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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:40 am

Cadet985 wrote:
I’ve actually been trying to write a book for several years, but my brain gets sidetracked in the research that the topic of the book has completely changed several times, and it’s now on a topic I enjoy, but am in no way qualified to write a book about.



What do you write about?
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:41 am

I hear on the UK news that Trump says stocks will bounce back. If they do tomorrow the genius will without doubt tell us all how infallible his judgement is. Currently the Nikkei is down 9% at 0130 GMT. If the Dow drops tomorrow I look forward to Don admitting he got it all wrong. There is a first time for everything, isn't there? ;)
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:44 am

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
I’ve actually been trying to write a book for several years, but my brain gets sidetracked in the research that the topic of the book has completely changed several times, and it’s now on a topic I enjoy, but am in no way qualified to write a book about.



What do you write about?


Started out as a comprehensive history of aviation. Then turned into a military history of the United States. Somehow now, I’m reading a biography of Ulysses Grant and simultaneously, a book on the Civil War that came highly recommended, but I’ve found to be depressingly dry.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:40 am

Dutchy wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
If one isn’t sick, they shouldn’t be treated like a prisoner. There is NOTHING to do in my house, aside from sleep. And please explain how I’d be spreading pandemic if I’m not sick.

135,000 people WORLDWIDE get an illness. Of those 135,000, there are roughly 5,000 deaths. There are EIGHT BILLION people on the planet. Forgive me if 135,000/8,000,000,000 doesn’t concern me. 0.00001687% doesn’t scare me and shouldn’t scare anyone else.

All of my data is from https://ncov2019.live/, so it’s not numbers I’m making up.

Marc


Not to scare you, Marc, but it is 135.000 known people who have tested positive and thus are sick (otherwise they would not have been tested), we do not know how many people do have it but are under the radar (are a bit under the weather but that's it), probably a factor of 10 perhaps much more. Then there are the persons who are sick, but do not have the symptoms yet, but have the possibility to spread it.

At average, each person infects two others. That's where the hockey stick graph comes from, do you know the parable of the wise man and the king, the king said, you can have anything you want, name it. The wise man said, I want to begin with one grain and for each area of the chessboard, I want the number of grains doubled. The kind smiled at the beginning, at the end not so much........ Or let me put it in another way: if brood doubles in size each day and after 49 days the pond is half-filled with brood, how long does it take to fill the complete pond with brood?

And you might. be a younger person, so am I, so I will probably be a bit under the weather if I catch it, but if I spread it to my parents then most probably one of them will not survive the experience or at least have to be hospitalized. So it is not just your health you are playing with, but it is everyone's especially the more vulnerable in society..

So to recap:
1. you could be contagious, before you develop the symptoms (2-4 weeks incubation period);
2. you could catch the disease more easily outside than inside, the need is to contain it (China did this with extreme measures and it is getting less and less now);
3. and tuff luck if you get bored in your house, the society at large needs to have. preference above your inconvenience for a couple of days or weeks.


The same is true for the flu. Despite our best efforts, the flu spreads with impunity. The entire human race is exposed to it. That is part of the human condition.

COVID Is quite difficult and it has caused some deaths. It will cause many more. I bet at least 2 million globally. But people are still saying 1%. So that is 75 million deaths if all infected. I am hoping that’s not the case. If instead our drastic effort cuts deaths from 2 million to 1.8 million, it’s probably not worth shutting off the world economy for that. The remedy will kill more people than are saved. We should not fixate on statistics that are not representative of average people and misapply them hastily. Even scientists struggle with selection bias all the time, and make huge mistakes with that all the time. Reproducibility crisis. Caution is warranted before we blow up the world.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:53 am

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If one isn’t sick, they shouldn’t be treated like a prisoner. There is NOTHING to do in my house, aside from sleep. And please explain how I’d be spreading pandemic if I’m not sick.

Marc


No need to lock yourself up, just avoid large gatherings, . Public parks are the best places,ride a bike, enjoy outdoors while maintaining distance, even malls are almost empty. Just bolt if you hear a sneeze or cough.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:21 am

Michigan Governor announced K-12 school building closure to students until April 6, 2020.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:17 am

Cadet985 wrote:

Started out as a comprehensive history of aviation. Then turned into a military history of the United States. Somehow now, I’m reading a biography of Ulysses Grant and simultaneously, a book on the Civil War that came highly recommended, but I’ve found to be depressingly dry.


Interesting. Apart from a few Yelp! style reviews of Tinder dates, I have never written a Non-Fiction before.

I feel like that would be fairly difficult, given the restrictions on subject matter. Would you ever consider doing an alternate history fiction dressed up as a Non-Fic? Along the lines of what would the world look like if in the mid-1970s France was actually the first nation to develop nukes because the US never fought the Spanish-American War?

I am just throwing things out there. But I like imagining the permutations of things down-line had certain events worked out differently.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:19 am

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I have no games to play; FSX stopped working on my laptop (which is eight years old). Since Netflix took “Friends” off, I haven’t found much to watch; “Star Trek” and “That 70’s Show” are only good so many times. I’ve actually been trying to write a book for several years, but my brain gets sidetracked in the research that the topic of the book has completely changed several times, and it’s now on a topic I enjoy, but am in no way qualified to write a book about. Learning languages is a nightmare. I barely passed Spanish in HS, and passed by the skin of my teeth in college because I cannot conjugate to save my life. I can speak it okay, but can’t conjugate verbs. I have several hundred books on my Kindle, but I lose interest quickly, thanks to ADD.

You’re all jumping on me for my post. You try being trapped in a house because you have nowhere to go, and you spend your days filling out job applications until the text goes blurry. You basically have no friends because you’re on the Autism Spectrum, and the friends you do have all have families that come first (and I understand that). Imagine that your only saving grace is Ubering to the cigar lounge a couple times a week...and who knows how long they’ll stay open?

You shouldn’t judge a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes. For every doctor who says we should panic, there’s another saying we shouldn’t. Just today, I had to get a test done to see if some pain I’m dealing with is nerve damage. The doctor who administered the test even said they’re blowing COVID-19 out of proportion. This is what many of the doctors I know are saying.

If you have friends or family you can be with, you’re lucky. I have my father, and lately we’re not getting along.

Again, before you judge, see why a person feels the way they do.

Marc


Actually we're in the same boat. I don't have that many friends (I suspect that I may have Asperger's). Netflix is a bore, and I've read the books on my iPad more than once. The only difference is that I still can play FSX.

I've self-imposed isolation before (not due to the COVID19 issue), and honestly it wasn't that big of a deal for me.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:42 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-12/brazil-communications-secretary-who-met-trump-tests-positive-for-coronavirus-estado-de-spaulo

Trump had close contact with an infected person in a time period when they were likely infectious. Kind of a big deal, there were already comments that he appeared to be holding back coughs last night.

Keep any commentary coronavirus/impacts related. When bad things happen to a politician there's always someone who makes some kind of ugly partisan fueled comment. If anyone feels the need to do that, make a separate thread about it so we can keep things less ugly and partisan in here. Mods, please allow this. If Trump actually got infected people will want to discuss it.


If (a big IF) Trump really caught the virus, I wonder who will get blame. The Dems for intentionally making him sick?

Mean while, up in the Great White North:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid1 ... -1.5495001

Trudeau and his wife are in self-isolation as his wife is showing symptoms similar to nCoV after a trip to UK (Oh...UK is excluded from the travel restriction BTW).


Brazil. Honestly, he likes to make a point of solving every problem by keeping foreigners out so this is an easy one when placing blame.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:18 am

Cadet985 wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
If one isn’t sick, they shouldn’t be treated like a prisoner. There is NOTHING to do in my house, aside from sleep. And please explain how I’d be spreading pandemic if I’m not sick.


Plenty of things one could do in one's house that's entertaining. Play a game, go on Netflix, go on the Internet and learn a new language, write a book, that sort of thing. Have you tried doing those?

But the fact remains, in order to kill the virus one needs to contain the spread. And to do that, one needs to practice self isolation.


I have no games to play; FSX stopped working on my laptop (which is eight years old). Since Netflix took “Friends” off, I haven’t found much to watch; “Star Trek” and “That 70’s Show” are only good so many times. I’ve actually been trying to write a book for several years, but my brain gets sidetracked in the research that the topic of the book has completely changed several times, and it’s now on a topic I enjoy, but am in no way qualified to write a book about. Learning languages is a nightmare. I barely passed Spanish in HS, and passed by the skin of my teeth in college because I cannot conjugate to save my life. I can speak it okay, but can’t conjugate verbs. I have several hundred books on my Kindle, but I lose interest quickly, thanks to ADD.

You’re all jumping on me for my post. You try being trapped in a house because you have nowhere to go, and you spend your days filling out job applications until the text goes blurry. You basically have no friends because you’re on the Autism Spectrum, and the friends you do have all have families that come first (and I understand that). Imagine that your only saving grace is Ubering to the cigar lounge a couple times a week...and who knows how long they’ll stay open?

You shouldn’t judge a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes. For every doctor who says we should panic, there’s another saying we shouldn’t. Just today, I had to get a test done to see if some pain I’m dealing with is nerve damage. The doctor who administered the test even said they’re blowing COVID-19 out of proportion. This is what many of the doctors I know are saying.

If you have friends or family you can be with, you’re lucky. I have my father, and lately we’re not getting along.

Again, before you judge, see why a person feels the way they do.

Marc


Dude write that book. life to short. There are many masterpieces out there, wrote by ordinary folks who also thought they weren't qualified.

Also being on the spectrum, is not the end of the world. People who have to try harder than other people, come out of it with a good work ethic. Use that good work ethic to write that book.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 5:50 am

Video of a mad rush for toilet paper at a Costco somewhere in Canada:

https://twitter.com/ShivAroor/status/12 ... 37088?s=20

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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:02 am

Cadet985 wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
If one isn’t sick, they shouldn’t be treated like a prisoner. There is NOTHING to do in my house, aside from sleep. And please explain how I’d be spreading pandemic if I’m not sick.


Plenty of things one could do in one's house that's entertaining. Play a game, go on Netflix, go on the Internet and learn a new language, write a book, that sort of thing. Have you tried doing those?

But the fact remains, in order to kill the virus one needs to contain the spread. And to do that, one needs to practice self isolation.


I have no games to play; FSX stopped working on my laptop (which is eight years old). Since Netflix took “Friends” off, I haven’t found much to watch; “Star Trek” and “That 70’s Show” are only good so many times. I’ve actually been trying to write a book for several years, but my brain gets sidetracked in the research that the topic of the book has completely changed several times, and it’s now on a topic I enjoy, but am in no way qualified to write a book about. Learning languages is a nightmare. I barely passed Spanish in HS, and passed by the skin of my teeth in college because I cannot conjugate to save my life. I can speak it okay, but can’t conjugate verbs. I have several hundred books on my Kindle, but I lose interest quickly, thanks to ADD.

You’re all jumping on me for my post. You try being trapped in a house because you have nowhere to go, and you spend your days filling out job applications until the text goes blurry. You basically have no friends because you’re on the Autism Spectrum, and the friends you do have all have families that come first (and I understand that). Imagine that your only saving grace is Ubering to the cigar lounge a couple times a week...and who knows how long they’ll stay open?

You shouldn’t judge a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes. For every doctor who says we should panic, there’s another saying we shouldn’t. Just today, I had to get a test done to see if some pain I’m dealing with is nerve damage. The doctor who administered the test even said they’re blowing COVID-19 out of proportion. This is what many of the doctors I know are saying.

If you have friends or family you can be with, you’re lucky. I have my father, and lately we’re not getting along.

Again, before you judge, see why a person feels the way they do.

Marc


Be adventurous, there are hundreds of series on Netflix you could watch, months worth of watching.

If you’re going to be spending time at home you have plants of time to resolve your problems with your dad.

Unless those many doctors you know are specialists in viruses I wouldn’t listen to them.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:04 am

Cadet985 wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
If one isn’t sick, they shouldn’t be treated like a prisoner. There is NOTHING to do in my house, aside from sleep. And please explain how I’d be spreading pandemic if I’m not sick.


Plenty of things one could do in one's house that's entertaining. Play a game, go on Netflix, go on the Internet and learn a new language, write a book, that sort of thing. Have you tried doing those?

But the fact remains, in order to kill the virus one needs to contain the spread. And to do that, one needs to practice self isolation.


I have no games to play; FSX stopped working on my laptop (which is eight years old). Since Netflix took “Friends” off, I haven’t found much to watch; “Star Trek” and “That 70’s Show” are only good so many times. I’ve actually been trying to write a book for several years, but my brain gets sidetracked in the research that the topic of the book has completely changed several times, and it’s now on a topic I enjoy, but am in no way qualified to write a book about. Learning languages is a nightmare. I barely passed Spanish in HS, and passed by the skin of my teeth in college because I cannot conjugate to save my life. I can speak it okay, but can’t conjugate verbs. I have several hundred books on my Kindle, but I lose interest quickly, thanks to ADD.

You’re all jumping on me for my post. You try being trapped in a house because you have nowhere to go, and you spend your days filling out job applications until the text goes blurry. You basically have no friends because you’re on the Autism Spectrum, and the friends you do have all have families that come first (and I understand that). Imagine that your only saving grace is Ubering to the cigar lounge a couple times a week...and who knows how long they’ll stay open?

You shouldn’t judge a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes. For every doctor who says we should panic, there’s another saying we shouldn’t. Just today, I had to get a test done to see if some pain I’m dealing with is nerve damage. The doctor who administered the test even said they’re blowing COVID-19 out of proportion. This is what many of the doctors I know are saying.

If you have friends or family you can be with, you’re lucky. I have my father, and lately we’re not getting along.

Again, before you judge, see why a person feels the way they do.

Marc


Be adventurous, there are hundreds of series on Netflix you could watch, months worth of watching.

If you’re going to be spending time at home you have plants of time to resolve your problems with your dad.

Unless those many doctors you know are specialists in viruses I wouldn’t listen to them.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:54 am

I am from Hong Kong and my advice is, a near complete lockdonw would only last 2-3 weeks and things will start getting back on track soon. Practice social distancing and you keep the number of cases at a level the healthcare system can manage and life will start going back to normal.
South Korea is the beacon for hope, they are testing everyone and I believe that what they are presenting are some reliable figures. After social distancing is put in place the number of new cases has dropped off to around 100 a day that their system is now able to manage. I think they will be out of the woods soon. Just hang in there, take all social distancing measures and it will improve in 2-3 weeks. Advice from Hong Kong: put on a mask if you go out, if you still can get hold to one.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:14 am

Well folks, that's what we've been saying here for weeks with Lightsaber and others.
Stashing basic food and supplies was not a panic move, just good sense and preparation to avoid finding ourselves in a situation where we would be unprepared and in panic. Guess what the "don't panic" crowd are doing now? They are panicking.

We have isolated the elderlies in my family, stashed enough food, respirators, desinfectant, that we won't need to stay in line and risk getting infected, but even if we have to, we are ready with full face masks and hazmat suits.
Hey, people laughed at me wearing a N95 mask on a subway just 10 days ago. Well, they won't be laughing now, and there isn't a mask to be found in a 300 mile radius.
Guess who is laughing now? Well, I'm not laughing either but calm and in control.
Yesterday I tried wearing goggles and the respirator in the supermarket, some guys started taking pictures.
One of them was coughing.
The supermarket was packed.

Preparation and planning are the best tools against panic. Saying "don't panic" was not a plan, it was stupidity, especially when there was enough evidence from what we saw happen in China.

I think that Japan and France will be the next ones to get in trouble.
Japan is already in trouble but some people are still talking about the Olympics... The stupidity is beyond words. Don't the bilion dollar conglomerate that is the Olympic Committe have a risk assessment team?

France is closing schools but that is too little too late. Even Belgium that was very conservative at first is taking much heavier steps.
France will undoubtly follow in Italy's footsteps as Macron's pro-industrial stance will come back to bite him and his elite friends in the rear.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:44 am

Cadet985 wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
If one isn’t sick, they shouldn’t be treated like a prisoner. There is NOTHING to do in my house, aside from sleep. And please explain how I’d be spreading pandemic if I’m not sick.


Plenty of things one could do in one's house that's entertaining. Play a game, go on Netflix, go on the Internet and learn a new language, write a book, that sort of thing. Have you tried doing those?

But the fact remains, in order to kill the virus one needs to contain the spread. And to do that, one needs to practice self isolation.


I have no games to play; FSX stopped working on my laptop (which is eight years old). Since Netflix took “Friends” off, I haven’t found much to watch; “Star Trek” and “That 70’s Show” are only good so many times. I’ve actually been trying to write a book for several years, but my brain gets sidetracked in the research that the topic of the book has completely changed several times, and it’s now on a topic I enjoy, but am in no way qualified to write a book about. Learning languages is a nightmare. I barely passed Spanish in HS, and passed by the skin of my teeth in college because I cannot conjugate to save my life. I can speak it okay, but can’t conjugate verbs. I have several hundred books on my Kindle, but I lose interest quickly, thanks to ADD.

You’re all jumping on me for my post. You try being trapped in a house because you have nowhere to go, and you spend your days filling out job applications until the text goes blurry. You basically have no friends because you’re on the Autism Spectrum, and the friends you do have all have families that come first (and I understand that). Imagine that your only saving grace is Ubering to the cigar lounge a couple times a week...and who knows how long they’ll stay open?

You shouldn’t judge a man until you’ve walked a mile in his shoes. For every doctor who says we should panic, there’s another saying we shouldn’t. Just today, I had to get a test done to see if some pain I’m dealing with is nerve damage. The doctor who administered the test even said they’re blowing COVID-19 out of proportion. This is what many of the doctors I know are saying.

If you have friends or family you can be with, you’re lucky. I have my father, and lately we’re not getting along.

Again, before you judge, see why a person feels the way they do.

Marc


Chin up. If I were somewhere nearby I'd help you out however I could. :thumbsup:
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:48 am

I'm currently parked in the parking lot of a Lidl supermarket in Western Europe.
The supermarket opened at 08:30am and there were about 50 people packed together at the entrance when the store opened.
Soon after the store opened, the crowd became larger and I went there to ask them if they were all freaking idiots to be packed together like that despite all the open space available by the entrance. I shouted are you trying to get sick?

People are not prepared for this and are not following social distancing guidelines.

The parking lot with a capacity of 150 cars is packed and cars are double parked and it's only 08:47am.
People are hoarding food and supplies.

I was planning to reinforce my food stock, but I'm not going in there, it's too packed. I have enough to last me 6 months to a year, so heading home.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:49 am

Australia's Foreign Affairs Minister Peter Dutton has tested positive to the virus today. He recently returned from the US. This could mean that more top Australian political leaders have been exposed.

My personal opinion is that the US and possibly here In Australia are facing possible large numbers of infections. Based on latest information I think China would be safer.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 7:58 am

Cadet985 wrote:
If one isn’t sick, they shouldn’t be treated like a prisoner. There is NOTHING to do in my house, aside from sleep. And please explain how I’d be spreading pandemic if I’m not sick.

135,000 people WORLDWIDE get an illness. Of those 135,000, there are roughly 5,000 deaths. There are EIGHT BILLION people on the planet. Forgive me if 135,000/8,000,000,000 doesn’t concern me. 0.00001687% doesn’t scare me and shouldn’t scare anyone else.

All of my data is from https://ncov2019.live/, so it’s not numbers I’m making up.

Marc


A French NBA basketball player was also taking things lightly a couple days ago. Now the NBA is shut down because he is infected...
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:01 am

art wrote:
I see that China reports 3 new cases today. Unless there has been some kind of edict from the party forbidding testing or the party is falsifying figures, how is that possible?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

PS With 4000+ seriously/critically ill no deaths were reported today


All official figures will be on the low side, simply because they are not testing everyone. There will be many thousands of unreported infections and probably plenty of deaths (especially in remote places) that go unreported.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:28 am

scbriml wrote:
art wrote:
I see that China reports 3 new cases today. Unless there has been some kind of edict from the party forbidding testing or the party is falsifying figures, how is that possible?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

PS With 4000+ seriously/critically ill no deaths were reported today


All official figures will be on the low side, simply because they are not testing everyone. There will be many thousands of unreported infections and probably plenty of deaths (especially in remote places) that go unreported.


I’m curious as to if it is possible to interpret their numbers regardless of their lack of accuracy? What I’m wondering is if their is consistency to them, even in their state. Whether or not they are accurate, can they be scaled in a way that some useful information can be found there? I assume not, but was still curious.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:32 am

Any leading theories yet why children tend to only get mild symptoms/recover quickly from Covid? Influenza A and other respiratory viruses tend to hit hardest the very young and very old (along with those who have serious chronic illneses of course), whereas Covid only seems to hit the elderly the hardest and those with serious underlying conditions.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:39 am

SL1200MK2 wrote:
scbriml wrote:
art wrote:
I see that China reports 3 new cases today. Unless there has been some kind of edict from the party forbidding testing or the party is falsifying figures, how is that possible?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

PS With 4000+ seriously/critically ill no deaths were reported today


All official figures will be on the low side, simply because they are not testing everyone. There will be many thousands of unreported infections and probably plenty of deaths (especially in remote places) that go unreported.


I’m curious as to if it is possible to interpret their numbers regardless of their lack of accuracy? What I’m wondering is if their is consistency to them, even in their state. Whether or not they are accurate, can they be scaled in a way that some useful information can be found there? I assume not, but was still curious.


In the main hot spot for the virus people aren't allowed to go outside for any reason, so the virus can't be transmitted anymore, I don't see a reason to doubt the numbers there.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:46 am

It is friday morning, a normal workday. Yet, everything is dead quiet outside, like a sunday morning, and we treat it as such for the time being. Schools hasn’t started the online classes yet. Being told to keep a home office, for the time being that office is in bed together with the 6-month old.

My industry is taking an absolutely devastating hit. Maybe the most of all industries, and times ahead will be exiting, and not in a good way for a lot of my collegues. I am, for complicated reqsons, a lot more secure in my job, and don’t worry too much about my personal finances in this situation.

But it is severe, society has come to a complete stop. People are going to struggle with finances and isolation and a lot will get sick too. This is no joke folks, and the US must watch out. You are days away from people starting dying in a big way, and extreme measures being taken to contain.

In european countries with a solid safety net, this will work out, but I am worried the US could go totally mad max. They have no safety net, people are going to get really scared, and they have guns. I wish my american friends the best of luck! Stay safe!
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:49 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
I'm currently parked in the parking lot of a Lidl supermarket in Western Europe.
The supermarket opened at 08:30am and there were about 50 people packed together at the entrance when the store opened.
Soon after the store opened, the crowd became larger and I went there to ask them if they were all freaking idiots to be packed together like that despite all the open space available by the entrance. I shouted are you trying to get sick?

People are not prepared for this and are not following social distancing guidelines.

The parking lot with a capacity of 150 cars is packed and cars are double parked and it's only 08:47am.
People are hoarding food and supplies.

I was planning to reinforce my food stock, but I'm not going in there, it's too packed. I have enough to last me 6 months to a year, so heading home.


Bizzare,
I live in Germany. Went shopping last night after work around 6.30. Place was quiet. People just buying normal weekly shop. Toilet paper supplies were low but there was still enough there. Disinfectant had gone, but they'll get more deliveries soon.

Nobody panicking, nothing crazy. Considering German's get signed off work for the slightest sniffle and some companies demand you go to a doctor the first day you feel unwell (no self certification for 2 days), it's rather strange to see them being relatively sensible about this.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:06 am

The Theme Parks in Florida are shutting, a bit late I think.
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:12 am

Using toilet paper is disgusting. How on earth does smearing shit around your butthole constitute cleaning yourself? For the love of God, just go and use a bidet/shower and clean yourself that way. Way more hygienic, and doesn't require you to look like a twat running around the grocery store like you're a contestant on Supermarket Sweep.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:24 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
CitizenJustin wrote:
Cadet985 wrote:
I think right now is a bunch of overreacting. With the sports leagues canceling/postponing, gatherings being curtailed, there’s nothing to do. They’re basically telling us we have to remain home — which is not an option for me since I hate being in my house.

When you look at the global population vs the number of cases, the number is beyond minuscule...a very small fraction of a percent.

More people in NYC have a cold or the flu right now than have coronavirus worldwide.

I’m not scared or concerned, and I sure as hell am not putting my life and enjoyment on hold.

Marc



You’re exactly the type of person spreading the damn virus. With thousands dead and experts saying they expect a major outbreak within weeks, I’d say you’re being a bit irresponsible here.


Ah let it be.
Cadet985 can let us know what it is like to have Covid19 and being on a hospital bed barely able to breathe.



You’re right. I need to start telling myself to just “let it be, let it be”.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:26 am

bgm wrote:
Using toilet paper is disgusting. How on earth does smearing shit around your butthole constitute cleaning yourself? For the love of God, just go and use a bidet/shower and clean yourself that way. Way more hygienic, and doesn't require you to look like a twat running around the grocery store like you're a contestant on Supermarket Sweep.


A listener to UK radio rang the radio station to say he went to the supermarket just before it opened to get some shopping this morning. He said there were 500 people at the entrance doors. Once the doors were opened there was a mad rush to the toilet paper shelves - but no toilet paper! Is this a dastardly tactic by supermarket managers to prevent panic buyers bringing chaos to their stores? :smile:
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hkg82 wrote:
Any leading theories yet why children tend to only get mild symptoms/recover quickly from Covid? Influenza A and other respiratory viruses tend to hit hardest the very young and very old (along with those who have serious chronic illneses of course), whereas Covid only seems to hit the elderly the hardest and those with serious underlying conditions.


It is very interesting. From figures I've seen (but can't find just now), it seems teens are just about immune to the effects of Covid-19.
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:27 am

readytotaxi wrote:
The Theme Parks in Florida are shutting, a bit late I think.


Interesting to note that Disney World has only closed twice in its entire history. Once following the assassination of JFK and the day after 9/11.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:29 am

bgm wrote:
Using toilet paper is disgusting. How on earth does smearing shit around your butthole constitute cleaning yourself? For the love of God, just go and use a bidet/shower and clean yourself that way. Way more hygienic, and doesn't require you to look like a twat running around the grocery store like you're a contestant on Supermarket Sweep.



Baby wipes suffice. I do find toilet paper to be useless.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:31 am

Reinhardt wrote:
Waterbomber2 wrote:
I'm currently parked in the parking lot of a Lidl supermarket in Western Europe.
The supermarket opened at 08:30am and there were about 50 people packed together at the entrance when the store opened.
Soon after the store opened, the crowd became larger and I went there to ask them if they were all freaking idiots to be packed together like that despite all the open space available by the entrance. I shouted are you trying to get sick?

People are not prepared for this and are not following social distancing guidelines.

The parking lot with a capacity of 150 cars is packed and cars are double parked and it's only 08:47am.
People are hoarding food and supplies.

I was planning to reinforce my food stock, but I'm not going in there, it's too packed. I have enough to last me 6 months to a year, so heading home.


Bizzare,

I live in Germany. Went shopping last night after work around 6.30. Place was quiet. People just buying normal weekly shop. Toilet paper supplies were low but there was still enough there. Disinfectant had gone, but they'll get more deliveries soon.

Nobody panicking, nothing crazy. Considering German's get signed off work for the slightest sniffle and some companies demand you go to a doctor the first day you feel unwell (no self certification for 2 days), it's rather strange to see them being relatively sensible about this.



Interesting contrast from where I live. Many shelves at grocery stores and even Walmart are barren.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:45 am

art wrote:
A listener to UK radio rang the radio station to say he went to the supermarket just before it opened to get some shopping this morning. He said there were 500 people at the entrance doors. Once the doors were opened there was a mad rush to the toilet paper shelves - but no toilet paper! Is this a dastardly tactic by supermarket managers to prevent panic buyers bringing chaos to their stores?


It is a very rare item in Australia too. I hadn’t thought about that angle. I ordered my shopping, and it seems that no one has caught on about using baby wipes or water wipes yet. No shortage on them. Only the local councils will get mad because they block up the sewers. With regard to the tactic, there should be no reason a locally made product that is so basic and plentiful can not be readily restocked.. I’ve not worked in the manufacturing or retail industry, in this area, but yes, there could well be more going on here..
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:02 am

VapourTrails wrote:
art wrote:
A listener to UK radio rang the radio station to say he went to the supermarket just before it opened to get some shopping this morning. He said there were 500 people at the entrance doors. Once the doors were opened there was a mad rush to the toilet paper shelves - but no toilet paper! Is this a dastardly tactic by supermarket managers to prevent panic buyers bringing chaos to their stores?


It is a very rare item in Australia too. I hadn’t thought about that angle. I ordered my shopping, and it seems that no one has caught on about using baby wipes or water wipes yet. No shortage on them. Only the local councils will get mad because they block up the sewers. With regard to the tactic, there should be no reason a locally made product that is so basic and plentiful can not be readily restocked.. I’ve not worked in the manufacturing or retail industry, in this area, but yes, there could well be more going on here..


This is some weird viral psychological thing. World saw Hong Kong fighting over TP, thought to must be the thing to have, people get in fights over tp in australia, Americans see this and are like SHIT this is the coronavirus item to have!

All because HK was worried about China switching production lines away from tp and to mask manufacturing. THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE IN THE US GUYS!
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:07 am

[quote="VapourTrails"][/quote]

People here in Melbourne caught onto baby wipes early on in the piece. Was at my local Woolworths tonight, almost out of pasta, no toliet paper or baby wipes, and no beef mince!

The shelves were starting to look like something out of late 80's Soviet Union....

Things are getting worse here, with the cancellation of the F1 GP, and there will be a ban on gatherings of more than 500 people from Monday. The AFL season will start next week being played in empty stadiums. Some large corporates have started telling staff to work from home. One of the big 4 banks has their Melbourne office in the building next to my office. Their staff were sent a text message last night to tell them to work from home until further notice. The people who own the food outlets in the downstairs food court are very worried about their future......
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:07 am

The corona virus is spreading in the USA. 400 new cases yesterday the 12.03.2020.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html

Testing for corona virus is still limited so I assume hundreds or thousands of untested infected persons.
41 dead people point to a higher number of infected persons than 1,660. With a death rate of 1 % there should be at least 4,000.

If you compare that with Germany, one of the dangerous countries in regards to the travel ban, 3,000 infected persons, 6 death and 19 released after treatment.

Here in Iceland we have 118 infected persons, 995 in quarantine, 1,188 persons tested, 65 tests per day up to now. No death from corona virus, but several of the sick patients do need time in the ICU.
Today a new test center opens, run by a private laboratory, offering mass testing 300 to 400 tests a day (mass testing in regards to the size of Iceland with 350,000 inhabitants).
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:38 am

CitizenJustin wrote:
Reinhardt wrote:
Waterbomber2 wrote:
I'm currently parked in the parking lot of a Lidl supermarket in Western Europe.
The supermarket opened at 08:30am and there were about 50 people packed together at the entrance when the store opened.
Soon after the store opened, the crowd became larger and I went there to ask them if they were all freaking idiots to be packed together like that despite all the open space available by the entrance. I shouted are you trying to get sick?

People are not prepared for this and are not following social distancing guidelines.

The parking lot with a capacity of 150 cars is packed and cars are double parked and it's only 08:47am.
People are hoarding food and supplies.

I was planning to reinforce my food stock, but I'm not going in there, it's too packed. I have enough to last me 6 months to a year, so heading home.


Bizzare,

I live in Germany. Went shopping last night after work around 6.30. Place was quiet. People just buying normal weekly shop. Toilet paper supplies were low but there was still enough there. Disinfectant had gone, but they'll get more deliveries soon.

Nobody panicking, nothing crazy. Considering German's get signed off work for the slightest sniffle and some companies demand you go to a doctor the first day you feel unwell (no self certification for 2 days), it's rather strange to see them being relatively sensible about this.



Interesting contrast from where I live. Many shelves at grocery stores and even Walmart are barren.


You cannot buy toilet paper in Australia, not at all, not possible where I am. Shelves are empty and people fight over whatever is there.

No boxes of tissues either, lots of shelves are empty. No pasta to be found, that is gone as well.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:53 am

mjoelnir wrote:
Here in Iceland we have 118 infected persons, 995 in quarantine, 1,188 persons tested, 65 tests per day up to now. No death from corona virus, but several of the sick patients do need time in the ICU.
Today a new test center opens, run by a private laboratory, offering mass testing 300 to 400 tests a day (mass testing in regards to the size of Iceland with 350,000 inhabitants).


Here in UK we have about 600 cases reported. However I have heard a number of people with symptoms say that they were promised a test up to 14 days ago without it happening. Some of them have a compelling reason to think they might have COVID-19 - they were in close contact with a confirmed case. It sounds like Iceland is organised. The UK is not, probably like a number of other countries.

Again, I think we need to try to isolate the vulnerable who are not yet infected, rather than the people who are. By good fortune the age groups most vulnerable are composed of people who are the least likely to be economically active, so isolating people over 65 (rough age of retirement here) is far less economically damaging than isolating 20-65 year olds because they might be infected.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:11 pm

hkg82 wrote:
Any leading theories yet why children tend to only get mild symptoms/recover quickly from Covid? Influenza A and other respiratory viruses tend to hit hardest the very young and very old (along with those who have serious chronic illneses of course), whereas Covid only seems to hit the elderly the hardest and those with serious underlying conditions.


In reply 28 of the coronavirus vaccine thread, DocLightning commented the following:

Yet this disease is complex. For those who become very ill, the disease itself is not a direct result of the virus, but rather a massive and misdirected immune response that does nothing to fight the virus, but causes horrible tissue damage and severe alterations in other systems (blood pressure, glucose control). We are only beginning to understand the risk factors that predispose some people to this outcome, so for patients who have become very ill, antiviral treatment must be initiated early or it appears to not help.

Hypertension, metabolic/glucose regulation issues, and generalized inefficient immune response are hallmarks of being elderly. From Doc's comment above, it would stand to reason that this grouping of risk factors partially explains the virulence of the disease in that age group.
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:11 pm

It is easy to work from home...IF THERE ACTUALLY IS POWER! Guess what, there is a power outage AGAIN in Metro Boston.
It happens so often every year, I start to think I live in a third world country.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:39 pm

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It is easy to work from home...IF THERE ACTUALLY IS POWER! Guess what, there is a power outage AGAIN in Metro Boston.
It happens so often every year, I start to think I live in a third world country.


It’s something we are considering too. I’ve worked from home before but rarely. I have full access to everything, it my internet is unreliable right now. :banghead:
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:39 pm

Waterbomber2 wrote:
I'm currently parked in the parking lot of a Lidl supermarket in Western Europe.
The supermarket opened at 08:30am and there were about 50 people packed together at the entrance when the store opened.
Soon after the store opened, the crowd became larger and I went there to ask them if they were all freaking idiots to be packed together like that despite all the open space available by the entrance. I shouted are you trying to get sick?

People are not prepared for this and are not following social distancing guidelines.

The parking lot with a capacity of 150 cars is packed and cars are double parked and it's only 08:47am.
People are hoarding food and supplies.

I was planning to reinforce my food stock, but I'm not going in there, it's too packed. I have enough to last me 6 months to a year, so heading home.


Went to the store last night for some milk at 10:00. It looked like a war zone. Shelves damn near empty. No bread, milk was just being replenished so good there, anything canned or boxed was toast. One register open, half a dozen people in line. One guy had an entire cart filled to the top with canned foods. I looked at him and said “other people may need to eat too.” He was completely losing it. People need to calm the eff down.
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:01 pm

Jouhou wrote:
This is some weird viral psychological thing. World saw Hong Kong fighting over TP, thought to must be the thing to have, people get in fights over tp in australia, Americans see this and are like SHIT this is the coronavirus item to have!

All because HK was worried about China switching production lines away from tp and to mask manufacturing. THIS IS NOT AN ISSUE IN THE US GUYS!


Guess Hong Kong is still "Asia's World City" after all :duck:

More seriously, I seriously do NOT understand the Toilet Paper madness. Nor Bottle Water (Seriously, just get a water filter...this is not a hurricane where water supplies can be contaminated and disrupted).

CitizenJustin wrote:
Interesting contrast from where I live. Many shelves at grocery stores and even Walmart are barren.


Haven't check the grocery stores near me yet...hopefully there are still something left (I got enough food to survived for at least a week if not two).

Waterbomber2 wrote:
Stashing basic food and supplies was not a panic move, just good sense and preparation to avoid finding ourselves in a situation where we would be unprepared and in panic. Guess what the "don't panic" crowd are doing now? They are panicking.


Making things worse - people literally panic as if it's the end of the world.

I don't blame people for taking precaution and be prepared (like you are). I blame people when they hoard all the supplies beforehand and make a mad rush for everything, only to rush for the wrong thing.

All I'll say is that even in Wuhan, grocery stores were able to stayed open with necessities being able to flow in and out during the worst of outbreak.

yonahleung wrote:
I am from Hong Kong and my advice is, a near complete lockdonw would only last 2-3 weeks and things will start getting back on track soon. Practice social distancing and you keep the number of cases at a level the healthcare system can manage and life will start going back to normal.
South Korea is the beacon for hope, they are testing everyone and I believe that what they are presenting are some reliable figures. After social distancing is put in place the number of new cases has dropped off to around 100 a day that their system is now able to manage. I think they will be out of the woods soon. Just hang in there, take all social distancing measures and it will improve in 2-3 weeks. Advice from Hong Kong: put on a mask if you go out, if you still can get hold to one.


Sigh...too bad there's always those people that think "this is just a flu" and don't dare to disrupt whatever things they want to do at least here in US since it's takes away their "liberty and freedom" (Not my word...but trust me, I've heard that so many times already).

Americans are NOT prepared for the worst, period. Too many people still downplay this.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:05 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
It is easy to work from home...IF THERE ACTUALLY IS POWER! Guess what, there is a power outage AGAIN in Metro Boston.
It happens so often every year, I start to think I live in a third world country.


But you're still able to post here :bigthumbsup:
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:28 pm

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AirWorthy99 wrote:
Etika wrote:
This action might buy time if it were combined with aggressive action to identify, contain, and isolate existing outbreaks. However, with internal response being lackluster, it is not going to help one bit. In fact, the pattern of cases suggests that there might already being a lot of internal community transmission occuring. Thus, the number of cases prevented will in all likelyhood be neglible compared to domestic cases.

This action might have helped two weeks ago. Now it is too late for it to have any kind of effect and it will draw attention and resources from the actions that would be needed for the current situation. Basically, the US government response is heading down the Italian path: early failures to identify the true scope of situation means that actions are constantly implemented too late for them to have any effect anymore.


Can't understand how the US actions are down to the "Italian path". This virus originated in China, at the same time we were getting imported cases from China, but at a lower rate than Europe in fact. If there is info you might find that in the US there were cases popping out even before the first case in Italy.

Italy or the EU did not enforce any sort of restrictions when Trump announced theirs... The EU with its open borders got this in an instant because of Italy, not China, not the US.

There are 12K cases in Italy alone, if anything you can say that the US has done a far better job considering we have 10% of that, and our population is over 300 million.


CDC and NIH testimony yesterday indicated we don't know what we have. The numbers are meaningless currently because of the backlog and slow rollout of testing. That's how science works - you don't assume - ever - and don't make projections until a wealth of data is available.

Thats how bureaucracy works. Capacity is there - but it is not certified for diagnostics in general, or diagnostics of this virus in particular, or technician is 2 weeks past due on sexual harassment training and cannot handle confidential data...
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:36 pm

Closing schools - a good idea?

I wonder if closing schools is actually likely to exacerbate things.

Firstly, children appear to be very little affected when they catch the virus. Secondly, if children stop spending the day at school, they will need adult supervision. Who is going to supervise them? Not the parents if both work away from home. I think many will be supervised by grandparents, a vulnerable group in terms of age, Since children may be asymptomatic when infected, they may not appear to present a threat to their grandparents yet may still infect them. Perhaps closing schools will actually increase demands on health services, since the elderly are the most likely to need intensive care when infected by COVID-19.
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:38 pm

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Thats how bureaucracy works. Capacity is there - but it is not certified for diagnostics in general, or diagnostics of this virus in particular, or technician is 2 weeks.


Is this true for every new strain of seasonal flu? That is nuts. The US started with 3 test locations, Michigan started with one state-owned test lab a week or two ago. Since yesterday four private labs with multiple locations have started testing. As labs increase so does positive cases.
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:52 pm

As of now, nearly 140,000 people are affected by coronavirus and I'm currently still in Indonesia. Today, Jakarta announces that Starting tomorrow that the following place will be closed for 2 weeks as found on CNN Indonesia. Also, Indonesia also confirmed their 35 cases today.

https://www.cnnindonesia.com/gaya-hidup ... bat-corona?
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:01 pm

President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil 1st test has been to have confirmed COVID-19 positive. He was meeting with President Trump last week.

https://meiahora.ig.com.br/geral/2020/0 ... virus.html

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