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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:34 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/health/wuhan-coronavirus-first-us-case-cdc-bn/index.html

First reported case in US in Washington State.

Great, I was wondering why the CDC wasn't deploying to SEA airport to screen Chinese arrivals. Maybe they'll get off their asses and do more now. We can't contain it, but we still need to slow it down. It will be at least a year to develop a vaccine, which both the US and China have already started work on.
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https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society ... 0-infected

And the death toll jumps to 9, with more and more cases reported.

Jouhou wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/health/wuhan-coronavirus-first-us-case-cdc-bn/index.html

First reported case in US in Washington State.

Great, I was wondering why the CDC wasn't deploying to SEA airport to screen Chinese arrivals. Maybe they'll get off their asses and do more now. We can't contain it, but we still need to slow it down. It will be at least a year to develop a vaccine, which both the US and China have already started work on.


To be fair, CDC didn't start screening until 17th. The infected person traveled to US on the 15th.

The bottom line, though, is that this coronavirus is no joke.
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:00 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047099/china-confirms-9-dead-coronavirus-and-440-infected

And the death toll jumps to 9, with more and more cases reported.

Jouhou wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/health/wuhan-coronavirus-first-us-case-cdc-bn/index.html

First reported case in US in Washington State.

Great, I was wondering why the CDC wasn't deploying to SEA airport to screen Chinese arrivals. Maybe they'll get off their asses and do more now. We can't contain it, but we still need to slow it down. It will be at least a year to develop a vaccine, which both the US and China have already started work on.


To be fair, CDC didn't start screening until 17th. The infected person traveled to US on the 15th.

The bottom line, though, is that this coronavirus is no joke.


It's here now. He didn't fly alone...... A large flight for 12-14 hours, airport, food..... flight attendants, bathroom. I expect we will see more cases soon.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:03 am

casinterest wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047099/china-confirms-9-dead-coronavirus-and-440-infected

And the death toll jumps to 9, with more and more cases reported.

Jouhou wrote:
Great, I was wondering why the CDC wasn't deploying to SEA airport to screen Chinese arrivals. Maybe they'll get off their asses and do more now. We can't contain it, but we still need to slow it down. It will be at least a year to develop a vaccine, which both the US and China have already started work on.


To be fair, CDC didn't start screening until 17th. The infected person traveled to US on the 15th.

The bottom line, though, is that this coronavirus is no joke.


It's here now. He didn't fly alone...... A large flight for 12-14 hours, airport, food..... flight attendants, bathroom. I expect we will see more cases soon.


I think we will do a better job of contact tracing and isolation than China, on the other hand official statements from the CDC aren't encouraging, they're like the Australian statements that are to the effect of "well, with an incubation period like that, how are we supposed to contain this?". Also, why are they only expanding screening to ATL and ORD but not SEA? Have they given up on containment in Seattle already?

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/china-warns-v ... 52210.html

The illness is mainly transmitted via the respiratory tract and there "is the possibility of viral mutation and further spread of the disease," National Health Commission vice minister Li Bin said at a news conference in Beijing.


"We already know that the disease originated from a market which conducted illegal transaction of wild animals," said Gao Fu, director of the Chinese centre for disease control and prevention.

"This might be the cause, so the disease could be on an animal, and then passed on from this animal to a human."

He said it was clear "this virus is adapting and mutating."


China's experts seem to be supporting what I feared. Doing some quick math, the case fatality rate has increased to 2% from 1.5%
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:31 am

http://3g.dxy.cn/newh5/view/pneumonia

Nice up to date map showing confirmed and suspected geographic spread in China.

However,

台湾省


Taiwan province? Gross. If the PRC gets to be outraged over Taiwan being listed as a separate country on websites, I get to be disgusted by it not being referred to as a separate country. Fortunately Google translate just translates this as "Taiwan". There's perks to Google being banned in China I guess.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:36 am

It is spreading so fast all around the world and all cases came from China.
 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:09 pm

Jouhou wrote:
Andddd death toll just rose to 6. I wonder if the mutation I was worried about happened.

Again, as a matter of perspectives-

During last flu season here in New South Wales, Australia, >30000 laboratory confirmed cases were identified, and 79 deaths occurred. NSW has 2/3 of the population of Wuhan.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 6623bb1ccf

In the US, for the past 3.5 months alone, it was estimated that 13-18 million people contracted flu, with 6600-17000 deaths. Maybe we should shut down all US-originated traffic??
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/pr ... imates.htm

People are freaking out because this novel virus is similar to SARS virus. In the mean time, a virus for which vaccines exist still kills way more people in one month in US alone than SARS ever did.

Someone mentioned that the US does a better job in contact tracing. I'd like to see how the Californian public health authority will cope when they have to chase down who 1000 people in LA metropolitan area (similar population size to Wuhan) came in contact with in one week.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Wed Jan 22, 2020 12:48 pm

Cerecl wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Andddd death toll just rose to 6. I wonder if the mutation I was worried about happened.

Again, as a matter of perspectives-

During last flu season here in New South Wales, Australia, >30000 laboratory confirmed cases were identified, and 79 deaths occurred. NSW has 2/3 of the population of Wuhan.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 6623bb1ccf

In the US, for the past 3.5 months alone, it was estimated that 13-18 million people contracted flu, with 6600-17000 deaths. Maybe we should shut down all US-originated traffic??
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/pr ... imates.htm

People are freaking out because this novel virus is similar to SARS virus. In the mean time, a virus for which vaccines exist still kills way more people in one month in US alone than SARS ever did.

Someone mentioned that the US does a better job in contact tracing. I'd like to see how the Californian public health authority will cope when they have to chase down who 1000 people in LA metropolitan area (similar population size to Wuhan) came in contact with in one week.


And you are still trying to defend things even though the outbreak is on?

Seriously, more and more cases are being confirmed, and it is already known that the virus is highly contagious, yet you still just think it is nothing to worried about?

The bottom line is, nobody knows how deadly this virus is as-is. Is it like SARS where even normally healthy people in 20s/30s get killed by it? Or is it more similar to flu epidemic? Nobody knows. But hey, taking precautions is "overworrying" and "freaking out"?

BTW, first confirmed case in both Macau and HK today. The latter was somebody that came from Wuhan to transit to a flight to MNL (with his family being on the flight to MNL).
 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:41 pm

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And you are still trying to defend things even though the outbreak is on?

No. He's of the opinion (like I am) that it's premature to assume this will be of epic proportions. A 2% fatality rate from less than 1,000 reported cases is still good odds. Now if you tell me that the fatality rate is 25% or higher, yes there's ample reason for concern.

zakuivcustom wrote:
Seriously, more and more cases are being confirmed, and it is already known that the virus is highly contagious, yet you still just think it is nothing to worried about?

The fact that a virus can spread between people doesn't mean it's "highly" contagious. If it were "highly" contagious, it would be treated as a BSL 4 pathogen, to the point where all airports would shut down and people would be screened and quarantined.

zakuivcustom wrote:
The bottom line is, nobody knows how deadly this virus is as-is. Is it like SARS where even normally healthy people in 20s/30s get killed by it? Or is it more similar to flu epidemic? Nobody knows. But hey, taking precautions is "overworrying" and "freaking out"?

It's one thing to take precautions; it's another to declare that it'll be the end of the world. I mean, here you are contradicting yourself by saying that no one knows how deadly this virus is, but at the same time saying that it's highly contagious.

Screening passengers and ensuring health authorities are equipped is not "freaking out". Saying that the "virus is super contagious and OMG we now have a case in the US and we'll get more because this virus is super contagious" IS.

zakuivcustom wrote:
BTW, first confirmed case in both Macau and HK today. The latter was somebody that came from Wuhan to transit to a flight to MNL (with his family being on the flight to MNL).

Let's be honest: the Far East is not known for having the highest quality of hygiene. And with airlines wanting to turn airplanes around as fast as possible, this isn't like in 2003 where planes would be cleaned inside before loading passengers.

Should we keep an eye out for further developments? Absolutely. Should we keep up our guard. Hell yeah. But how about we wait for more data to come out to fully understand how dangerous this virus is? Let's not turn into Republicans like during the 2014 Ebola outbreak who insisted that Ebola was gonna come to the US and destroy us. As Cerecl pointed out, the seasonal flu has killed more people per year than this.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 2:46 pm

And a second (as the gov't call it) "highly suspicious" case is reported in HK the same day after first case was reported:
https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/hea ... -hong-kong

The second case was some 56yo that traveled to Wuhan 2 weeks ago.

Also, per Apple Daily of Hong Kong (I'll try to find an English source later), the death toll just jumped to 17.

https://hk.news.appledaily.com/local/20 ... RLTXICTJM/

Wuhan also just mandate everyone to wear a mask.

(Meanwhile, in HK, the gov't still acts like everything is awesome, and still want to pursue that appeal regarding anti-mask law that was struck down by the court).

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The fact that a virus can spread between people doesn't mean it's "highly" contagious. If it were "highly" contagious, it would be treated as a BSL 4 pathogen, to the point where all airports would shut down and people would be screened and quarantined.


People ARE already getting screened at HKG, SIN, and a few US airports. People ARE getting quarantined already.

einsteinboricua wrote:
It's one thing to take precautions; it's another to declare that it'll be the end of the world. I mean, here you are contradicting yourself by saying that no one knows how deadly this virus is, but at the same time saying that it's highly contagious


Death rate =/= highly contagious. How am I contradicting myself?

Common flu is highly contagious but its death rate is not high. Doesn't mean people doesn't take precautions against it.

Oh, and the bottom line is, did I ever say it's the end of the world especially for US? A case is reported. So far, so good, let's hope that it continues that way. Over in East Asia, though, more and more cases are reported, and all it takes is one super-spreader to make things go very ugly in a region quickly - that's not "freaking out", but just the truth for any viral disease!
 
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:51 pm

Cerecl wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Andddd death toll just rose to 6. I wonder if the mutation I was worried about happened.

Again, as a matter of perspectives-

During last flu season here in New South Wales, Australia, >30000 laboratory confirmed cases were identified, and 79 deaths occurred. NSW has 2/3 of the population of Wuhan.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 6623bb1ccf

In the US, for the past 3.5 months alone, it was estimated that 13-18 million people contracted flu, with 6600-17000 deaths. Maybe we should shut down all US-originated traffic??
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/pr ... imates.htm

People are freaking out because this novel virus is similar to SARS virus. In the mean time, a virus for which vaccines exist still kills way more people in one month in US alone than SARS ever did.

Someone mentioned that the US does a better job in contact tracing. I'd like to see how the Californian public health authority will cope when they have to chase down who 1000 people in LA metropolitan area (similar population size to Wuhan) came in contact with in one week.



This is a disease that emerged in December, has only been recognized since 3 weeks ago, and is far outpacing SARS in infection rates. It also is killing more than it was initially, showing that it is adapting. You're already being proven wrong, so you double down?


The death toll has risen to 17 now, that map I linked to stays updated. The number of infected is rising now with each refresh. 549 confirmed infections at this time. As someone who watches the geographic spread of influenza each season this is actually covering more ground in a shorter period of time and is killing a lot more per infected people. We've now notched up to a 3% case fatality rate. It's still increasing.


Also 2% is perfectly horrifying, ffs. If you work with 100+ people, it's not hard to imagine a workplace outbreak(which happens all the time) in which everyone gets sick, and 2 people ends up dying. People are upset when one person dies for expected and normal reasons. Then add to that the fact that over 20% of people are getting sick enough to require hospitalization. I'm a smoker, I'd probably be hospitalized.

...I'm an American with health insurance, I can't afford 2+ weeks in the hospital either.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:19 pm

In the UK flights from Wuhan will be screened, The flights will be met in an isolated part of Terminal 4, with a health team available to check for symptoms.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51202216

"The vast majority of cases have been in Wuhan and Chinese authorities believe the virus originated from a seafood market that "conducted illegal transactions of wild animals". Reminds me of the Africa problem.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:27 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
In the UK flights from Wuhan will be screened, The flights will be met in an isolated part of Terminal 4, with a health team available to check for symptoms.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51202216

"The vast majority of cases have been in Wuhan and Chinese authorities believe the virus originated from a seafood market that "conducted illegal transactions of wild animals". Reminds me of the Africa problem.



It was actually always a PRC problem too. SARS was a bat coronavirus that had infected civets, it is speculated that human consumption of civets was the cause of the virus jumping to humans. This is likely the case here, to my understanding both bats and civets are still consumed in China along with several other wild mammals capable of carrying the virus. I believe coronaviruses can infect birds too.

It's not legal but it's still done, China doesn't tend to enforce laws that aren't about respecting the government's authority.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:56 pm

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It was actually always a PRC problem too. SARS was a bat coronavirus that had infected civets, it is speculated that human consumption of civets was the cause of the virus jumping to humans. This is likely the case here, to my understanding both bats and civets are still consumed in China along with several other wild mammals capable of carrying the virus. I believe coronaviruses can infect birds too.

It's not legal but it's still done, China doesn't tend to enforce laws that aren't about respecting the government's authority.


If you can understand Chinese (Don't remember whether this was posted already), here is a price list of the shop that's said to be the origin of all:
https://twitter.com/muyixiao/status/121 ... 39841?s=20

Quite frankly, between live Peacocks and Civets to Wolf Pups, some of them live when sold, it's just a hotbed of any viruses to eventually cause a mess.

I do expect Chinese authority to further crackdown on wildlife markets. Needless to say, it's supply and demand, and people do eat those wildlife for reasons that I won't ever know.

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Scroll down for a (not sure if completed) list of animals purportedly being sold in English:
https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographic ... index.html
 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:11 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
It was actually always a PRC problem too. SARS was a bat coronavirus that had infected civets, it is speculated that human consumption of civets was the cause of the virus jumping to humans. This is likely the case here, to my understanding both bats and civets are still consumed in China along with several other wild mammals capable of carrying the virus. I believe coronaviruses can infect birds too.

It's not legal but it's still done, China doesn't tend to enforce laws that aren't about respecting the government's authority.


If you can understand Chinese (Don't remember whether this was posted already), here is a price list of the shop that's said to be the origin of all:
https://twitter.com/muyixiao/status/121 ... 39841?s=20

Quite frankly, between live Peacocks and Civets to Wolf Pups, some of them live when sold, it's just a hotbed of any viruses to eventually cause a mess.

I do expect Chinese authority to further crackdown on wildlife markets. Needless to say, it's supply and demand, and people do eat those wildlife for reasons that I won't ever know.

EDIT:
Scroll down for a (not sure if completed) list of animals purportedly being sold in English:
https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographic ... index.html


Cool, camel is on there too. The source of the animal-human jump of the MERS coronavirus. China needs to educate the public on zoonotic illness so people understand WHY they shouldn't be consuming this stuff.

Weirdly enough, Taiwan is one of the best places in the world for vegetarians. Meanwhile, the PRC is eating literally anything edible. It's weird how their cultures have diverged so much.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:19 pm

Medicine and health is not my forte, but..

I have to give it to the PC crowd, claiming the FLU kills more people. Yeah, the FLU which actually has a cure. Yet we have here some sort of contagion from a virus your only survival depends on your immune system. Talk about kids or the elderly, which they might be the most affected if this goes and possibly wiped out if it spreads.

The communist regime of China, being weak as they since they are dictatorship, will try to calm the waters by downplaying the statistics and saying they have everything under control. Here is hoping all flights coming from China be screened, no matter what region of China they come from.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:32 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Medicine and health is not my forte, but..

I have to give it to the PC crowd, claiming the FLU kills more people. Yeah, the FLU which actually has a cure. Yet we have here some sort of contagion from a virus your only survival depends on your immune system. Talk about kids or the elderly, which they might be the most affected if this goes and possibly wiped out if it spreads.

The communist regime of China, being weak as they since they are dictatorship, will try to calm the waters by downplaying the statistics and saying they have everything under control. Here is hoping all flights coming from China be screened, no matter what region of China they come from.


Flu doesn't have a cure, there's medicines that inhibit replication but are not virucidal, and there's the vaccine that prevents specific strains. Its death toll is because it's extremely widespread. A low fatality rate across a very large number of infections will still create a staggering death toll.

However I'm not disputing the point you are making at all. It's starting to appear this virus has a greater ability to infect people than SARS and really the Flu itself- I have never seen a novel influenza strain due to antigenic shift spread this fast. And it's killing a much larger percentage of those infected. Every person dying is a loved one to someone else. Just because it's happening far away doesn't mean it's not heartbreaking. In China people won't show a lot of empathy to strangers but they love their families dearly. It's a holiday season for them, and people are losing family members to this very abruptly right during their holidays.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:35 pm

Jouhou wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Medicine and health is not my forte, but..

I have to give it to the PC crowd, claiming the FLU kills more people. Yeah, the FLU which actually has a cure. Yet we have here some sort of contagion from a virus your only survival depends on your immune system. Talk about kids or the elderly, which they might be the most affected if this goes and possibly wiped out if it spreads.

The communist regime of China, being weak as they since they are dictatorship, will try to calm the waters by downplaying the statistics and saying they have everything under control. Here is hoping all flights coming from China be screened, no matter what region of China they come from.


Flu doesn't have a cure, there's medicines that inhibit replication but are not virucidal, and there's the vaccine that prevents specific strains. Its death toll is because it's extremely widespread. A low fatality rate across a very large number of infections will still create a staggering death toll.

However I'm not disputing the point you are making at all. It's starting to appear this virus has a greater ability to infect people than SARS and really the Flu itself- I have never seen a novel influenza strain due to antigenic shift spread this fast. And it's killing a much larger percentage of those infected. Every person dying is a loved one to someone else. Just because it's happening far away doesn't mean it's not heartbreaking. In China people won't show a lot of empathy to strangers but they love their families dearly. It's a holiday season for them, and people are losing family members to this very abruptly right during their holidays.



Very much true, unfortunately for us on the rest of the world, we have to count on China to get accurate information on this... after this gets filtered and approved by the Communist party and or politburo. No independent institutions over there to actually get us an accurate picture of the situation.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:48 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Medicine and health is not my forte, but..

I have to give it to the PC crowd, claiming the FLU kills more people. Yeah, the FLU which actually has a cure. Yet we have here some sort of contagion from a virus your only survival depends on your immune system. Talk about kids or the elderly, which they might be the most affected if this goes and possibly wiped out if it spreads.

The communist regime of China, being weak as they since they are dictatorship, will try to calm the waters by downplaying the statistics and saying they have everything under control. Here is hoping all flights coming from China be screened, no matter what region of China they come from.


Flu doesn't have a cure, there's medicines that inhibit replication but are not virucidal, and there's the vaccine that prevents specific strains. Its death toll is because it's extremely widespread. A low fatality rate across a very large number of infections will still create a staggering death toll.

However I'm not disputing the point you are making at all. It's starting to appear this virus has a greater ability to infect people than SARS and really the Flu itself- I have never seen a novel influenza strain due to antigenic shift spread this fast. And it's killing a much larger percentage of those infected. Every person dying is a loved one to someone else. Just because it's happening far away doesn't mean it's not heartbreaking. In China people won't show a lot of empathy to strangers but they love their families dearly. It's a holiday season for them, and people are losing family members to this very abruptly right during their holidays.



Very much true, unfortunately for us on the rest of the world, we have to count on China to get accurate information on this... after this gets filtered and approved by the Communist party and or politburo. No independent institutions over there to actually get us an accurate picture of the situation.


Absolutely, I've been watching this from the start because of the Chinese government's suspicious attempts to minimize talk about the outbreak. However, this time around there's not only been global pressure from the outside, but calls from actual communist party leadership and editorials in state run media saying that it would be a huge embarrassment for the PRC to drop the ball on this. The pressure is internal this time as well, so hopefully they truly put in their best effort this time even though it's looking pretty difficult to contain at this point.


Update: unconfirmed but rumor has it that China has now quarantined the entire city of Wuhan. There have been talks of this for a couple of days so this wouldn't come as a surprise. There's a reason why yesterday their media was strongly advising people to cancel their plans to travel to Wuhan.
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Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:03 pm

Jouhou wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
It was actually always a PRC problem too. SARS was a bat coronavirus that had infected civets, it is speculated that human consumption of civets was the cause of the virus jumping to humans. This is likely the case here, to my understanding both bats and civets are still consumed in China along with several other wild mammals capable of carrying the virus. I believe coronaviruses can infect birds too.

It's not legal but it's still done, China doesn't tend to enforce laws that aren't about respecting the government's authority.


If you can understand Chinese (Don't remember whether this was posted already), here is a price list of the shop that's said to be the origin of all:
https://twitter.com/muyixiao/status/121 ... 39841?s=20

Quite frankly, between live Peacocks and Civets to Wolf Pups, some of them live when sold, it's just a hotbed of any viruses to eventually cause a mess.

I do expect Chinese authority to further crackdown on wildlife markets. Needless to say, it's supply and demand, and people do eat those wildlife for reasons that I won't ever know.

EDIT:
Scroll down for a (not sure if completed) list of animals purportedly being sold in English:
https://multimedia.scmp.com/infographic ... index.html


Cool, camel is on there too. The source of the animal-human jump of the MERS coronavirus. China needs to educate the public on zoonotic illness so people understand WHY they shouldn't be consuming this stuff.

Weirdly enough, Taiwan is one of the best places in the world for vegetarians. Meanwhile, the PRC is eating literally anything edible. It's weird how their cultures have diverged so much.


Well, it is already not Guangdong/Guangzhou this time around, where people basically eat anything that moves :) (It is a joke, but also have some truth to it).

But either way, afaik it's not like mainland Chinese just eat civets or camels all the time, either. Pork and Chicken, yes. Seafood? Yes. Wildlifes? Not really for 99% of the people. Of course, 1% of Chinese population is still a lot of people :).

Jouhou wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Jouhou wrote:

Flu doesn't have a cure, there's medicines that inhibit replication but are not virucidal, and there's the vaccine that prevents specific strains. Its death toll is because it's extremely widespread. A low fatality rate across a very large number of infections will still create a staggering death toll.

However I'm not disputing the point you are making at all. It's starting to appear this virus has a greater ability to infect people than SARS and really the Flu itself- I have never seen a novel influenza strain due to antigenic shift spread this fast. And it's killing a much larger percentage of those infected. Every person dying is a loved one to someone else. Just because it's happening far away doesn't mean it's not heartbreaking. In China people won't show a lot of empathy to strangers but they love their families dearly. It's a holiday season for them, and people are losing family members to this very abruptly right during their holidays.



Very much true, unfortunately for us on the rest of the world, we have to count on China to get accurate information on this... after this gets filtered and approved by the Communist party and or politburo. No independent institutions over there to actually get us an accurate picture of the situation.


Absolutely, I've been watching this from the start because of the Chinese government's suspicious attempts to minimize talk about the outbreak. However, this time around there's not only been global pressure from the outside, but calls from actual communist party leadership and editorials in state run media saying that it would be a huge embarrassment for the PRC to drop the ball on this. The pressure is internal this time as well, so hopefully they truly put in their best effort this time even though it's looking pretty difficult to contain at this point.


Update: unconfirmed but rumor has it that China has now quarantined the entire city of Wuhan. There have been talks of this for a couple of days so this wouldn't come as a surprise. There's a reason why yesterday their media was strongly advising people to cancel their plans to travel to Wuhan.


CCP did try to downplay things initially, including arresting people for spreading "false information" back on Jan. 1st. But I guess CCP realized that it is good for nobody to keep hiding things and become more transparent.

EDIT:
They're indeed more or less "quarantining" Wuhan:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/wuhan-s ... -says.html

All public transport, including flights, trains, and buses (both short and long distance) to/from Wuhan will be suspended from 10am tomorrow.
 
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Per multiple news report and also Chinese state media...
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51215348
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/22/wuhan-s ... -says.html

Beginning 10am (Chinese Time) tomorrow, all public transport, including flights, will be suspended to/from Wuhan (WUH) in an effort to contain the coronavirus outbreak.

(Mods: If you feel that this is duplicated with the thread in non-av, feel free to delete it).

Per some online discussions elsewhere, highways going to/from Wuhan are also closed down already.
 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 7:58 pm

It is high time the Chinese government bans unsanitary (live) animal markets. Please come live in the 21st century instead of the Middle Ages.

zakuivcustom wrote:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047099/china-confirms-9-dead-coronavirus-and-440-infected

And the death toll jumps to 9, with more and more cases reported


Death toll now at 17.
 
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Crazy to think that Wuhan is a metro area of 19M people.
 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:30 pm

Is this going to do a lot to stop the spread? The virus is already outside of China's borders and in many of its major cities. I'd love to hear someone's opinion who is well informed on the spread of infectious diseases and preventing such spreading.

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Wonder this means in dollar terms to the Chinese aviation sector, particularly coming into the New Year holiday period.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 9:46 pm

So Wuhan is effective under quarantine, as all public transport will be cancelled.

I am following the story since first information have popped up regarding an outbreak of new unknown disease with pneumonia on this market in Wuhan; and I have hoped, it is no coronavirus. It is.

Till now, the mortality rate seems to be low (in comparison with SARS and MERS).
 
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They've tracked it to a food market, so possibly the same animal source as SARS

https://news.yahoo.com/menu-china-virus ... 50959.html
 
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smokeybandit wrote:
They've tracked it to a food market, so possibly the same animal source as SARS

https://news.yahoo.com/menu-china-virus ... 50959.html


The new Wuhan coronavirus is in the same sub-sub family of coronavirusses as SARS.

The reservoir animals for SARS seems to be bats in China. It seems it has spread from the bats to the civet cat and than to humans.

Will be interesting to see, which wild animals are listed and sold as meat on this market, perhaps bats?
 
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Crazy to think that Wuhan is a metro area of 19M people.
Plenty of huge Chinese cities.
 
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catiii wrote:
Crazy to think that Wuhan is a metro area of 19M people.
Plenty of huge Chinese cities.


Yeah, but my point they quarantined from a population standpoint the equivalent of NYC, Long Island, Westchester/Rockland/Putnam counties, and most of New Jersey. It’s an amazing amount of people to lockdown.
 
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catiii wrote:
moa999 wrote:
catiii wrote:
Crazy to think that Wuhan is a metro area of 19M people.
Plenty of huge Chinese cities.


Yeah, but my point they quarantined from a population standpoint the equivalent of NYC, Long Island, Westchester/Rockland/Putnam counties, and most of New Jersey. It’s an amazing amount of people to lockdown.


Goes beyond Wuhan population, actually. I have a colleague in Shanghai, who intended to visit family in Wuhan vicinity during Spring Festival/New Year Holiday this week. Due to the outbreak, she stays put in Shanghai.
I wonder how many of those additional stories are out there -- not only people going out of Wuhan, but also people going to Wuhan.

NYC analogy actually applies, as comings and goings are also quite massive. I would even say something like "lockdown of NYC during Thanksgiving" is a fitting analogy.
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catiii wrote:
moa999 wrote:
Plenty of huge Chinese cities.


Yeah, but my point they quarantined from a population standpoint the equivalent of NYC, Long Island, Westchester/Rockland/Putnam counties, and most of New Jersey. It’s an amazing amount of people to lockdown.


Goes beyond Wuhan population, actually. I have a colleague in Shanghai, who intended to visit family in Wuhan vicinity during Spring Festival/New Year Holiday this week. Due to the outbreak, she stays put in Shanghai.
I wonder how many of those additional stories are out there -- not only people going out of Wuhan, but also people going to Wuhan.
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No-one being let out of or into Wuhan. That has been pretty clear now for the last 12-13 hours...so not unique to your colleague's situation. Essentially, Wuhan is on lockdown....effectively quarantined from the rest of China. Whether this is too little too late remains to be seen.

BTW, people are quoting the Wuhan metro area population as being around 19 million. The information I have seen is that the metro population is 7-8 million. What am I missing?
 
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There were nearly 300K people getting out of Wuhan by railway last day. The suspension should be done earlier.
 
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A bit too late. Closing the stable when the infected cows are gone. Hopefully they will trace every sick one. Or we all are doomed. See movie " contagion"
 
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BTW, people are quoting the Wuhan metro area population as being around 19 million. The information I have seen is that the metro population is 7-8 million. What am I missing?

Wikipedia says Urban 8.9m, Metro 19m. Per https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/urban-rural-and-regional-development/oecd-urban-policy-reviews-china-2015_9789264230040-en#page39
 
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Dieuwer wrote:
It is high time the Chinese government bans unsanitary (live) animal markets. Please come live in the 21st century instead of the Middle Ages.

zakuivcustom wrote:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047099/china-confirms-9-dead-coronavirus-and-440-infected

And the death toll jumps to 9, with more and more cases reported


Death toll now at 17.


I believe the practice they were engaging in is already illegal, just not enforced. They will probably enforce it from now on.

http://3g.dxy.cn/newh5/view/pneumonia

Numbers stopped increasing exponentially. Wuhan was quarantined. I get what's happening right now. They couldn't test everyone efficiently to contain the outbreak in other provinces, which is critical to containment. So they quarantined the city that's a lost cause in terms of containment so they don't have to test them anymore and can divert resources to the new cases elsewhere. They can also now release mild cases from hospital quarantine and make space for those at risk of dying from severe illness. It makes things a lot simpler for them. Hopefully they plan on sending supplies in...

However, now we will probably never know the true case count and death toll in Wuhan, but it's a surprisingly sensible trade off. The PRC gets to minimize the outbreak publicity by suppressing the numbers while doing more to contain it at the same time.

Also, I think quarantining a city with a higher population than some countries is completely unprecedented.
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There appears to be only 2 provinces/autonomous regions left without confirmed or suspected cases in all of china now. Tibet and Qinghai. Perhaps the virus hates high altitudes?

I like how that map doesn't say Taiwan province anymore, it's like they dropped "province" just to satisfy my outrage! But they dropped it from everything and "City". China's doing ok at being PC apparently.
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Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:16 am

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And you are still trying to defend things even though the outbreak is on?
Seriously, more and more cases are being confirmed, and it is already known that the virus is highly contagious, yet you still just think it is nothing to worried about?
The bottom line is, nobody knows how deadly this virus is as-is. Is it like SARS where even normally healthy people in 20s/30s get killed by it? Or is it more similar to flu epidemic? Nobody knows. But hey, taking precautions is "overworrying" and "freaking out"?
BTW, first confirmed case in both Macau and HK today. The latter was somebody that came from Wuhan to transit to a flight to MNL (with his family being on the flight to MNL).


The outbreak was always going to be on. If you thought this virus would die down after a week, or it would limit itself to a city of 11 million and an important transport hub, or single digit people are going to pass away, then you are incredibly naive. I really don't think the same virus was to first establish itself in Chicago, Frankfurt or Rio, that we will be faring much better.
We do know that the virus tends to kill older an frail people, and younger people tend to be affected less. I never discouraged people to take cautions-in fact I suggest just that. I was talking about some hysteria on here-like one member suggested this is somehow going to lead to the end of JL and NH's 763 fleet. But then why read people's post properly when you can make stuff up?
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How can they seal off a city of 11 million? with a larger transit system than NYC?
Apparently, Chinese authorities “have drawn a line around this city and said, ‘No one in and no one out.

Sounds to me that they are trying very hard to isolate the spread of this disease.
 
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DLFREEBIRD wrote:
How can they seal off a city of 11 million? with a larger transit system than NYC?
Apparently, Chinese authorities “have drawn a line around this city and said, ‘No one in and no one out.

Sounds to me that they are trying very hard to isolate the spread of this disease.


The perks of being an authoritarian government. Government says they do it, they just do it. With the military's help of course.


Also, word is they're closing off another nearby and cutting transit to yet another but not full quarantining that one. All in Hubei.
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This is a disease that emerged in December, has only been recognized since 3 weeks ago, and is far outpacing SARS in infection rates. It also is killing more than it was initially, showing that it is adapting. You're already being proven wrong, so you double down.

The death toll has risen to 17 now, that map I linked to stays updated. The number of infected is rising now with each refresh. 549 confirmed infections at this time. As someone who watches the geographic spread of influenza each season this is actually covering more ground in a shorter period of time and is killing a lot more per infected people. We've now notched up to a 3% case fatality rate. It's still increasing.


Also 2% is perfectly horrifying, ffs. If you work with 100+ people, it's not hard to imagine a workplace outbreak(which happens all the time) in which everyone gets sick, and 2 people ends up dying. People are upset when one person dies for expected and normal reasons. Then add to that the fact that over 20% of people are getting sick enough to require hospitalization. I'm a smoker, I'd probably be hospitalized.

...I'm an American with health insurance, I can't afford 2+ weeks in the hospital either.


I have been proven wrong? Like when I suggested it is ridiculous to link viral mutation to a death toll rise from 4 to 6?

You still don't understand basic concepts of epidemiology, as evidenced from your "1.5% of 7.7 billion" comments. The ~500 cases were people who actually had symptoms and either presented or was traced. The real number of infected people are more likely an order of magnitude higher because many do not present due to difficulty of accessing medical attention (there is by and large no family doctor/general practioner in China). The number of people who came into contact with virus but never got sick are even higher. If you put an infected person into an office of 100, you are not going to get 100% infectivity. If it is a flu-like virus, and it is 100 young to middle aged people who are otherwise reasonably healthy, you are probably end up with no death. If you imagine the same scenario in a nursing home, you are going to end up with more like 5-10 deaths. If you smoke, it is your own issue and you have yourself to blame in a respiratory epidemic. As things stand you have a much higher chance of catching a "conventional" virus and stay in hospital because of that.

What the Chinese people (and people from other developing country) need to do, is to live and let live. Stop destroying the habitat of wildlife or worse still, eat them for food. If they keep doing that, this kind of outbreak will just keep happening, like HIV and Ebola.
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Jouhou wrote:
This is a disease that emerged in December, has only been recognized since 3 weeks ago, and is far outpacing SARS in infection rates. It also is killing more than it was initially, showing that it is adapting. You're already being proven wrong, so you double down.

The death toll has risen to 17 now, that map I linked to stays updated. The number of infected is rising now with each refresh. 549 confirmed infections at this time. As someone who watches the geographic spread of influenza each season this is actually covering more ground in a shorter period of time and is killing a lot more per infected people. We've now notched up to a 3% case fatality rate. It's still increasing.


Also 2% is perfectly horrifying, ffs. If you work with 100+ people, it's not hard to imagine a workplace outbreak(which happens all the time) in which everyone gets sick, and 2 people ends up dying. People are upset when one person dies for expected and normal reasons. Then add to that the fact that over 20% of people are getting sick enough to require hospitalization. I'm a smoker, I'd probably be hospitalized.

...I'm an American with health insurance, I can't afford 2+ weeks in the hospital either.


I have been proven wrong? Like when I suggested it is ridiculous to link viral mutation to a death toll rise from 4 to 6?

You still don't understand basic concepts of epidemiology, as evidenced from your "1.5% of 7.7 billion" comments. The ~500 cases were people who actually had symptoms and either presented or was traced. The real number of infected people are more likely an order of magnitude higher because many do not present due to difficulty of accessing medical attention (there is by and large no family doctor/general practioner in China). The number of people who came into contact with virus but never got sick are even higher. If you put an infected person into an office of 100, you are not going to get 100% infectivity. If it is a flu-like virus, and it is 100 young to middle aged people who are otherwise reasonably healthy, you are probably end up with no death. If you imagine the same scenario in a nursing home, you are going to end up with more like 5-10 deaths. If you smoke, it is your own issue and you have yourself to blame in a respiratory epidemic. As things stand you have a much higher chance of catching a "conventional" virus and stay in hospital because of that.

What the Chinese people (and people from other developing country) need to do, is to live and let live. Stop destroying the habitat of wildlife or worse still, eat them for food. If they keep doing that, this kind of outbreak will just keep happening, like HIV and Ebola.


No conventional virus behaves like this one. Knock it off with that weird comparison. It's infectivity now appears higher than influenza while deadlier. Look at the damn maps. Thats faster than flu. Flu has a far smaller case fatality rate. No way you can spin that.
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Thu Jan 23, 2020 11:59 am

Jouhou wrote:
Cerecl wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
This is a disease that emerged in December, has only been recognized since 3 weeks ago, and is far outpacing SARS in infection rates. It also is killing more than it was initially, showing that it is adapting. You're already being proven wrong, so you double down.

The death toll has risen to 17 now, that map I linked to stays updated. The number of infected is rising now with each refresh. 549 confirmed infections at this time. As someone who watches the geographic spread of influenza each season this is actually covering more ground in a shorter period of time and is killing a lot more per infected people. We've now notched up to a 3% case fatality rate. It's still increasing.


Also 2% is perfectly horrifying, ffs. If you work with 100+ people, it's not hard to imagine a workplace outbreak(which happens all the time) in which everyone gets sick, and 2 people ends up dying. People are upset when one person dies for expected and normal reasons. Then add to that the fact that over 20% of people are getting sick enough to require hospitalization. I'm a smoker, I'd probably be hospitalized.

...I'm an American with health insurance, I can't afford 2+ weeks in the hospital either.


I have been proven wrong? Like when I suggested it is ridiculous to link viral mutation to a death toll rise from 4 to 6?

You still don't understand basic concepts of epidemiology, as evidenced from your "1.5% of 7.7 billion" comments. The ~500 cases were people who actually had symptoms and either presented or was traced. The real number of infected people are more likely an order of magnitude higher because many do not present due to difficulty of accessing medical attention (there is by and large no family doctor/general practioner in China). The number of people who came into contact with virus but never got sick are even higher. If you put an infected person into an office of 100, you are not going to get 100% infectivity. If it is a flu-like virus, and it is 100 young to middle aged people who are otherwise reasonably healthy, you are probably end up with no death. If you imagine the same scenario in a nursing home, you are going to end up with more like 5-10 deaths. If you smoke, it is your own issue and you have yourself to blame in a respiratory epidemic. As things stand you have a much higher chance of catching a "conventional" virus and stay in hospital because of that.

What the Chinese people (and people from other developing country) need to do, is to live and let live. Stop destroying the habitat of wildlife or worse still, eat them for food. If they keep doing that, this kind of outbreak will just keep happening, like HIV and Ebola.


No conventional virus behaves like this one. Knock it off with that weird comparison. It's infectivity now appears higher than influenza while deadlier. Look at the damn maps. Thats faster than flu. Flu has a far smaller case fatality rate. No way you can spin that.


I seriously don't get anyone that still argue that things are not bad even now!

If it is not highly contagious, spread so quickly, and also quite deadly, why does China quarantine a city of 11M people??? China does that basically to protect everyone else (including, well, Beijing where those CCP cronies sit).
 
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/23/worl ... e=Homepage

it's official three cities have now been quarantined.
 
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Medicine and health is not my forte

Well, at least your have insight.

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I have to give it to the PC crowd, claiming the FLU kills more people. Yeah, the FLU which actually has a cure. Yet we have here some sort of contagion from a virus your only survival depends on your immune system. Talk about kids or the elderly, which they might be the most affected if this goes and possibly wiped out if it spreads.

Newsflash: Your survival against most if not all respiratory viruses depends on your immune system only. Flu definitely will kill more people than this "contagion", no "claiming" required unless you don't believe CDC. Anti-viral helps to some extent with infection of some strain of influenza A, but do not reduce mortality. So far this virus behaves exactly like your common flu. picking off selectively frail, immunocompromised and elderly people. About the only thing you got right in your post is you capitalised FLU, which is a huge health problem that occurs every year, despite the availability of an annual vaccine. Still think it is PC?

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The communist regime of China, being weak as they since they are dictatorship, will try to calm the waters by downplaying the statistics and saying they have everything under control. Here is hoping all flights coming from China be screened, no matter what region of China they come from.

Donald, Is that you?
This weak dictatorial communist regime just shut down the entire city after 17 deaths. Tell me, do you think the US government will do the same if a similar event occurred in LA? Do you even know how many cases were reported outside Wuhan?
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Flu has a far smaller case fatality rate. No way you can spin that.

And you base your assertion on?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/index.html
I will take average values-470k hospitalisation, ~35K death. Now you have ~500 hospitalised, 17 passed away with this virus. You are not going to think there are only 500 people who got infected so far, are you? I will even give you that out of the ~500 cases not all of them would be hospitalised if they caught a "conventional" virus. Still appears to be in the same ballpark to me.
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Looks like the stable door is bolted but not a sign of the horse.
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I seriously don't get anyone that still argue that things are not bad even now!

If it is not highly contagious, spread so quickly, and also quite deadly, why does China quarantine a city of 11M people??? China does that basically to protect everyone else (including, well, Beijing where those CCP cronies sit).


Of course things are bad, any new viral outbreak is bad. But Northern Hemisphere goes through bad viral season this time of the year, every year. It is just not largely limited to one city, like this one, presenting an opportunity to limit its impact.
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AirWorthy99 wrote:
Medicine and health is not my forte

Well, at least your have insight.

AirWorthy99 wrote:
I have to give it to the PC crowd, claiming the FLU kills more people. Yeah, the FLU which actually has a cure. Yet we have here some sort of contagion from a virus your only survival depends on your immune system. Talk about kids or the elderly, which they might be the most affected if this goes and possibly wiped out if it spreads.

Newsflash: Your survival against most if not all respiratory viruses depends on your immune system only. Flu definitely will kill more people than this "contagion", no "claiming" required unless you don't believe CDC. Anti-viral helps to some extent with infection of some strain of influenza A, but do not reduce mortality. So far this virus behaves exactly like your common flu. picking off selectively frail, immunocompromised and elderly people. About the only thing you got right in your post is you capitalised FLU, which is a huge health problem that occurs every year, despite the availability of an annual vaccine. Still think it is PC?

AirWorthy99 wrote:
The communist regime of China, being weak as they since they are dictatorship, will try to calm the waters by downplaying the statistics and saying they have everything under control. Here is hoping all flights coming from China be screened, no matter what region of China they come from.

Donald, Is that you?
This weak dictatorial communist regime just shut down the entire city after 17 deaths. Tell me, do you think the US government will do the same if a similar event occurred in LA? Do you even know how many cases were reported outside Wuhan?


I find it amazing that despite the WHO and not even the CDC knowing full well exactly how this disease is you are so confident that this is equivalent to the FLU. Not even China has said anything concrete and clear regarding this, do you have some insider info on the ground in China?

Everything we know by now is just the things China is letting the world know.

You have confidence in China good, go to sleep on it confident that they have it under control.
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Re: Flights to/from Wuhan (WUH) Suspended

Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:35 pm

Additional to Wuhan, two other cities have/will now been cut of from public transport system in China.
Huanggang at midnight
Ezhou (seems already cut of)
Both cities are near/next to Wuhan.

All three cities are metropolis > 1 million.

Source in German, News ticker.
https://www.merkur.de/welt/coronavirus-china-lungenkrankheit-usa-uebertragung-ansteckung-deutschland-zr-13452828.html

Possibly/likely just to take care, that people from Wuhan metropolis will not just travel from Wuhan to the next city nearby (all less than 100 km) and to start their New year travel from there.
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