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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:45 pm

This is so wonderful. Japan is encouraging and paying their manufacturers to leave China. The first of many countries to do this I'm sure.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... 7db96e5341
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:51 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
This is so wonderful. Japan is encouraging and paying their manufacturers to leave China. The first of many countries to do this I'm sure.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... 7db96e5341


Wait till Boris gets back form ICU as I have a feeling he will not be nice to China. I’m sure Trump And many more will follow.
Only logical choice.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:57 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
This is so wonderful. Japan is encouraging and paying their manufacturers to leave China. The first of many countries to do this I'm sure.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/ ... 7db96e5341


Wait till Boris gets back form ICU as I have a feeling he will not be nice to China. I’m sure Trump And many more will follow.
Only logical choice.


Agreed. China went too far this time. They've made no apology and no willingness to change anything.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:25 pm

The globalization genie ain't going back in the bottle. But certainly this may have shed some new light on what constitutes a strategic resource.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:09 am

exactly, no one should put their eggs in just one basket.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:14 am

Does anybody know where we can find some data on what Tucker is saying?
Apparently many hospitals are empty and staff is sent home.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status ... 68993?s=20

Also this one is actually funny.
Wonder if somebody will try to use it lol
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/ou ... t-projects

Also not sure if this was posted.
https://twitter.com/wjhenn/status/1248045989497311232
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:27 am

From the first results of the Heinsberg immunity trial, there is one real important result: I have first overseen this part.

Because what has also been shown: "We can reduce the severity of the disease through hygiene measures," said Hartmann. Because the number of pathogens ingested affects how seriously a patient falls ill with Covid-19. By dealing with the disease correctly, one can therefore "design the path so that the mortality rate continues to decrease".


Denn was sich auch gezeigt habe: "Wir können den Schweregrad der Erkrankung durch Hygienemaßnahmen reduzieren", so Hartmann. Denn die Zahl der aufgenommenen Erreger habe Einfluss darauf, wie schwer ein Patient an Covid-19 erkrankt. Durch den richtigen Umgang mit der Seuche könne man daher den "Weg so gestalten, dass die Letalität weiter sinkt".


https://www.n-tv.de/wissen/Heinsberg-Studie-entraetselt-Coronavirus-article21704605.html
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:34 am

One of the remaining conservatives with a brain, Stephen Hayes:

Sad. Imagine thinking about TV ratings right now. Imagine thinking those ratings indicate an interest in you, rather than concern about a global pandemic and the deep recession it has caused. 16,000 dead, 450,000 infected, 16.5 million unemployed.

https://twitter.com/stephenfhayes/statu ... 81345?s=21
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:49 am

Apparently one group in the USA had complete control on contact tracing, Indian Health Services, Dr.Birx was saying their performance was impressive, they had strike teams tracking down every contact. May be local PD Detectives working with State or FBI is the way to go. If I recall Iceland also used these techniques.

Michigan governor continues to tighten the rules. Couple of interesting additions in latest EO.

No travel between two residences. I guess people are still partying, may be neighbors or at friends place.
Big box stores have to cordon off non-essential sections of the store. Can allow only 4 people/1000 square feet. This clearly shows six feet rule was not working.

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309 ... --,00.html
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:49 am

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Silly leap of illogic. Obviously they were trying to bolster domestic supplies because they didn’t know the scale of their issues or success with locking down Hubei. Everything in the PRC is planned, just not in the way you’re suggesting.
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:51 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
Apparently one group in the USA had complete control on contact tracing, Indian Health Services, Dr.Birx was saying their performance was impressive, they had strike teams tracking down every contact. May be local PD Detectives working with State or FBI is the way to go.

Michigan governor continues to tighten the rules. Couple of interesting additions in latest EO.

No travel between two residences. I guess people are still partying, may be neighbors or at friends place.
Big box stores have to cordon off non-essential sections of the store. Can allow only 4 people/1000 square feet. This clearly shows six feet rule was not working.

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309 ... --,00.html


Not only an issue in the US - UK report here about over 500 Mancunian parties shut down by cops in a week:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavi ... r-11971032
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:53 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
Apparently one group in the USA had complete control on contact tracing, Indian Health Services, Dr.Birx was saying their performance was impressive, they had strike teams tracking down every contact. May be local PD Detectives working with State or FBI is the way to go. If I recall Iceland also used these techniques.

Michigan governor continues to tighten the rules. Couple of interesting additions in latest EO.

No travel between two residences. I guess people are still partying, may be neighbors or at friends place.
Big box stores have to cordon off non-essential sections of the store. Can allow only 4 people/1000 square feet. This clearly shows six feet rule was not working.

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309 ... --,00.html


She is the worst of them all. Not allowing families to see each other? And who is she tondecide what is essential in a grocery store?
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:55 am

Aaron747 wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:


Silly leap of illogic. Obviously they were trying to bolster domestic supplies because they didn’t know the scale of their issues or success with locking down Hubei. Everything in the PRC is planned, just not in the way you’re suggesting.


So what is that I am suggesting with my silly logic?
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:56 am

PixelPilot wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:


Silly leap of illogic. Obviously they were trying to bolster domestic supplies because they didn’t know the scale of their issues or success with locking down Hubei. Everything in the PRC is planned, just not in the way you’re suggesting.


So what is that I am suggesting with my silly logic?


Some kind of spy novel plot against the west.
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:00 am

Aaron747 wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Silly leap of illogic. Obviously they were trying to bolster domestic supplies because they didn’t know the scale of their issues or success with locking down Hubei. Everything in the PRC is planned, just not in the way you’re suggesting.


So what is that I am suggesting with my silly logic?


Some kind of spy novel plot against the west.


And where did you read that?
And not sure if you realize but what you just said is silly lol
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:07 am

PixelPilot wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:

So what is that I am suggesting with my silly logic?


Some kind of spy novel plot against the west.


And where did you read that?
And not sure if you realize but what you just said is silly lol


Playing games like that ends for mature people in high school.
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:09 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Apparently one group in the USA had complete control on contact tracing, Indian Health Services, Dr.Birx was saying their performance was impressive, they had strike teams tracking down every contact. May be local PD Detectives working with State or FBI is the way to go. If I recall Iceland also used these techniques.

Michigan governor continues to tighten the rules. Couple of interesting additions in latest EO.

No travel between two residences. I guess people are still partying, may be neighbors or at friends place.
Big box stores have to cordon off non-essential sections of the store. Can allow only 4 people/1000 square feet. This clearly shows six feet rule was not working.

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309 ... --,00.html


She is the worst of them all. Not allowing families to see each other? And who is she tondecide what is essential in a grocery store?


Running a 60% approval rating in a purple state - obviously people disagree with you.
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:10 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Apparently one group in the USA had complete control on contact tracing, Indian Health Services, Dr.Birx was saying their performance was impressive, they had strike teams tracking down every contact. May be local PD Detectives working with State or FBI is the way to go. If I recall Iceland also used these techniques.

Michigan governor continues to tighten the rules. Couple of interesting additions in latest EO.

No travel between two residences. I guess people are still partying, may be neighbors or at friends place.
Big box stores have to cordon off non-essential sections of the store. Can allow only 4 people/1000 square feet. This clearly shows six feet rule was not working.

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309 ... --,00.html


She is the worst of them all. Not allowing families to see each other? And who is she tondecide what is essential in a grocery store?


You can still take care of people/pets in need at different location.

We have a Democratic Governor and Republican President. Sure everybody made mistakes but I think both are doing their best considering individual freedoms and greedy corporate types.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:13 am

Aaron747 wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Some kind of spy novel plot against the west.


And where did you read that?
And not sure if you realize but what you just said is silly lol


Playing games like that ends for mature people in high school.


Assuming dum things normally doesn’t go past middle school.

So to expand on my thought what I meant by planned was if what the media saying is true. Did the CCP actually tell companies to do that. Proof/memo would be nice.
Cause if not, this could be considered as a sort of panic buying to help their fellow countryman and doesn’t have to be seen as premeditated by design.
When shit hit the fan here people are trying to buy supplies from all over the world duh

But obviously in your twisted head if somebody you disagree with mentioned it then it must be a conspiracy or something lol. smh.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:20 am

Aaron747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Apparently one group in the USA had complete control on contact tracing, Indian Health Services, Dr.Birx was saying their performance was impressive, they had strike teams tracking down every contact. May be local PD Detectives working with State or FBI is the way to go. If I recall Iceland also used these techniques.

Michigan governor continues to tighten the rules. Couple of interesting additions in latest EO.

No travel between two residences. I guess people are still partying, may be neighbors or at friends place.
Big box stores have to cordon off non-essential sections of the store. Can allow only 4 people/1000 square feet. This clearly shows six feet rule was not working.

https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309 ... --,00.html


She is the worst of them all. Not allowing families to see each other? And who is she tondecide what is essential in a grocery store?


Running a 60% approval rating in a purple state - obviously people disagree with you.


You should check out her Twitter feed...

She is also a huge hypocrite. She campaigned against gas taxes and then raised them by $.45/gallon. And she's done nothing to fix roads and infrastructure like she promised.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:32 am

Doctor saying delayed antibody test was caused by FDA regulations.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/marty-mak ... st-setback
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:32 am

Anyway, meanwhile, 45 sycophants like Rep. Crenshaw are calling this piece by 43 speechwriter David Frum ‘Chinese propaganda’. Talk about bizarro world - because if you read the Frum piece, every fact within is checkable, and accurate. His analysis is spot-on, the detractors have too much pride to admit it.

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https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/12 ... 41091?s=21
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:53 am

Incredible. Do you think Lenin or Stalin were just poor men? They also killed ten times more people than Hitler.


As awful as communism is, Russians were far better off under the Soviet Union than they ever were under the Tsars. If you've ever been to Russia (I can tell that you haven't) and speak to a regular Russian who's lived through the Soviet Union, they'll tell you they much preferred the Soviet Union to Perestroika and Capitalism. I spoke to a bunch in a place called Strelna last year and all of them vehemently preferred the Soviet Union - more surprising to me than it should have been.

Communism has never been for the people but only for power. This is exactly what is happening in China. Communism.


aaaaand as has been discussed here, China hasn't been remotely communist for 25 years. The Chinese ironically enough are better capitalists than westerners ever were. And the average Chinese person will give a completely opposing answer about the direction of their country since 1990 than a Russian would.

The communists also pose as some kind of intellectuals. Believe in science.


Meanwhile the far right, is always against intellectuals and science....

Aesma wrote:
People read the communist manifesto and agree with it. Others read Ayn Rand and agree with her. Why is one right and the other wrong ?


Ayn Rand is Philosopher In Chief to the morally bankrupt. Karl Marx is Philosopher In Chief to the economically bankrupt. :smile:[/quote]

100 Years of Communism. 100 Million dead.

Those who do not learn history, are doomed to repeat it.

Another philosopher. Karl Marx should have been hanged.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:33 am

casinterest wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Interesting read on Covid-19 and the Genealogy behind it.


Most of the NY cases came from Europe. Not China.
https://news.yahoo.com/most-york-corona ... 29916.html



Shouldn't surprise anyone.
Over 3 million Italians live in NY + millions of people of other EU nationalities.


Possibly, but the issue is that the first US cases were on the west coast. Those cases in theory should have caused more issues in the East than the European cases.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... nts-2020-3

Jan-20 First US case First US case is reported: a 35-year-old man in Snohomish County, Washington.
Feb-21 is when Italy Outbreak began,


January 12th: China makes the complete virus genome available to everyone
Janiary 19th: reliable test protocol available to anyone.

There are really no excuses for the US federal governments failure.

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Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:35 am

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100 Years of Communism. 100 Million dead.

Those who do not learn history, are doomed to repeat it.
.


If that is your argument you probably never want to add up the bodies capitalism has left behind.....

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Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:07 am

Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:17 am

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Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model


Because most Americans are smarter than the whole Trump lot and stayed home, or have been made to stay home by smart governors. That is smack on obvious.

Also, as expected, the folks outside of the "smarter than Trump" group start complaining about not having enough dead.

As predicted over a month ago, fighting Corona actually yielding results will lead to people complaining it wasn´t that bad.

Considering that Fox News is probably responsible for many of the dead by spreading Trumps misinformation, what choice do they have.....

On top of that Fox news is of course back to the lying by omission business, as they, of course, removed the error bars since it doesn´t support their narrative.

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Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:23 am

tommy1808 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model


Because most Americans are smarter than the whole Trump lot and stayed home, or have been made to stay home by smart governors. That is smack on obvious.

Also, as expected, the folks outside of the "smarter than Trump" group start complaining about not having enough dead.

As predicted over a month ago, fighting Corona actually yielding results will lead to people complaining it wasn´t that bad.

Considering that Fox News is probably responsible for many of the dead by spreading Trumps misinformation, what choice do they have.....

On top of that Fox news is of course back to the lying by omission business, as they, of course, removed the error bars since it doesn´t support their narrative.

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Yeah, tons of Trump supporters in NY, NJ, and CT... :roll:
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:27 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model


Because most Americans are smarter than the whole Trump lot and stayed home, or have been made to stay home by smart governors. That is smack on obvious.

Also, as expected, the folks outside of the "smarter than Trump" group start complaining about not having enough dead.

As predicted over a month ago, fighting Corona actually yielding results will lead to people complaining it wasn´t that bad.

Considering that Fox News is probably responsible for many of the dead by spreading Trumps misinformation, what choice do they have.....

On top of that Fox news is of course back to the lying by omission business, as they, of course, removed the error bars since it doesn´t support their narrative.

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Yeah, tons of Trump supporters in NY, NJ, and CT... :roll:


definitely too many.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Unit ... on#Results

But nice how you detract from being disappointed that not enough people die and Fox lying once more...!

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Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:35 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model


Don't remember anything from Statistics 101 thirty years ago, huh? The dude who wrote this op-ed has obviously never seen a histogram in his life.
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:46 am

Aaron747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model


Don't remember anything from Statistics 101 thirty years ago, huh? The dude who wrote this op-ed has obviously never seen a histogram in his life.


and lets not forget that whatever model Trump worked on was orders of magnitude worse than that prediction....... 15 going to almost zero 10 days ago after all!

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Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:54 am

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speedking wrote:
100 Years of Communism. 100 Million dead.

Those who do not learn history, are doomed to repeat it.
.


If that is your argument you probably never want to add up the bodies capitalism has left behind.....

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Oh we would certainly love to see you try...

One of the two economic systems is actually able to exist quite well without an authoritarian political system, so good luck with that.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:57 am

flyguy89 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
speedking wrote:
100 Years of Communism. 100 Million dead.

Those who do not learn history, are doomed to repeat it.
.


If that is your argument you probably never want to add up the bodies capitalism has left behind.....

Best regards
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Oh we would certainly love to see you try...

One of the two economic systems is actually able to exist quite well without an authoritarian political system, so good luck with that.


You're both half-correct. At the end of the day, the imperfection in both systems is they are incapable of tempering corruption and favor.
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:03 am

Fascinating study of antibody serology in 45 COVID patients:

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Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:19 am

Aaron747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model


Don't remember anything from Statistics 101 thirty years ago, huh? The dude who wrote this op-ed has obviously never seen a histogram in his life.


Sorry, I don't recall a statistics lesson while in the womb. But I wish you a happy Good Friday from the US. We don't agree on much of anything but I don't make it personal.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:22 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model


Don't remember anything from Statistics 101 thirty years ago, huh? The dude who wrote this op-ed has obviously never seen a histogram in his life.


Sorry, I don't recall a statistics lesson while in the womb. But I wish you a happy Good Friday from the US. We don't agree on much of anything but I don't make it personal.


CA isn't in the US anymore? :eyebrow: That's a new one! Still 2-something AM out here.

Anyway this may help for the lessons you missed, though it would help that silly op-ed writer more.

http://www.statisticslectures.com/topic ... istograms/
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:37 am

Aaron747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Don't remember anything from Statistics 101 thirty years ago, huh? The dude who wrote this op-ed has obviously never seen a histogram in his life.


Sorry, I don't recall a statistics lesson while in the womb. But I wish you a happy Good Friday from the US. We don't agree on much of anything but I don't make it personal.


CA isn't in the US anymore? :eyebrow: That's a new one! Still 2-something AM out here.

Anyway this may help for the lessons you missed, though it would help that silly op-ed writer more.

http://www.statisticslectures.com/topic ... istograms/


Oh I thought you had bailed when GWB came along. Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:46 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

Sorry, I don't recall a statistics lesson while in the womb. But I wish you a happy Good Friday from the US. We don't agree on much of anything but I don't make it personal.


CA isn't in the US anymore? :eyebrow: That's a new one! Still 2-something AM out here.

Anyway this may help for the lessons you missed, though it would help that silly op-ed writer more.

http://www.statisticslectures.com/topic ... istograms/


Oh I thought you had bailed when GWB came along. Maybe I'm confusing you with someone else.


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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:39 pm

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As awful as communism is, Russians were far better off under the Soviet Union than they ever were under the Tsars. If you've ever been to Russia (I can tell that you haven't) and speak to a regular Russian who's lived through the Soviet Union, they'll tell you they much preferred the Soviet Union to Perestroika and Capitalism. I spoke to a bunch in a place called Strelna last year and all of them vehemently preferred the Soviet Union - more surprising to me than it should have been.

Would probably be a good idea to then talk to people from the Soviet satellite states or otherwise were behind the Iron Curtain. May have a different view of things.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:01 pm

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speedking wrote:
As awful as communism is, Russians were far better off under the Soviet Union than they ever were under the Tsars. If you've ever been to Russia (I can tell that you haven't) and speak to a regular Russian who's lived through the Soviet Union, they'll tell you they much preferred the Soviet Union to Perestroika and Capitalism. I spoke to a bunch in a place called Strelna last year and all of them vehemently preferred the Soviet Union - more surprising to me than it should have been.

Would probably be a good idea to then talk to people from the Soviet satellite states or otherwise were behind the Iron Curtain. May have a different view of things.


Survivor bias, taken to the extreme.
Those, who had it better under Tzar, fled (and have no voice), were shot (and have no voice) or shut up (to survive).
Surviving (other) Russians obviously had it better than that, under USSR. Other ethnicities either had to shut up, or tried to assimilate -- in order to make a career. Being, for example a Pole or a Japanese in interwar USSR was a dangerous occupation. The percentage of those, picked up as "enemy spies", was unhealthy high, compared to Russians. Being a Korean meant deportation to Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan, in the same period. Being a German was OK until June 22, 1941. Then -- deportation to Siberia or Kazakhstan. Being a Jew became a dangerous occupation around 1948.

Also, never forget the power of propaganda and ideology. The wife of Stalin's #2, Molotov, spent several years, criminally sentenced to exile in Kazakhstan, for being a "Jewish nationalist". She was taken back to Moscow in early 1953, in preparation for a show trial over "Jewish nationalist underground"/"Killer doctors 2.0" process. She was saved by the bell with the death of Stalin, and was pardoned and released immediately, by Beria. She remained an ardent Stalinist for the rest of her life.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:29 pm

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Doctor saying delayed antibody test was caused by FDA regulations.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/marty-mak ... st-setback


That's true, and disabling that regulation for this specific pandemic is the right answer (which would have been welcome months earlier).

Neutering the FDA however is a disaster in the making.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:29 pm

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Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model


Because most Americans are smarter than the whole Trump lot and stayed home, or have been made to stay home by smart governors. That is smack on obvious.

Also, as expected, the folks outside of the "smarter than Trump" group start complaining about not having enough dead.

As predicted over a month ago, fighting Corona actually yielding results will lead to people complaining it wasn´t that bad.

Considering that Fox News is probably responsible for many of the dead by spreading Trumps misinformation, what choice do they have.....

On top of that Fox news is of course back to the lying by omission business, as they, of course, removed the error bars since it doesn´t support their narrative.

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So how come the most cases / deaths come from democratic governed regions?
I mean they were the ones encouraging people to go outside, including health advisers.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:31 pm

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PixelPilot wrote:
Doctor saying delayed antibody test was caused by FDA regulations.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/marty-mak ... st-setback


That's true, and disabling that regulation for this specific pandemic is the right answer (which would have been welcome months earlier).

Neutering the FDA however is a disaster in the making.


You're probably right. If they will go and rip some of the red tape that is there to protect people then this will not end up well in the long run.
Wonder how many pharma companies are already thinking how to push certain drugs they have in development so they can skip months and millions of $$ in costs.

Also French seem to be getting the China quality in some cases.
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And something from the “Evil Fox” lol.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:50 pm

For some reason can’t edit last post to add one more link but another promising news potentially?
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:58 pm

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flyguy89 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

If that is your argument you probably never want to add up the bodies capitalism has left behind.....

Best regards
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Oh we would certainly love to see you try...

One of the two economic systems is actually able to exist quite well without an authoritarian political system, so good luck with that.


You're both half-correct. At the end of the day, the imperfection in both systems is they are incapable of tempering corruption and favor.

They are talking about death count not moral behavior.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:59 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model


Because most Americans are smarter than the whole Trump lot and stayed home, or have been made to stay home by smart governors. That is smack on obvious.

Also, as expected, the folks outside of the "smarter than Trump" group start complaining about not having enough dead.

As predicted over a month ago, fighting Corona actually yielding results will lead to people complaining it wasn´t that bad.

Considering that Fox News is probably responsible for many of the dead by spreading Trumps misinformation, what choice do they have.....

On top of that Fox news is of course back to the lying by omission business, as they, of course, removed the error bars since it doesn´t support their narrative.

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Yeah, tons of Trump supporters in NY, NJ, and CT... :roll:


There are more GOP memebers in NY, NJ and CT then there are in the midwest north of Texas West of St Louis, South of Canada and East of Denver
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:29 pm

If you can't buy a mask, make one yourself.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2020/ ... ll-vpx.cnn

And looks like weed is not helping either
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/10/health/s ... index.html

And a bit of fun...
So... is that a far right winger, nazi Trump supporter or a liberal California commie. Explain why. Give me your best shots foreign agents :D
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:07 pm

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Why was the model for projected deaths so off course? Thankfully otnwaa very wrong.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/andrew- ... able-model

Because.... models and projections are by their very design imperfect?

That is why that why the words "models" and "projections" are actually plural and not singular as you used. Look at projected hurricane paths, economic forecasts, or even look at the annual flu (normal) vaccine effectiveness. And if you really want to understand look at projected presidential voting and wins over history!

Models vary based on assumptions, assumptions vary based on the expectations of the person making the model. To say such exercises are not an exact science is an understatement. I would have assumed you understood such things, your posts show you are fairly reasoned, but this is how it is with models and forecasts. Heck, I have three weather apps on my phone and even for today each forecast is different.

If projections were normally always exact the world would be a very different place.

And I will end noting that it is normal to plan for the worst projection. That is why planes are designed as they are etc. No one would fly on a plane not designed to account for such.

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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:08 pm

US COVID-19 fatalities ( https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america ) project as 60,415 fatalities by August 4, 2020, comparable to 58,200 US military fatalities in the Vietnam War ( ref: https://www.arch ives.gov/research/military/vietnam-war/casualty-statistics ). Two clusterf&cks of similar proportion, IMO.
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