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Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:12 am

According to sources in Pakistani intelligence and militant circles, the men assassinated were senior members of the Pakistani Taliban - a group that has killed hundreds of Pakistanis in suicide bombings and other attacks. The source within the group acknowledged it was also possible that gunmen or militants linked to Pakistani intelligence services were responsible for the assassination. Pakistan's shadowy ISI intelligence services have in the past conducted other audacious assassinations, targeting figures wanted by Pakistan who were living in Afghanistan. For example, in December 2018 a suicide bombing in an upmarket district of the southern city of Kandahar killed a separatist Pakistani leader who had been living there in exile.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51356940
 
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Re: Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:04 pm

Pakistani isi has also attacked Indian embassy in Kabul a few times.
The above assasination is due to usa wanting Pakistani help in a agreement with the Taliban,
to facilitate withdrawal from Afghanistan. Probably a joint American and Pakistani operation.
 
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Re: Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:54 pm

maint123 wrote:
Pakistani isi has also attacked Indian embassy in Kabul a few times.
The above assasination is due to usa wanting Pakistani help in a agreement with the Taliban,
to facilitate withdrawal from Afghanistan. Probably a joint American and Pakistani operation.


It's definitely plausible, some sources are saying the US wants to announce a withdrawal from Afghanistan by the end of the week. There have been 5 high profile assassinations in Afghanistan this week so I would not rule some backroom coordination between the US and Pakistan's intelligence to speed up the withdrawal process.
 
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Re: Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:49 am

sonicruiser wrote:
maint123 wrote:
Pakistani isi has also attacked Indian embassy in Kabul a few times.
The above assasination is due to usa wanting Pakistani help in a agreement with the Taliban,
to facilitate withdrawal from Afghanistan. Probably a joint American and Pakistani operation.


It's definitely plausible, some sources are saying the US wants to announce a withdrawal from Afghanistan by the end of the week. There have been 5 high profile assassinations in Afghanistan this week so I would not rule some backroom coordination between the US and Pakistan's intelligence to speed up the withdrawal process.

Yup ,Americans and british will sleep with the devil for short term or financial gains. The tin pot dictatorships backed by usa/uk all over the middle east and Pakistan are good examples. No North Korea type sanctions to restore democracy their.
BBC is already putting out articles in the last few months eulogizing the taliban as freedom fighters. No mention of their own troops killed or the thousands of Afghans blown up by these medieval terrorists. No mention of 9/11 either
Guess if u cant beat them ,join them.
 
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Re: Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:26 am

sonicruiser wrote:
For example, in December 2018 a suicide bombing in an upmarket district of the southern city of Kandahar killed a separatist Pakistani leader who had been living there in exile.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51356940


What? A govt agency uses suicide bombers for it's targets? Guess who are the only other people who do that?
 
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Re: Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:00 am

anshabhi wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
For example, in December 2018 a suicide bombing in an upmarket district of the southern city of Kandahar killed a separatist Pakistani leader who had been living there in exile.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51356940


What? A govt agency uses suicide bombers for it's targets? Guess who are the only other people who do that?

Pakistani government trained the Mumbai terrorists who killed 150 civilians in Mumbai. It's a open secret but uk and usa support the military and their coups in Pakistan to get access to Afghanistan. UK supports Pakistan as it created this wonderful country.
 
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Re: Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:28 am

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51486346
"The man accused of masterminding the 2008 Mumbai terror attacks that killed 161 people is to serve two five-and-a-half prison terms concurrently.
Saeed has been wanted by India for years, and is designated as a global terrorist by both the UN and the US, which has a $10m bounty on his head. He's the founder of one of Pakistan's largest militant groups, Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT).
So why has it taken so long to put him behind bars - and will he stay there? The answer is complicated, not least by the fact that Saeed is widely known to have close links with the Pakistani military.

Why punish him now?
The answer may lie in Pakistan's growing international isolation since the mid-2000s, its worsening economic woes and more recently a threat of being blacklisted by the Financial Action Task Force (FATF), the international terror financing and money laundering watchdog.

Significantly, Saeed's conviction comes a week before the Paris-based FATF discusses Pakistan's progress in curbing terror financing.

Pakistan, which has long denied supporting militants to further its foreign policy goals, is already in financial dire straits.

Pakistan's $10m bounty cleric Hafiz Saeed
Viewpoint: Will Pakistan mend its ways on terror?
Mostly ruled by its military, whether directly or indirectly, since its independence in 1947, the country has heavily depended on American and Middle Eastern aid to sustain itself as a viable state.

Experts believe that if Pakistan continues to fail to satisfy the FATF and is downgraded to its blacklist, there could be serious financial and diplomatic implications, including an impact on a bailout it's getting from the International Monetary Fund (IMF).
....."
 
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Re: Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:57 am

anshabhi wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
For example, in December 2018 a suicide bombing in an upmarket district of the southern city of Kandahar killed a separatist Pakistani leader who had been living there in exile.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51356940


What? A govt agency uses suicide bombers for it's targets? Guess who are the only other people who do that?


The tools doing the deeds are irrelevant. they probably don't even know who controls them.
Of relevance are the (master?)minds in the background.
( In most cases and areas the US is strongly involved.)

What I don't get is why those masterminds continue doing extended Whack a Mole
as these assassinations bring only delaying action and no progress
in any discernible way. Neither peace nor a clearing big bang.

Keeping the region festering can only be seen in the expanded global scope.
Uncontrolled access to the interface regions between Iran, the Post Soviet Russian periphery and China
to supply the terrorist elements there.
Murphy is an optimist
 
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Re: Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:03 pm

WIederling wrote:
The tools doing the deeds are irrelevant. they probably don't even know who controls them.
Of relevance are the (master?)minds in the background.
( In most cases and areas the US is strongly involved.)


There is definitely some element of proxy war and asymmetric capabilities at play here. I think to some degree, the role of "masterminds" is severely overplayed when it is debatable if proxies are even taking orders from them. The dynamics or relative lack of a strong central structure among these proxies also happens to its biggest advantage, what makes it so hard to target and so effective against the enemy, since there is no single point of weakness in such a structure.

WIederling wrote:
What I don't get is why those masterminds continue doing extended Whack a Mole
as these assassinations bring only delaying action and no progress
in any discernible way. Neither peace nor a clearing big bang.


I think this actually what they are aiming for, since they know from past experience a blitzkrieg style assault will not work but they also don't want to let the region implode into a power vacuum.
 
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Re: Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:10 pm

Are US Forces Striking TTP in Afghanistan for Islamabad?

Over the last week, several senior members of the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) have been killed in Afghanistan. However, it’s not only the Pakistani Taliban that has suffered heavy losses. A senior member of the Baloch Republican Army (BRA), a militant organization known for targeting Pakistan’s interests, was also killed in Iran a few days ago.

The deaths of the Pakistani Taliban and BRA members comes at a time when the United States and the Afghan Taliban are on the cusp of signing a peace agreement in Afghanistan.

The deaths of several anti-Pakistan militant leaders in Afghanistan and Iran are reflective of several previous such developments where Pakistan’s push to assist Washington in Afghanistan was rewarded with an action against groups that Pakistan considers an enemy. If this is the case, then we may see a wider and targeted campaign against the TTP in Afghanistan in the coming weeks and months.

It’s important to note that, Sheikh Khalid Haqqani, who was one of the most senior members of the TTP was killed last week in an operation carried out by the Afghan security forces. American troops were also part of the operation that assassinated Haqqani. “Haqqani embraced martyrdom while fighting with slaves of the United States,” said the TTP in a statement.

Last year, the U.S. State Department declared the Baloch Liberation Army (BLA) a global terrorist organization and announced “it a crime for anyone in the United States to assist the militants and freezing any U.S. assets they may have.” While Pakistan has called for such an action from the United States for years, the decision to designate the BLA a terrorist organization only came at a time when Pakistan began assisting Washington in furthering the Afghan peace process.

In another development that took place in 2018, a U.S. drone strike killed Mullah Fazlullah the former head of the Pakistani Taliban in the northeastern Afghan province of Kunar. For Pakistan, the death of Fazlullah was probably one of the first occasions when the United States showed its willingness to accommodate Pakistan’s interests in Afghanistan.

In the past, policymakers in Pakistan have accused U.S. and Afghan forces of not doing enough to target TTP fighters in Afghanistan. For Pakistan, the Afghan government and Washington have allowed the TTP to gain a foothold in the country in a so-called “tit for tat” move to punish Islamabad for its ties with the Afghan Taliban.

For many, the United States has willingly allowed the TTP to keep some level of presence in Afghanistan for that would allow Washington to offer Islamabad something in return for its cooperation vis-à-vis talks with Afghan Taliban.

On the other hand, so far, Pakistan has gained strategically for its cooperation with the United States.

First, Pakistan’s two key demands of disallowing TTP and BLA sanctuaries in Afghanistan are being met even before a deal is reached between the United States and the Afghan Taliban. The TTP, which has suffered frequent leadership disputes and other organizational challenges, is the weakest it has ever been. The existing pattern of the group’s senior members’ killings in Afghanistan suggests that more deaths will take place in the coming weeks as Washington comes closer to finalizing a deal with the Afghan Taliban.

Second, the existing developments also suggest that any peace deal between the United States and Afghan Taliban would surely allow space for Pakistan’s interests to develop in ways that also involve forbidding the BLA and the TTP any organizational support in Afghanistan or anywhere in the region. Arguably, the United States wouldn’t be averse to any such collaboration as long as Pakistan stays committed to delivering a peace deal in Afghanistan.

Still, a trust deficit between the Pakistani and Afghan leadership persists. This essentially means that the ongoing operations against the TTP in Afghanistan are by and large a decision made by the U.S. political and military command. It’s unclear whether Pakistan will assist the peace process once the U.S. successfully signs a peace deal with the Taliban as the process enters the next stage and an intra-Afghan dialogue begins. This is the part that could become complex given the troubling history of the Pakistan-Afghanistan bilateral relationship.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/02/are...a ... islamabad/
 
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Re: Pakistan intelligence behind mysterious assassination in Kabul

Thu Feb 20, 2020 11:36 am

Hmm, so basically their are two Taliban terrorists -
1. Afghan Taliban terrorists backed by Pakistan,
fighting the elected Afghan government and American forces.
2. Pakistan Taliban, created in retaliation to the Afghan Taliban.

PM imran supports the Afghan Taliban or the Pakistan Taliban ? I get confused.

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