic' today than he did a week ago.

It is also simply not true that he is just NOW saying that he 'intentionally made people worry so they could prepare for the worst'. He has said from the beginning that the reason he was giving interviews about this everywhere was to make people take note, to give the correct information, and to make sure people took it seriously, and took the necessary precautions. He was already saying that before the first new contamination happened in Belgium a week ago. Nothing's changed.

You're also misrepresenting the 'running out' thing. No, his lab isn't being 'flooded', he has said today (!) that there's plenty of capacity, but they are running low on reagents, which may mean they will have to prioritise testing in the future. This is a worldwide problem, for the simple reason that every lab in the world is now trying to order those reagents, and is something that was to be expected. The 'six months in six days' refers to the reagents, which are also used for other applications. The six months refers to how much of this they would normally use in six months (in the other applications), and NOT to how long they expected the Covid-19 test kits to last.

Covid-19 is serious, and needs to be treated as such. But there is no need for the apocalyptic and overdramatised 'The End is Nigh' kinds of posts some here have been making on a semi-constant basis. In fact, it's counterproductive.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:53 pm

Are open border between the states sustainable? LOL
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:55 pm

Waterbomber2 wrote:
Belgian minister of Health, Maggie de Block (a doctor herself) is under intense criticism from Belgians.

One comment on http://www.hln.be, the leading news outlet in Belgium:

Maggie was klaar. Geen voorraad mondmaskers. Geen voorraad reagentia. Geen voorraad proefbuisjes. Geen testen van iedereen met symptomen want te weinig laboratoria. Dokters geen duidelijke richtlijnen. Geen verbod op reizen Iran China en Italië. Geen screenings op de luchthaven. Gebrek aan handschoenen.


Translation:
Maggie was ready (for the Coronavirus, cf what she said 10 days ago, "we are ready, don't panic").
No stock of masks. No stock of reagents. No stock of test vials. No tests for everyone as not enough labs. Doctors don't have clear guidelines. No travel restrictions for Iran, China, Italy. No airport screenings. Not enough gloves.

Een week geleden verklaarde De Bock dat we er weinig zouden van merken en niet ongerust moesten zijn. Nu piept ze anders nu zie je nog maar eens hoe onbekwaam ze is eveneens ook in de regering is ze een dikke nul


Translation:
A week ago De Block was saying tgat we woukd't even notice it and not to worry about it. Now she is saying something different and you can see how incompetent she is, also in givernment affairs she is a big zero.

https://m.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/live ... ~a9746f3b/

If you're now seriously using facebook comments from HLN of all places to back up your point, you've really lost the plot. The HLN comment section is seen by most Flemish people as the cesspool of the country. Badly spelled reactionary comments from people who couldn't string together a decent argument if their lives depended on it. Any politician who isn't a member of the racist extreme right wing Vlaams Belang is mercilessly attacked on there irrespective of what they do or don't do, or what they say or don't say. Half the comments on De Block simply consist of people calling her a fat cow. That's about as sophisticated as they get, and that didn't start this week with the Covid-19 crisis, it's what they've been doing from the day she got into office.

Don't ever make it seem like HLN comments represent 'the Belgians'. It's insulting.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:58 pm

Hi people
Its official. From tomorrow till 3 April Milan, my city, Lombardy and some others province are lock from the rest of Italy and Europe. We are Red Area. Hospital and sanity are collapsing. In very very worried.
Greetings to all
Alberto
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:41 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
Are open border between the states sustainable? LOL


Very funny, is each state a different country? last time I checked they weren't. Nice try at whataboutism.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:44 pm

mxp wrote:
[]From tomorrow till 3 April Milan, my city, Lombardy and some others province are lock from the rest of Italy and Europe. We are Red Area. Hospital and sanity are collapsing.[...]


Say thank you to the politically over-correct Conte II cabinet. They refused to quarntine Chinese guest workers who returned to Italy in January because they feared "racism" accusations.

Due to that negligence the virus is spreading all over Europe. And at the same time even Chinese dissidents lough their sleeves: "Coronavirus is like pasta. The Chinese invented it, but the Italians will spread it all over the world.".

https://www.wantedinmilan.com/news/coro ... italy.html
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:00 am

In reading about Milan and the region being locked down, I understand how roads and rail lines can be closed and protected. However, if this were to happen in the US, would the Air Force patrol for general aviation leaving the locked down areas? Would the Navy guard against personal boats leaving?
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:25 am

Scorpio wrote:
Waterbomber2 wrote:
Belgian minister of Health, Maggie de Block (a doctor herself) is under intense criticism from Belgians.

One comment on http://www.hln.be, the leading news outlet in Belgium:

Maggie was klaar. Geen voorraad mondmaskers. Geen voorraad reagentia. Geen voorraad proefbuisjes. Geen testen van iedereen met symptomen want te weinig laboratoria. Dokters geen duidelijke richtlijnen. Geen verbod op reizen Iran China en Italië. Geen screenings op de luchthaven. Gebrek aan handschoenen.


Translation:
Maggie was ready (for the Coronavirus, cf what she said 10 days ago, "we are ready, don't panic").
No stock of masks. No stock of reagents. No stock of test vials. No tests for everyone as not enough labs. Doctors don't have clear guidelines. No travel restrictions for Iran, China, Italy. No airport screenings. Not enough gloves.

Een week geleden verklaarde De Bock dat we er weinig zouden van merken en niet ongerust moesten zijn. Nu piept ze anders nu zie je nog maar eens hoe onbekwaam ze is eveneens ook in de regering is ze een dikke nul


Translation:
A week ago De Block was saying tgat we woukd't even notice it and not to worry about it. Now she is saying something different and you can see how incompetent she is, also in givernment affairs she is a big zero.

https://m.hln.be/nieuws/buitenland/live ... ~a9746f3b/

If you're now seriously using facebook comments from HLN of all places to back up your point, you've really lost the plot. The HLN comment section is seen by most Flemish people as the cesspool of the country. Badly spelled reactionary comments from people who couldn't string together a decent argument if their lives depended on it. Any politician who isn't a member of the racist extreme right wing Vlaams Belang is mercilessly attacked on there irrespective of what they do or don't do, or what they say or don't say. Half the comments on De Block simply consist of people calling her a fat cow. That's about as sophisticated as they get, and that didn't start this week with the Covid-19 crisis, it's what they've been doing from the day she got into office.

Don't ever make it seem like HLN comments represent 'the Belgians'. It's insulting.



What Maggie de Block and Van Ranst did was totally irresponsible.
They should have isolated everyone coming back from Northern Italy to avoid what is going on in Belgium.
Tiny Belgium is playing out to be a little disaster of its own right now. 169 cases for 11 million.
That prevalence would be the equivalent of 5000 cases in the USA or 25000 for a country like China.
And we're talking about numbers that are evolving.
A health emergency like Italy seems inevitable in the coming weeks/months.


Van Ranst said this a month ago:

De kans is reëel dat er ook in ons land infecties van het coronavirus zullen worden vastgesteld. Alle nodige voorzorgsmaatregelen werden alvast getroffen. ‘Maar ik blijf het zeggen, er is geen enkele reden tot paniek’, benadrukt viroloog Marc Van Ranst.


"The chance is real that there will be infections in our country. We are already making all precautionary measures. "But I will keep repeating it, there is no reason to panic."

https://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20200127_04822974

This is what he said the day before yesterday:

In tijden van corona is Marc Van Ranst ons kompas. Zijn stem is de stem waarnaar iedereen luistert, de overheid incluis. De professor Virologie van de KU Leuven heeft ons met opzet bezorgd gemaakt, zegt hij. “Het was de enige kogel in ons pistool. Als je geen vaccin hebt, moet je sensibiliseren.” En dat is gelukt, volgens hem.


In times of Corona, Marc van Ranst is our compass. His voice is the voice that everyone listens to, including the government. The professor virology has mad us worried on purpose he says. "It was the only bullet in our gun. If you don't have a vaccine, you need to make people sensitive to the subject." That worked, according to him.

https://www.hln.be/de-krant/interview-w ... ~ae2ba60e/


You're probably a troll for the Belgian government?
Tell your bosses that they messed up big time.

Comments on HLN are highly moderated and allow everyone to express their POV.
So people are speaking their mind and I picked some comments that do reflect an increasing point of view in Belgium.
It may be a cespool of weirdo's, but Belgium is becoming a cespool of infections and people are growing frustrated with the government not taking appropriate measures.

Other than that, you don't need to take my posts seriously, I'm mostly just posting breaking news from around the world, informing people, your opinion of me doesn't matter.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:29 am

Seems like the Coronavirus outbreak has further hit Europe lately. Now I must cancel my Europe trip because of this.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:41 am

SQ789 wrote:
Seems like the Coronavirus outbreak has further hit Europe lately. Now I must cancel my Europe trip because of this.


Mine in August hopefully still goes ahead, but it might be in doubt too. Very sad because I really love going back to France.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:01 am

Coronavirus: Real Time Counter, World Map

https://youtu.be/qgylp3Td1Bw
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:09 am

SQ789 wrote:
Seems like the Coronavirus outbreak has further hit Europe lately. Now I must cancel my Europe trip because of this.


Still planning to go on my two trips to Europe. In two weeks I am flying LAX-IST-LAX, and two weeks later LAX-FCO-ARN-HEL-LAX.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:37 am

A bit of a personal anecdote.

I just flew JFK-VIE and the flight was reasonably occupied (60-75% estimated). The check in area, however, which is shared by LH was completely empty even with three flights departing around the same time (MUC, FRA, VIE). Not too many people on board with the masks and I didn't see anyone on my subsequent flight (VIE-CPT) with them on.

Additionally, one of my close friends just returned from Seattle to NYC on Sunday and had a high fever and flu-like symptoms. He went to the ER and was told they didn't have the capacity to test for COVID without severe symptoms so he is currently self-isolating until his symptoms go away. He was told there are around 3-5,000 people in NYC currently self-isolating as well. Quite different from Trump claiming that anyone who wants a test can have one.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:40 am

France surpasses 1000 cases, rising fast.

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https://www.lefigaro.fr/sciences/2020/0 ... -monde.php
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:51 am

Good SE Cupp segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_ypH6Bk-oY&t=327s.
Note the brain dead Trump voter who doesn't think COVID-19 is real.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:55 am

The women in the toilet paper fracas at Woolworths Chullora have been charged:

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/cha ... 547xy.html

I bet they are regretting it now... They had an enormous trolley load there!

I agree with one of the comments, thank goodness John Howard brought in gun control, or we'd be having people gun down others in their quest to get all of the toilet paper. :roll: Well, maybe not, but given this kind of hysterical behaviour, who knows? :eek:
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:56 am

In Japan, there is commotion around a particular case of a man from Hiroshima in his 30's who has shown symptoms on Feb. 15th, visited 3 different hospitals on 7 occasions over the course of 2 weeks and was denied Covid19 testing as he didnt fit the criteria.
A test was finally administered at a 4th hospital on March 5th and the positivs result was confirmed on the 6th...

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/202003 ... -items_098


A yound man in his 20's is also hospitalised in critical conditions for meningitis thought to be caused by Covid19.
He didnt show up for work and they coulndn't reach him so colleagues contacted his family and they went to his house with police and found him lying on the floor. The man tested negative for Covid 19 to the prefecture's testing but then tested positive twice in additional tests taken by the hospital (good job of the doctors there).
He is now in ICU.

www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200308/amp/k10012319561000.html
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:05 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
What Maggie de Block and Van Ranst did was totally irresponsible.
They should have isolated everyone coming back from Northern Italy to avoid what is going on in Belgium.


No other country in Europe did that.

Tiny Belgium is playing out to be a little disaster of its own right now. 169 cases for 11 million.


Which is perfectly in line with the numbers in our neighboring countries the Netherlands, France and Germany.

That prevalence would be the equivalent of 5000 cases in the USA or 25000 for a country like China.


The US has 19 deaths already, for 'only' 444 cases, and we're seeing left and right (here on a.net as well, see NYCVIE's post) that they're only testing people with severe symptoms. So if there's one country where the actual number of cases is ridiculously higher than is being reported, it's the US. They probably ARE way above 5000.

Van Ranst said this a month ago:

De kans is reëel dat er ook in ons land infecties van het coronavirus zullen worden vastgesteld. Alle nodige voorzorgsmaatregelen werden alvast getroffen. ‘Maar ik blijf het zeggen, er is geen enkele reden tot paniek’, benadrukt viroloog Marc Van Ranst.


"The chance is real that there will be infections in our country. We are already making all precautionary measures. "But I will keep repeating it, there is no reason to panic."

https://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20200127_04822974

This is what he said the day before yesterday:

In tijden van corona is Marc Van Ranst ons kompas. Zijn stem is de stem waarnaar iedereen luistert, de overheid incluis. De professor Virologie van de KU Leuven heeft ons met opzet bezorgd gemaakt, zegt hij. “Het was de enige kogel in ons pistool. Als je geen vaccin hebt, moet je sensibiliseren.” En dat is gelukt, volgens hem.


In times of Corona, Marc van Ranst is our compass. His voice is the voice that everyone listens to, including the government. The professor virology has mad us worried on purpose he says. "It was the only bullet in our gun. If you don't have a vaccine, you need to make people sensitive to the subject." That worked, according to him.

https://www.hln.be/de-krant/interview-w ... ~ae2ba60e/


You're just confirming what I wrote above, almost verbatim.

You're probably a troll for the Belgian government?
Tell your bosses that they messed up big time.


It's quite an insight into the world you live in when you think the Belgian government is paying people to troll a.net of all places. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such a comment...

Comments on HLN are highly moderated


LOL! No they're not. They're hardly moderated at all.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:21 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
kalvado wrote:
nowhere near 3% YET. From Chinese experience, condition worsens after 10 days, so we don't know YET.


It won't be anywhere near 3%. The number of reported cases is only a fraction of ther actual number of cases. Most countries only test people with symptoms, and even then they don't test all of them. Asymptomatic patients are not counted or tested on any wide scale. Same for many with only very mild symptoms, who may not even go to a doctor because they think they have a cold. So the actual number of cases is a LOT higher, meaning the fatality rate is a lot lower. Leading virologist Peter Piot of the London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine estimates the Case Fatality Rate will turn out to be a maximum of 1%, and probably less.


In China many people are dying before receiving the Coronavirus diagnosis as they can't test everyone.
So essentially, there being more cases than are confirmed is a given, there being fatilities among them is also not to be forgotten.

China probably has millions of infections by now, as there is no reason that it couldn't spread further in cities where no proper lockdown was established, and their 2-months survival rate is probably much lower than the 99% that you are suggesting.
Hospitals in Wuhan are starting to empty themselves, is it because of recoveries or because of people dying?

Until that picture is clear, shouting out optimistic numbers "to save the economy" is not a good idea, any attempt to maintain economic activities will worsen the crisis and cause more economic damage.

Belgium's leading virologist Van Ranst who is leading the testing in Belgium was very enthusiastic last week, "we can deal with this, we are prepared, no need to panic", you should see him this week, his enthusiasm has vanished and he's become a sad looking man (picture below) now saying that he "intentionally made people worry so everyone could prepare for the worst" , which is not what he was saying a week ago.
Now his lab is flooded and test kits are running out, he said that they used up 6 months worth of test kit supplies in 6 days. (source http://www.hln.be)

So I would take the "leading virologists" with a pinch of salt. We'll see what Peter Piot is saying in a couple of months, he's probably going to sbout through the rooftops about how he warned the world.
The "experts" at the WHO have been peddling back pretty hard on what they were saying just a month ago.

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Picture from hln.be



Right, people are still making the mistake of basing their assumptions of this on influenza. This is not a flu virus. The closest comparison is SARS. The case fatality rate of SARS was adjusted upwards, not down.


At a store today while I was buying the last bottle of hand sanitizer in my city, the girl at the register wanted too argue this was no big deal because all you have to do is eat healthy and you won't get sick. When then cited the 2009 "coronavirus". I informed her that was a flu virus with an existing vaccine and antivirals and not a coronavirus. She said the flu virus is a coronavirus. I told her no, it's not, it's an Orthomyxovirus and she just stared at me blankly.

This is a day after I met with the person in charge of my employer's coronavirus response and he told me we wouldn't be taking any preventative action because this is milder than the flu, along with a lot of other misinformation that infuriated me.

Holy crap, these morons will be the end of us. Why are people so stupid?
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:31 am

Scorpio wrote:
Waterbomber2 wrote:
What Maggie de Block and Van Ranst did was totally irresponsible.
They should have isolated everyone coming back from Northern Italy to avoid what is going on in Belgium.


No other country in Europe did that.

Tiny Belgium is playing out to be a little disaster of its own right now. 169 cases for 11 million.


Which is perfectly in line with the numbers in our neighboring countries the Netherlands, France and Germany.

That prevalence would be the equivalent of 5000 cases in the USA or 25000 for a country like China.


The US has 19 deaths already, for 'only' 444 cases, and we're seeing left and right (here on a.net as well, see NYCVIE's post) that they're only testing people with severe symptoms. So if there's one country where the actual number of cases is ridiculously higher than is being reported, it's the US. They probably ARE way above 5000.

Van Ranst said this a month ago:

De kans is reëel dat er ook in ons land infecties van het coronavirus zullen worden vastgesteld. Alle nodige voorzorgsmaatregelen werden alvast getroffen. ‘Maar ik blijf het zeggen, er is geen enkele reden tot paniek’, benadrukt viroloog Marc Van Ranst.


"The chance is real that there will be infections in our country. We are already making all precautionary measures. "But I will keep repeating it, there is no reason to panic."

https://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20200127_04822974

This is what he said the day before yesterday:

In tijden van corona is Marc Van Ranst ons kompas. Zijn stem is de stem waarnaar iedereen luistert, de overheid incluis. De professor Virologie van de KU Leuven heeft ons met opzet bezorgd gemaakt, zegt hij. “Het was de enige kogel in ons pistool. Als je geen vaccin hebt, moet je sensibiliseren.” En dat is gelukt, volgens hem.


In times of Corona, Marc van Ranst is our compass. His voice is the voice that everyone listens to, including the government. The professor virology has mad us worried on purpose he says. "It was the only bullet in our gun. If you don't have a vaccine, you need to make people sensitive to the subject." That worked, according to him.

https://www.hln.be/de-krant/interview-w ... ~ae2ba60e/


You're just confirming what I wrote above, almost verbatim.

You're probably a troll for the Belgian government?
Tell your bosses that they messed up big time.


It's quite an insight into the world you live in when you think the Belgian government is paying people to troll a.net of all places. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such a comment...

Comments on HLN are highly moderated


LOL! No they're not. They're hardly moderated at all.


Indeed, no other country did it because Italy is the only country that is taking this seriously, so now Italy did it for them, they closed off 10 million of people so the other countries can start slowing this down.

For all we know, Belgium could have thousands of cases that are not being tested because they don't come from Northern Italy.

France, Germany, Netherlands are being as totally irresponsible as Belgium. Macron and Merkel are now facing 4-digit cases and doing very little. Macron did force many events shut, but it's not nearly enough.

The US may have more cases indeed, but that's something that perhaps you can help document instead of arguing semantics and defending incompetent politicians?
I only mentionned Belgium because another poster mentionned a British virologist saying things that he's gonna take back later, just as Van Ranst did.


Like Conte said, it's not the time for politics, he takes full political responsibility, but it's necessary to protect the children, the parents and the grandparents, especially the grandparents.

https://youtu.be/qtoF7wagkyY
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:45 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
Waterbomber2 wrote:
What Maggie de Block and Van Ranst did was totally irresponsible.
They should have isolated everyone coming back from Northern Italy to avoid what is going on in Belgium.


No other country in Europe did that.

Tiny Belgium is playing out to be a little disaster of its own right now. 169 cases for 11 million.


Which is perfectly in line with the numbers in our neighboring countries the Netherlands, France and Germany.

That prevalence would be the equivalent of 5000 cases in the USA or 25000 for a country like China.


The US has 19 deaths already, for 'only' 444 cases, and we're seeing left and right (here on a.net as well, see NYCVIE's post) that they're only testing people with severe symptoms. So if there's one country where the actual number of cases is ridiculously higher than is being reported, it's the US. They probably ARE way above 5000.

Van Ranst said this a month ago:



"The chance is real that there will be infections in our country. We are already making all precautionary measures. "But I will keep repeating it, there is no reason to panic."

https://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20200127_04822974

This is what he said the day before yesterday:



In times of Corona, Marc van Ranst is our compass. His voice is the voice that everyone listens to, including the government. The professor virology has mad us worried on purpose he says. "It was the only bullet in our gun. If you don't have a vaccine, you need to make people sensitive to the subject." That worked, according to him.

https://www.hln.be/de-krant/interview-w ... ~ae2ba60e/


You're just confirming what I wrote above, almost verbatim.

You're probably a troll for the Belgian government?
Tell your bosses that they messed up big time.


It's quite an insight into the world you live in when you think the Belgian government is paying people to troll a.net of all places. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such a comment...

Comments on HLN are highly moderated


LOL! No they're not. They're hardly moderated at all.


Indeed, no other country did it because Italy is the only country that is taking this seriously, so now Italy did it for them, they closed off 10 million of people so the other countries can start slowing this down.

For all we know, Belgium could have thousands of cases that are not being tested because they don't come from Northern Italy.

France, Germany, Netherlands are being as totally irresponsible as Belgium. Macron and Merkel are now facing 4-digit cases and doing very little. Macron did force many events shut, but it's not nearly enough.

The US may have more cases indeed, but that's something that perhaps you can help document instead of arguing semantics and defending incompetent politicians?
I only mentionned Belgium because another poster mentionned a British virologist saying things that he's gonna take back later, just as Van Ranst did.


Like Conte said, it's not the time for politics, he takes full political responsibility, but it's necessary to protect the children, the parents and the grandparents, especially the grandparents.

https://youtu.be/qtoF7wagkyY

How about we all lock ourselves in our basements until the Apocalyps is over?

You start.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:56 am

Looking at the lockdown map of Italy, it is obvious that they kept two corridors open for road transport.
One to/from France and one to/from Switzerland and Austria.

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https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_mar ... 6fc4.shtml
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:40 am

I was at an event yesterday evening with roughly 1000 people in Switzerland (events with more than 1000 participants are now forbidden and thus cancelled). Had to sign a sheet stating that I‘m not chronically ill and that I was aware of the risk posed by SARS-CoV-2.
Thinking that I disinfected my hands so much at work, in the train etc. etc. that they are about to fall off, it all feels really pointless now. Wasn‘t even planning on going there in the first place but ended up there anyway and was really surprised at just how many people there were. It was also pointless hanging up behavioural rules like keeping distance (2 meters) and washing and disinfecting your hands regularly at a night club....
If the authorities really wanted to contain this then night clubs would‘ve shut down as people will be a lot more careless than in a crowded restaurant or train. It really bugs me that people are freaking out about touching door knobs etc. but crowded places with sweaty, drunk and potentially unruly people are totally fine.
Personally, I‘m not freaking out about anything and the behavioural rules, especially about hand hygiene, are really just common sense that I‘m sure many people will unfortunately not give a damn about anymore once this thing is past its peak.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:35 am

John Hopkins CSSE Coronavirus Interactive Dashboard

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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:25 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Are open borders within Europe sustainable?
frmrCapCadet wrote:
Are open border between the states sustainable? LOL

Very funny, is each state a different country? last time I checked they weren't. Nice try at whataboutism.
I do believe you missed the point completely.
And no, it isn't whataboutism.

Would you have border controls between England and Scotland? (yes, some would, but that's another story unrelated to Coronavirus and more to do with the Emperor Hadrian)

There can be as many differences between England and Scotland, as there are between France and Belgium.
Sometimes more.
At least in the majority of Europe, the paper money you use is freely accepted across borders (the € Euro)
But try spending a Scottish £20 note any further south than Berwick-on-Tweed, and you will get funny stares from the locals, and a polite refusal.

The much vaunted UK National Health Service (NHS) exists both north and south of this border, but the delivery of services varies wildly between the two different countries. Much like say, Spain and Portugal.
Or Texas and Louisiana.

So, who is for closing down the borders between US states? Or at the very least, isolate Alaska and Hawaii, because that is the question you are asking.
Nothing to see here; move along please.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:25 pm

Scorpio wrote:
How about we all lock ourselves in our basements until the Apocalyps is over?
You start.


There’s a big issue with the response and perception of the virus that no one is really talking about but I think is worth mentioning.

All these measures have an effect on the economy. Quarantines, restrictions, cancellations of events, media induced panic. People stop spending money. Retail crumbles. People stop travelling. Transport and tourism suffers. People stop going out. Hospitality suffers. GDP shrinks. Cuts are made to government services. The public sector suffers. A recession happens. Everyone suffers. Badly.

Now you might say “well it’s painful but necessary for our health”. Poverty is a key factor in health. Poorer people = sicker populace. More unemployment = more stress. More stress related illness. More self harm. More unemployment, less wealth = more crime. People stop flying due to perceptions it is a disease magnet (it ain’t) and instead drive more which leads to greater death and injury from car accidents. GDP shrinks, budget cuts are made to public health and preventative health which will cause a rise in sickness and severity of sickness. People lead unhealthier lifestyles if money is an issue. Cardiovascular disease, diabetes both rise. They kill magnitudes more than COVID-19 has or really has the potential to.

Are we throwing the baby out with the bath water? It’s the responsibility of our leaders to ensure their populations that taking sensible precautions to protect us from the virus doesn’t involve the sinking of entire economies into recession. And the media must be held accountable for the sensationalist scaremongering that has contributed to this story.

My advice to everyone reading this. Take the precautions that your health authorities advise (Wash your hands, stay at home if sick etc) but keep to your normal activities and keep injecting cash into the economy like you usually do because that will keep more people alive and healthy at the end of the day.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:32 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
How about we all lock ourselves in our basements until the Apocalyps is over?
You start.


There’s a big issue with the response and perception of the virus that no one is really talking about but I think is worth mentioning.

All these measures have an effect on the economy. Quarantines, restrictions, media induced panic. People stop spending money. Retail crumbles. People stop travelling. Transport and tourism suffers. People stop going out. Hospitality suffers. GDP shrinks. Cuts are made to government services. The public sector suffers. A recession happens. Everyone suffers. Badly.

Now you might say “well it’s painful but necessary for our health”. Poverty is a key factor in health. Poorer people = sicker populace. More unemployment = more stress. More stress related illness. More self harm. More unemployment, less wealth = more crime. People stop flying due to perceptions it is a disease magnet (it ain’t) and instead drive more which leads to greater death and injury from car accidents. GDP shrinks, budget cuts are made to public health and preventative health which will cause a rise sickness and severity of sickness. People lead unhealthier lifestyles if money is an issue. Cardiovascular disease, diabetes both rise. They kill magnitudes more than COVID-19 has or really has the potential too.

Are we throwing the baby out with the bath water? It’s the responsibility of our leaders to ensure their populations that taking sensible precautions to protect us from the virus doesn’t involve the sinking of entire economies into recession. And the media must be held accountable for the sensationalist scaremongering that has contributed to this story.


Amen.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:29 pm

In the meantime;

Posted at 13:14
13:14
Trump blasts 'fake news' on his virus plans

AFP
Copyright: AFP
US President Donald Trump has insisted his administration has a "perfectly co-ordinated and fine tuned plan" to tackle the coronavirus.
The White House has faced criticism for its response to the outbreak and the government admitted on Thursday that it did not have enough testing kits at its disposal.
Mr Trump tweeted on Sunday: "We moved very early to close borders to certain areas, which was a Godsend. V.P is doing a great job."
Vice-President Mike Pence has been put in charge of the US response to the outbreak.
The president also took a swipe at the nation's media for its coverage of his administration's handling of the outbreak, tweeting: "The Fake News Media is doing everything possible to make us look bad. Sad!"
So far, 11 people in the US have died and there have been 164 cases across 19 states, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, which based its latest figures on data collected by 16:00 ET on Friday.
Other local US news outlets have been reporting more cases which are not yet listed in the official figures.

Source BBC website.

Move along folks, nothing to see ….
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:35 pm

sierrakilo44 wrote:
Scorpio wrote:
How about we all lock ourselves in our basements until the Apocalyps is over?
You start.


There’s a big issue with the response and perception of the virus that no one is really talking about but I think is worth mentioning.

All these measures have an effect on the economy. Quarantines, restrictions, cancellations of events, media induced panic. People stop spending money. Retail crumbles. People stop travelling. Transport and tourism suffers. People stop going out. Hospitality suffers. GDP shrinks. Cuts are made to government services. The public sector suffers. A recession happens. Everyone suffers. Badly.

Now you might say “well it’s painful but necessary for our health”. Poverty is a key factor in health. Poorer people = sicker populace. More unemployment = more stress. More stress related illness. More self harm. More unemployment, less wealth = more crime. People stop flying due to perceptions it is a disease magnet (it ain’t) and instead drive more which leads to greater death and injury from car accidents. GDP shrinks, budget cuts are made to public health and preventative health which will cause a rise in sickness and severity of sickness. People lead unhealthier lifestyles if money is an issue. Cardiovascular disease, diabetes both rise. They kill magnitudes more than COVID-19 has or really has the potential to.

Are we throwing the baby out with the bath water? It’s the responsibility of our leaders to ensure their populations that taking sensible precautions to protect us from the virus doesn’t involve the sinking of entire economies into recession. And the media must be held accountable for the sensationalist scaremongering that has contributed to this story.

My advice to everyone reading this. Take the precautions that your health authorities advise (Wash your hands, stay at home if sick etc) but keep to your normal activities and keep injecting cash into the economy like you usually do because that will keep more people alive and healthy at the end of the day.


I would advise the opposite and this is an opinion.
Conserve cash, have paper cash handy (disinfect your hands after touching it), worry about your health first and stay home.
Lock yourself in your basement if you feel better or there is risk of looting in your area.
This until world leaders realise that their approach is wrong.

The longer we try to protect our economy, the more damage this will cause.
If the whole world would confine itself for 6 weeks like people in Wuhan, we can isolate this and restart economic activity at full swing within 6 weeks.
6 weeks of global economic suspension is nothing compared to the damage reluctant leaders are doing now.
They are going to drag this agony on for months, tens of thousands if not more will die unnecessarily, and then they're going to realise that keeping everyone home for a relatively short amount of time is the only way to stop this.

During such a supposed 6 weeks global quarantine, people can start planning and book airline tickets for trips after the global quarantine. Because that's when it's going to end.
Most people can go 6 weeks with basic supplies they have at home.

If you are old/retired, get a stash of food and stay home for a while, avoid contact with younger family members who don't or can't take the same precautions because of the nature of their work.

The below Discovery Channel documentary trailer should be a good watch.
https://youtu.be/EolRIYZAjks
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:42 pm

Do you have 6 weeks supply of food in YOUR cupboard?.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:53 pm

Denial that this epidemic needs fairly drastic measure to prevent it quickly spreading is wrong. It endangers the lives of people, and creates the possibility of overwhelming our medical system. It is not alright be young mildly ill but carriers of this virus to willingly and happily spread it to populations which could die from contracting the disease. That may be an illustration of immoral selfishness.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:00 pm

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Do you have 6 weeks supply of food in YOUR cupboard?.


I don't think most people have that. Most people are not preppers.

But getting 6 weeks of emergency supply of food and medicine is probably a smart idea. And buy vitamins if you're going to live off emergency supply food for weeks.

Food items would have to be canned food like meat and fruit, dry foods like grain, oatmeal, rice, etc. Maybe some comfort food items like chocolate. As long as you have access to clean water you could last a long time with a fairly limited investment in food. I'm guessing €500 in food supply could last you 6 weeks if you buy the right food items.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:14 pm

I suppose "Darwin" is out of the window. Nobody cheering "Survival of the Fittest"?
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:24 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Do you have 6 weeks supply of food in YOUR cupboard?.


Modern food supply is mainly dependant on processing and refrigeration. Traditional food sources are dry grains, locally grown produce, dairy and meat with dehydrated alternatives. Later has a lot of flexibility but needs a lot of preperation. Depending on your food habits it is either a drastic change or relatively a-OK.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:53 pm

IMO, if everyone went out and bought 6 weeks supply of food, then the supermarkets would be stripped bare.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:53 pm

The U.S. dropped the ball in getting tests out quickly and making them widely available, does anybody know why this happened? Is that the job of CDC? or is it the job of the mfg that CDC hired ?

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