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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:29 am

We all have to be concerned about the long-term, even lifelong psychological affects of this virus crises long after it ends. Many people who survive after being close to a major natural disaster, acts of terrorism or mass gun violence suffer PTSD and this virus will cause it in many as well. Those psychological affects will vary from person to person, but it will affect all for the rest of their lives. Some may become germ-phobic, others with already existing psychological and mental health problems could see them get worse. For many, the economic affects from losing a job and not being able to get another, a lack of a financial safety net, will compound the risks. For some there will be survivor's guilt.
Hopefully this crises will end in a shorter time line if we do our part and perhaps by late summer, we can go back to our jobs, go to the gym, be in social contact with others again and make us all stronger having gone through it and helping others who are more deeply affected from it.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:43 am

Interesting proposals coming from GOP senators with individual/family cash payments to offset crisis impact and cushion employers from payroll obligations - they argue this can stem inevitable job losses.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/487 ... ans-during

This could be a start and could get bipartisan support - but not every family needs $4K - they should probably means test such a handout with a weighted average of expected vs lost income with at least a six-month preceding period snapshot.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:42 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Interesting proposals coming from GOP senators with individual/family cash payments to offset crisis impact and cushion employers from payroll obligations - they argue this can stem inevitable job losses.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/487 ... ans-during

This could be a start and could get bipartisan support - but not every family needs $4K - they should probably means test such a handout with a weighted average of expected vs lost income with at least a six-month preceding period snapshot.


If only the Dems was smart enough to pick Andrew Yang, Americans would be getting 1k/month now without having to worry as much about possibly go into full economic distress due to possible job losses.

Mean testing sounds good except it usually add overheads that could be use to hand out money to more people.

I do find it funny that this come from Sen. Cotton, though, as he is one of the most conservative Senator out there.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:49 am

Means testing also creates delay.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:55 am

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Are there measures taken to help people follow the guidelines, like providing sick pay ?


You are too worried about the US, your country is burning with or without those measures. People are people and despite anything we do they wont stop being people.

As for sick pay, congress is working on all of that right now.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:58 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Are there measures taken to help people follow the guidelines, like providing sick pay ?


You are too worried about the US, your country is burning with or without those measures. People are people and despite anything we do they wont stop being people.

As for sick pay, congress is working on all of that right now.


There's no time for that - people need to be able to comply with the recommendations from authorities now, without worrying about whether it affects their ability to eat or retain shelter. You are arguing from a position of privilege or ignorance if you can't see that.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:15 pm

Melbourne is starting to empty out as people start working from home. I was actually able to get a parking spot at my local train station this morning (Bayswater). The carpark is normally full by 7AM, but was only 2/3rds full at 7.50. The 2/3rds theme continued for the rest of the day, the food court was still busy-ish, but there were plenty of spare tables, when it's normally packed to capacity. Very few people standing on the train now, and the folk who normally sniffle their way through their journey seem to have taken the govenment advice & stayed at home. Tomorrow will be quieter still, with one of the big banks (NAB) having to close one of their large offices(700 Bourke) for the rest of the week for deep cleaning after one of their staff was infected. Most private schools & universities here have now closed for the duration, moving to online learning.

My employer (government department) is still tight-lipped about what their plans are, however we have been asked to check & confirm our contact details on our HR system....
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:30 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
Are there measures taken to help people follow the guidelines, like providing sick pay ?


You are too worried about the US, your country is burning with or without those measures. People are people and despite anything we do they wont stop being people.

As for sick pay, congress is working on all of that right now.


There's no time for that - people need to be able to comply with the recommendations from authorities now, without worrying about whether it affects their ability to eat or retain shelter. You are arguing from a position of privilege or ignorance if you can't see that.


I really do hope congress pass it soon.

But you and other liberals believe that throwing money on this crisis will stop it. You live in the bay area right? One of the wealthiest parts of the US, and its spreading like wildfire.

People should excercise common sense, some will some wont with or without money.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:40 pm

Not too long ago we were scoffing at Venezuela and shaking our heads at their situation. Guess what, the USA is barreling towards a similar situation at breakneck speed.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:46 pm

scbriml wrote:
Two nations separated by a common language and a large ocean, react to Covid-19 in a similar, but very different, way... :shock: :lol:

Meanwhile, in America:


All that hoarded toilet paper is not going to protect itself.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:55 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Two nations separated by a common language and a large ocean, react to Covid-19 in a similar, but very different, way... :shock: :lol:

Meanwhile, in America:


All that hoarded toilet paper is not going to protect itself.


Indeed! :rotfl:

Maybe they can shoot the virus when it knocks on the door?
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:57 pm

ltbewr wrote:
We all have to be concerned about the long-term, even lifelong psychological affects of this virus crises long after it ends. Many people who survive after being close to a major natural disaster, acts of terrorism or mass gun violence suffer PTSD and this virus will cause it in many as well.

PTSD? Do people normally get PTSD when they're sick? And I get we're going into lockdown to stop this thing but it's not as if we are trying to prevent the Bubonic Plague or zombie apocalypse

If anyone gets PTSD I hope it's the communist party in China after the international community whoops their asses for not closing these meat markets that keep causing these outbreaks
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:00 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

You are too worried about the US, your country is burning with or without those measures. People are people and despite anything we do they wont stop being people.

As for sick pay, congress is working on all of that right now.


There's no time for that - people need to be able to comply with the recommendations from authorities now, without worrying about whether it affects their ability to eat or retain shelter. You are arguing from a position of privilege or ignorance if you can't see that.


I really do hope congress pass it soon.

But you and other liberals believe that throwing money on this crisis will stop it. You live in the bay area right? One of the wealthiest parts of the US, and its spreading like wildfire.

People should excercise common sense, some will some wont with or without money.


'Throwing money' at it allows people to not suddenly become homeless and hungry, staying home in isolation.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:03 pm

scbriml wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Two nations separated by a common language and a large ocean, react to Covid-19 in a similar, but very different, way... :shock: :lol:

Meanwhile, in America:


All that hoarded toilet paper is not going to protect itself.


Indeed! :rotfl:

Maybe they can shoot the virus when it knocks on the door?


This reminds of of the notice put out to remind the geniuses in Florida (of course it would be Florida, where else?) not to shoot at Hurricane Irma:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/10/florida ... -irma.html

:mrgreen:

Speaking of Florida: when Trumpism meets Darwinism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESzzIvm ... .be&t=1303
Really? Four more years of this?
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:06 pm

bgm wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

There's no time for that - people need to be able to comply with the recommendations from authorities now, without worrying about whether it affects their ability to eat or retain shelter. You are arguing from a position of privilege or ignorance if you can't see that.


I really do hope congress pass it soon.

But you and other liberals believe that throwing money on this crisis will stop it. You live in the bay area right? One of the wealthiest parts of the US, and its spreading like wildfire.

People should excercise common sense, some will some wont with or without money.


'Throwing money' at it allows people to not suddenly become homeless and hungry, staying home in isolation.


People need relief, but thinking it will stop the spread its not working in Europe.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:11 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
bgm wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

I really do hope congress pass it soon.

But you and other liberals believe that throwing money on this crisis will stop it. You live in the bay area right? One of the wealthiest parts of the US, and its spreading like wildfire.

People should excercise common sense, some will some wont with or without money.


'Throwing money' at it allows people to not suddenly become homeless and hungry, staying home in isolation.


People need relief, but thinking it will stop the spread its not working in Europe.


'People need relief' - yes, they do. If they know they're not going to default on their house and other bills, they are far more likely to obey the quarantine rules put in place, thus reducing the spread of the virus. The effects of quarantine in Europe won't be seen for several weeks, but hopefully it will at least limit the spread so that the hospitals don't become even more overburdened.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:13 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

You are too worried about the US, your country is burning with or without those measures. People are people and despite anything we do they wont stop being people.

As for sick pay, congress is working on all of that right now.


There's no time for that - people need to be able to comply with the recommendations from authorities now, without worrying about whether it affects their ability to eat or retain shelter. You are arguing from a position of privilege or ignorance if you can't see that.


I really do hope congress pass it soon.

But you and other liberals believe that throwing money on this crisis will stop it. You live in the bay area right? One of the wealthiest parts of the US, and its spreading like wildfire.

People should excercise common sense, some will some wont with or without money.


You need to be more specific - your last sentence is very vague. Common sense as to what? If people on the margins without a cushion have to choose between going to work sick or staying home, what will they choose? Senators Cotton, Romney, Grassley and Schumer regardless all agree that Americans need cash relief now, before the job losses mount. The GOP side is arguing this will save employers from the burden of payroll and layoffs, and Dem side is arguing it will allow people to have an income through the crisis. All good arguments at this point.

I grew up in the Bay Area. In a much more chill place in the central coast wine country now - the purple part of the state.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:35 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

There's no time for that - people need to be able to comply with the recommendations from authorities now, without worrying about whether it affects their ability to eat or retain shelter. You are arguing from a position of privilege or ignorance if you can't see that.


I really do hope congress pass it soon.

But you and other liberals believe that throwing money on this crisis will stop it. You live in the bay area right? One of the wealthiest parts of the US, and its spreading like wildfire.

People should excercise common sense, some will some wont with or without money.


You need to be more specific - your last sentence is very vague. Common sense as to what? If people on the margins without a cushion have to choose between going to work sick or staying home, what will they choose? Senators Cotton, Romney, Grassley and Schumer regardless all agree that Americans need cash relief now, before the job losses mount. The GOP side is arguing this will save employers from the burden of payroll and layoffs, and Dem side is arguing it will allow people to have an income through the crisis. All good arguments at this point.

I grew up in the Bay Area. In a much more chill place in the central coast wine country now - the purple part of the state.


Common sense, wash your hands, avoid crowds, stay home if you got nothing important to do outside.

Money is not going to change that human behavior.

I hope congress passes legislation helping those who REALLY become affected by this. Not a cash giveaway to anyone.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:51 pm

In this article it is mentioned without a vaccine coming soon and in large quantaties 30% of the people in uk will require intensive health care.

I assume that people is not stronger or weaker then populations in other countries how will this effect the health care and in countries where private indurances is standard will the insurance companies go bankrupt?

If they go bankrupt will that force a government take over of the health insurance industry?


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/heal ... 04636.html
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:53 pm

DeltaMD90 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
We all have to be concerned about the long-term, even lifelong psychological affects of this virus crises long after it ends. Many people who survive after being close to a major natural disaster, acts of terrorism or mass gun violence suffer PTSD and this virus will cause it in many as well.

PTSD? Do people normally get PTSD when they're sick? And I get we're going into lockdown to stop this thing but it's not as if we are trying to prevent the Bubonic Plague or zombie apocalypse

If anyone gets PTSD I hope it's the communist party in China after the international community whoops their asses for not closing these meat markets that keep causing these outbreaks


A fair number of the not well elderly are on the edge of PTSD (or something similar). We definitely do not need a lot of them going over the edge. I had a dear old friend on the edge of schizo., which she staved off by walking a couple miles each day - until she couldn't. The adage, Old Age Ain't for Sissies, somewhat speaks to this. When a person's health and vitality shrink a psychological re-invention needs to take place to cope with that new reality. Particularly men are vulnerable to suicide at that point.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:58 pm

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Speaking of Florida: when Trumpism meets Darwinism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESzzIvm ... .be&t=1303


Sometimes, the stupid is beyond fixing.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:02 pm

DeltaMD90 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
We all have to be concerned about the long-term, even lifelong psychological affects of this virus crises long after it ends. Many people who survive after being close to a major natural disaster, acts of terrorism or mass gun violence suffer PTSD and this virus will cause it in many as well.

PTSD? Do people normally get PTSD when they're sick? And I get we're going into lockdown to stop this thing but it's not as if we are trying to prevent the Bubonic Plague or zombie apocalypse

So far our comfort zone has been only slightly comprimised. The fridge is moreless full, the water od running, electricity as well, we can go to bed with crispy clean linen in our own apartments/houses . TV, radio and internet and home libraries provide endless source of entertainment.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:12 pm

L410Turbolet wrote:
DeltaMD90 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
We all have to be concerned about the long-term, even lifelong psychological affects of this virus crises long after it ends. Many people who survive after being close to a major natural disaster, acts of terrorism or mass gun violence suffer PTSD and this virus will cause it in many as well.

PTSD? Do people normally get PTSD when they're sick? And I get we're going into lockdown to stop this thing but it's not as if we are trying to prevent the Bubonic Plague or zombie apocalypse

So far our comfort zone has been only slightly comprimised. The fridge is moreless full, the water od running, electricity as well, we can go to bed with crispy clean linen in our own apartments/houses . TV, radio and internet and home libraries provide endless source of entertainment.
People had to endure much, much worse during the war for years, so let's not be snowflakes.

First time when I have to agree with you in this thread!
However, our older relatives dying in en mass - some after not getting any medical help - is a stressing possibility. But again, people lived through worse things.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:16 pm

bgm wrote:
scbriml wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

All that hoarded toilet paper is not going to protect itself.


Indeed! :rotfl:

Maybe they can shoot the virus when it knocks on the door?


This reminds of of the notice put out to remind the geniuses in Florida (of course it would be Florida, where else?) not to shoot at Hurricane Irma:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/10/florida ... -irma.html

:mrgreen:

Speaking of Florida: when Trumpism meets Darwinism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESzzIvm ... .be&t=1303


Meh...they can always use the gun to hunt for some Bats, Civets, Rats...

Bat Soup are tasty afterall :duck: :duck:

P.S. That video from FL reminds me of those people in China saying "The Party has it all under control, all hail CCP" in January...before they caught the virus and die, that is.
 
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:03 pm

bgm wrote:

Speaking of Florida:


So you obviously missed this news. Who says we are worried.

https://twitter.com/search?q=clearwater ... head_click
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:09 pm

Does anyone know if there are current statistics on the global number of flights or passenger miles per day? I would need some reliable data on how the pandemic is influencing global air travel.
 
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:15 pm

scbriml wrote:
bgm wrote:
Speaking of Florida: when Trumpism meets Darwinism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESzzIvm ... .be&t=1303


Sometimes, the stupid is beyond fixing.


I agree. I have no doubt that not long from now, maybe as early as this afternoon, the squared stupidity of the GOP, Trump, Fox News and the 36% Core will go down as the greatest display of mass ignorance in modern history. But as the rest of us were well aware, there is no denying medical science. It may have taken four weeks to seep into their simian-like collective cortex but in the end even Trump had to wonder why people kept going up to the podium and directly contradicting everything that he'd just vomited out of his balloon face. Go check out the witless wonders on Fox News, all now suggesting that people practice social distancing when just last weekend they were still peddling hoax theories. Sometimes, the stupidity is indeed beyond fixing.
 
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:32 pm

It's things like this that confuse and concern me:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentu ... index.html
A Kentucky novel coronavirus patient checked himself out of the hospital against medical advice. So to prevent him from spreading the virus, officials are surrounding his house to keep him there.
The 53-year-old man in Nelson County refused to quarantine himself after testing positive for Covid-19, Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said.
Nelson County officials "forced an isolation" on the man, one of the first 20 confirmed Covid-19 cases in the state.

WTF is some people's mental defect that they do stuff like this? The guy is now supposedly "cooperating" but seriously who does something like that?
(And yes, I know there are similar stories of people with STD's etc.)

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Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:40 pm

Tugger wrote:
It's things like this that confuse and concern me:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentu ... index.html
A Kentucky novel coronavirus patient checked himself out of the hospital against medical advice. So to prevent him from spreading the virus, officials are surrounding his house to keep him there.
The 53-year-old man in Nelson County refused to quarantine himself after testing positive for Covid-19, Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said.
Nelson County officials "forced an isolation" on the man, one of the first 20 confirmed Covid-19 cases in the state.

WTF is some people's mental defect that they do stuff like this? The guy is now supposedly "cooperating" but seriously who does something like that?
(And yes, I know there are similar stories of people with STD's etc.)

Tugg


Enough people get the virus and a few are bound to be a combination of crazy / stupid / selfish that makes them more dangerous than others.
 
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:40 pm

I am deeply worried about the impact small business will get moving forward, or even capitalism or what ever is left from this.

Some businesses are doing ok other bad and some very good.

I am in the corporate business travel industry, dont want to be more specific since I dont want any issues with my work, but the amount of traffic from the liberal enclaves to rural America is I think pretty interesting.
And I understand since I live in rural-sub urban Florida, flocking to where the population density is lower is I think the way human beings behave when scared. The bad thing is that there isnt much health facility infraestructure to deal with the urban migration, much less housing. So lets see.

Rural America is the joke of this country, turns out they are getting hit the less (for now), irony that liberals are exiling themselves there.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:54 pm

Watched a very good address last night to the nation of The Netherlands by the Dutch PM. Explained why they did things the way they did, talked about the discussions they had with health care professionals about three potential scenarios (to implement) and what the advantages/disadvantages of each scenario would be.
The major conclusion was that it is impossible to completely annihilate the virus at this point and that therefore the idea was to create some sort of "herd immunity" by slowing down the cases and keep the pressure on hospitals manageable. In the mean time, work on a vaccine/cure. stay home as much as possible, but not a complete prison-style lock down.

After watching the address, I wished I live in Holland at the moment and not in the dumpster fire USA.
 
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:58 pm

Tugger wrote:
It's things like this that confuse and concern me:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentu ... index.html
A Kentucky novel coronavirus patient checked himself out of the hospital against medical advice. So to prevent him from spreading the virus, officials are surrounding his house to keep him there.
The 53-year-old man in Nelson County refused to quarantine himself after testing positive for Covid-19, Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said.
Nelson County officials "forced an isolation" on the man, one of the first 20 confirmed Covid-19 cases in the state.

WTF is some people's mental defect that they do stuff like this? The guy is now supposedly "cooperating" but seriously who does something like that?
(And yes, I know there are similar stories of people with STD's etc.)

Tugg


There was a psycho like this in Japan a couple weeks ago - had already tested positive and went all over town attempting to admittedly 'spread the virus'.

https://japantoday.com/category/crime/u ... read-virus
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:11 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
I am deeply worried about the impact small business will get moving forward, or even capitalism or what ever is left from this.

Some businesses are doing ok other bad and some very good.


Small independent shops and businesses are going to really struggle. I hope governments will help them, but it will need to be done very quickly because they have little ability to ride it out like large corporates can. My hometown has lots of independent cafes, bars and restaurants that will find it very hard if folks follow government guidelines to not use them.

For example, my local pub is very small - they brew their own beer and have a wood-fired pizza oven. They will have to close because of lack of the customers and it will be very sad if they go out of business.
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:38 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Watched a very good address last night to the nation of The Netherlands by the Dutch PM. Explained why they did things the way they did, talked about the discussions they had with health care professionals about three potential scenarios (to implement) and what the advantages/disadvantages of each scenario would be.
The major conclusion was that it is impossible to completely annihilate the virus at this point and that therefore the idea was to create some sort of "herd immunity" by slowing down the cases and keep the pressure on hospitals manageable. In the mean time, work on a vaccine/cure. stay home as much as possible, but not a complete prison-style lock down.

After watching the address, I wished I live in Holland at the moment and not in the dumpster fire USA.


The majority of the people I spoke today are telling me that this was something they will remember when they are old in 30-50 years.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:54 pm

bgm wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
I am deeply worried about the impact small business will get moving forward, or even capitalism or what ever is left from this.


Oh, so NOW you're worried? After it's too late? If only there were some indicators to warn you how bad it would be.... Oh wait. :sarcastic:

Only yesterday, Florida (again) had their beaches open and packed with idiots.

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/stat ... distancing

There really is a special kind of stupid.

zhiao wrote:
1. It doesn't matter what he said. Actions speak louder..


And inaction speaks even louder.


So how is your country dealing with this? Unless you dont live in a country?
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:57 pm

That picture of some gun shops in the USA busy right now is sadly due to 2 factors. One is that some purchasers of guns and ammo are Chinese or other Asians fearful of racist and ethnic attacks as to 'blame' for the virus. The second is too many who fear someone coming for their food, toilet paper, or money, that is self-protection, but mainly paranoia.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:01 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Rural America is the joke of this country, turns out they are getting hit the less (for now), irony that liberals are exiling themselves there.

No irony, and no this is not a political thing though we can make it one I guess. It is called population density. Very simple to have better "social distancing" (there's a PC term I'm coming to loathe) in places where the population density is lower already. It is a simple fact that the most productive, most robust regions and local economies in the nation are where there is population density, so in times like this people will shift. It is a smart thing to do in many ways.


scbriml wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
I am deeply worried about the impact small business will get moving forward, or even capitalism or what ever is left from this.

Some businesses are doing ok other bad and some very good.


Small independent shops and businesses are going to really struggle. I hope governments will help them, but it will need to be done very quickly because they have little ability to ride it out like large corporates can. My hometown has lots of independent cafes, bars and restaurants that will find it very hard if folks follow government guidelines to not use them.

For example, my local pub is very small - they brew their own beer and have a wood-fired pizza oven. They will have to close because of lack of the customers and it will be very sad if they go out of business.

The good thing is that the USA is now proposing several ways to help the population and small businesses get through this. We are super fortunate we've had all these great economic years and have a strong balanc... oh wait, we don't we squandered everything and are just about to take on the largest debt we've ever had. Stupid.

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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:06 pm

bgm wrote:
Only yesterday, Florida (again) had their beaches open and packed with idiots.


It's Florida, though...something wrong with either the heat or the water there.

scbriml wrote:
Was that before or after Trump said it was a hoax? It was probably too little, too late since the US infection rate looks to be on a very similar trajectory as pretty much everywhere else.


To be REALLY fair - Trump basically thinks by closing off China everything will be dandy...up until things spread from China to Europe to US, that is...

scbriml wrote:
Are all schools, bars, restaurants & cafes closed in America?


Up to 20/50 states now.

CA, OR, WA, and CO out West
IL, IN, IA, MI, OH, MN in Midwest
KY, NC down south
NY, NJ, CT, PA, MA, and MD in the Northeast

For me in Indiana, all the neighboring states (and Indiana itself) had now close bars/restaurants for dine-in. And if you bother looking at the map, basically the corridor between NYC and Chicago has zero dine-in restaurants open.

Wouldn't surprise me if WI shutter doors soon also, and perhaps MO and VA. Soon I won't be surprise if it'll only be all the Southern States that let things stay open (Other than perhaps GA and TX).
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:35 pm

The UK govt following France’s sensible approach with support to business in the UK.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:38 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
Not too long ago we were scoffing at Venezuela and shaking our heads at their situation. Guess what, the USA is barreling towards a similar situation at breakneck speed.


You mean the whole world
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:51 pm

bgm wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
I am deeply worried about the impact small business will get moving forward, or even capitalism or what ever is left from this.


Oh, so NOW you're worried? After it's too late? If only there were some indicators to warn you how bad it would be.... Oh wait. :sarcastic:

Only yesterday, Florida (again) had their beaches open and packed with idiots.

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/stat ... distancing

There really is a special kind of stupid.

zhiao wrote:
1. It doesn't matter what he said. Actions speak louder..


And inaction speaks even louder.


You are spreading incomplete info which doesn't help and only adds to paranoia.
Only some of the beaches were open.
In other ones cops are kicking out people and there are barricades set up to prevent entrance.
Get your facts before the whawhaambulance. It doesn't help anybody.
Not to mention that until we get a country wide or at least state wide directive most people will still do what they want.

And to add more (for everybody reading this thread)... stupid has no state / party lines cause I guarantee you that's a Bernie voter from NJ.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/12 ... 92648?s=20
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:57 pm

Question-

I live in an area where bars and restaurants are closed, but restaurants are still allowed to deliver food and prepare carry-out orders. Many restaurants are checking the temperatures of employees as they report to work, but what are the odds of transmission through asymptomatic employees who are involved in the food preparation? I'd like to support these businesses, but only if it is safe to do so.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:21 pm

N583JB wrote:
Question-

I live in an area where bars and restaurants are closed, but restaurants are still allowed to deliver food and prepare carry-out orders. Many restaurants are checking the temperatures of employees as they report to work, but what are the odds of transmission through asymptomatic employees who are involved in the food preparation? I'd like to support these businesses, but only if it is safe to do so.


I'm a bit sceptical towards this myself. I don't think it's safe.

I've had groceries delivered on my door instead, so I can prepare my own food. I even cleaned every item with dish soap and water before putting it in my shelves and fridge. Maybe that's a step too far though.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:22 pm

N583JB wrote:
Question-

I live in an area where bars and restaurants are closed, but restaurants are still allowed to deliver food and prepare carry-out orders. Many restaurants are checking the temperatures of employees as they report to work, but what are the odds of transmission through asymptomatic employees who are involved in the food preparation? I'd like to support these businesses, but only if it is safe to do so.

Ask them to leave package at the door and wait for a few minutes for the air to clear, do not talk face to face. If you want to tip - do via credit card, or leave tip outside before they come.
Discard the outer bag and wipe the inner package right away.
Hot food, if loaded at recommended temperatures, should be safe. So is the inner sides of containers. I wouldn't order cold salads, though.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:44 pm

The shortage of toilet paper is becoming critical, it’s time for the government to release the nation’s strategic toilet paper reserve.
Ain't I a stinker?
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:54 pm

Tugger wrote:
It's things like this that confuse and concern me:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/17/us/kentu ... index.html
A Kentucky novel coronavirus patient checked himself out of the hospital against medical advice. So to prevent him from spreading the virus, officials are surrounding his house to keep him there.
The 53-year-old man in Nelson County refused to quarantine himself after testing positive for Covid-19, Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear said.
Nelson County officials "forced an isolation" on the man, one of the first 20 confirmed Covid-19 cases in the state.

WTF is some people's mental defect that they do stuff like this? The guy is now supposedly "cooperating" but seriously who does something like that?
(And yes, I know there are similar stories of people with STD's etc.)

Tugg


This is happening far too often, especially in a western democracy where it is impossible to enforce orders without resistance from people who think they are above it.

A friend of mine told me yesterday that a couple of clients she saw were an elderly couple who had just returned from Spain, looked visibly sick with telltale symptoms of the virus, and yet did not go into self-isolation or report to the medical authorities. They were urged by her staff to promptly contact the medical authorities but they refused, saying that they will do so once they've "sorted out personal matters" and left.

Infuriating... :banghead:
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:57 pm

Confuscius

I do hope that that is a joke.

At least people will have a clean a***.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:00 pm

N583JB wrote:
Question-

I live in an area where bars and restaurants are closed, but restaurants are still allowed to deliver food and prepare carry-out orders. Many restaurants are checking the temperatures of employees as they report to work, but what are the odds of transmission through asymptomatic employees who are involved in the food preparation? I'd like to support these businesses, but only if it is safe to do so.


DoorDash is offering a no-contact delivery option. Grubhub and Restaurant Connection may have similar options. If you can just order hot dishes.
All posts are just opinions.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:03 pm

Confuscius wrote:
, it’s time for the government to release the nation’s strategic toilet paper reserve.

Well we had one, it was called Costco..... Ooops!

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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:12 pm

kalvado wrote:
N583JB wrote:
Question-

I live in an area where bars and restaurants are closed, but restaurants are still allowed to deliver food and prepare carry-out orders. Many restaurants are checking the temperatures of employees as they report to work, but what are the odds of transmission through asymptomatic employees who are involved in the food preparation? I'd like to support these businesses, but only if it is safe to do so.

Ask them to leave package at the door and wait for a few minutes for the air to clear, do not talk face to face. If you want to tip - do via credit card, or leave tip outside before they come.
Discard the outer bag and wipe the inner package right away.
Hot food, if loaded at recommended temperatures, should be safe. So is the inner sides of containers. I wouldn't order cold salads, though.


The virus can live up to 3 days on a plastic surface and hours on others.

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