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noviorbis77 wrote:It is the net contributers that are most likely to question continued membership.
Dutchy wrote:noviorbis77 wrote:It is the net contributers that are most likely to question continued membership.
contributions are just one thing
noviorbis77 wrote:It is the net contributers that are most likely to question continued membership.
Dutchy wrote:noviorbis77 wrote:It is the net contributers that are most likely to question continued membership.
No, they are not. You still don't get it, contributions are just one thing, only a small thing. The EU has many benefits, not just about economics, but it is still beneficial for its member states. You will experience it for yourself next year.
Arion640 wrote:As long as there must be unanimous approval by existing nations, and several of those nations will throw it to a referendum, I don’t see Turkey joining.Good luck when Turkey finally joins. It WILL happen. Not in the near term but it is going to happen.
petertenthije wrote:Arion640 wrote:As long as there must be unanimous approval by existing nations, and several of those nations will throw it to a referendum, I don’t see Turkey joining.Good luck when Turkey finally joins. It WILL happen. Not in the near term but it is going to happen.
Let’s be honest here, a lot of people in NL, DE and BE would sooner kick out a large amount of dual-nationality citizens (TK+NL/DE/BE) then accept Turkey. The Turkish people don’t have a good reputation, and don’t seem to be in a hurry to change that reputation either.
Arion640 wrote:noviorbis77 wrote:It is the net contributers that are most likely to question continued membership.
Italy are probably the next net contributor to get annoyed. France and Germany don’t care as they do what they want anyway.
Good luck when Turkey finally joins. It WILL happen. Not in the near term but it is going to happen.
Dutchy wrote:noviorbis77 wrote:It is the net contributers that are most likely to question continued membership.
No, they are not. You still don't get it, contributions are just one thing, only a small thing. The EU has many benefits, not just about economics, but it is still beneficial for its member states. You will experience it for yourself next year.
Arion640 wrote:Good luck when Turkey finally joins. It WILL happen. Not in the near term but it is going to happen.
Arion640 wrote:I think it will happen as soon as they get their house in order in Turkey. I think it will happen, perhaps in even 10 years time, same for Ukraine.
tommy1808 wrote:Turkey can only join if every single EU member says yes to that. That is not going to happen, since Cyprus is one of them. If Turkey ever joins the EU, its not going to be the Turkey that you obviously wet your pants over, but a very different one.
blueflyer wrote:tommy1808 wrote:Turkey can only join if every single EU member says yes to that. That is not going to happen, since Cyprus is one of them. If Turkey ever joins the EU, its not going to be the Turkey that you obviously wet your pants over, but a very different one.
Actually, Cyprus is not opposed to it, provided that Turkey agrees to conditions broadly similar to the 2004 Amman plan (which was accepted by Turkey and rejected by Cyprus at the time, to be fair).
Arion640 wrote:Good luck when Turkey finally joins. It WILL happen. Not in the near term but it is going to happen.
Zaf wrote:Why would there be a referendum for Turkeys admission? We were not asked when less developed countries like Bulgaria and Romania joined
We never had a say when expanding the EU. It's not fair to do it for turkey only.
Now we have milions of Gypsies living from German welfare.
VSMUT wrote:Why that is? Because everybody can see the train wreck that is Brexit and figure out that the Union and further integration is the only way forward.
Arion640 wrote:petertenthije wrote:Arion640 wrote:As long as there must be unanimous approval by existing nations, and several of those nations will throw it to a referendum, I don’t see Turkey joining.Good luck when Turkey finally joins. It WILL happen. Not in the near term but it is going to happen.
Let’s be honest here, a lot of people in NL, DE and BE would sooner kick out a large amount of dual-nationality citizens (TK+NL/DE/BE) then accept Turkey. The Turkish people don’t have a good reputation, and don’t seem to be in a hurry to change that reputation either.
I think it will happen as soon as they get their house in order in Turkey. I think it will happen, perhaps in even 10 years time, same for Ukraine.
marcelh wrote:Arion640 wrote:petertenthije wrote:As long as there must be unanimous approval by existing nations, and several of those nations will throw it to a referendum, I don’t see Turkey joining.
Let’s be honest here, a lot of people in NL, DE and BE would sooner kick out a large amount of dual-nationality citizens (TK+NL/DE/BE) then accept Turkey. The Turkish people don’t have a good reputation, and don’t seem to be in a hurry to change that reputation either.
I think it will happen as soon as they get their house in order in Turkey. I think it will happen, perhaps in even 10 years time, same for Ukraine.
Still spreading fake news...
Zaf wrote:UK exit was difficult due to the northern Ireland issue. Other countries don't have such problems. I could see Italy or Ireland leaving next which should be a much smoother process achievable within 12 months after a referendum.
Zaf wrote:UK exit was difficult due to the northern Ireland issue. Other countries don't have such problems. I could see Italy or Ireland leaving next which should be a much smoother process achievable within 12 months after a referendum.
noviorbis77 wrote:https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/774503/Nexit-more-than-half-Dutch-voters-follow-Brexit-leave-EU-Wilders-poll/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Yes it is the Daily Express I know, but my word Nexit would be hilarious.
Arion640 wrote:A lot said Poland and other Eastern bloc countries wouldn’t join. But they did. It will likely happen, not in the near term. Ukraine will certainly join, and probably Turkey too.
Dutchy wrote:Arion640 wrote:A lot said Poland and other Eastern bloc countries wouldn’t join. But they did. It will likely happen, not in the near term. Ukraine will certainly join, and probably Turkey too.
Ukraine will not join as long as Russia is occupying Ukraine.
Dutchy wrote:noviorbis77 wrote:https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/774503/Nexit-more-than-half-Dutch-voters-follow-Brexit-leave-EU-Wilders-poll/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Yes it is the Daily Express I know, but my word Nexit would be hilarious.
The paper itself is hilarious, thanks for the laugh.
Dutchy wrote:noviorbis77 wrote:https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/774503/Nexit-more-than-half-Dutch-voters-follow-Brexit-leave-EU-Wilders-poll/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Yes it is the Daily Express I know, but my word Nexit would be hilarious.
The paper itself is hilarious, thanks for the laugh.
Arion640 wrote:Dutchy wrote:Arion640 wrote:A lot said Poland and other Eastern bloc countries wouldn’t join. But they did. It will likely happen, not in the near term. Ukraine will certainly join, and probably Turkey too.
Ukraine will not join as long as Russia is occupying Ukraine.
Ukraine might not have a choice to further rival Russian enlargement. The EU are also trying to compete with Russia, so all the more reason. It will happen.
Arion640 wrote:Dutchy wrote:noviorbis77 wrote:https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/774503/Nexit-more-than-half-Dutch-voters-follow-Brexit-leave-EU-Wilders-poll/amp?__twitter_impression=true
Yes it is the Daily Express I know, but my word Nexit would be hilarious.
The paper itself is hilarious, thanks for the laugh.
Nexit is trending on twitter. Support is growing and rightly so.
Dutchy wrote:Arion640 wrote:Dutchy wrote:
Ukraine will not join as long as Russia is occupying Ukraine.
Ukraine might not have a choice to further rival Russian enlargement. The EU are also trying to compete with Russia, so all the more reason. It will happen.
EU trying to compete with Russia? On what level? The economy of Russia is about the size of the BeNeLux. Russia is small potatoes.
Dutchy wrote:Arion640 wrote:Dutchy wrote:
The paper itself is hilarious, thanks for the laugh.
Nexit is trending on twitter. Support is growing and rightly so.
Please show me, if it is growing, you need to have numbers how much it was and the current numbers, so we can compare. If you do not have it, your contribution is false. Furthermore, is it relevant? Even if you can show it is growing, highly doubtful, but growing from 9% to 10% is quite meaningless, even though it is a rise of 11,1%.
The Brexit-mess has made the EU more loved. So thanks for your self-sacrifice. Wilders and Baudet don't really talk about Nexit, because they know they can't win any votes with it anymore.
But please enlighten me..............
Arion640 wrote:Dutchy wrote:Arion640 wrote:
Nexit is trending on twitter. Support is growing and rightly so.
Please show me, if it is growing, you need to have numbers how much it was and the current numbers, so we can compare. If you do not have it, your contribution is false. Furthermore, is it relevant? Even if you can show it is growing, highly doubtful, but growing from 9% to 10% is quite meaningless, even though it is a rise of 11,1%.
The Brexit-mess has made the EU more loved. So thanks for your self-sacrifice. Wilders and Baudet don't really talk about Nexit, because they know they can't win any votes with it anymore.
But please enlighten me..............
I actually don’t think any country that has the euro can ever leave the EU. It is too late for you. Poland and Denmark may be able to get away with it.
Olddog wrote:Zaf wrote:UK exit was difficult due to the northern Ireland issue. Other countries don't have such problems. I could see Italy or Ireland leaving next which should be a much smoother process achievable within 12 months after a referendum.
No. The difficulty still is because the UK entertained it could be possible to leave but keep all the perks.
Arion640 wrote:This Finnish MEP has the right idea, and she will continue the fight. https://youtu.be/9gCGFClbVjA
Arion640 wrote:petertenthije wrote:Arion640 wrote:As long as there must be unanimous approval by existing nations, and several of those nations will throw it to a referendum, I don’t see Turkey joining.Good luck when Turkey finally joins. It WILL happen. Not in the near term but it is going to happen.
Let’s be honest here, a lot of people in NL, DE and BE would sooner kick out a large amount of dual-nationality citizens (TK+NL/DE/BE) then accept Turkey. The Turkish people don’t have a good reputation, and don’t seem to be in a hurry to change that reputation either.
I think it will happen as soon as they get their house in order in Turkey. I think it will happen, perhaps in even 10 years time, same for Ukraine.
Dutchy wrote:Arion640 wrote:Dutchy wrote:
The paper itself is hilarious, thanks for the laugh.
Nexit is trending on twitter. Support is growing and rightly so.
Please show me, if it is growing, you need to have numbers how much it was and the current numbers, so we can compare. If you do not have it, your contribution is false. Furthermore, is it relevant? Even if you can show it is growing, highly doubtful, but growing from 9% to 10% is quite meaningless, even though it is a rise of 11,1%. .
Arion640 wrote:Nexit is trending on twitter. Support is growing and rightly so.
Zaf wrote:Why would there be a referendum for Turkeys admission? We were not asked when less developed countries like Bulgaria and Romania joined. Now we have milions of Gypsies living from German welfare. We were also not asked about Mafia tax heavens like Malta and Southern Cyprus.
We never had a say when expanding the EU. It's not fair to do it for turkey only.
N14AZ wrote:Arion640 wrote:Nexit is trending on twitter. Support is growing and rightly so.
I didn’t follow the discussion as I should have. So my apologies but may I ask why you openly promote the disintegration of the EU? I don’t remember your nationality, was it British? Anyhow, why „rightly so“ if I may ask.
Olddog wrote:It is not really a question. English nationalists openly promote the destruction of the EU, with the US right wing support..
Zaf wrote:UK exit was difficult due to the northern Ireland issue. Other countries don't have such problems. I could see Italy or Ireland leaving next which should be a much smoother process achievable within 12 months after a referendum.
Olddog wrote:Because for some people Irish secret dream is to going back as an English colony
Zaf wrote:We were not asked when less developed countries like Bulgaria and Romania joined. Now we have milions of Gypsies living from German welfare.
Braybuddy wrote:Zaf wrote:UK exit was difficult due to the northern Ireland issue. Other countries don't have such problems. I could see Italy or Ireland leaving next which should be a much smoother process achievable within 12 months after a referendum.
I can't speak for Italy, but what on earth makes you think Ireland would leave?