avier wrote:Really?
Yes, really. You called the Supreme Court intervention “fake news and propaganda”. It’s not. The rest of your post is deflection. And full of inaccuracies.
avier wrote: You want to blame the govt because a bunch of imbeciles decided to go on a foreign pilgrimage, that too to Iran of all places on earth, during a global pandemic?
They didn’t go to Iran during a global pandemic.
“Mr. Mustafa, a native of Ladakh, said his relatives from Kargil-Drass travelled along with a group of about 1000 pilgrims to Iran in December last for a three-month trip. They were scheduled to return on various dates from February 26, 2020. However, they were stranded due to the virus outbreak.”
That’s the information given to the Supreme Court. (
https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 181703.ece)
Perhaps you knew in December that COVID-19 would turn into a global pandemic. The rest of us didn’t.
Congratulations on your foresight. Alternatively “fake news”, “propaganda” etc.
avier wrote: Those folks didn't want to cut short their trip because their god is more important than the current global pandemic, and they would be saved by their almighty (?)
“Their god”. “Their almighty”. That’s what this is really about, isn’t it?
To some of us, they’re just Indian citizens stranded in another country in a time of need (global pandemic). To some of us, “their god” is irrelevant to how they, as Indian citizens, should be treated.
avier wrote: Well, yeah their family members can now file cases after the evacuations have already taken place and make it look like it's the govt's responsibility now to handle their misadventures.
They would have cut it short if the Indian Government’a ban on flights to/from Iran had been properly implemented. Like this poorly-implemented lockdown, it wasn’t.
It caught Indian citizens in Iran by surprise and it caught Iranian citizens in India by surprise. So much so that the Iranian government publicly called out the Indian Government:
“Iran has asked India to take immediate steps to evacuate Indians from the Islamic country which has seen the highest number of casualties due to coronavirus outbreak outside China, where the disease originated.
The communication was made in a note verbale issued by the Iranian embassy in Delhi on Saturday.
“It is reminded to kind attention of the esteemed Ministry the necessity for taking immediate and prompt action for transfer of the nationals of both countries who have been affected as a result of the existing limitations,” says the note.”
https://m.hindustantimes.com/india-news ... M_amp.htmlThat note verbale was submitted after the ban. Most countries resolve these things before instituting bans. Iran called for “immediate action” on March 1. The SC is looking at this again on March 30. Quite the prompt response.
avier wrote: And my post was more so directed at the other user who states no evacuation or efforts thereof have been made to brings back Indians from Iran. " Modi rolled his eyes away" like seriously? Ignorant of facts or sheer fakery on here?
Sitting across the globe in some other country, it's easy to harp about things one has no clear understanding of the reality here.
Really? Lol. Here’s what you wrote:
avier wrote:And another user is randomly pitching in some court case angle to these evacuations, which is against false and has no source to back that claim as usual. Some just like to throw fake news and propaganda here even in such times. Sad.
I’m the only “another user” who referred to a court case. My lying eyes.
avier wrote: There have been couple of Air India flights along with GoI charted Mahan Air flights to bring back stranded Indians. On top of that, they're getting a free air ride to various place in Rajasthan for quarantine.
This is from today morning -
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemi ... 71680.htmlWhere were those other bunch, who are stranded now, when these earlier evacuations happened? They thought they'll drag it till the end and then make some excuse they couldn't make it ?
"I shall not leave from here till I've sipped the holy water" ...yikes infected by now.
"Govt rescue us with free flights please", with our relatives filling court cases in India suddenly after the earlier evacuation flights have already happened.
These court cases were filed after the evacuations, so that still remains a big lie that "
evacuations only happen after going through series of court cases" .
Yes, I imagine they’re quite enjoying their extended sojourn in Iran:
“The public interest litigation, filed on behalf of Mustafa MH through advocate Ashish Virmani, claimed that there were 800 such pilgrims, most of them from not too affluent families, stuck in Iran without any food supplies or health facilities. They were expected to return two weeks ago. Of them, 250 may be corona positive, the petition said and expressed the fear that the disease might affect all the others in the group. The petition demanded their immediate evacuation.
The petition said that the pilgrims had been accommodated in hotel rooms in groups of four-five. “It is extremely important to note that the situation of spread of corona is extremely critical in Iran. In fact, there may be as many as 250 people within the group of the aforesaid pilgrims who could be positive for corona. In such a situation, accommodating persons together is a serious health hazard and could lead to disastrous consequences for such pilgrims,” it said.”
https://m.economictimes.com/news/politi ... 846431.cmsNote that they were booked to return two weeks ago (in March). India banned flights in February without adequate warning, stranding Iranian citizens in India, which the Iranian government seems to be more concerned about than Indian citizens like you are about Indian citizens stuck elsewhere.
As an aside, these court cases shouldn’t have to happen at all. Many, many countries are repatriating citizens right now. They don’t have to petition courts to make it happen.
avier wrote: To sum up the plight of these leftovers now, was put across better by this user :
For people in India who watch news, its no surprise that more than 400 people were evacuated from Iran so far. For various reasons, some Indians want to push it till last minute and then scream about it. Same thing happened in yemen few years back when India evacuated Indians, some chose to stay back (incl a christian priest, some nurses from kerala etc) and they were brought back later at huge cost. In Iran, the virus affected much earlier. What were these people doing? Same in Italy/Europe, people were still going on tours/honeymoons etc even end of Feb, and they had to be evacuated back. They don't want to lose their tickets or cut short their trips, and then file cases asking govt to bail them out. Have zero pity for those morons.
I somewhat agree with the other poster that some new money types, who don’t think the rules apply to them, probably travelled to hot zones when they shouldn’t have. That said, it’s quite obviously ridiculous to tar pilgrims who departed on a 3 month pilgrimage before anybody knew there was anything to be concerned about, with the same brush.
If the Indian government had planned this properly, it wouldn’t have been pulled up publicly by the Iranian government for stranding Iranians in India. If the Iranian government didn’t know this ban was coming, how were a bunch of Indian pilgrims in Iran supposed to know?
As for sympathy, these folk fall at the lower end of the income spectrum. That’s not a segment that generates much sympathy in India at the best of times. But this isn’t about sympathy. It’s about nations doing right by their citizens. Regardless of “their god”, “their almighty” etc.