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MH17-trail, part 1

Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:50 am

Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 was shot down over eastern-Ukraine on July 17, 2014. The international investigation team - JIT - has determined that the aircraft was shot down by a BUK-missile from the Russian military.

The trial of the MH17-case begins on March 9. Three Russians and one Ukrainian will be on trial: Russians Igor Girkin (48), Sergey Dubinsky (56) and Oleg Pulatov (52), and Ukranian Leonid Kharchenko (47). They are suspected of the murder of the 298 passengers of the aircraft, including 196 Dutchmen. The trail is scheduled to last till years end. So let justice prevail and we will see the outcome of this trail and see what the independent judges think of the evidence of the JIT.

I respectfully request that we stay on track with this and only put factual information in, with the proper links to credible sources.
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Re: MH17-trail, part 1

Fri Feb 14, 2020 9:48 am

Now we just need to sort out rendition. ....

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Re: MH17-trail, part 1

Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:14 am

Interesting research done by the University of Leiden and Raam op Rusland in Russia. An opinion poll was done in Russia by house calls, lasting an hour each, asking of the opinion on a range of subjects. The research is academically verified and done under thousand of Russians.

A few points:
> Research shows that Russians judge the Netherlands differently than the Kremlin.
> 55% Russian citizens feel that their country should pay smart money to MH17 survivors, if international research shows that Russia is responsible for the disaster.
> 25% of the Russians who currently find it "difficult to say" who is behind the disaster. A majority of the Russians (53%) are convinced that the Ukrainian army is the culprit.
> The number of Russians that say their own army, Russian volunteers or pro-Russian rebels are the perpetrators is growing. 2015: 2% now 10%.
> The Russian government receives support from its population (75%) in maintaining its own "political course" despite European sanctions.
> CDA MP Chris van Dam: "Russians understand how important this is for relatives, despite the poor information they receive about this disaster," He points to the aid that the Netherlands provided at the time for the salvage of the sunk Russian nuclear submarine Koersk in 2000.
> D'66 MP Sjoerd Sjoerdsma also had to think about the Koersk: "implicitly supporting the MH17 process." "Encouraging Russians to dare to say aloud that justice must be done in this deeply human tragedy."
> VVD MP Sven Koopmans especially noticed the differences between what Russians think and their government: "We must continue to make that distinction." Nevertheless, he thinks that manipulation by Russian propaganda cannot be completely prevented. "Transparency and openness during the process are therefore of great importance."
> Sjoerdsma argues that simultaneous translation into Russian is also available from the court for the live stream. That has not yet been arranged.
> Russians are positive to very positive, says seventy percent, about the Netherlands, 5% are very negative about the Netherlands.
> The Netherlands is named fifth by the Russians in the list of countries with which Russia should maintain a friendship relationship, after China, Germany, the US and France


If one wants to read more:

- MP Sjoerdsma: Have MH17 process translated live into Russian. The Russians must be able to judge for themselves, says the D66 after a survey among Russian citizens.
- Grapperhaus: Russia wanted to try MH17 suspects: The Russian authorities offered the Netherlands in October to try the three Russian suspects in the MH17 trial in Russia itself.
- MH17 process to be fully followed next year via live stream: The criminal proceedings about the disaster with flight MH17 can be followed live online via the internet. The Hague District Court announced this during a briefing for the media.

I agree with our MEP, we need to distinguish between the Putin regime and the Russians. The trail needs to be open, not just in the courtroom, itself, standard practice, but also a live stream with translation in Ukranian, English and Russian. Complete transparent. Good to see that this is being advocated.
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Re: MH17-trail, part 1

Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:10 am

Thanks for the update Dutchy.
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Re: MH17-trail, part 1

Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:51 am

Ukraine shook up their prosecutor's office. Among them, the 6 Ukrainian representatives at the JIT have been fired. It is seen as a bowing for Russia in an attempt to better the relationship. It will have no major consequence for the upcoming trial of the four accused, but it will delay the criminal case to all the others. It is a difficult case. of course, to master.

Reorganization OM "no major consequences" for MH17 process
The Public Prosecution Service (OM) does not expect that the reorganization of the judiciary in Ukraine will have a major impact on the MH17 process in the Netherlands that starts on 9 March.

NRC Handelsblad reported Monday that in recent months all Ukrainian MH-17 prosecutors have been relieved of their duties as part of reforms at the Ukrainian Public Prosecution Service. The international Joint Investigation Team (JIT) investigating the disaster with flight MH17 has always had two Ukrainian prosecutors.

According to the OM, the Netherlands has been informed of the changes in Ukraine. Next, Chief Public Prosecutor Fred Westerbeke, the investigator of the JIT, traveled to Ukraine for consultation. The JIT feared that due to the withdrawal of the Ukrainian prosecutors, a great deal of investigation experience was in danger of disappearing.

"We have received a guarantee from Ukraine that it will remain important that collective memory is not lost," says Brechtje van de Moosdijk, spokesman for the National Prosecutor's Office for the criminal investigation into the disaster with flight MH17.

Westerbeke was promised that a prosecutor, Oleh Peresada, may remain attached to the JIT as a kind of special adviser. He can no longer call himself a public prosecutor.

The JIT is not disappointed. "The work is continuing and we assume that the changes will not have much influence on the process in the Netherlands because the process file is as good as finished", says Van de Moosdijk.

Ukraine is expected to send new prosecutors for the JIT in the short term. One of them is already reading in the many thousands of page criminal file.

The MH17 flight disaster on July 17, 2014 killed 298 people, including 196 Dutchmen.

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Thanks for the update Dutchy.

No problem 8-)
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