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If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:12 pm

... think of the deprivations being faced by our friends in AMS:

Sex clubs in Amsterdam’s “Red Light” district were told to close down and long lines formed at marijuana coffee shops on Sunday, as the Netherlands imposed tight restrictions to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

The government ordered all restaurants, cafes and schools shut down until April 6.

The measure included the famous Dutch bars selling hashish and cannabis and strip clubs, Health Minister Arie Slob said. They were told to stop serving customers at 1800 (1700 GMT) on Sunday.

https://in.reuters.com/article/health-c ... NKBN2120TW
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:26 pm

Just a PSA about toiler paper. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7DjUUnejQo
 
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:32 pm

Revelation wrote:
... think of the deprivations being faced by our friends in AMS:

Sex clubs in Amsterdam’s “Red Light” district were told to close down and long lines formed at marijuana coffee shops on Sunday, as the Netherlands imposed tight restrictions to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

The government ordered all restaurants, cafes and schools shut down until April 6.

The measure included the famous Dutch bars selling hashish and cannabis and strip clubs, Health Minister Arie Slob said. They were told to stop serving customers at 1800 (1700 GMT) on Sunday.

https://in.reuters.com/article/health-c ... NKBN2120TW



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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:33 pm

Revelation wrote:
... think of the deprivations being faced by our friends in AMS:

Sex clubs in Amsterdam’s “Red Light” district were told to close down and long lines formed at marijuana coffee shops on Sunday, as the Netherlands imposed tight restrictions to prevent the spread of coronavirus.

The government ordered all restaurants, cafes and schools shut down until April 6.

The measure included the famous Dutch bars selling hashish and cannabis and strip clubs, Health Minister Arie Slob said. They were told to stop serving customers at 1800 (1700 GMT) on Sunday.

https://in.reuters.com/article/health-c ... NKBN2120TW


It's happening in the US as well. Many bars and Restaurants are being asked to shut down.

Kid Rock is complaining about the Constitution though.
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:40 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Just a PSA about toiler paper. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7DjUUnejQo


Never was a big fan of Toto bidets, for some reason their nozzle can never get enough pressure to properly blast the area clean.
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:37 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Just a PSA about toiler paper. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7DjUUnejQo


Never was a big fan of Toto bidets, for some reason their nozzle can never get enough pressure to properly blast the area clean.



A bidet, one of the dumbest ideas to ever come along.
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:48 am

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A bidet, one of the dumbest ideas to ever come along.


Well, not really. Could be better executed but certainly not a dumb idea considering how washing is better than wiping.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... ks-bidets/
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:13 pm

WarRI1 wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Just a PSA about toiler paper. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7DjUUnejQo


Never was a big fan of Toto bidets, for some reason their nozzle can never get enough pressure to properly blast the area clean.



A bidet, one of the dumbest ideas to ever come along.


Don't know how you can really make that statement although I only have one person I know that has one but they are not in the stores having fist fights over toilet paper either just sayin..
 
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:46 pm

casinterest wrote:
It's happening in the US as well. Many bars and Restaurants are being asked to shut down.

As long as the massage parlors are let to remain open and in service then we are OK..... We are OK....

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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:19 pm

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Just a PSA about toiler paper. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7DjUUnejQo


Never was a big fan of Toto bidets, for some reason their nozzle can never get enough pressure to properly blast the area clean.


So that's a bidet. I always thought it was a 2-in-1 toilet bowl and drinking fountain.
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:51 pm

Tugger wrote:
casinterest wrote:
It's happening in the US as well. Many bars and Restaurants are being asked to shut down.

As long as the massage parlors are let to remain open and in service then we are OK..... We are OK....

Tugg



Never been to one, but part of me thinks the social distancing has gotten ahead of the curve a bit. We may be going through a prolonged exposure process.
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:54 pm

casinterest wrote:
Tugger wrote:
casinterest wrote:
It's happening in the US as well. Many bars and Restaurants are being asked to shut down.

As long as the massage parlors are let to remain open and in service then we are OK..... We are OK....

Never been to one, but part of me thinks the social distancing has gotten ahead of the curve a bit. We may be going through a prolonged exposure process.


I think "exposure" might be the wrong word to use here...

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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:58 pm

alfa164 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Tugger wrote:
As long as the massage parlors are let to remain open and in service then we are OK..... We are OK....

Never been to one, but part of me thinks the social distancing has gotten ahead of the curve a bit. We may be going through a prolonged exposure process.


I think "exposure" might be the wrong word to use here...

;)


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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:36 am

I've used the toilet seat bidets for around 15 years, they are great. Some have more features than a sports car. Heated seats, air dry and blowdown, various was cycles, speeds, and pressures. My problem is they die in 3 to 4 years and cost around $400 to buy. Most have an interlock that prevents the sprayer from going unless there is weight on the seat. I held the seat down and flew the switch. The water spray hit the ceiling - need that interlock - check
 
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:55 am

alfa164 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Tugger wrote:
As long as the massage parlors are let to remain open and in service then we are OK..... We are OK....

Never been to one, but part of me thinks the social distancing has gotten ahead of the curve a bit. We may be going through a prolonged exposure process.


I think "exposure" might be the wrong word to use here...

;)


expect this to be the new normal until a vaccine is available en masse, unless governments have the guts to infect everyone under 40 ~ 50 without medical contradictions with the milder strain of the virus. Two weeks later 0.1% of those are dead, but about half the population is immune, most of the work force is immune..... probably the cheapest way in terms of human life and economic cost. Of course we would need to firm up that it re-infection is not possible first.

On the subject of coffee shops: This is flat our stupid. They should have banned staying in coffee shops, but not the sales itself. Plenty of their customers will just find black market sources, and that is unquestionably more risky that quick over the counter business in places that can be surveyed for hygienic standard. Plus they just handed 1~2 billion or so to organized crime.

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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:28 am

WarRI1 wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Just a PSA about toiler paper. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7DjUUnejQo


Never was a big fan of Toto bidets, for some reason their nozzle can never get enough pressure to properly blast the area clean.



A bidet, one of the dumbest ideas to ever come along.


WHAAT?
I am using the bidet in Vietnam. Easy, clean and comfortable, while watching Westerners slapping each other for a piece of toilet paper.
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:45 am

I have always liked the warm air dry that some of them have, makes me rise to the occasion :spin:
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:24 am

tommy1808 wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Never been to one, but part of me thinks the social distancing has gotten ahead of the curve a bit. We may be going through a prolonged exposure process.


I think "exposure" might be the wrong word to use here...

;)


expect this to be the new normal until a vaccine is available en masse, unless governments have the guts to infect everyone under 40 ~ 50 without medical contradictions with the milder strain of the virus. Two weeks later 0.1% of those are dead, but about half the population is immune, most of the work force is immune..... probably the cheapest way in terms of human life and economic cost. Of course we would need to firm up that it re-infection is not possible first.

On the subject of coffee shops: This is flat our stupid. They should have banned staying in coffee shops, but not the sales itself. Plenty of their customers will just find black market sources, and that is unquestionably more risky that quick over the counter business in places that can be surveyed for hygienic standard. Plus they just handed 1~2 billion or so to organized crime.

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Why inoculate with such a dangerous pathogen when there are already vaccine trials with much safer alternatives. As far as I'm concerned, the efficacy trials need to be started as soon after the safety trials as possible. Also vaccine efficacy trials could be held in the hardest hit cities and include the most vulnerable populations.
 
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 24, 2020 4:00 am

For reference this is a bidet : Image

Invented in France centuries ago, initially for the benefit of women... Common in many countries.

Personally I have one in my bathroom (where I have a shower etc.) and not in the WC. It can also be useful to wash the feet.

The Japanese thing that washes the anus is a nice invention, though.
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 24, 2020 5:46 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
alfa164 wrote:

I think "exposure" might be the wrong word to use here...

;)


expect this to be the new normal until a vaccine is available en masse, unless governments have the guts to infect everyone under 40 ~ 50 without medical contradictions with the milder strain of the virus. Two weeks later 0.1% of those are dead, but about half the population is immune, most of the work force is immune..... probably the cheapest way in terms of human life and economic cost. Of course we would need to firm up that it re-infection is not possible first.

On the subject of coffee shops: This is flat our stupid. They should have banned staying in coffee shops, but not the sales itself. Plenty of their customers will just find black market sources, and that is unquestionably more risky that quick over the counter business in places that can be surveyed for hygienic standard. Plus they just handed 1~2 billion or so to organized crime.

best regards
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Why inoculate with such a dangerous pathogen when there are already vaccine trials with much safer alternatives. As far as I'm concerned, the efficacy trials need to be started as soon after the safety trials as possible. Also vaccine efficacy trials could be held in the hardest hit cities and include the most vulnerable populations.



because you need to vaccinate healthy people and wait quite a while to check how many of those are getting infected.... and that takes a long time. Short of illegal human experimentation there is no way to speed that up (which the Chinese are probably going to use "expendables" like Uighurs and prisoners for).
And this is btw what most governments are trying to do in a sense.. control the spread, but don´t stop it, as that is unlikely to work.

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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:07 am

tommy1808 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

expect this to be the new normal until a vaccine is available en masse, unless governments have the guts to infect everyone under 40 ~ 50 without medical contradictions with the milder strain of the virus. Two weeks later 0.1% of those are dead, but about half the population is immune, most of the work force is immune..... probably the cheapest way in terms of human life and economic cost. Of course we would need to firm up that it re-infection is not possible first.

On the subject of coffee shops: This is flat our stupid. They should have banned staying in coffee shops, but not the sales itself. Plenty of their customers will just find black market sources, and that is unquestionably more risky that quick over the counter business in places that can be surveyed for hygienic standard. Plus they just handed 1~2 billion or so to organized crime.

best regards
Thomas


Why inoculate with such a dangerous pathogen when there are already vaccine trials with much safer alternatives. As far as I'm concerned, the efficacy trials need to be started as soon after the safety trials as possible. Also vaccine efficacy trials could be held in the hardest hit cities and include the most vulnerable populations.



because you need to vaccinate healthy people and wait quite a while to check how many of those are getting infected.... and that takes a long time. Short of illegal human experimentation there is no way to speed that up (which the Chinese are probably going to use "expendables" like Uighurs and prisoners for).
And this is btw what most governments are trying to do in a sense.. control the spread, but don´t stop it, as that is unlikely to work.

best regards
Thomas


So willing participants would be prohibited from participating in accelerated trials? My mother is 83 and lives in the independent living section of a retirement community. How much does she have to lose by participating in a drug trial for a vaccine? She is in a high risk group to get and have serious problems from a COVID-19 infection. The death rate for people 80+ is almost 15%. That's about 1 in 7. Not only that, but people in that age group are pretty unlikely to be put on a ventilator if they get infected.
 
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:16 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:

Why inoculate with such a dangerous pathogen when there are already vaccine trials with much safer alternatives. As far as I'm concerned, the efficacy trials need to be started as soon after the safety trials as possible. Also vaccine efficacy trials could be held in the hardest hit cities and include the most vulnerable populations.



because you need to vaccinate healthy people and wait quite a while to check how many of those are getting infected.... and that takes a long time. Short of illegal human experimentation there is no way to speed that up (which the Chinese are probably going to use "expendables" like Uighurs and prisoners for).
And this is btw what most governments are trying to do in a sense.. control the spread, but don´t stop it, as that is unlikely to work.

best regards
Thomas


So willing participants would be prohibited from participating in accelerated trials? My mother is 83 and lives in the independent living section of a retirement community. How much does she have to lose by participating in a drug trial for a vaccine? She is in a high risk group to get and have serious problems from a COVID-19 infection. The death rate for people 80+ is almost 15%. That's about 1 in 7. Not only that, but people in that age group are pretty unlikely to be put on a ventilator if they get infected.


half of the participants get a placebo..... is she into playing Russian roulette?

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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:42 am

tommy1808 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:


because you need to vaccinate healthy people and wait quite a while to check how many of those are getting infected.... and that takes a long time. Short of illegal human experimentation there is no way to speed that up (which the Chinese are probably going to use "expendables" like Uighurs and prisoners for).
And this is btw what most governments are trying to do in a sense.. control the spread, but don´t stop it, as that is unlikely to work.

best regards
Thomas


So willing participants would be prohibited from participating in accelerated trials? My mother is 83 and lives in the independent living section of a retirement community. How much does she have to lose by participating in a drug trial for a vaccine? She is in a high risk group to get and have serious problems from a COVID-19 infection. The death rate for people 80+ is almost 15%. That's about 1 in 7. Not only that, but people in that age group are pretty unlikely to be put on a ventilator if they get infected.


half of the participants get a placebo..... is she into playing Russian roulette?

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I understand how trials work.

This is a pandemic the like of which haven't been seen since 1918. We should be worried about the risks of using processes designed for controlling endemic diseases that are not a threat to the whole population. There is no herd immunity to this disease anywhere in North America. Less than a million people in the US have been infected at this time. There's about 350 millions other Americans who are fully vulnerable to infection.
 
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Re: If you thought toilet paper shortages were a problem...

Tue Mar 24, 2020 6:58 am

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Less than a million people in the US have been infected at this time.


that would appear to be on the optimistic side

There's about 350 millions other Americans who are fully vulnerable to infection.


Yes, and some of the anti-vaccine stance in the country is due to long memories back to 1976. You can´t fuck this up, or Measles and stuff will be a much bigger problem very quickly in rather short order.

There is also a good argument to be made to isolate and stamp out the more extreme strain and let the mild strain spread, something you automatically get with the current set-up.

This is a big experiment and no one knows what the best strategy is, we can sort that out in a year or two, but pretty much everyone seems to agree that rushing a vaccine isn´t attractive even if it means wrecking the economy.

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