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Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:30 pm

Hello all, I've been only casually following US politics from a distance the past year instead of driving myself nuts and breathing every detail every day, and it's been great! Yall should try it, no matter which side of politics you're on ;)

Anyway, big milestone today. Iowa! May be a bit early in the day but we can spend the meanwhile posting predictions, pondering why we still let Iowa guide so much of our nominating process, and uncivily flaming each other :)

It'll be interesting on the Dem side. Biden has held a comfortable position but hasn't actually held top spot for most of the time... people seem to be surging above him then fizzling out. Seems like Sanders won the lottery and is surging at the opportune time but who knows, caucuses aren't exactly straight forward
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:26 pm

Democrats have had a free ride with their extremely flawed lineup of candidates. Thanks in part to impeachment.

Not much questioning has been given to the candidates by the MSM, perhaps because they are fixated on Trump (as always), but once this is over by Wednesday, the shift should focus on them.

The prospect of a Bernie nomination will significantly impact the markets and business investment sentiment I am sure, considering the man is a full declared socialist. So lets see what happens.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:47 pm

Iowa really depends on who shows up, and then on who people’s “second choice” is. If you’re not aware, a candidate needs to get at least 15 percent of caucus goers to side with them, or they are eliminated. So all of the candidates that have less than 15%, those people can switch to another group.

Sanders does amazing with younger voters with 45% support for the 49 and younger. He polls dismally with the 65 and over. Young people usually don’t show up, especially to caucus. After all, not many people want to spend 3+ hours on a Monday night “voting”. But Bernie seems to have a motivated crowd.

Also, if Iowans vote in their own interests then Amy Klobachar should do well, as she was polling at 30% when asked “who would be best for Iowa”. But this year Iowans seemed to be focused on who they think everyone else will like/support.

Howard Dean in 2004 on the Saturday night before the caucus was up by 15 points. He finished a distant 3rd.

My predictions:
Warren has the best ground game in Iowa - over perform
Klobuchar- over perform
Buttigieg- (I honestly have no idea, he’s a wild card)
Bernie - underperform (he is virtually no one’s 2nd choice, you either love him or don’t + young people don’t show up)
Biden - underperform
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:12 pm

I never put much into Iowa. It is a bad bell-weather for the rest of the country. It only serves to kick off the primary season. I am much more interested in Mar 3 and Mar 10 when there will be the Super Tuesday votes. Then we will get a clearer idea of what the country thinks.

Warren and Sanders are far too progressive to have a chance, and Joe continues to shoot himself in the foot. It will be interesting to say the least.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:16 pm

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I never put much into Iowa. It is a bad bell-weather for the rest of the country. It only serves to kick off the primary season. I am much more interested in Mar 3 and Mar 10 when there will be the Super Tuesday votes. Then we will get a clearer idea of what the country thinks.

Warren and Sanders are far too progressive to have a chance, and Joe continues to shoot himself in the foot. It will be interesting to say the least.


I honestly think this is the last time Iowa is the first in the nation to vote, especially if the Democrats lose in November, or if the winner in Iowa is decimated by Super Tuesday. If Democrats and Republicans want to pick one state to lead, then Illinois is the most similar to the US at large vs any other state.

What Iowa will do is winnow the field down to either 4 candidates or 5 candidates depending on how Buttigieg and Klobuchar do tonight. (Bloomberg being a possibility if Biden stumbles tonight and in NH and Nevada or if Bernie looks to run away with it all.)
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:30 pm

One other twist in tonight’s results could be the “UNDECIDED” voters. The DNC changed the rules so if you vote “undecided” in the first round, and if the “undecided” get 15%, you cannot change your vote. You are stuck with the undecided. This was done to prevent shenanigans. A big winner could be the “UNDECIDED” especially if they get 20% or so.

This is highly unlikely but a possibility.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:47 pm

Very interesting can't wait to see who wins!
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:02 pm

SanDiegoLover wrote:
I honestly think this is the last time Iowa is the first in the nation to vote, especially if the Democrats lose in November, or if the winner in Iowa is decimated by Super Tuesday. If Democrats and Republicans want to pick one state to lead, then Illinois is the most similar to the US at large vs any other state.

Disagree. But let's leave it at that.

Why Iowa is the first is beyond me. And why do we have to leave IA, NH, SC, and NV as the first 4 is also beyond me. NH has it in state law that they're the first primary...but what if IL decides to pass a law dictating they they're the first? Who steps in to solve the impasse?

I think the country should be divided into 4 regions and both parties agree that a state from each region will be the first to vote, but never the same states...so for 2024 it could be SD, ME, GA, and UT. The rest can divvy up the dates as they wish after those first four vote.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:50 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
SanDiegoLover wrote:
I honestly think this is the last time Iowa is the first in the nation to vote, especially if the Democrats lose in November, or if the winner in Iowa is decimated by Super Tuesday. If Democrats and Republicans want to pick one state to lead, then Illinois is the most similar to the US at large vs any other state.

Disagree. But let's leave it at that.

Why Iowa is the first is beyond me. And why do we have to leave IA, NH, SC, and NV as the first 4 is also beyond me. NH has it in state law that they're the first primary...but what if IL decides to pass a law dictating they they're the first? Who steps in to solve the impasse?

I think the country should be divided into 4 regions and both parties agree that a state from each region will be the first to vote, but never the same states...so for 2024 it could be SD, ME, GA, and UT. The rest can divvy up the dates as they wish after those first four vote.


Those first 4 states are essentially what you’re describing. Iowa is Midwest, NH northeast, NV is western, and SC is southern. These were picked because they are “cheap” to compete in. There’s no big metro area (except Vegas now) to run up a huge TV and radio expenditure. If you picked NC let’s say, a candidate would be forced to buy ads in 3 large markets (CLT, RDU, and GSO) plus two smaller markets of ILM area and AVL.

But things are evolving. CA has moved up into Super Tuesday this year, so their vote will actually matter for once. The day after March 3rd Super Tuesday, we will know who the nominee is or the top 2, unless it’s a dogfight to the convention which I highly doubt. You’ve got heavyweights like CA, TX, NC, and VA, voting along with medium-weights like MN, TN, MA, and CO, plus 6 smaller-weights all voting.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:56 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Democrats have had a free ride with their extremely flawed lineup of candidates. Thanks in part to impeachment.

Not much questioning has been given to the candidates by the MSM, perhaps because they are fixated on Trump (as always), but once this is over by Wednesday, the shift should focus on them.

The prospect of a Bernie nomination will significantly impact the markets and business investment sentiment I am sure, considering the man is a full declared socialist. So lets see what happens.


Well, lets hope none of the Dems' campaign managers wind up in prison..
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:24 pm

SanDiegoLover wrote:
Those first 4 states are essentially what you’re describing. Iowa is Midwest, NH northeast, NV is western, and SC is southern. These were picked because they are “cheap” to compete in.

It wasn't until 2008 that SC and NV became part of the first 4 states to vote so being a "cheap" place is hardly the reason why. If that's the case then MS, VT, ID, and ND are "cheaper" places considering that none of them has a large metro area. And while they are spread out, it doesn't address why they're the first of their regions. Iowa and NH are always first in the nation...why? What deity came down and proclaimed them to be first and for what reason? Why can't 2024 be kicked off with Wisconsin and Massachusetts?
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:22 am

It's just amazing how the left media is trying to write Biden's obituary wow!
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:42 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Democrats have had a free ride with their extremely flawed lineup of candidates. Thanks in part to impeachment.

Not much questioning has been given to the candidates by the MSM, perhaps because they are fixated on Trump (as always), but once this is over by Wednesday, the shift should focus on them.


Where have you been? There have been townhalls and regular network questioning for the last several months.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:48 am

Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
Democrats have had a free ride with their extremely flawed lineup of candidates. Thanks in part to impeachment.

Not much questioning has been given to the candidates by the MSM, perhaps because they are fixated on Trump (as always), but once this is over by Wednesday, the shift should focus on them.


Where have you been? There have been townhalls and regular network questioning for the last several months.


Yes, but no one has significantly and forcefully questioned Sanders. He is the most dangerous of all candidates with his crazy out of the mainstream policies. All of this impeachment talk has taken the attention away from his meteoric rise, the man had a heart attack a few months ago... he is a socialist, amazing. Almost no negative coverage... due in part to the impeachment debacle and others.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:10 am

Wow one of Sanders surrogates called Bloomberg an oligarch (quite correct) and a panelist on MSNBC went ape! I love it!

Going to be some night.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:35 am

Something going on in Iowa. Results should have been out a while ago. When asked, only quote so far from an Iowa official was "we want to get this right" I have to say this is beginning to sound sinister.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:45 am

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Something going on in Iowa. Results should have been out a while ago. When asked, only quote so far from an Iowa official was "we want to get this right" I have to say this is beginning to sound sinister.


Only because Republicans love a conspiracy and deny the facts.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:46 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Something going on in Iowa. Results should have been out a while ago. When asked, only quote so far from an Iowa official was "we want to get this right" I have to say this is beginning to sound sinister.


They've got to figure out how to rig the caucus results, and it takes time when the results you get aren't what you want...
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:47 am

I am undecided, Pete Buttigieg I've been watching along with Amy Klobuchar. I will be in Nevada for Caucuses hopefully they will both be there, or someone else emerges that I can believe in. I wanted Warren to run last time.
I now think Sanders, Biden Warren, and Trump are just too old to be effective leaders.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:55 am

I'm also undecided. Also, this will be my first time voting in the D primary.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:58 am

SanDiegoLover wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Something going on in Iowa. Results should have been out a while ago. When asked, only quote so far from an Iowa official was "we want to get this right" I have to say this is beginning to sound sinister.


Only because Republicans love a conspiracy and deny the facts.


Not many Republicans at Warren's Iowa caucus party.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:11 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Something going on in Iowa. Results should have been out a while ago. When asked, only quote so far from an Iowa official was "we want to get this right" I have to say this is beginning to sound sinister.


Gotta laugh. The DNC runs the caucuses not the state. They’ve royally effed this up trying to use some stupid app. So much so that they are calling the campaigns into a meeting.

So, who wants to vote by apps in the next election? Thanks, I’ll take the paper.

What a CF.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:11 am

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It's just amazing how the left media is trying to write Biden's obituary wow!

does that mean you wanted him to run against Trump?
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:19 am

DLFREEBIRD wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
It's just amazing how the left media is trying to write Biden's obituary wow!

does that mean you wanted him to run against Trump?


At this point it doesn't matter. Any of the Dem candidates are a nightmare and lose to Trump. I would actually love for Bernie to win.

Amy Klobuchar speaking. Guess it's time to get to NH.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:22 am

NIKV69 wrote:
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
It's just amazing how the left media is trying to write Biden's obituary wow!

does that mean you wanted him to run against Trump?


At this point it doesn't matter. Any of the Dem candidates are a nightmare and lose to Trump. I would actually love for Bernie to win.

Amy Klobuchar speaking. Guess it's time to get to NH.


She reminds me of the teacher in Peanuts cartoons.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:32 am

Biden speaking now. Reports of precinct chairs being told to "take pictures" of results. This is downright scary!
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:58 am

DL717 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Something going on in Iowa. Results should have been out a while ago. When asked, only quote so far from an Iowa official was "we want to get this right" I have to say this is beginning to sound sinister.


Gotta laugh. The DNC runs the caucuses not the state. They’ve royally effed this up trying to use some stupid app. So much so that they are calling the campaigns into a meeting.

So, who wants to vote by apps in the next election? Thanks, I’ll take the paper.

What a CF.

What a joke. For starters, these are people who will want to run a national healthcare system.

Will Rogers, a social commentator and actor once said, "I am not a member of an organized political party. I am a Democrat."
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:14 am

Maybe Russia is listening and can provide some help. It has experience with political campaigns. As it wasn't able to change any votes in 2016, it should be safe to let them assist.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:27 am

Bloomberg saying give me the DNC and i will run it like a business.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:38 am

Wow still nothing. Biden camp sent a very terse letter to the Iowa Dems saying they want a full explanation. Buttigieg talking now and led off by using the term "victorious"

The facepalm is epic on this one. I never liked this system. It's old and antiquated, takes too much of a time commitment for the voter and after this may be a thing of the past in 4 years.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 5:40 am

DLFREEBIRD wrote:
Bloomberg saying give me the DNC and i will run it like a business.

The Democrats wouldn't want to do that -- it makes too much sense. Besides, they're anti business.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:04 am

Won't get the results until tomorrow morning. Wow, just wow. Not the start the DNC wanted.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:17 am

Who knows? Maybe tomorrow Hillary will be declared the victor in Iowa :lol:
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:20 am

i was joking, regarding the comment above. .......i am hearing that Joe Biden wasn't viable. how is that possible?
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:22 am

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Who knows? Maybe tomorrow Hillary will be declared the victor in Iowa :lol:


One of the best posts in a long time!
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:32 am

NIKV69 wrote:
Won't get the results until tomorrow morning. Wow, just wow. Not the start the DNC wanted.

What a mess. But doesn’t matter because ...
NIKV69 wrote:
Any of the Dem candidates are a nightmare and lose to Trump.

That’s how I see it as well. They have no chances in the swing states and due to the particularity of the election system it’s all about winning the swing states.

Strange, such a huge country with so many talented business leaders, actors, scientists whatsoever... and these are the candidates who shall defeat a populists like Trump? Wake me up in 2024... :yawn:
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 6:34 am

Whelp, MSNBC is freaking out on the air. Must be a bad sign. Feel like election night 2016 all over again as the anchors sound like a bunch of toddlers having their parents take away their candy for the night.

It's freaking Iowa. No offense. If they can't tally things correctly after (God Knows) how much time each of the candidates spent in each county gunning for their vote, then that's on the state as well as the DNC.

I don't fault any of the candidates (and I'm a Republican BTW.) I was just as anxious just to know of the results as much as anyone else was tuning in. This is ridiculous, but perhaps it shows how backwards IA caucuses are (recall back in 2016 the Republican Party blocked out Trump votes in CO for Cruz during the primaries as well.)

Maybe we should take IA away as being the starting ground in the primaries after this garbage, no? Let's start off with New Hampshire instead because at least they're not going to hang the phone up on the candidates after wondering why (just reported).
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:12 am

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Whelp, MSNBC is freaking out on the air. Must be a bad sign. Feel like election night 2016 all over again as the anchors sound like a bunch of toddlers having their parents take away their candy for the night.

Ahh... not to repeat myself, but I'll echo what I said in my original post... it's nice casually observing at a distance and not being all up in it all the time.

I can analyze the results and all soon, but I'm not freaking out that I don't have it NOW

If you (not N649DL, just "you" in general) live and breathe politics, try stepping back for a bit. It's been awesome this past year. Less stress and drama, I'm still informed but not nearly as uptight!

Kinda loling at the shi**storm going on. Call me crazy, I'll take a primary over a caucus any day. Work smarter, not harder
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:45 am

So they are fighting who will get the honour to be defeated by Trump and they even can not get this right. This shows so much competency, awesome!
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:47 am

N14AZ wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Won't get the results until tomorrow morning. Wow, just wow. Not the start the DNC wanted.

What a mess. But doesn’t matter because ...
NIKV69 wrote:
Any of the Dem candidates are a nightmare and lose to Trump.

That’s how I see it as well. They have no chances in the swing states and due to the particularity of the election system it’s all about winning the swing states.

Strange, such a huge country with so many talented business leaders, actors, scientists whatsoever... and these are the candidates who shall defeat a populists like Trump? Wake me up in 2024... :yawn:


My swing state is pretty libertarian and won't swing red unless it's not Trump running. But he didn't win it in 2016 either.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:09 am

So the Democrats accused Trump of wanting to make the US a Banana Republic, a few days later they hold their own elections and cant get the results, a lot worse than a Banana Republic because at least there they release results!
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:16 am

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So the Democrats accused Trump of wanting to make the US a Banana Republic, a few days later they hold their own elections and cant get the results, a lot worse than a Banana Republic because at least there they release results!


Is this a feeble attempt at adult humor? :roll:
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:24 am

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AirWorthy99 wrote:
So the Democrats accused Trump of wanting to make the US a Banana Republic, a few days later they hold their own elections and cant get the results, a lot worse than a Banana Republic because at least there they release results!


Is this a feeble attempt at adult humor? :roll:


What says you about this debacle?
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:32 am

AirWorthy99 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
So the Democrats accused Trump of wanting to make the US a Banana Republic, a few days later they hold their own elections and cant get the results, a lot worse than a Banana Republic because at least there they release results!


Is this a feeble attempt at adult humor? :roll:


What says you about this debacle?


My snarky thoughts can be found upthread.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:37 am

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Who knows? Maybe tomorrow Hillary will be declared the victor in Iowa :lol:


Actually that's a touchy subject for Bernie supporters and it counters the "But Hillary won more votes over Trump" complaint, because you see, Bernie actually won more votes in Iowa than Hillary, but Bernice lost the state. (That's what I've been led to believe anyway).

538: The Democratic Reporting of the Iowa Caucus is "somewhere between a sh*tshow and a cluster*uck."

https://youtu.be/Z0j7JTeyIlU

Organizers running precincts for Iowa’s first-in-the-nation presidential caucuses didn’t get to test the mobile app they were to use to report results until just hours before voting began. Iowa party officials had said they would not be sending the new mobile app to precinct chairs for downloading until just before the caucuses to narrow the window for any interference. Some precinct chairs said they had trouble downloading or logging into the app and didn't use it.

An Iowa Democratic Party manual had told caucus organizers that the app was the "preferred method" for reporting results. It listed a single phone number for those who chose to call them in from the 1,678 statewide precincts. The manual laid out how the app would work: Organizers would log into the app using a PIN listed on their Caucus Math Worksheet when they called the meeting to order. They would enter the number of participants and the app would calculate the "viability threshold" for the site.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/election ... story.html

I predict that Iowa will not be the first votes of the 2024 Primaries.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:50 am

DIRECTFLT wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Who knows? Maybe tomorrow Hillary will be declared the victor in Iowa :lol:


Actually that's a touchy subject for Bernie supporters and it counters the "But Hillary won more votes over Trump" complaint, because you see, Bernie actually won more votes in Iowa than Hillary, but Bernice lost the state. (That's what I've been led to believe anyway).

538: The Democratic Reporting of the Iowa Caucus is "somewhere between a sh*tshow and a cluster*uck."

https://youtu.be/Z0j7JTeyIlU

Organizers running precincts for Iowa’s first-in-the-nation presidential caucuses didn’t get to test the mobile app they were to use to report results until just hours before voting began. Iowa party officials had said they would not be sending the new mobile app to precinct chairs for downloading until just before the caucuses to narrow the window for any interference. Some precinct chairs said they had trouble downloading or logging into the app and didn't use it.

An Iowa Democratic Party manual had told caucus organizers that the app was the "preferred method" for reporting results. It listed a single phone number for those who chose to call them in from the 1,678 statewide precincts. The manual laid out how the app would work: Organizers would log into the app using a PIN listed on their Caucus Math Worksheet when they called the meeting to order. They would enter the number of participants and the app would calculate the "viability threshold" for the site.


https://www.chicagotribune.com/election ... story.html

I predict that Iowa will not be the first votes of the 2024 Primaries.


538 and the Chitown Trib are reputable sources now around here? :eek:

In all seriousness though, it was pointed out on MSNBC earlier that this ‘tradition’ of including Iowa’s caucuses on the national level started with the 1972 campaign and made for good TV. That’s not a good reason to keep something obviously dysfunctional going.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:35 am

FTMCPIUS wrote:
DL717 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Something going on in Iowa. Results should have been out a while ago. When asked, only quote so far from an Iowa official was "we want to get this right" I have to say this is beginning to sound sinister.


Gotta laugh. The DNC runs the caucuses not the state. They’ve royally effed this up trying to use some stupid app. So much so that they are calling the campaigns into a meeting.

So, who wants to vote by apps in the next election? Thanks, I’ll take the paper.

What a CF.

What a joke. For starters, these are people who will want to run a national healthcare system.

They already had that chance...and also royally effed that up trying to use some stupid website. :lol:
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:45 am

Trump has already Tweeted, calling what happened in Iowa 'a sloppy train wreck'. It is indeed. 6:30 AM EST and no results yet. This is proving the limitations of technology as to elections, a need to do like most countries do and turn to paper ballots so have an audit trail. Of course this has led to accusations of the Democratic party leaders trying to keep Sanders out of the race, to push for a more 'moderate' that they see will be more likely to have a chance of winning vs. Trump.

The Democrats have deep policy problems that hurt them in 2016 and not going away. They are hoping that the extremism of Trump will turn voters to the Democrats, but some of Trump's views, including as to illegal immigrants and residency, tightening access to the USA from certain countries, lower taxes, cutting 'welfare' spending, especially as to non-Whites, are popular with millions of White voters, just enough in the right states for Trump to win. This debacle in Iowa is just going to make the Democrats look worse.
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:49 am

What happened? Unexpected candidate get highest votes?
 
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Re: Iowa Caucuses (US Presidential Nomination)

Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:46 pm

SanDiegoLover wrote:
I honestly think this is the last time Iowa is the first in the nation to vote, especially if the Democrats lose in November, or if the winner in Iowa is decimated by Super Tuesday. If Democrats and Republicans want to pick one state to lead, then Illinois is the most similar to the US at large vs any other state.

What Iowa will do is winnow the field down to either 4 candidates or 5 candidates depending on how Buttigieg and Klobuchar do tonight. (Bloomberg being a possibility if Biden stumbles tonight and in NH and Nevada or if Bernie looks to run away with it all.)


Looks like one of my predictions has come true. After mucking up the too early announcement in 2016, we have this screwup in 2020. This is really unfortunate and unfair to the winner / winners. The only reason so much money and time get poured into Iowa is the full week of positive news and headlines for the winner. It’s worth millions of $$$ in “free” air time and promotion.

Even if this is a small, technical, hiccup....it sows doubt and confusion into the process and breeds disenfranchisement. Way to f**k it up, Iowa.

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