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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 7:26 am

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When has Bernie directly called anyone racist? Twitter trolls don't count and the idea of Bernie Bros being white men has been debunked as he polls the lowest with white men of any age.
The most antagonist thing that he has said in recent weeks is that he called James Carville a political hack. Yet Chuck Todd used a very anti-Semitic term, calling Bernie supporters Brown Shirts.



Bernie calls Trump racist constantly. Put "Bernie Sanders calls trump racist" in search engine on youtube and you will get pages of videos. I find it ironic that Bernie and his #1 campaign guy Jeff Weaver use the most inflammatory hateful rhetoric and then say they are conducting civil discourse. It's so ridiculous its just good we get 4 years till we have to hear them pontificate again when they run in 2024.


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Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:21 am

NIKV69 wrote:
StarAC17 wrote:



When has Bernie directly called anyone racist? Twitter trolls don't count and the idea of Bernie Bros being white men has been debunked as he polls the lowest with white men of any age.
The most antagonist thing that he has said in recent weeks is that he called James Carville a political hack. Yet Chuck Todd used a very anti-Semitic term, calling Bernie supporters Brown Shirts.



Bernie calls Trump racist constantly. Put "Bernie Sanders calls trump racist" in search engine on youtube and you will get pages of videos. I find it ironic that Bernie and his #1 campaign guy Jeff Weaver use the most inflammatory hateful rhetoric and then say they are conducting civil discourse. It's so ridiculous its just good we get 4 years till we have to hear them pontificate again when they run in 2024.


Bloomberg on the debate stage tomorrow night! Can't wait!


45 has set himself up for a wild debate stage no matter how things go. It’s too bad the RNC doesn’t have the balls to primary him like they should have if they really wanted to stay in power with someone like Haley.

Buttigieg cracked Erin Burnett right up today on debating ‘family values’ with 45 - hilarious moment at 7:40:

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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:01 pm

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Bernie showed that he could almost get 50% of the pledged delegates against Hillary & the Empire, imagine running against that machine. But that really means that 25% of the total voters were in for Bernie (D + I + R). Can Bernie bring those Hill16 voters out in 20 and vote for him, if 10% or more of the Hill16 voters stay home. If Bernie is shut out this time and runs 3rd party, it will split the vote.


If Bernie is shut out again, that would be irrelevant. His supporters will either vote for Trump or stay home.
 
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:25 pm

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Bernie calls Trump racist constantly.


That's because Trump IS a racist, duh...
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:36 pm

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I'm tired of seeing all the Mike Bloomberg ads on tv.


That’s called FU money, and yeah. Jesus. :white:


We have Republican courts upholding Citizens United to thank for that!


It’s his own money. He can flush it down the toilet if he wants. I just wish he’d stop for the sake of humanity.
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:38 pm

Its pretty amazing what the Democrats have gone to do, they are about to nominate a socialist for president.

The democrat party will be officially the: Sanders-Omar-Tlaib-AOC party. Good luck on the down-ballot races.

ON all seriousness, this will not only not be good for the democrats, but bad for the country as well. The standard bearer of the Democrats will be an extremist leftist, which without any doubt will take the country more the left, which is not good for the most of us and the world.

The real question is after the possible upcoming defeat, where would the democrat party go? more to the left? or bring itself back to the middle? Here is hoping they go back to their senses and back to the middle.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:47 pm

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Its pretty amazing what the Democrats have gone to do, they are about to nominate a socialist for president.

The democrat party will be officially the: Sanders-Omar-Tlaib-AOC party. Good luck on the down-ballot races.

ON all seriousness, this will not only not be good for the democrats, but bad for the country as well. The standard bearer of the Democrats will be an extremist leftist, which without any doubt will take the country more the left, which is not good for the most of us and the world.

The real question is after the possible upcoming defeat, where would the democrat party go? more to the left? or bring itself back to the middle? Here is hoping they go back to their senses and back to the middle.


Socialist who as one of three branches of government won’t actually be able to institute socialism or four more seasons of ‘Crime Family’..?? I know which one most level-headed Americans would choose - especially if they aren’t failed patriots.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:53 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Its pretty amazing what the Democrats have gone to do, they are about to nominate a socialist for president.

The democrat party will be officially the: Sanders-Omar-Tlaib-AOC party. Good luck on the down-ballot races.

ON all seriousness, this will not only not be good for the democrats, but bad for the country as well. The standard bearer of the Democrats will be an extremist leftist, which without any doubt will take the country more the left, which is not good for the most of us and the world.

The real question is after the possible upcoming defeat, where would the democrat party go? more to the left? or bring itself back to the middle? Here is hoping they go back to their senses and back to the middle.


Socialist who as one of three branches of government won’t actually be able to institute socialism or four more seasons of ‘Crime Family’..?? I know which one most level-headed Americans would choose - especially if they aren’t failed patriots.


Yes, check and balances. But remember Obama saying he has "a pen and a phone to rule the world".

Bernie will have two options, abuse executive power to push his socialist agenda, or become a lame duck president since he won't get almost nothing significant he promised thru congress. I think he would take his chances with the first option and then the courts will take him back (will take time).
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:04 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Its pretty amazing what the Democrats have gone to do, they are about to nominate a socialist for president.

The democrat party will be officially the: Sanders-Omar-Tlaib-AOC party. Good luck on the down-ballot races.

ON all seriousness, this will not only not be good for the democrats, but bad for the country as well. The standard bearer of the Democrats will be an extremist leftist, which without any doubt will take the country more the left, which is not good for the most of us and the world.

The real question is after the possible upcoming defeat, where would the democrat party go? more to the left? or bring itself back to the middle? Here is hoping they go back to their senses and back to the middle.


Socialist who as one of three branches of government won’t actually be able to institute socialism or four more seasons of ‘Crime Family’..?? I know which one most level-headed Americans would choose - especially if they aren’t failed patriots.


Yes, check and balances. But remember Obama saying he has "a pen and a phone to rule the world".

Bernie will have two options, abuse executive power to push his socialist agenda, or become a lame duck president since he won't get almost nothing significant he promised thru congress. I think he would take his chances with the first option and then the courts will take him back (will take time).


An almost entirely non sequitur response. Nobody is talking about 44 or what Sanders would do with his office - just whether or not level-headed Americans would choose another four seasons of the Crime Family show. Interesting that you didn’t bother disputing they are already on the hook for crimes.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:09 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Socialist who as one of three branches of government won’t actually be able to institute socialism or four more seasons of ‘Crime Family’..?? I know which one most level-headed Americans would choose - especially if they aren’t failed patriots.


Yes, check and balances. But remember Obama saying he has "a pen and a phone to rule the world".

Bernie will have two options, abuse executive power to push his socialist agenda, or become a lame duck president since he won't get almost nothing significant he promised thru congress. I think he would take his chances with the first option and then the courts will take him back (will take time).


An almost entirely non sequitur response. Nobody is talking about 44 or what Sanders would do with his office - just whether or not level-headed Americans would choose another four seasons of the Crime Family show. Interesting that you didn’t bother disputing they are already on the hook for crimes.


Level-headed Americans are not glued to cable news, they go to work every day, trying to make ends meet. They will be presented with two options, and I doubt they will look into morals and judgment when they compare Trump and Sanders. Both have a lot of history of controversial statements and the good thing for Trump, we have almost 5 years listening to them fed by the MSM, so most of voters already know. You need to get those who voted for him to vote for Sanders, quite a difficult task considering they will have to be convinced to vote for Sanders and why he is 'better' than Trump.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:14 pm

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DarkSnowyNight wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
So, your doctor and nurse are villains?


Neither said nor implied. This is evident based on the fact that one here is discussing the removal of Doctors or Nurses.


If you going to reduce medical costs, you’re not doing it on “waste” or trimming insurance companies overhead. The big money is in medical professionals, hospitals, pharmaceuticals. Just the MLR ration says if you cut all the non-medical costs, we’d still spend much more than anyone else.


You can take out medical professionals from there. Paying doctors and nurses account for less than 10% of healthcare costs and this has been repeatedly shown in multiple studies.

Pharmaceuticals, administrative costs, hospitalization, dialysis, and nursing facility care is what takes the lions share. Cutting professionals' salary will only drive people out of the market and worsen the shortage.

Real change would be to simplify the reimbursement system, force efficiency on the part of nursing facilities, and allowing Medicare to negotiate drug pricing would help tremendously. The last part has been advocated for years but the drug lobby is too strong.
 
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:21 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

Yes, check and balances. But remember Obama saying he has "a pen and a phone to rule the world".

Bernie will have two options, abuse executive power to push his socialist agenda, or become a lame duck president since he won't get almost nothing significant he promised thru congress. I think he would take his chances with the first option and then the courts will take him back (will take time).


An almost entirely non sequitur response. Nobody is talking about 44 or what Sanders would do with his office - just whether or not level-headed Americans would choose another four seasons of the Crime Family show. Interesting that you didn’t bother disputing they are already on the hook for crimes.


Level-headed Americans are not glued to cable news, they go to work every day, trying to make ends meet. They will be presented with two options, and I doubt they will look into morals and judgment when they compare Trump and Sanders. Both have a lot of history of controversial statements and the good thing for Trump, we have almost 5 years listening to them fed by the MSM, so most of voters already know. You need to get those who voted for him to vote for Sanders, quite a difficult task considering they will have to be convinced to vote for Sanders and why he is 'better' than Trump.


It’s not as difficult as you think. Sanders isn’t chasing your beloved ‘identity politics’, so there’s no cross to bear there - his game is clear to all. As shown to you in the Morning Consult polling data a couple pages back, 45’s approval rating has dropped 10-20% in several states he has no business losing support in if things are going as well as ya’ll claim. NV, KS, CO, MI, WI, GA, AZ etc. His base voters of purple state white men over 45 and everyone over 60 in red states will definitely turn out, but they’ll be up against young people everywhere and suburban/professional women.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:31 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

An almost entirely non sequitur response. Nobody is talking about 44 or what Sanders would do with his office - just whether or not level-headed Americans would choose another four seasons of the Crime Family show. Interesting that you didn’t bother disputing they are already on the hook for crimes.


Level-headed Americans are not glued to cable news, they go to work every day, trying to make ends meet. They will be presented with two options, and I doubt they will look into morals and judgment when they compare Trump and Sanders. Both have a lot of history of controversial statements and the good thing for Trump, we have almost 5 years listening to them fed by the MSM, so most of voters already know. You need to get those who voted for him to vote for Sanders, quite a difficult task considering they will have to be convinced to vote for Sanders and why he is 'better' than Trump.


It’s not as difficult as you think. Sanders isn’t chasing your beloved ‘identity politics’, so there’s no cross to bear there - his game is clear to all. As shown to you in the Morning Consult polling data a couple pages back, 45’s approval rating has dropped 10-20% in several states he has no business losing support in if things are going as well as ya’ll claim. NV, KS, CO, MI, WI, GA, AZ etc. His base voters of purple state white men over 45 and everyone over 60 in red states will definitely turn out, but they’ll be up against young people everywhere and suburban/professional women.


If you had a moderate or close to moderate candidate, you would have had some precedent into what is coming in November. But no, we will have a far left socialist as a candidate, something completely unknown in the history of the US presidential elections. So Sanders is a big unknown at this point that certainly is going to have a tough time winning independents.

What is known is what Trump is and what he has said, which still made him win in 2016... after this we have this economy, no new wars, homeland is safe. People will judge based on that. The rest of the fringe will vote for the party they already vote their entire life. Lets see.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:50 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:

Level-headed Americans are not glued to cable news, they go to work every day, trying to make ends meet. They will be presented with two options, and I doubt they will look into morals and judgment when they compare Trump and Sanders. Both have a lot of history of controversial statements and the good thing for Trump, we have almost 5 years listening to them fed by the MSM, so most of voters already know. You need to get those who voted for him to vote for Sanders, quite a difficult task considering they will have to be convinced to vote for Sanders and why he is 'better' than Trump.


It’s not as difficult as you think. Sanders isn’t chasing your beloved ‘identity politics’, so there’s no cross to bear there - his game is clear to all. As shown to you in the Morning Consult polling data a couple pages back, 45’s approval rating has dropped 10-20% in several states he has no business losing support in if things are going as well as ya’ll claim. NV, KS, CO, MI, WI, GA, AZ etc. His base voters of purple state white men over 45 and everyone over 60 in red states will definitely turn out, but they’ll be up against young people everywhere and suburban/professional women.


If you had a moderate or close to moderate candidate, you would have had some precedent into what is coming in November. But no, we will have a far left socialist as a candidate, something completely unknown in the history of the US presidential elections. So Sanders is a big unknown at this point that certainly is going to have a tough time winning independents.

What is known is what Trump is and what he has said, which still made him win in 2016... after this we have this economy, no new wars, homeland is safe. People will judge based on that. The rest of the fringe will vote for the party they already vote their entire life. Lets see.


The silly economy claims by the WH are going to be fact-checked to death by November. It’s going to be a shitshow defending them on the debate stage. And this year’s numbers probably aren’t going to help either.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:55 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

It’s not as difficult as you think. Sanders isn’t chasing your beloved ‘identity politics’, so there’s no cross to bear there - his game is clear to all. As shown to you in the Morning Consult polling data a couple pages back, 45’s approval rating has dropped 10-20% in several states he has no business losing support in if things are going as well as ya’ll claim. NV, KS, CO, MI, WI, GA, AZ etc. His base voters of purple state white men over 45 and everyone over 60 in red states will definitely turn out, but they’ll be up against young people everywhere and suburban/professional women.


If you had a moderate or close to moderate candidate, you would have had some precedent into what is coming in November. But no, we will have a far left socialist as a candidate, something completely unknown in the history of the US presidential elections. So Sanders is a big unknown at this point that certainly is going to have a tough time winning independents.

What is known is what Trump is and what he has said, which still made him win in 2016... after this we have this economy, no new wars, homeland is safe. People will judge based on that. The rest of the fringe will vote for the party they already vote their entire life. Lets see.


The silly economy claims by the WH are going to be fact-checked to death by November. It’s going to be a shitshow defending them on the debate stage. And this year’s numbers probably aren’t going to help either.


There is no need to fact-check. Americans who feel better about their lives and their economy will be the ones voting, those who aren't will vote too. So even if you dislike the economic numbers or just don't believe them, that means that either you are hurting and is not helping you, or you already have your mind set on voting against Trump and for a socialist.

I have said before, I did not vote for Trump in 2016. But now I will since I have liked most of his policies and achievements except the deficit (hasn't done much about it). The man has many issues, his tweeting? yes I dislike all of that, but given the choice of him and a far left candidate, I have to vote for him. And you can count me as a new Trump voter, so we have to see how many of those who voted for him in 2016 aren't doing it again, Bernie needs them.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:12 pm

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There is no need to fact-check. Americans who feel better about their lives and their economy will be the ones voting,



But not for your guy.

Obviously you are just trolling anyway, but the unvarnished truth is that people who are happy with things -any things- are not voting orange. I do not know if you circulate (or know what that means), but your typical MAGA is a below average income racist of roughly average IQ who is desperate for validation.

This is literally why they vote that way; the ability to identify with a given politician is probably an entirely new experience for that type. For them, trump is living out their -admittedly sad- fantasies. They are not interested in concepts like moderate politics, deal making, intellectual honesty (intellectual anything, really) or anything that looks like a financially and socially healthy existence. These are people who want everyone to be as miserable and lonely as they are. You just do not vote for a guy like that unless that is how you see the world.

Anyway, you needed someone to take the thirty or so seconds to point out how obvious that is.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:22 pm

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JayinKitsap wrote:
Bernie showed that he could almost get 50% of the pledged delegates against Hillary & the Empire, imagine running against that machine. But that really means that 25% of the total voters were in for Bernie (D + I + R). Can Bernie bring those Hill16 voters out in 20 and vote for him, if 10% or more of the Hill16 voters stay home. If Bernie is shut out this time and runs 3rd party, it will split the vote.


If Bernie is shut out again, that would be irrelevant. His supporters will either vote for Trump or stay home.


Actually if Bloomberg tries to steal it and Bernie has the most delegates they will get very violent.

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Bernie calls Trump racist constantly.


That's because Trump IS a racist, duh...


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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:29 pm

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AirWorthy99 wrote:

There is no need to fact-check. Americans who feel better about their lives and their economy will be the ones voting,



But not for your guy.

Obviously you are just trolling anyway, but the unvarnished truth is that people who are happy with things -any things- are not voting orange. I do not know if you circulate (or know what that means), but your typical MAGA is a below average income racist of roughly average IQ who is desperate for validation.

This is literally why they vote that way; the ability to identify with a given politician is probably an entirely new experience for that type. For them, trump is living out their -admittedly sad- fantasies. They are not interested in concepts like moderate politics, deal making, intellectual honesty (intellectual anything, really) or anything that looks like a financially and socially healthy existence. These are people who want everyone to be as miserable and lonely as they are. You just do not vote for a guy like that unless that is how you see the world.

Anyway, you needed someone to take the thirty or so seconds to point out how obvious that is.


Its unfortunate that Trump is the only politician stupid enough to say publicly what the other politicians say privately and therefore you get to brand everyone who votes for him to 'support' all of the 'things' he says.

You have Bloomberg saying privately to his liberal rich friends things what Trump says publicly but he gets a pass and is kept as being intellectually better than Trump only because is running on the democrat party. https://www.aspendailynews.com/news/asp ... 73403.html

The list can go all the way down with the politicians you worship, just that they are smarter than Trump because they say it behind closed doors.

Americans know that all politicians are hypocrites and they just put on a nice face to get votes, even those who are in the rural areas and you brand as low IQ understand that better than your typical college educated city living voters.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:37 pm

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Actually if Bloomberg tries to steal it and Bernie has the most delegates they will get very violent


Being a true socialist there should be no reason to get upset about contributing all the hard work required to obtain those delegates to somebody else.

That is called Socialism.

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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:58 pm

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because is running on the democrat party.


Is deliberately misspelling that supposed to be some badge of populist sidewalk cred? I see you people doing this all the time. And while it would not be out of character for you to be completely unaware of a pretty major detail like that, I am genuinely curious. . .


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The list can go all the way down with the politicians you worship, just that they are smarter than Trump because they say it behind closed doors.


Apart from the MAGAs and a few people with Kennedy fixations, I do not know anyone who worships politicians. I will let you decide if you are projecting or trolling there.

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Americans know that all politicians are hypocrites and they just put on a nice face to get votes, even those who are in the rural areas and you brand as low IQ understand that better than your typical college educated city living voters.


A. Politicians = hypocrites? Maybe, but, who cares? I know for a fact you do not have a better alternative, so this is a pointless thing to bring up.

B. And I cannot stress this enough... I do not know where you learned to consolidate your thoughts. But with a post that relies heavily on emotive speculation and poorly constructed dissimilar and non-like comparisons, it is clear that you will never be able to mount an effective argument that you are aware, at all, of what educated people think. City Dwelling or otherwise...
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:16 pm

I was hoping this thread would be a more civil discussion about the way the 2020 Democratic primary would play out, but it seems like its gone down the road of the usual name calling from the usual suspects. Anyways there is a Debate tonight and Bloomberg will be in it. I suspect he will be the primary target of everyone even though Bernie is the clear front runner despite what the media reports. Bloomberg has taken a lot of heat on both sides, with everyone from Bernie Sanders to Tucker Carlson saying (and rightly so) that he is trying to buy the election. So here is the way I see the debate tonight candidate by candidate.

Sanders - With all the heat on Bloomberg he really doesn't have to do much in this debate. As long as he stays on message and doesn't make any serious gaffes, he will be fine.

Warren - She has clearly lost momentum for various reasons, so she will go after Bloomberg. That being said, she has to play to get some viability in Nevada at the same time. Her campaign is sinking fast and she needs to do something.

Buttigieg - There has been excellent reporting by the Hill on how Buttigieg is lying about his support in the Black Community and also using some black supporters as props to play to this group. Since he isn't doing well with minorities in general, I don't think this comes up but he needs to find a way to reach out to some of these voters and get a bit of support. Otherwise he will have no momentum at all on Super Tuesday.

Klobuchar - As a woman and a strong debater, I suspect she will be the primary one to attack Bloomberg on his treatment of women. I don't know if it will translate into support for her, but if she can lay into Bloomberg it will hurt him immensely. The risk for her is that Bloomberg counter attacks on Klobuchar's reported poor treatment of her staff. But she has to try. She also needs to reach out to Minority voters as well. That being said, Minnesota is a super Tuesday State and I think she could win it.

Biden - Kind of a forgotten man. Since he is one of three candidates on the stage with Minority support, he also needs to go after Bloomberg. He needs to be more confident and forceful than the NH debate. If he can do these things, and not gaffe (A big if with Biden) he likely will win South Carolina and show respectably in Nevada.

Bloomberg - This is his first big test and a lot of dirt has been dug up on him already. He needs to respond to this in a convincing way. He also needs to deal with the inevitable questions about him buying the nomination. I would not be surprised if the Moderators, who are part of the establishment elite (MSNBC Is moderating and has been very pro Bloomberg and anti Bernie, so much so that Bernie says Fox News treats him better than MSNBC), actually softballed Bloomberg in this debate. That would be terrible, but I can see it happening.
 
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:28 pm

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AirWorthy99 wrote:
because is running on the democrat party.


Is deliberately misspelling that supposed to be some badge of populist sidewalk cred? I see you people doing this all the time. And while it would not be out of character for you to be completely unaware of a pretty major detail like that, I am genuinely curious. . .


AirWorthy99 wrote:
The list can go all the way down with the politicians you worship, just that they are smarter than Trump because they say it behind closed doors.


Apart from the MAGAs and a few people with Kennedy fixations, I do not know anyone who worships politicians. I will let you decide if you are projecting or trolling there.

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Americans know that all politicians are hypocrites and they just put on a nice face to get votes, even those who are in the rural areas and you brand as low IQ understand that better than your typical college educated city living voters.


A. Politicians = hypocrites? Maybe, but, who cares? I know for a fact you do not have a better alternative, so this is a pointless thing to bring up.

B. And I cannot stress this enough... I do not know where you learned to consolidate your thoughts. But with a post that relies heavily on emotive speculation and poorly constructed dissimilar and non-like comparisons, it is clear that you will never be able to mount an effective argument that you are aware, at all, of what educated people think. City Dwelling or otherwise...


Typical, name calling, personal attacks, when you got no other choice since there are no counter arguments. Come into a.net call out Trump and his followers as racist, evil people, feel good, get back to real life... then redo this again later.

But no, Trump and his followers are the ones using childish and nonintellectual ways of communicating and debating according to this philosophy.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:48 pm

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Sanders - With all the heat on Bloomberg he really doesn't have to do much in this debate. As long as he stays on message and doesn't make any serious gaffes, he will be fine.


And that may very well happen. He has been better about controlling the narrative of his campaign so far this time around.

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Warren - She has clearly lost momentum for various reasons, so she will go after Bloomberg. That being said, she has to play to get some viability in Nevada at the same time.


She just needs to stay visible. I do not see her as being overly inspiring, but I still feel -in this moment- she is a more likely nominee than Sanders. There is some risk taking in her future, but she does not have a far left base to court/keep...


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Buttigieg - There has been excellent reporting by the Hill on how Buttigieg is lying about his support in the Black Community and also using some black supporters as props to play to this group. Since he isn't doing well with minorities in general, I don't think this comes up but he needs to find a way to reach out to some of these voters and get a bit of support. Otherwise he will have no momentum at all on Super Tuesday.


He does, but he needs to be careful with that. His mayoral history is not minority friendly and trying to court that will undoubtedly bring this to light.


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Klobuchar - As a woman and a strong debater, I suspect she will be the primary one to attack Bloomberg on his treatment of women. I don't know if it will translate into support for her, but if she can lay into Bloomberg it will hurt him immensely. The risk for her is that Bloomberg counter attacks on Klobuchar's reported poor treatment of her staff. But she has to try. She also needs to reach out to Minority voters as well. That being said, Minnesota is a super Tuesday State and I think she could win it.


The worst and least professional of the bunch -by far-. It would be nice if she is the next to go.
In any case, I do not see how she is per se a string debate presence. She will take jabs at Bloomberg or whomever the easiest target is. But I have yet to see her having made any good or even memorable points.

Her issues with staff are also problematic, yes. This tells me that in practice, she would be little, if any, better than trump. A revolving door situation waiting to develop. It is an opening for someone like Bloomberg or Buttigieg to exploit.


I am surprised to see Biden winding down so fast; I thought would have been a more after Super Tuesday thing. But I will take it. There is just too much Hillary on that guy to make a win a realistic guarantee.

Not sure if we will learn much more about Bloomberg. . .

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Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:48 pm

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Bernie showed that he could almost get 50% of the pledged delegates against Hillary & the Empire, imagine running against that machine. But that really means that 25% of the total voters were in for Bernie (D + I + R). Can Bernie bring those Hill16 voters out in 20 and vote for him, if 10% or more of the Hill16 voters stay home. If Bernie is shut out this time and runs 3rd party, it will split the vote.


If Bernie is shut out again, that would be irrelevant. His supporters will either vote for Trump or stay home.


Bernie is going to be shut out, mark my words. People forget that the Dem primary isn't a vote or popularity contest--the super delegates and Democrat establishment select their candidate. Hillary paid off Bernie 4 years ago, he shut up and got behind her in turn. Whether he closes ranks this time is another thing, considering his supporters have already said Milwaukee will burn (their words) if Bernie isn't the nominee.

Radical leftist statists are so tolerant.

Bloomberg will buy his way to the stage IMO.
 
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I was hoping this thread would be a more civil discussion about the way the 2020 Democratic primary would play out, but it seems like its gone down the road of the usual name calling from the usual suspects. Anyways there is a Debate tonight and Bloomberg will be in it. I suspect he will be the primary target of everyone even though Bernie is the clear front runner despite what the media reports. Bloomberg has taken a lot of heat on both sides, with everyone from Bernie Sanders to Tucker Carlson saying (and rightly so) that he is trying to buy the election. So here is the way I see the debate tonight candidate by candidate.

Sanders - With all the heat on Bloomberg he really doesn't have to do much in this debate. As long as he stays on message and doesn't make any serious gaffes, he will be fine.

Warren - She has clearly lost momentum for various reasons, so she will go after Bloomberg. That being said, she has to play to get some viability in Nevada at the same time. Her campaign is sinking fast and she needs to do something.

Buttigieg - There has been excellent reporting by the Hill on how Buttigieg is lying about his support in the Black Community and also using some black supporters as props to play to this group. Since he isn't doing well with minorities in general, I don't think this comes up but he needs to find a way to reach out to some of these voters and get a bit of support. Otherwise he will have no momentum at all on Super Tuesday.

Klobuchar - As a woman and a strong debater, I suspect she will be the primary one to attack Bloomberg on his treatment of women. I don't know if it will translate into support for her, but if she can lay into Bloomberg it will hurt him immensely. The risk for her is that Bloomberg counter attacks on Klobuchar's reported poor treatment of her staff. But she has to try. She also needs to reach out to Minority voters as well. That being said, Minnesota is a super Tuesday State and I think she could win it.

Biden - Kind of a forgotten man. Since he is one of three candidates on the stage with Minority support, he also needs to go after Bloomberg. He needs to be more confident and forceful than the NH debate. If he can do these things, and not gaffe (A big if with Biden) he likely will win South Carolina and show respectably in Nevada.

Bloomberg - This is his first big test and a lot of dirt has been dug up on him already. He needs to respond to this in a convincing way. He also needs to deal with the inevitable questions about him buying the nomination. I would not be surprised if the Moderators, who are part of the establishment elite (MSNBC Is moderating and has been very pro Bloomberg and anti Bernie, so much so that Bernie says Fox News treats him better than MSNBC), actually softballed Bloomberg in this debate. That would be terrible, but I can see it happening.


If the Dem's are smart, they nominate Klobuchar... but at this point, Sanders has all the wind in the back, mostly because there are just too many candidates, he keeps winning and will continue to, unless the race goes down to just 2, him and a 'moderate', there things will become more competitive. But as it goes, it seems that Sanders is going to win this.
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:16 pm

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afcjets wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
Bernie showed that he could almost get 50% of the pledged delegates against Hillary & the Empire, imagine running against that machine. But that really means that 25% of the total voters were in for Bernie (D + I + R). Can Bernie bring those Hill16 voters out in 20 and vote for him, if 10% or more of the Hill16 voters stay home. If Bernie is shut out this time and runs 3rd party, it will split the vote.


If Bernie is shut out again, that would be irrelevant. His supporters will either vote for Trump or stay home.


Bernie is going to be shut out, mark my words. People forget that the Dem primary isn't a vote or popularity contest--the super delegates and Democrat establishment select their candidate. Hillary paid off Bernie 4 years ago, he shut up and got behind her in turn. Whether he closes ranks this time is another thing, considering his supporters have already said Milwaukee will burn (their words) if Bernie isn't the nominee.

Radical leftist statists are so tolerant.

Bloomberg will buy his way to the stage IMO.


I did some research on your "supporters have said Miwaukee will burn" since no one has brought this up.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/feature ... ers-loses/

It was one staffer who said it. Not all Sanders supporters. As the MAGA fans keep pointing out, one person does not equal the whole party. And, yes, I scrolled through the list of links but I only saw the one staffer who said that one thing one time.

As opposed to the "tolerant" MAGA fans who constantly scream and yell and bully and name call and shame everyone who does not support their leader.....
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 9:30 pm

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As opposed to the "tolerant" MAGA fans who constantly scream and yell and bully and name call and shame everyone who does not support their leader.....


This does not get mentioned enough. 45’s hold on the party is so thorough that despite many positions that aren’t conservative at all, Never Trump GOPers are automatically labeled RINOs even when they are far more genuine conservatives than 45’ll ever be.
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:18 pm

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slider wrote:
afcjets wrote:

If Bernie is shut out again, that would be irrelevant. His supporters will either vote for Trump or stay home.


Bernie is going to be shut out, mark my words. People forget that the Dem primary isn't a vote or popularity contest--the super delegates and Democrat establishment select their candidate. Hillary paid off Bernie 4 years ago, he shut up and got behind her in turn. Whether he closes ranks this time is another thing, considering his supporters have already said Milwaukee will burn (their words) if Bernie isn't the nominee.

Radical leftist statists are so tolerant.

Bloomberg will buy his way to the stage IMO.


I did some research on your "supporters have said Miwaukee will burn" since no one has brought this up.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/feature ... ers-loses/

It was one staffer who said it. Not all Sanders supporters. As the MAGA fans keep pointing out, one person does not equal the whole party. And, yes, I scrolled through the list of links but I only saw the one staffer who said that one thing one time.

As opposed to the "tolerant" MAGA fans who constantly scream and yell and bully and name call and shame everyone who does not support their leader.....


Really Seb? Try wearing a red MAGA hat or even just a red hat that says something similar in Portland Oregon or Seattle or San Francisco or any other liberal haven you won't have to do anything but go and get a cup of coffee in a coffee shop and see if you don't get physically attacked until your all bloody I would bet a paycheck on it.. Liberals=tolerant and accepting :rotfl:
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:05 pm

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Buttigieg - There has been excellent reporting by the Hill on how Buttigieg is lying about his support in the Black Community and also using some black supporters as props to play to this group. Since he isn't doing well with minorities in general, I don't think this comes up but he needs to find a way to reach out to some of these voters and get a bit of support. Otherwise he will have no momentum at all on Super Tuesday.



There hasn't been a whole lot of polling the last few weeks in either Nevada or New Hampshire, so I'm really interested to see if Buttigieg is really as weak with minorities as polls showed a month or two ago, or whether some of that was simply that Nevada and South Carolina voters hadn't really tuned in to the election yet knowing Iowa and New Hampshire might knock some candidates out of the race.

Biden, Sanders, and Bloomberg were all household names before this election, and Steyer has spent a fortune in South Carolina getting his name out there. Voters in both states have probably heard about Buttigieg's 'minorities problem' but does their perception change after seeing him speak in Iowa and New Hampshire? Or seeing him in these more recent, smaller debates instead of the absurd 20 candidates over 2 days debates that only political junkies tuned into? Seeing Buttigieg up close in their home states, and turning resources to advertising in their states?

Maybe he gets trounced in Nevada and South Carolina. Maybe there's something in his demeanor and message that appeals across demographic lines and he outperforms the polling again. I have no idea which it will be, but it's something I'm very curious to see over the next week.
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seb146 wrote:
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Bernie is going to be shut out, mark my words. People forget that the Dem primary isn't a vote or popularity contest--the super delegates and Democrat establishment select their candidate. Hillary paid off Bernie 4 years ago, he shut up and got behind her in turn. Whether he closes ranks this time is another thing, considering his supporters have already said Milwaukee will burn (their words) if Bernie isn't the nominee.

Radical leftist statists are so tolerant.

Bloomberg will buy his way to the stage IMO.


I did some research on your "supporters have said Miwaukee will burn" since no one has brought this up.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/feature ... ers-loses/

It was one staffer who said it. Not all Sanders supporters. As the MAGA fans keep pointing out, one person does not equal the whole party. And, yes, I scrolled through the list of links but I only saw the one staffer who said that one thing one time.

As opposed to the "tolerant" MAGA fans who constantly scream and yell and bully and name call and shame everyone who does not support their leader.....


Really Seb? Try wearing a red MAGA hat or even just a red hat that says something similar in Portland Oregon or Seattle or San Francisco or any other liberal haven you won't have to do anything but go and get a cup of coffee in a coffee shop and see if you don't get physically attacked until your all bloody I would bet a paycheck on it.. Liberals=tolerant and accepting :rotfl:


That's right. It is the MAGA fans with the guns and the MAGA fans who froth at the mouth and the MAGA fans that threaten violence and MAGA fans who constantly scream that no one hears their screams. Those of us outside the MAGA group understand that the red MAGA hats stand for the same thing white pointed hoods stand for. We understand there is a difference between Republicans and MAGA fans. That difference is lessening by the day but there is a difference. Don't like it? Kick out the MAGA racists from the Republican party then we can get back to moving this nation forward, not back to the 1710s....
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:13 am

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Trump and his followers are the ones using childish and nonintellectual ways of communicating and debating according to this philosophy.


Nonintellectual is not unreasonable when making apologies for and denying things all rational people can readily see.

Carl Cameron, former Fox chief national political correspondent, telling CNN today that Trump misled supporters - instead of draining the swamp, he created a new one in his image:

https://youtu.be/NaSHhjgQuNs

Are his views invalid as a Never Trump GOPer too?
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:21 am

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AirWorthy99 wrote:
Trump and his followers are the ones using childish and nonintellectual ways of communicating and debating according to this philosophy.


Nonintellectual is not unreasonable when making apologies for and denying things all rational people can readily see.

Carl Cameron, former Fox chief national political correspondent, telling CNN today that Trump misled supporters - instead of draining the swamp, he created a new one in his image:

https://youtu.be/NaSHhjgQuNs

Are his views invalid as a Never Trump GOPer too?


Yeah, what's wrong is wrong, I am totally against Trump commuting the sentence of Blagojevich, no doubt. I have never supported 100% of what Trump does, and never will, but the Democrats who spouse criminal justice reform like crazy, they shouldn't be bothered by him doing this, since they are all against long sentences for 'non violent' offenses. Trump also signed into law some criminal justice reform laws, which I disagree. But this is him testing the Dem's and seeing their hypocrisy with the Roger Stone saga too.

In any case, this thread is not about Trump, its about the Democratic primary, which you should admit, its turning out to be not what you guys were expecting and hoping in order to beat Trump.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:43 am

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Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Trump and his followers are the ones using childish and nonintellectual ways of communicating and debating according to this philosophy.


Nonintellectual is not unreasonable when making apologies for and denying things all rational people can readily see.

Carl Cameron, former Fox chief national political correspondent, telling CNN today that Trump misled supporters - instead of draining the swamp, he created a new one in his image:

https://youtu.be/NaSHhjgQuNs

Are his views invalid as a Never Trump GOPer too?


Yeah, what's wrong is wrong, I am totally against Trump commuting the sentence of Blagojevich, no doubt. I have never supported 100% of what Trump does, and never will, but the Democrats who spouse criminal justice reform like crazy, they shouldn't be bothered by him doing this, since they are all against long sentences for 'non violent' offenses. Trump also signed into law some criminal justice reform laws, which I disagree. But this is him testing the Dem's and seeing their hypocrisy with the Roger Stone saga too.

In any case, this thread is not about Trump, its about the Democratic primary, which you should admit, its turning out to be not what you guys were expecting and hoping in order to beat Trump.


Trump figures prominently in the calculus of the election and nominee matchups, obviously. No point using ‘you guys’ - not a Dem, I’m an independent, and keen observer of all kinds of political races.
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:50 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Trump and his followers are the ones using childish and nonintellectual ways of communicating and debating according to this philosophy.


Nonintellectual is not unreasonable when making apologies for and denying things all rational people can readily see.

Carl Cameron, former Fox chief national political correspondent, telling CNN today that Trump misled supporters - instead of draining the swamp, he created a new one in his image:

https://youtu.be/NaSHhjgQuNs

Are his views invalid as a Never Trump GOPer too?


Yeah, what's wrong is wrong, I am totally against Trump commuting the sentence of Blagojevich, no doubt. I have never supported 100% of what Trump does, and never will, but the Democrats who spouse criminal justice reform like crazy, they shouldn't be bothered by him doing this, since they are all against long sentences for 'non violent' offenses. Trump also signed into law some criminal justice reform laws, which I disagree. But this is him testing the Dem's and seeing their hypocrisy with the Roger Stone saga too.

In any case, this thread is not about Trump, its about the Democratic primary, which you should admit, its turning out to be not what you guys were expecting and hoping in order to beat Trump.


The Democratic primary is EXACTLY what we want it to be and EXACTLY what Americans need it to be. Every Democratic candidate says "here is what the current Republican administration is doing wrong and here is how I will get us away from that". It is not that difficult to see that literally any Democratic candidate (and even the remaining Republican candidates) are head and shoulders above the current Republican administration.
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Kick out the MAGA racists from the Republican party then we can get back to moving this nation forward, not back to the 1710s....


Care to provide a reference when anyone here or Republican were campaigning to bring back the British Royals as our head of state?
 
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Kick out the MAGA racists from the Republican party then we can get back to moving this nation forward, not back to the 1710s....


Care to provide a reference when anyone here or Republican were campaigning to bring back the British Royals as our head of state?


You have not seen the commutations and pardons and offering to dismiss charges against Assange if he would lie. And "I can shoot someone on Fifth Avenue..." and grab 'em by the p**sy Not to mention the "I never knew the guy" after saying "he is a great man!" and "those very fine people" marching in support of white nationalism and generally acting like a king and dictator. I know you MAGA fans can not see that from the inside but take a look outside the MAGA bubble and you will see a whole different world. Ideas and opinions that differ from your own. People who acknowledge you MAGA fans have an opinion but show you all reasons why your opinions should be updated to the 21st Century.
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Same can be said of those in the Bernie Bubble of Fanboys. And you still didn’t provide a reference.
 
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:01 am

Actual Title in a Washington Post online oped published Feb. 18th by Julia Azari:

“To Fix the Primaries, Let the Elites Decide”

Before they changed it to:

"It's time to give the Elites a bigger say in choosing the President"

And finally to:

“It’s time to switch to preference primaries.”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/0 ... es-decide/

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Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:35 am

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Same can be said of those in the Bernie Bubble of Fanboys. And you still didn’t provide a reference.


Perhaps so but a few voters will surely notice Sanders campaign merch is made entirely in the US by union labor. MAGA hats may be made in CA, but lots of other T.O. crap is cheaply made abroad. Easy shit to bring up on the debate stage.
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:19 pm

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seb146 wrote:

I did some research on your "supporters have said Miwaukee will burn" since no one has brought this up.

https://newstalk1130.iheart.com/feature ... ers-loses/

It was one staffer who said it. Not all Sanders supporters. As the MAGA fans keep pointing out, one person does not equal the whole party. And, yes, I scrolled through the list of links but I only saw the one staffer who said that one thing one time.

As opposed to the "tolerant" MAGA fans who constantly scream and yell and bully and name call and shame everyone who does not support their leader.....


Really Seb? Try wearing a red MAGA hat or even just a red hat that says something similar in Portland Oregon or Seattle or San Francisco or any other liberal haven you won't have to do anything but go and get a cup of coffee in a coffee shop and see if you don't get physically attacked until your all bloody I would bet a paycheck on it.. Liberals=tolerant and accepting :rotfl:


That's right. It is the MAGA fans with the guns and the MAGA fans who froth at the mouth and the MAGA fans that threaten violence and MAGA fans who constantly scream that no one hears their screams. Those of us outside the MAGA group understand that the red MAGA hats stand for the same thing white pointed hoods stand for. We understand there is a difference between Republicans and MAGA fans. That difference is lessening by the day but there is a difference. Don't like it? Kick out the MAGA racists from the Republican party then we can get back to moving this nation forward, not back to the 1710s....


Nothing to see here, folks, just another "tolerant" leftist excusing violence against nearly 50% of the country.
 
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Really Seb? Try wearing a red MAGA hat or even just a red hat that says something similar in Portland Oregon or Seattle or San Francisco or any other liberal haven you won't have to do anything but go and get a cup of coffee in a coffee shop and see if you don't get physically attacked until your all bloody I would bet a paycheck on it.. Liberals=tolerant and accepting :rotfl:


That's right. It is the MAGA fans with the guns and the MAGA fans who froth at the mouth and the MAGA fans that threaten violence and MAGA fans who constantly scream that no one hears their screams. Those of us outside the MAGA group understand that the red MAGA hats stand for the same thing white pointed hoods stand for. We understand there is a difference between Republicans and MAGA fans. That difference is lessening by the day but there is a difference. Don't like it? Kick out the MAGA racists from the Republican party then we can get back to moving this nation forward, not back to the 1710s....


Nothing to see here, folks, just another "tolerant" leftist excusing violence against nearly 50% of the country.


Yet you won't even casually note nobody here is backing that statement..why?
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:56 pm

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That's right. It is the MAGA fans with the guns and the MAGA fans who froth at the mouth and the MAGA fans that threaten violence and MAGA fans who constantly scream that no one hears their screams. Those of us outside the MAGA group understand that the red MAGA hats stand for the same thing white pointed hoods stand for. We understand there is a difference between Republicans and MAGA fans. That difference is lessening by the day but there is a difference. Don't like it? Kick out the MAGA racists from the Republican party then we can get back to moving this nation forward, not back to the 1710s....


Nothing to see here, folks, just another "tolerant" leftist excusing violence against nearly 50% of the country.


Yet you won't even casually note nobody here is backing that statement..why?


I've never claimed that seb represents the mainstream left. He or she has always seemed like a fringe leftist to me. Many of the other more liberal posters on here are much more moderate or at the very least more rational.
 
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Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:36 pm

I rarely watch an entire debate, but I did last night - wow, the gloves came off for sure. A few random thoughts

Bloomberg got eviscerated by Warren and Biden - never show up with a knife at a gunfight. He's toast

Klobuchar took some serious hits from the Hispanic moderator and from Mayor Pete. Warren coming to her defense did little to help her

Sanders is nuts - if he ends up being the nominee, the Democrats and sunk.

For once, Biden did well - I think he scored points and could get a bump from his performance

Did Buttigieg lose his razor? Guess he's not a student of debate history (see Kennedy/Nixon for context)

While Warren definitely inflicted serious damage to Bloomberg, she still sounds frantic and desperate when speaking - I think she'll continue to fade

Not sure who'd be declared the "winner" but I'll give it to Biden since he didn't stumble like he had in the previous ones and maybe put Buttigieg in second place.
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While Warren definitely inflicted serious damage to Bloomberg, she still sounds frantic and desperate when speaking - I think she'll continue to fade



IMO she would be their best chance to unite the party. She will say anything to appease the most radical leftists but she would be easily controlled by the establishment and donors once in office. She is the perfect hybrid. She also appeals to their obsession with identity politics where Bernie, Joe and Bloomberg fail miserably. She would be both the first woman and first Native American (although non-tribal) president of the US. She is also more skilled at debating than the rest and would be best at going against Trump, and IMO would be the most fun to watch.
 
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:54 pm

N583JB wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
N583JB wrote:

Nothing to see here, folks, just another "tolerant" leftist excusing violence against nearly 50% of the country.


Yet you won't even casually note nobody here is backing that statement..why?


I've never claimed that seb represents the mainstream left. He or she has always seemed like a fringe leftist to me. Many of the other more liberal posters on here are much more moderate or at the very least more rational.


The "yeah, well, but the leftist fringe..." deflection and excuse always always always comes from MAGA fans. And absolutely zero proof to back it up. Or are you saying one guy who may have done one thing one time is representative of half the population? If that is the case, what does that say about the tens of thousands wearing MAGA hats and cheering racist actions and statements? The thousands of MAGA fans who have committed crimes in his name?

https://www.businessinsider.com/extremi ... ort-2019-1
https://www.salon.com/2019/08/12/he-sou ... r-in-2009/
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archi ... ng/581284/
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Thu Feb 20, 2020 5:58 pm

afcjets wrote:
ER757 wrote:

While Warren definitely inflicted serious damage to Bloomberg, she still sounds frantic and desperate when speaking - I think she'll continue to fade



IMO she would be their best chance to unite the party. She will say anything to appease the most radical leftists but she would be easily controlled by the establishment and donors once in office. She is the perfect hybrid. She also appeals to their obsession with identity politics where Bernie, Joe and Bloomberg fail miserably. She would be both the first woman and first Native American (although non-tribal) president of the US. She is also more skilled at debating than the rest and would be best at going against Trump, and IMO would be the most fun to watch.


Democrats have decided that any of their candidates are better than what we have now. The question is, which candidate will the on-the-fence Republicans stop and think about voting for? The MAGA base is out of the question to vote for anyone else. That accounts for maybe a million votes? Democrats are trying to find someone who will appeal to a majority to the left of the MAGA base. Some will not vote for a woman, some will not vote for a gay, some have had the "socialist bad" rhetoric drilled into them.
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:26 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o12kclzoACQ

Sanders operative talking about burning MKE. Bolshevik Bernie had no comment for days, and this man remained in the employ.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... nother-ra/

Another paid staff member in the SC campaign for Sanders is encouraging violence for the "non-believers"...where have we heard this before?

It's going to get worse, I guarantee it. Sanders won't be his party's nominee--they can't do it. They won't do it. And so the Sanders Soy Bois will erupt in violence, like Jurek so suggests.

The DNC should get the bill for all security in Milwaukee. ALL of it. I'd be bracing for civil unrest.
 
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:54 pm

It takes a lot to make Trump the moderate in the general election, but Bernie is up to the challenge.
 
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Re: 2020 Democratic Primary Thread

Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:20 pm

ER757 wrote:
I rarely watch an entire debate, but I did last night - wow, the gloves came off for sure. A few random thoughts

Bloomberg got eviscerated by Warren and Biden - never show up with a knife at a gunfight. He's toast

I don't know that I would count Bloomberg out just yet. Moderates/conservatives are really thirsty for someone to rally behind. Warren and Biden did really eviscerate him, but Bloomberg also really struck at Sanders, putting his feet to the fire in a way the other candidates have just not done thus far.

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