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Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
We keep hearing about stopping everybody's lives for an indeterminate amount of time, seemingly regardless of any unintended consequences or the possibility of less extreme measures to contain spreading, yet I tend to fail hearing about when and how we get to finally get out of our caves?
Waiting until there are 0 cases might be feasible for smaller countries which never really got badly infected, but waiting for such in Europe or the US is not a viable proposition as it may take months or years.
So where do we go from there? How much do we destroy because we refuse to acknowledge that there are inherent risks to living?
This is the reason I understand the Swedish approach. The number of daily transmission has stabilized. The number of critical cases is no higher than anywhere else. In this state, the number of active cases would eventually stabilize at around the number of daily new cases (roughly 600).
While some places might have the luxury of eliminating the disease (at the cost of isolating themselves from the rest of the World for the foreseeable future), many others will not, and will have to live with the disease. The goal then becomes trying to protect the more vulnerable people and keeping the infection rate manageable for the healthcare system.
So how do we do that?
Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
We keep hearing about stopping everybody's lives for an indeterminate amount of time, seemingly regardless of any unintended consequences or the possibility of less extreme measures to contain spreading, yet I tend to fail hearing about when and how we get to finally get out of our caves?
Waiting until there are 0 cases might be feasible for smaller countries which never really got badly infected, but waiting for such in Europe or the US is not a viable proposition as it may take months or years.
So where do we go from there? How much do we destroy because we refuse to acknowledge that there are inherent risks to living?
This is the reason I understand the Swedish approach. The number of daily transmission has stabilized. The number of critical cases is no higher than anywhere else. In this state, the number of active cases would eventually stabilize at around the number of daily new cases (roughly 600).
While some places might have the luxury of eliminating the disease (at the cost of isolating themselves from the rest of the World for the foreseeable future), many others will not, and will have to live with the disease. The goal then becomes trying to protect the more vulnerable people and keeping the infection rate manageable for the healthcare system.
So how do we do that?
art wrote:Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
Lockdown in the UK is not all positive in terms of communal health. For example, 'body repair' surgery (eg replacement hip, knee, cataract etc procedures) has been halted. More seriously, people with possibly fatal problems (eg cancer) have seen treatment suspended.
Lockdown is not simply economically damaging. My view is that risks should be taken with the level of infection by restarting the most important sectors of the economy with low risk employees (in terms of likely outcome from becoming infected). At worst an increase in disease will result, for which the UK is now adequately prepared, although the administration has been ineffective at exploiting domestic resources to boost personal protection equipment or to act quickly to accept supplies from new suppliers.
So I think a phased return in the direction of normal economic activity should be implemented and the results monitored. Our health system has the capacity to treat far more COVID-19 sufferers than it could a month ago.
By the way, a vaccine developed at Oxford begins human trials Thursday.
dtw2hyd wrote:Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
We can return to new normal with few changes.
Invoke DPA to supply 3-4 Billion surgical masks and gloves. There shouldn't be a shortage of masks and gloves for entire country.
Public outside their home and car should wear mask and gloves. Front line workers should wear PPEs.
Yes I know what CDC, IATA, Sanjay Gupta@CNN, and every expert Doctor/Nurse on TV/Internet told us about masks, just ignore them, they are lying.
Stop wrapping produce in plastic, I think our obsession with plastic wrap and bags increasing the survivability of virus. There need to be some out of box thinking.
I hate to admit but UAE and Emirates are way ahead. Have you seen Emirates crew new look.
It is impossible and useless to test 350 Million if tests are not reliable and there is no remedy.
casinterest wrote:Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
We keep hearing about stopping everybody's lives for an indeterminate amount of time, seemingly regardless of any unintended consequences or the possibility of less extreme measures to contain spreading, yet I tend to fail hearing about when and how we get to finally get out of our caves?
Waiting until there are 0 cases might be feasible for smaller countries which never really got badly infected, but waiting for such in Europe or the US is not a viable proposition as it may take months or years.
So where do we go from there? How much do we destroy because we refuse to acknowledge that there are inherent risks to living?
This is the reason I understand the Swedish approach. The number of daily transmission has stabilized. The number of critical cases is no higher than anywhere else. In this state, the number of active cases would eventually stabilize at around the number of daily new cases (roughly 600).
While some places might have the luxury of eliminating the disease (at the cost of isolating themselves from the rest of the World for the foreseeable future), many others will not, and will have to live with the disease. The goal then becomes trying to protect the more vulnerable people and keeping the infection rate manageable for the healthcare system.
So how do we do that?
Here is what has not happened. People are not being trained to handle the massive influx of cases. Hospitals have furloughed staff for elective surgeries and have not bothered to prepare them for the influx of sick cases. If we are going to lift the restrictions, we need some real world readiness for the issues. People that have died in NY, are having to wait 2-3 months for funeral services as the morgues are all filling up, and they have containers outside hospitals. This is where we are headed.
Most of the world did a good job of social distancing, but now it is beginning to fracture, and this disease is particularly insidious as it can wait 5-14 days before symptoms show. So once each state of normalization occurs, it will take 2-3 weeks to see the full damage..
The real damage will occur going forward as people will not be going to many locations as they do not wish to spread the disease, so many businesses will still suffer. Planes, trains and offices will remain empty. The economy is beyond wrecked, and their needs to be a plan to handle all these bankruptices and layoffs that will occur in the coming months as the pandemic increases in severity.
Sweden has not done as well as everyone thinks when compared to their neighbors. It is also not flattening the curve. their cases are continuing to increase with little sign of flattening.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/sweden/
Francoflier wrote:
There will be little to be gained from jailing people in their own homes in the long term.
Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
We keep hearing about stopping everybody's lives for an indeterminate amount of time, seemingly regardless of any unintended consequences or the possibility of less extreme measures to contain spreading, yet I tend to fail hearing about when and how we get to finally get out of our caves?
Waiting until there are 0 cases might be feasible for smaller countries which never really got badly infected, but waiting for such in Europe or the US is not a viable proposition as it may take months or years.
So where do we go from there? How much do we destroy because we refuse to acknowledge that there are inherent risks to living?
This is the reason I understand the Swedish approach. The number of daily transmission has stabilized. The number of critical cases is no higher than anywhere else. In this state, the number of active cases would eventually stabilize at around the number of daily new cases (roughly 600).
While some places might have the luxury of eliminating the disease (at the cost of isolating themselves from the rest of the World for the foreseeable future), many others will not, and will have to live with the disease. The goal then becomes trying to protect the more vulnerable people and keeping the infection rate manageable for the healthcare system.
So how do we do that?
olle wrote:Sweden givernment now considers that 1/3 of population in stocjholm regions has been infected.
Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
We keep hearing about stopping everybody's lives for an indeterminate amount of time, seemingly regardless of any unintended consequences or the possibility of less extreme measures to contain spreading, yet I tend to fail hearing about when and how we get to finally get out of our caves?
Waiting until there are 0 cases might be feasible for smaller countries which never really got badly infected, but waiting for such in Europe or the US is not a viable proposition as it may take months or years.
So where do we go from there? How much do we destroy because we refuse to acknowledge that there are inherent risks to living?
This is the reason I understand the Swedish approach. The number of daily transmission has stabilized. The number of critical cases is no higher than anywhere else. In this state, the number of active cases would eventually stabilize at around the number of daily new cases (roughly 600).
While some places might have the luxury of eliminating the disease (at the cost of isolating themselves from the rest of the World for the foreseeable future), many others will not, and will have to live with the disease. The goal then becomes trying to protect the more vulnerable people and keeping the infection rate manageable for the healthcare system.
So how do we do that?
Francoflier wrote:There will be little to be gained from jailing people in their own homes in the long term.
PPVRA wrote:Momentum is building to speed the development of coronavirus vaccines by intentionally infecting healthy, young volunteers with the virus. A grass-roots effort has attracted nearly 1,500 potential volunteers for the controversial approach, known as a human-challenge trial.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01179-x
(Link within the article above takes you directly to the organization advocating for this and seeking support, not just volunteers)
casinterest wrote:PPVRA wrote:Momentum is building to speed the development of coronavirus vaccines by intentionally infecting healthy, young volunteers with the virus. A grass-roots effort has attracted nearly 1,500 potential volunteers for the controversial approach, known as a human-challenge trial.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01179-x
(Link within the article above takes you directly to the organization advocating for this and seeking support, not just volunteers)
I think a lot of people will sign up to be volunteers. I would do it if needed.
PPVRA wrote:casinterest wrote:PPVRA wrote:Momentum is building to speed the development of coronavirus vaccines by intentionally infecting healthy, young volunteers with the virus. A grass-roots effort has attracted nearly 1,500 potential volunteers for the controversial approach, known as a human-challenge trial.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01179-x
(Link within the article above takes you directly to the organization advocating for this and seeking support, not just volunteers)
I think a lot of people will sign up to be volunteers. I would do it if needed.
I’d consider, too. But I’d have to get the green light from family and my job, neither of which would be easy...
TTailedTiger wrote:How dumb can people be? A doctor consulting the city of Memphis said that everyone may be wearing masks in restaurants. No, people will not do that. A mask kind of gets in the way of eating and drinking. Memphis is all Democrats and has been for decades. This is the kind of stuff they're coming up with.
TTailedTiger wrote:How dumb can people be? A doctor consulting the city of Memphis said that everyone may be wearing masks in restaurants. No, people will not do that. A mask kind of gets in the way of eating and drinking. Memphis is all Democrats and has been for decades. This is the kind of stuff they're coming up with.
casinterest wrote:TTailedTiger wrote:How dumb can people be? A doctor consulting the city of Memphis said that everyone may be wearing masks in restaurants. No, people will not do that. A mask kind of gets in the way of eating and drinking. Memphis is all Democrats and has been for decades. This is the kind of stuff they're coming up with.
You missed the point. The issue being that being in close proximity within a restaurant exposes you automatically.
dtw2hyd wrote:Austria sees a 90% drop in infections since April 6,2020 mandatory mask rule.
Czech Republic and Slovakia have very low infection rates with their DIY mask campaigns.
https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/2 ... -masks.htm
I hope rest of the developed world gets the point rather than searching for a silver bullet.
An excellent video on the topic of masks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P27HRClMf2U
TTailedTiger wrote:Do you think professors and teachers are going to teach with masks on? How can they interact and have a discussion with students? It is not a solution at all and just one more way that the government wants to control you.
TTailedTiger wrote:Do you think professors and teachers are going to teach with masks on? How can they interact and have a discussion with students? It is not a solution at all and just one more way that the government wants to control you.
yonahleung wrote:TTailedTiger wrote:Do you think professors and teachers are going to teach with masks on? How can they interact and have a discussion with students? It is not a solution at all and just one more way that the government wants to control you.
Yes. And it is common sight here in Hong Kong. You just react and have a discussion with students like normal. Just put one on and see how it goes. Though with the level of speaking necessary, it will probably require a fresh mask after every lecture. But those of us in Hong Kong are already expecting to use 3 masks each day in summer anyway.
flyguy89 wrote:TTailedTiger wrote:Do you think professors and teachers are going to teach with masks on? How can they interact and have a discussion with students? It is not a solution at all and just one more way that the government wants to control you.
What is so hard to understand? You're not wearing a mask literally every moment you're in public...and you don't see that in Asia either. Rather just common sense places and times, such as a public transit, grocery stores and large very crowded enclosed places during flu season and large epidemics.
TTailedTiger wrote:yonahleung wrote:TTailedTiger wrote:Do you think professors and teachers are going to teach with masks on? How can they interact and have a discussion with students? It is not a solution at all and just one more way that the government wants to control you.
Yes. And it is common sight here in Hong Kong. You just react and have a discussion with students like normal. Just put one on and see how it goes. Though with the level of speaking necessary, it will probably require a fresh mask after every lecture. But those of us in Hong Kong are already expecting to use 3 masks each day in summer anyway.
Y'all have fun with that.
Aaron747 wrote:TTailedTiger wrote:yonahleung wrote:Yes. And it is common sight here in Hong Kong. You just react and have a discussion with students like normal. Just put one on and see how it goes. Though with the level of speaking necessary, it will probably require a fresh mask after every lecture. But those of us in Hong Kong are already expecting to use 3 masks each day in summer anyway.
Y'all have fun with that.
The major Asian economies are doing far better than we are with containment and spread. Ya'll have fun with *THAT*.
TTailedTiger wrote:Aaron747 wrote:TTailedTiger wrote:
Y'all have fun with that.
The major Asian economies are doing far better than we are with containment and spread. Ya'll have fun with *THAT*.
I'm not wearing a mask the rest of my life. And do you really think most Americans are smart enough to properly use a mask? They either can only be worn once or mist be sanitized. Many people still aren't washing their hands and plenty don't even wash their clothes after wearing them.
Aaron747 wrote:TTailedTiger wrote:Aaron747 wrote:
The major Asian economies are doing far better than we are with containment and spread. Ya'll have fun with *THAT*.
I'm not wearing a mask the rest of my life. And do you really think most Americans are smart enough to properly use a mask? They either can only be worn once or mist be sanitized. Many people still aren't washing their hands and plenty don't even wash their clothes after wearing them.
Keep moving those goalposts. You changed your argument from ‘they are controlling us’ to ‘we are too dumb to learn’. Science doesn’t care about anyone’s feelings anyway. “For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
TTailedTiger wrote:Aaron747 wrote:TTailedTiger wrote:
I'm not wearing a mask the rest of my life. And do you really think most Americans are smart enough to properly use a mask? They either can only be worn once or mist be sanitized. Many people still aren't washing their hands and plenty don't even wash their clothes after wearing them.
Keep moving those goalposts. You changed your argument from ‘they are controlling us’ to ‘we are too dumb to learn’. Science doesn’t care about anyone’s feelings anyway. “For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I didn't change anything. No reason that controlling a dumb populace isn't a goal of government. Most are incapable of thinking for themselves.
Aaron747 wrote:How limited can imagination be, seems like the real question here. Obviously people are not going to continue covering their mouth with mask when eating and drinking - that’s not even the point.
casinterest wrote:You missed the point. The issue being that being in close proximity within a restaurant exposes you automatically.
flyguy89 wrote:What is so hard to understand?
Aesma wrote:Francoflier : I don't have an answer but you see what's happening in France. The government has proposed a "partial reopening" date, then plans to work on the details in the meantime, floats ideas, etc.
For each idea, you have two camps forming :
- camp 1 : is the government crazy, murderers !
- camp 2 : is the government trying to kill business, insane !
Now even the priests are fuming that their churches might stay closed, haven't they noticed that most of their flock is highly likely to die if they catch the virus ?
Waterbomber2 wrote:Millions of Japanese may be infected with the Coronavirus.
Francoflier wrote:Japan is an interesting case. They never seemed to take the disease seriously. They certainly never seemed to test on a large scale. I wonder how much trying not to lose the Olympics influenced their early management of the outbreak, especially for a country so exposed to tourism from China.
That being said, the figures for Japan, which would have been exposed quite early on, are still quite low. Whether this is due to a generally healthier population, better hygiene, or whether they simply have no idea how big the problem is yet due to lack of testing is still to be known.
So far the number of daily cases remain low compared to Western nations. We shall see what happens with more testing.
TTailedTiger wrote:How dumb can people be? A doctor consulting the city of Memphis said that everyone may be wearing masks in restaurants. No, people will not do that. A mask kind of gets in the way of eating and drinking. Memphis is all Democrats and has been for decades. This is the kind of stuff they're coming up with.
rfields5421 wrote:Francoflier wrote:Japan is an interesting case. They never seemed to take the disease seriously. They certainly never seemed to test on a large scale. I wonder how much trying not to lose the Olympics influenced their early management of the outbreak, especially for a country so exposed to tourism from China.
That being said, the figures for Japan, which would have been exposed quite early on, are still quite low. Whether this is due to a generally healthier population, better hygiene, or whether they simply have no idea how big the problem is yet due to lack of testing is still to be known.
So far the number of daily cases remain low compared to Western nations. We shall see what happens with more testing.
It has been almost 35 years since I lived in Japan, but one thing which I noted when I lived there was face masks.
The Japanese public in general were always quick to wear a cloth face mask if a person had a cough, runny nose or such. It was not polite or socially acceptable to be in public without a mask and any signs of a respiratory infection. People would self-isolate quickly and early.
Maybe they still do that.
rfields5421 wrote:Yokosuka, Yokohama, Tokyo Metro area. Very common in trains and subways, stores on the street. Japanese workers on the base wore masks often.
If an American sailor came in one morning and was coughing, the Japanese workers were usually in masks within hours,
Used to see entire groups of kids walking to school wearing masks.
Etika wrote:olle wrote:Sweden givernment now considers that 1/3 of population in stocjholm regions has been infected.
That was based on a report by Swedish Health Agency that was quickly withdrawn: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidnikel ... us-report/
The numbers in the withdrawn report would have meant that there would have been about 1000 times more cases than than positive tests. Which was so glaringly impossible that it boggles the mind how no-one did a recheck on numbers before publication.
The interesting question is whether the problem is was just in that report or whether it is a problem in the model that the Health Agency has been using for their decision making so far. If the latter, the whole basis of the Swedish strategy for at least few previous weeks might have just gone out the window...
AirWorthy99 wrote:Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
We keep hearing about stopping everybody's lives for an indeterminate amount of time, seemingly regardless of any unintended consequences or the possibility of less extreme measures to contain spreading, yet I tend to fail hearing about when and how we get to finally get out of our caves?
Waiting until there are 0 cases might be feasible for smaller countries which never really got badly infected, but waiting for such in Europe or the US is not a viable proposition as it may take months or years.
So where do we go from there? How much do we destroy because we refuse to acknowledge that there are inherent risks to living?
This is the reason I understand the Swedish approach. The number of daily transmission has stabilized. The number of critical cases is no higher than anywhere else. In this state, the number of active cases would eventually stabilize at around the number of daily new cases (roughly 600).
While some places might have the luxury of eliminating the disease (at the cost of isolating themselves from the rest of the World for the foreseeable future), many others will not, and will have to live with the disease. The goal then becomes trying to protect the more vulnerable people and keeping the infection rate manageable for the healthcare system.
So how do we do that?
Good question, we all are going to get COVID19 some time. The virus won't vanish from earth all of the sudden. We are far from a vaccine and even if the vaccine is effective, to get to 100% of the population will take at the very least a decade.
The vaccine, when it comes, there will already be different mutations of the virus, so lets see what happens.
In the meantime, I hope things open up gradually and try not to create outbreaks that would overwhelm our hospital facilities, we should by now have built sufficient infrastructure for this. COVID19 is going to stick around for a long time and we can't keep hiding under a cave for years. If any of you want to keep hiding, be my guest, but don't force me to do that under the penalty of jail or fines.
All of the governments of the world will do measures like Sweden in the near future, but won't ever admit that they did. Herd immunity, its what will bring the world to normalcy again.
olle wrote:AirWorthy99 wrote:Francoflier wrote:I'm interested to know what proponents of strict lockdowns propose as far as exit strategy.
We keep hearing about stopping everybody's lives for an indeterminate amount of time, seemingly regardless of any unintended consequences or the possibility of less extreme measures to contain spreading, yet I tend to fail hearing about when and how we get to finally get out of our caves?
Waiting until there are 0 cases might be feasible for smaller countries which never really got badly infected, but waiting for such in Europe or the US is not a viable proposition as it may take months or years.
So where do we go from there? How much do we destroy because we refuse to acknowledge that there are inherent risks to living?
This is the reason I understand the Swedish approach. The number of daily transmission has stabilized. The number of critical cases is no higher than anywhere else. In this state, the number of active cases would eventually stabilize at around the number of daily new cases (roughly 600).
While some places might have the luxury of eliminating the disease (at the cost of isolating themselves from the rest of the World for the foreseeable future), many others will not, and will have to live with the disease. The goal then becomes trying to protect the more vulnerable people and keeping the infection rate manageable for the healthcare system.
So how do we do that?
Good question, we all are going to get COVID19 some time. The virus won't vanish from earth all of the sudden. We are far from a vaccine and even if the vaccine is effective, to get to 100% of the population will take at the very least a decade.
The vaccine, when it comes, there will already be different mutations of the virus, so lets see what happens.
In the meantime, I hope things open up gradually and try not to create outbreaks that would overwhelm our hospital facilities, we should by now have built sufficient infrastructure for this. COVID19 is going to stick around for a long time and we can't keep hiding under a cave for years. If any of you want to keep hiding, be my guest, but don't force me to do that under the penalty of jail or fines.
All of the governments of the world will do measures like Sweden in the near future, but won't ever admit that they did. Herd immunity, its what will bring the world to normalcy again.
First as a swede talking fluent spanish and had following spanish and italian news I have been quit unplessient to send my 9 year old girl to school the last few weeks.
I must say I am surprised to see many countries open up this early and not in mid june when summer increase temperatures.
Open up now with the virus active means that you first close everything one month with extreme cost, then you move to a swedish style model where you accept that up to 50% need to get sick.
It seems that swedish tactics has been working ok within most groups exept somali immigrants. Around 40% death comes from this quit small group.
AirWorthy99 wrote:olle wrote:AirWorthy99 wrote:Good question, we all are going to get COVID19 some time. The virus won't vanish from earth all of the sudden. We are far from a vaccine and even if the vaccine is effective, to get to 100% of the population will take at the very least a decade.
The vaccine, when it comes, there will already be different mutations of the virus, so lets see what happens.
In the meantime, I hope things open up gradually and try not to create outbreaks that would overwhelm our hospital facilities, we should by now have built sufficient infrastructure for this. COVID19 is going to stick around for a long time and we can't keep hiding under a cave for years. If any of you want to keep hiding, be my guest, but don't force me to do that under the penalty of jail or fines.
All of the governments of the world will do measures like Sweden in the near future, but won't ever admit that they did. Herd immunity, its what will bring the world to normalcy again.
First as a swede talking fluent spanish and had following spanish and italian news I have been quit unplessient to send my 9 year old girl to school the last few weeks.
I must say I am surprised to see many countries open up this early and not in mid june when summer increase temperatures.
Open up now with the virus active means that you first close everything one month with extreme cost, then you move to a swedish style model where you accept that up to 50% need to get sick.
It seems that swedish tactics has been working ok within most groups exept somali immigrants. Around 40% death comes from this quit small group.
You that are on Sweden, the question is, the hospital and medical infrastructure has it collapsed as a result of this? are you lacking ICU beds? ventilators? we know that deaths are higher than other nations in the region but not as high as France, the UK, Italy and Spain. But the measures we have adopted in the rest of the world initially were supposedly so that we don't over run the medical facilities.
It would seem to me that if we had done the measures that Sweden has done, we might not even have collapsed the hospital infrastructure in the US, we never did anyways, but the levels that it reached at the peak for example in NY was 22%. So Wuhan, Italy and Spain never happened here thankfully. In any case Sweden might just be one of the first nations in the world in a few months, that would have naturally inmmuned their nation from COVID19 without the need for a vaccine, of course the death toll is a bad statistic right now, just that maybe you all got them faster than the rest of the world.
That's all for us to see later on. Too early to tell.
Aaron747 wrote:TTailedTiger wrote:yonahleung wrote:Yes. And it is common sight here in Hong Kong. You just react and have a discussion with students like normal. Just put one on and see how it goes. Though with the level of speaking necessary, it will probably require a fresh mask after every lecture. But those of us in Hong Kong are already expecting to use 3 masks each day in summer anyway.
Y'all have fun with that.
The major Asian economies are doing far better than we are with containment and spread. Ya'll have fun with *THAT*.
RJMAZ wrote:https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-22/only-four-new-cases-coronavirus-nationally/12173702
Australia has done such an excellent job. About 80% of businesses remained open during the lockdown. Living in Melbourne everything feels so normal as everywhere I normally go has remained open. Went to my local hardware store today, then went for a surf and just had dinner at my local kebab shop.
I think once a country reaches a certain percentage of infections the lockdown has to be too severe and long for the population to be OK with it. Singapore has spiked the last couple days because their lockdown has been going for 8 weeks. People only have so much patience.
I hope Australia keeps this "stage 3" lockdown for a couple more months. People are starting to get more confident and going out more so easing restrictions could see a flood of parties and potential virus spread.
Australia might be able to eliminate this entirely. Experts are saying that we have done well better than expected in our supression mode. We have matched New Zealand which was in a more extreme level 4 elimination.mode.