flyguy89 wrote:Aesma wrote:flyguy89 wrote:I am more than sure that Trump is simply using this as a vehicle to deflect some blame, but in this case I don't care. The WHO have proved themselves, from the most charitable perspective, useless (they couldn't do their job blunting future pandemics, but thank God we have them to put out utterly tone deaf recommendations for the world not to drink while they're locked down ). Not just the US, but all member nations should be reevaluating their WHO funding.
At the same time the WHO was praising China, Trump was...praising China. Calling Xi his friend etc., which noone else does. And it seems Trump had tons of info available on what was happening on the ground (was he listening ?).
Frankly, I don't care. Are you seriously intimating that after years of being decried and criticized as racist towards Chinese and being overly belligerent and aggressive to China, that he's in fact now too cozy and friendly to the Chinese? That kind of whataboutism doesn't even pass the smell test.
Was he dismissive of the virus and ill-prepared? Absolutely. So was just about every Western leader until Italy happened, but Trump will have to answer and own up to his response to voters in November. The fact remains however that the international organization dedicated to advancing global health and pandemic prevention parroted deliberately misleading facts and information from China, and actively suppressed inquiry and questioning of the disease's spread...in so doing, almost certainly contributing to the spread becoming a pandemic. As I said before, not just the US, but ALL countries should now be reviewing their WHO funding.Newark727 wrote:zakuivcustom wrote:The bottom line is that Trump response is not perfect, but so of his highly "criticized" (at least by the media...) call did turn out to be the correct thing to do. Travel ban of China then Europe especially was the right call to make, albeit in the latter case, a little bit too late.
People keep saying this, but the devil is in the details. Since they only tested for what country's passport you were holding, the first travel bans were never complete enough to stop the infection arriving, and they couldn't have been, given that there were Americans who couldn't stay abroad indefinitely, so the real crux of the matter was testing the ones who did arrive and being ready for the location and magnitude of the virus' spread.
Wholly agree with you, but you're conflating two separate questions:
Could the travel ban have been executed more effectively? (as you point out, absolutely)
Was Trump wrong to implement travel bans? (Despite the media uproar and despite the WHO saying they weren't even neccessary)
As you say, the devil is certainly in the details, but among the many things he should be criticized for with regard to his response, this is not one of them...particularly when the American and international intelligentsia were dismissive of any types of travel restrictions at that time.
And the most ironic thing as I have said this whole time is that while China can imposed travel restriction on 58.5M of their own people, when US actually decided to imposed restriction on mainland PRC, all of a sudden it is "racist", "unnecessary", "draconian".
Your second point is exactly what I am trying to bring out - yes, the restriction is not perfect (nothing is), but the uproar was NOT over whether the restriction is effective or not, but how "politically incorrect" it is.
Well, political correctness bring you the outbreak in Europe, that is, as crazy as the fact that Italy was actually the one and only European country that imposed any restrictions on people to/from China. Well, as Italy shows, they close off their border, but all the leakages from neighboring countries turn Italy into a nightmare.
Revelation wrote:COVID-19 is coming a bit closer to home. A high school class mate of mine has died from COVID-19. Her 30-something son also has died from COVID-19. A nephew had a strong case and is now recovering but his partner may have caught it in the process. Two former co-workers have it. Two friends have it. A few weeks ago (seems like forever now) a friend died.
Definitely sorry for your losses.
Just show how the virus is no joke. When it hits, it hits, and any statistics goes out of the window.