PixelPilot wrote:zkojq wrote:PixelPilot wrote:
Obviously.
Good.
So what was your point?
You were pretty specific but you cut my question out of your reply and never answered it.
I'm interested.
I wanted to know how you respond to said situation.
trpmb6 wrote:So what happens in the wake of this virus for the antivaxxer movement? Anecdotally, I haven't seen much from them on my social media pages of late.
Me neither, come to think of it. Every cloud has a silver lining!
Revelation wrote:What is pointless is the average bloke on the street thinking he knows more than scientists with supercomputers crunching the numbers.
Agreed.
Revelation wrote:What kind of social unrest do you get if every hospital bed is full because dumbasses have spread the disease faster than it can be treated?
Well said and I think it's clear that the biggest challenge for governments isn't dealing with the current wave but rather managing the "back to normal" phase without causing a tsunami. Anyone who suggests that there's a simple and straightforward answer to this is talking out of their ass.
Aaron747 wrote:dampfnudel wrote:PixelPilot wrote:
No surprise there. They’ll do anything to cover up. I mean really, how can China have a lower death toll from COVID-19 than Belgium?
It's absolutely inconceivable.
Saving face has always been more important than finding solutions, unfortunately.
Aaron747 wrote:Distancing efforts in major populated areas are playing out more successfully than projections assumed they would be, largely thanks to industries taking action before many state governments or DC did. That's the reason you can feel justified in claiming 'panic' and 'overreaction' - because the public health folks are winning the battle. ANYTIME their projections are wrong, the public is winning. You can't argue with math - because numbers don't care about our feelings.
Exactly. They're literally arguing that "because the solution was effective, there was no problem in the first place". That's the kind of logic a six year old would use.
Tugger wrote:Plain and simple I am not seeing this at all. People are just working their way through something they did not expect nor were prepared for.
I have not seen fights of any scale or anything like the "panic" you claim anywhere. I see coping, some sadness, some surprise going up to and including shock, I see depression, and I see strength and compassion and resilience.
Went shopping today. Everyone was calm and reasonable. If anything I'd say most people I interacted with were more jolly than normal. There's definitely a lot of good will going around which is great to see.
PixelPilot wrote:You have not seen fights for toilet paper, safety items and baby food among other things?
How many have you personally witnessed? Do you mind giving us a rundown of each?
PixelPilot wrote:And that was when most still had jobs so give it some more time when the juicy unemployment bonus expires
Competent governments won't let this happen.
Aaron747 wrote:These are all preventable scenarios provided government has sufficient awareness, management skill, and leadership.
At times like this good governance really shines and the differences between societies with good governance and poor governance becomes really tangible.
PixelPilot wrote:So on one hand you trust the government as long as it is not the one that we have now on the other hand you prove that government can fail, because who is to say that Joe the will do a better job besides wishful thinking?
Your logic is flawed because it is not based on fact but belief that somebody else will do a better job which might as well be the opposite.
You don't think that Joe (or nearly anyone else) would do a better job? I can't stand Joe (nor the morons who keep parroting how electable he is) but Donnie's leadership in this situation is a really, really, really low bar to clear:
January 3: Trump informed of virus.
January 4: Golf.
January 5: Golf.
January 18: Trump's cabinet advises him the virus is serious.
January 18: Golf.
January 19: First U.S. case of COVID-19.
January 19: Golf.
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 1: Golf.
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 2: Golf.
February 19: "I think it's going to work out fine."
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that's a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 25: "Pretty close to air tight." - Larry Kudlow.
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We're going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “We're ordering a lot of supplies. We're ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn't be ordering unless it was something like this. But we're ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
February 28: “Now the Democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that, right? Coronavirus, they’re politicizing it. We did one of the great jobs. You say, ‘How’s President Trump doing?’ They go, ‘Oh, not good, not good.’ They have no clue. They don’t have any clue. They can’t even count their votes in Iowa.” “They tried the impeachment hoax. That was on a perfect conversation. They tried anything. They tried it over and over. They’d been doing it since you got in. It’s all turning. They lost. It’s all turning. Think of it. Think of it. And this is their new hoax.”
February 29: First U.S. death.
March 1: "Everything is really under control."
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault.”
March 6: "It's contained!" - Kellyanne Conway
March 7: "No, I'm not concerned at all. We've done a great job."
March 7: Golf.
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 8: Golf.
March 9: “This blindsided the world.”
March 9: "The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant.”
March 10: "It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
March 13: National Emergency Declaration
March 13: “I don't take responsibility at all”
March 15: "TODAY IS A NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. GOD BLESS EVERYONE!"
March 16: "I give myself a 10 out of 10"
March 17: "I've always known this is a real--this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
You'd have to have your head unbelievably far up your ass to think that was a show of good leadership.
kalvado wrote:I heard a lot of horror stories about US slaughterhouses as well. Honestly speaking, I don't know if those can be made totally sanitary even as a best case. Fecal matter contamination of meat is what drives cooking conditions of many US sold meats.
I think that the cloronated chicken saga in Brexit negotiations made this point pretty clear.
jetwet1 wrote:
Donald is a showman and being right when he is wrong which makes him look stupid paints a target on your back.
GDB wrote:Having a cabinet of total loyalty to a wacky cause rather than experience and competence?
Hence the likes of Patel having one of the great offices of state.
How dare you sir! Matt Hancock has a master's degree from a snobby university. That means he knows far more about what the correct level of PPE is for medical professionals than the medical professionals themselves!
As if a lil ‘ol niche board like a.net is influential enough to be worth paying for messaging on. Keep spinning yarns kid, it’s entertaining AF.
