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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:02 pm

This might actually be a reason why there is a very different response in sweden.

Sweden has calculated that the chance that a vaccine general availsble and safe before end of 2020 is low.

That means that 60% of population will get sick independent how you close down unless you do it until end of the year.

Considering a small immigration group from somalia stands for close 40% of the death numbers calculated of 10 million citizen obviously not following the instructions they have got attending religious meetings etc we are close number like denmark 6 million citizen where the closedown is much stronger not mention UK with its 40000 death for its their population 60 million citizen will be remembered as the worse hit region in Europe beside italy and spain.

On the upside the economicsl disaster even still terrible will hopefully be smaller.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:27 pm

The state of NY just released data, reaffirming that this virus is way more contagious and way much less lethal than originally thought.

NY releases figures estimating 14 percent in state, 20 percent in NYC have had COVID-19


Preliminary data shows about 13.9 percent of the population of New York state — about 2.7 million people — have at some point been infected with coronavirus.

About 3,000 people were randomly tested at grocery stores and other public locations to allow officials to get a broader sense of how widely the virus has spread in New York and how many people might now have immunity.

In New York City, 21 percent of residents had antibodies for coronavirus, compared to 3.6 percent in upstate New York, 16.7 percent in Long Island and 11.7 percent in the Westchester and Rockland area.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... data-shows

This data seems to suggest that more than 1.6 million people in NYC has gotten the virus.

So it will seem that trying to stay away from the virus will not help reopen and get back to normal, but getting natural immunization from it will be the path forward to fully reopening and getting back to 'normal'. Most of the world's population will get the virus at some point, if we want to get back to normal it would mean that at some point we will have to stop avoiding it.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:42 pm

PPVRA wrote:
Momentum is building to speed the development of coronavirus vaccines by intentionally infecting healthy, young volunteers with the virus. A grass-roots effort has attracted nearly 1,500 potential volunteers for the controversial approach, known as a human-challenge trial.

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01179-x


Speaking of that mouthpiece...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IP7A6M3vPAg

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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:48 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
The state of NY just released data, reaffirming that this virus is way more contagious and way much less lethal than originally thought.

NY releases figures estimating 14 percent in state, 20 percent in NYC have had COVID-19


Preliminary data shows about 13.9 percent of the population of New York state — about 2.7 million people — have at some point been infected with coronavirus.

About 3,000 people were randomly tested at grocery stores and other public locations to allow officials to get a broader sense of how widely the virus has spread in New York and how many people might now have immunity.

In New York City, 21 percent of residents had antibodies for coronavirus, compared to 3.6 percent in upstate New York, 16.7 percent in Long Island and 11.7 percent in the Westchester and Rockland area.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... data-shows

This data seems to suggest that more than 1.6 million people in NYC has gotten the virus.

So it will seem that trying to stay away from the virus will not help reopen and get back to normal, but getting natural immunization from it will be the path forward to fully reopening and getting back to 'normal'. Most of the world's population will get the virus at some point, if we want to get back to normal it would mean that at some point we will have to stop avoiding it.



That would give the current death rate from Covid-19 at .77% based on the 20792 lives lost in NY state . This shows that the disease is as deadly as feared. Maybe more so in NY. NY also has the highest official cases in the USA. This indicates that letting people get natural immunity is going be highly deadly. We need to shelter to keep the curve flat so we don't overwhelm hospitals.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:04 pm

casinterest wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
The state of NY just released data, reaffirming that this virus is way more contagious and way much less lethal than originally thought.

NY releases figures estimating 14 percent in state, 20 percent in NYC have had COVID-19


Preliminary data shows about 13.9 percent of the population of New York state — about 2.7 million people — have at some point been infected with coronavirus.

About 3,000 people were randomly tested at grocery stores and other public locations to allow officials to get a broader sense of how widely the virus has spread in New York and how many people might now have immunity.

In New York City, 21 percent of residents had antibodies for coronavirus, compared to 3.6 percent in upstate New York, 16.7 percent in Long Island and 11.7 percent in the Westchester and Rockland area.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... data-shows

This data seems to suggest that more than 1.6 million people in NYC has gotten the virus.

So it will seem that trying to stay away from the virus will not help reopen and get back to normal, but getting natural immunization from it will be the path forward to fully reopening and getting back to 'normal'. Most of the world's population will get the virus at some point, if we want to get back to normal it would mean that at some point we will have to stop avoiding it.



That would give the current death rate from Covid-19 at .77% based on the 20792 lives lost in NY state . This shows that the disease is as deadly as feared. Maybe more so in NY. NY also has the highest official cases in the USA. This indicates that letting people get natural immunity is going be highly deadly. We need to shelter to keep the curve flat so we don't overwhelm hospitals.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


The State of NY said, the death rate according to this is 0.5%

And we have already flattened the curve, are we going to keep moving the goalposts? Feel free to stay home, oh but yes you don't stay home because you have an 'essential job' yet you are telling us the rest of us should.

Hospitals did not get overwhelmed, far from it, the maximum occupancy was 22% in NY, so no point waiting and sheltering and staying under the cave until the virus magically eliminated. It won't, keep those vulnerable and at risk at home, the rest, get on with life and work.

COVID19 will stick around for a long time, and the way forward is herd immunity as this study shows.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:22 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
The state of NY just released data, reaffirming that this virus is way more contagious and way much less lethal than originally thought.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... data-shows

This data seems to suggest that more than 1.6 million people in NYC has gotten the virus.

So it will seem that trying to stay away from the virus will not help reopen and get back to normal, but getting natural immunization from it will be the path forward to fully reopening and getting back to 'normal'. Most of the world's population will get the virus at some point, if we want to get back to normal it would mean that at some point we will have to stop avoiding it.



That would give the current death rate from Covid-19 at .77% based on the 20792 lives lost in NY state . This shows that the disease is as deadly as feared. Maybe more so in NY. NY also has the highest official cases in the USA. This indicates that letting people get natural immunity is going be highly deadly. We need to shelter to keep the curve flat so we don't overwhelm hospitals.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


The State of NY said, the death rate according to this is 0.5%

And we have already flattened the curve, are we going to keep moving the goalposts? Feel free to stay home, oh but yes you don't stay home because you have an 'essential job' yet you are telling us the rest of us should.

Hospitals did not get overwhelmed, far from it, the maximum occupancy was 22% in NY, so no point waiting and sheltering and staying under the cave until the virus magically eliminated. It won't, keep those vulnerable and at risk at home, the rest, get on with life and work.

COVID19 will stick around for a long time, and the way forward is herd immunity as this study shows.



The numbers are a bit off in that article, as the deaths as of today are at 20,792 vs their 15k in the article.

Suffice it to say ,this is much deadlier than the flu by a long shot. Sheltering in place keeps the rates low into the hospital, and gives those that are older a better shot at surviving.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... tes-2020-3
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:44 pm

casinterest wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
casinterest wrote:


That would give the current death rate from Covid-19 at .77% based on the 20792 lives lost in NY state . This shows that the disease is as deadly as feared. Maybe more so in NY. NY also has the highest official cases in the USA. This indicates that letting people get natural immunity is going be highly deadly. We need to shelter to keep the curve flat so we don't overwhelm hospitals.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


The State of NY said, the death rate according to this is 0.5%

And we have already flattened the curve, are we going to keep moving the goalposts? Feel free to stay home, oh but yes you don't stay home because you have an 'essential job' yet you are telling us the rest of us should.

Hospitals did not get overwhelmed, far from it, the maximum occupancy was 22% in NY, so no point waiting and sheltering and staying under the cave until the virus magically eliminated. It won't, keep those vulnerable and at risk at home, the rest, get on with life and work.

COVID19 will stick around for a long time, and the way forward is herd immunity as this study shows.



The numbers are a bit off in that article, as the deaths as of today are at 20,792 vs their 15k in the article.

Suffice it to say ,this is much deadlier than the flu by a long shot. Sheltering in place keeps the rates low into the hospital, and gives those that are older a better shot at surviving.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronav ... tes-2020-3


Unless you are the Governor of Georgia where it really is vital to have those gyms, hair salons, nail bars, tattoo parlors open.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:55 pm

The fever with lock downs leading to famine of biblical proportions:

https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warn ... ty-council

265 million people in danger of death from starvation.

Should we open the economy, accept a couple of million deaths from the fever, or let a lot more starve?

After famine comes war.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:57 pm

Good data from the CDC on hosptialization rates.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/ ... D=ref_fark

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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:18 pm

Nearly all Covid-19 patients put on ventilators in New York's largest health system died, study finds

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/health/c ... index.html

Special Report: As virus advances, doctors rethink rush to ventilate

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN2251PE

I don't have a link, but a week or more ago, a doctor somewhere thought that the ventilators needed to have their basic programming redone to be used to treat the Coronavirus.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:19 pm

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The State of NY said, the death rate according to this is 0.5%

And we have already flattened the curve, are we going to keep moving the goalposts? Feel free to stay home, oh but yes you don't stay home because you have an 'essential job' yet you are telling us the rest of us should.

Hospitals did not get overwhelmed, far from it, the maximum occupancy was 22% in NY, so no point waiting and sheltering and staying under the cave until the virus magically eliminated. It won't, keep those vulnerable and at risk at home, the rest, get on with life and work.

COVID19 will stick around for a long time, and the way forward is herd immunity as this study shows.


Numbers are all over to make any judgement call. Caumo also said plateauing at 1300/day new cases is not sustainable. He also made it clears deaths outside of health system are not counted.

Same story in Michigan, 1300 new cases and 164 deaths, new clusters are popping up.
https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus

3182 in-patients, 1327 in critical care, 1027 on ventilators. That is not a pretty picture.
https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0, ... --,00.html

Daily counts
https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0, ... --,00.html
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:59 pm

AirWorthy99 wrote:
The state of NY just released data, reaffirming that this virus is way more contagious and way much less lethal than originally thought.

NY releases figures estimating 14 percent in state, 20 percent in NYC have had COVID-19


Preliminary data shows about 13.9 percent of the population of New York state — about 2.7 million people — have at some point been infected with coronavirus.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... data-shows

This data seems to suggest that more than 1.6 million people in NYC has gotten the virus.


I am not disputing those numbers, and it would be cause for optimism if the number of people who've had it is truly that high. However, it's important to interpret them with caution, particularly since we don't know anything about the performance characteristics of the tests they used. When diseases are uncommon in a population, a test needs to be very accurate or the number of false positives can easily exceed the number of true positives.

For example, say 10% of the time a test will falsely report a positive result (10% false positive rate, or 90% specificity). If you use this test in a population where only 10% of the population has the disease, you'll wind up with as many false positives as true positives. If only 5% have the disease, you'll have more false positives than true positives. (Assuming everyone who has the disease tests positive; ie, 100% sensitivity, or 0% false negative rate) Many of the lateral flow rapid antibody assays are being marketed as having better performance than that, but not all do. And I don't think any of those marketing claims have been validated. I would assume NY DOH did their homework, but I take nothing for granted.

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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:23 pm

speedking wrote:
The fever with lock downs leading to famine of biblical proportions:

https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warn ... ty-council

265 million people in danger of death from starvation.

Should we open the economy, accept a couple of million deaths from the fever, or let a lot more starve?

After famine comes war.


Agreed. People are not thing about anything other than virus deaths. At this point the cure is worse than the virus. We cannot allow the collapse of civilization.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:41 pm

Remember those projections about 60,000 deaths by August in the US?

Well we are going to hit 50,000 in the next 24 hours, and if the current death rate doesn't change, we will blow through 60,000 by Tuesday/Wednesday next week.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:42 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
speedking wrote:
The fever with lock downs leading to famine of biblical proportions:

https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warn ... ty-council

265 million people in danger of death from starvation.

Should we open the economy, accept a couple of million deaths from the fever, or let a lot more starve?

After famine comes war.


Agreed. People are not thing about anything other than virus deaths. At this point the cure is worse than the virus. We cannot allow the collapse of civilization.


What do you even mean by 'open the economy' at this point? If all restrictions were lifted tomorrow what would practically change aside from many individuals being forced back to work by their employers to cater to demand that may or may not even exist?

If I'm a sit-down restaurant owner or a movie theater owner or what have you and all of a sudden tomorrow there are no restrictions, nothing changes. I still don't open my restaurant because I know there won't be enough demand to warrant the expense of staffing. Not only that, but I'm terrified that if I do call back employees and someone catches coronavirus while on shift, suddenly I'm exposed to a serious lawsuit.

So I'll ask again, what do you mean by open the economy? What changes?

Lifting restrictions does not manufacture demand.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:58 pm

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Revised number are now 26%. Some wrong input gave to high numbers.

I have hard time to believe it. 26% is 2,6 million people infected.
Sweden has about the same population as Belgium. In Belgium, we have more than 2x the amount of confirmed infections. We have 3x the amount of deaths. Yet a recent study showed only 3% with anibodies.

Yes, we test a lot more than Sweden and we count confirmed PLUS assumed deaths. And the 3% study is based on research that's a few weeks old. Current number would be closer to 4%.

So, the Belgian numbers are with 400.000 infections.
The Swedish numbers, far lower than the Belgian, with 2,6 million infections.

Something doesn't add up.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:11 am

GrayMatter wrote:
AirWorthy99 wrote:
The state of NY just released data, reaffirming that this virus is way more contagious and way much less lethal than originally thought.

NY releases figures estimating 14 percent in state, 20 percent in NYC have had COVID-19


Preliminary data shows about 13.9 percent of the population of New York state — about 2.7 million people — have at some point been infected with coronavirus.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... data-shows

This data seems to suggest that more than 1.6 million people in NYC has gotten the virus.


I am not disputing those numbers, and it would be cause for optimism if the number of people who've had it is truly that high. However, it's important to interpret them with caution, particularly since we don't know anything about the performance characteristics of the tests they used. When diseases are uncommon in a population, a test needs to be very accurate or the number of false positives can easily exceed the number of true positives.

For example, say 10% of the time a test will falsely report a positive result (10% false positive rate, or 90% specificity). If you use this test in a population where only 10% of the population has the disease, you'll wind up with as many false positives as true positives. If only 5% have the disease, you'll have more false positives than true positives. (Assuming everyone who has the disease tests positive; ie, 100% sensitivity, or 0% false negative rate) Many of the lateral flow rapid antibody assays are being marketed as having better performance than that, but not all do. And I don't think any of those marketing claims have been validated. I would assume NY DOH did their homework, but I take nothing for granted.

A primer for anyone interested.
https://www.evaluate.com/vantage/articl ... ic-problem


I found some info on the NYDH study. Link below. Could you please take a look and let us know what you think?

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/syste ... -2-igg.pdf
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:18 am

winginit wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
speedking wrote:
The fever with lock downs leading to famine of biblical proportions:

https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warn ... ty-council

265 million people in danger of death from starvation.

Should we open the economy, accept a couple of million deaths from the fever, or let a lot more starve?

After famine comes war.


Agreed. People are not thing about anything other than virus deaths. At this point the cure is worse than the virus. We cannot allow the collapse of civilization.


What do you even mean by 'open the economy' at this point? If all restrictions were lifted tomorrow what would practically change aside from many individuals being forced back to work by their employers to cater to demand that may or may not even exist?

If I'm a sit-down restaurant owner or a movie theater owner or what have you and all of a sudden tomorrow there are no restrictions, nothing changes. I still don't open my restaurant because I know there won't be enough demand to warrant the expense of staffing. Not only that, but I'm terrified that if I do call back employees and someone catches coronavirus while on shift, suddenly I'm exposed to a serious lawsuit.

So I'll ask again, what do you mean by open the economy? What changes?

Lifting restrictions does not manufacture demand.


Good question. I guess the people should have a freedom to choose what to do. Throughout the history, when faced with an enemy and asked to go to the front to defend their way of living, facing almost certain death, some people just don't want to do it. We cannot force the people, it is not war. Yet.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:30 am

speedking wrote:
winginit wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

Agreed. People are not thing about anything other than virus deaths. At this point the cure is worse than the virus. We cannot allow the collapse of civilization.


What do you even mean by 'open the economy' at this point? If all restrictions were lifted tomorrow what would practically change aside from many individuals being forced back to work by their employers to cater to demand that may or may not even exist?

If I'm a sit-down restaurant owner or a movie theater owner or what have you and all of a sudden tomorrow there are no restrictions, nothing changes. I still don't open my restaurant because I know there won't be enough demand to warrant the expense of staffing. Not only that, but I'm terrified that if I do call back employees and someone catches coronavirus while on shift, suddenly I'm exposed to a serious lawsuit.

So I'll ask again, what do you mean by open the economy? What changes?

Lifting restrictions does not manufacture demand.


Good question. I guess the people should have a freedom to choose what to do. Throughout the history, when faced with an enemy and asked to go to the front to defend their way of living, facing almost certain death, some people just don't want to do it. We cannot force the people, it is not war. Yet.


So, to clarify since you didn't really answer the question - you think restrictions should be lifted across the board? Because Brian Kemp of Georgia took that first step and Trump absolutely destroyed him for it both yesterday and today saying it was "too early" to lift restrictions on some businesses. So to recap:

1. Protestors, decked out in Trump attire, protest the restrictions put in place

2. Trump supports those protestors, tweeting things like "LIBERATE MINNESOTA" and so on and so forth

3. Brian Kemp, the Governor of Georgia, re-opens large parts of Georgia. You might say he 'liberated Georgia'

4. Trump, over the course of two days, dunks on Brian Kemp, saying he's made the wrong choice.

I'm very confused.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:46 am

winginit wrote:
speedking wrote:
winginit wrote:

What do you even mean by 'open the economy' at this point? If all restrictions were lifted tomorrow what would practically change aside from many individuals being forced back to work by their employers to cater to demand that may or may not even exist?

If I'm a sit-down restaurant owner or a movie theater owner or what have you and all of a sudden tomorrow there are no restrictions, nothing changes. I still don't open my restaurant because I know there won't be enough demand to warrant the expense of staffing. Not only that, but I'm terrified that if I do call back employees and someone catches coronavirus while on shift, suddenly I'm exposed to a serious lawsuit.

So I'll ask again, what do you mean by open the economy? What changes?

Lifting restrictions does not manufacture demand.


Good question. I guess the people should have a freedom to choose what to do. Throughout the history, when faced with an enemy and asked to go to the front to defend their way of living, facing almost certain death, some people just don't want to do it. We cannot force the people, it is not war. Yet.


So, to clarify since you didn't really answer the question - you think restrictions should be lifted across the board? Because Brian Kemp of Georgia took that first step and Trump absolutely destroyed him for it both yesterday and today saying it was "too early" to lift restrictions on some businesses. So to recap:

1. Protestors, decked out in Trump attire, protest the restrictions put in place

2. Trump supports those protestors, tweeting things like "LIBERATE MINNESOTA" and so on and so forth

3. Brian Kemp, the Governor of Georgia, re-opens large parts of Georgia. You might say he 'liberated Georgia'

4. Trump, over the course of two days, dunks on Brian Kemp, saying he's made the wrong choice.

I'm very confused.


If it is needed to prevent famine with 250 million deaths, yes. As I have stated earlier, I don't trust any government on this planet and don't care what the President of the United States or any other head of state says.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:53 am

speedking wrote:
winginit wrote:
speedking wrote:

Good question. I guess the people should have a freedom to choose what to do. Throughout the history, when faced with an enemy and asked to go to the front to defend their way of living, facing almost certain death, some people just don't want to do it. We cannot force the people, it is not war. Yet.


So, to clarify since you didn't really answer the question - you think restrictions should be lifted across the board? Because Brian Kemp of Georgia took that first step and Trump absolutely destroyed him for it both yesterday and today saying it was "too early" to lift restrictions on some businesses. So to recap:

1. Protestors, decked out in Trump attire, protest the restrictions put in place

2. Trump supports those protestors, tweeting things like "LIBERATE MINNESOTA" and so on and so forth

3. Brian Kemp, the Governor of Georgia, re-opens large parts of Georgia. You might say he 'liberated Georgia'

4. Trump, over the course of two days, dunks on Brian Kemp, saying he's made the wrong choice.

I'm very confused.


If it is needed to prevent famine with 250 million deaths, yes. As I have stated earlier, I don't trust any government on this planet and don't care what the President of the United States or any other head of state says.


To be clear, opening the United States' economy by way of lifting shelter in place restrictions is going to do absolutely nothing to prevent the 250 million deaths warned against in the WFP publication. Those deaths were not forecasted to take place in the United States, but instead a host of predominantly third world countries across Africa and the Middle East. Surely suspending US funding to the WHO will very sadly only worsen that problem. We can put funding toward alleviating the risk there, and shelter in place orders do not at all interfere with our ability to allocate that funding.

So knowing that there is little if any correlation between projected deaths in the WFP warning and the 'opening' of the US economy by way of lifting all restrictions, you're of the opinion that restrictions across the United States should be lifted immediately?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:59 am

speedking wrote:
The fever with lock downs leading to famine of biblical proportions:

https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warn ... ty-council

265 million people in danger of death from starvation.

Should we open the economy, accept a couple of million deaths from the fever, or let a lot more starve?

After famine comes war.


Food production hasn't stopped, food processing neither. Some plants have stopped due to illness in the ranks of employees, but it's rare.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:26 am

winginit wrote:
speedking wrote:
winginit wrote:

So, to clarify since you didn't really answer the question - you think restrictions should be lifted across the board? Because Brian Kemp of Georgia took that first step and Trump absolutely destroyed him for it both yesterday and today saying it was "too early" to lift restrictions on some businesses. So to recap:

1. Protestors, decked out in Trump attire, protest the restrictions put in place

2. Trump supports those protestors, tweeting things like "LIBERATE MINNESOTA" and so on and so forth

3. Brian Kemp, the Governor of Georgia, re-opens large parts of Georgia. You might say he 'liberated Georgia'

4. Trump, over the course of two days, dunks on Brian Kemp, saying he's made the wrong choice.

I'm very confused.


If it is needed to prevent famine with 250 million deaths, yes. As I have stated earlier, I don't trust any government on this planet and don't care what the President of the United States or any other head of state says.


To be clear, opening the United States' economy by way of lifting shelter in place restrictions is going to do absolutely nothing to prevent the 250 million deaths warned against in the WFP publication. Those deaths were not forecasted to take place in the United States, but instead a host of predominantly third world countries across Africa and the Middle East. Surely suspending US funding to the WHO will very sadly only worsen that problem. We can put funding toward alleviating the risk there, and shelter in place orders do not at all interfere with our ability to allocate that funding.

So knowing that there is little if any correlation between projected deaths in the WFP warning and the 'opening' of the US economy by way of lifting all restrictions, you're of the opinion that restrictions across the United States should be lifted immediately?


I'm not talking about the US only. However, the US economy has a huge impact on the rest of the world, its shutdown for sure will increase the famine and deaths around the world and in the US itself. The restrictions should be lifted, if needed to prevent famine and 250 million deaths, in the US and the rest of the world. Or do you think America should come first and you should stay home just because you can?
 
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speedking wrote:

If it is needed to prevent famine with 250 million deaths, yes. As I have stated earlier, I don't trust any government on this planet and don't care what the President of the United States or any other head of state says.


To be clear, opening the United States' economy by way of lifting shelter in place restrictions is going to do absolutely nothing to prevent the 250 million deaths warned against in the WFP publication. Those deaths were not forecasted to take place in the United States, but instead a host of predominantly third world countries across Africa and the Middle East. Surely suspending US funding to the WHO will very sadly only worsen that problem. We can put funding toward alleviating the risk there, and shelter in place orders do not at all interfere with our ability to allocate that funding.

So knowing that there is little if any correlation between projected deaths in the WFP warning and the 'opening' of the US economy by way of lifting all restrictions, you're of the opinion that restrictions across the United States should be lifted immediately?


I'm not talking about the US only. However, the US economy has a huge impact on the rest of the world, its shutdown for sure will increase the famine and deaths around the world and in the US itself. The restrictions should be lifted, if needed to prevent famine and 250 million deaths, in the US and the rest of the world. Or do you think America should come first and you should stay home just because you can?


Yeah I don't know why people can't understand this. The lockdown is going to kill far more people than the virus.
 
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sk ... infectants

It cannot get any better than this folks. Rambling on as usual.
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I'm not convinced that the US being open or closed has anything to do with this.

Furthermore it's easy to understand we're not talking about the same people. I don't know anybody likely to die from starvation, and if I did I would directly help (I give to several NGOs providing food and nutrients to people in my country and in developed countries). Plenty of people in my family (my parents and their siblings, spouses etc.) and acquaintances are likely to not fare well if infected by COVID.
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The brain has died, but the mouth continues on...

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Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:09 am

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speedking wrote:
winginit wrote:

To be clear, opening the United States' economy by way of lifting shelter in place restrictions is going to do absolutely nothing to prevent the 250 million deaths warned against in the WFP publication. Those deaths were not forecasted to take place in the United States, but instead a host of predominantly third world countries across Africa and the Middle East. Surely suspending US funding to the WHO will very sadly only worsen that problem. We can put funding toward alleviating the risk there, and shelter in place orders do not at all interfere with our ability to allocate that funding.

So knowing that there is little if any correlation between projected deaths in the WFP warning and the 'opening' of the US economy by way of lifting all restrictions, you're of the opinion that restrictions across the United States should be lifted immediately?


I'm not talking about the US only. However, the US economy has a huge impact on the rest of the world, its shutdown for sure will increase the famine and deaths around the world and in the US itself. The restrictions should be lifted, if needed to prevent famine and 250 million deaths, in the US and the rest of the world. Or do you think America should come first and you should stay home just because you can?


Yeah I don't know why people can't understand this. The lockdown is going to kill far more people than the virus.


Then what. should. we. do. articulate it. be specific.

Because Brian Kemp tried to open up Georgia and your boy Trump, who you said would go down as one of the best presidents in history, obliterated him for it.
 
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:14 am

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Do you charge for the time Trump lives in your head? Do you charge for text/email updates? Do you have hobbies like knitting or Angry Birds? You really need to drop President watching.

It's rather interesting that you don't address what Trump has said and instead complain about someone bringing up his remarks.

Given that he's been pushing a treatment that has been not shown to work (and has caused at least one death (the couple from Arizona)), given that he loves the poorly educated, what's so say that someone won't inject bleach or another disinfectant because "Trump said it could work"?
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Do you charge for the time Trump lives in your head? Do you charge for text/email updates? Do you have hobbies like knitting or Angry Birds? You really need to drop President watching.


It's pretty much on EVERY news channel, no need to sign up for anything.

Now the question is, how long till people start following his advice and Trump starts killing more of the people who vote for him......
 
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:31 am

He is actively encouraging the non-educated public to embrace unscientific ideas while surrounded by scientists at a time when only science can provide the answers. If he knows what he's doing, it's diabolically irresponsible - if he doesn't, it's just more evidence of abject incompetence and ignorance.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:36 am

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speedking wrote:
The fever with lock downs leading to famine of biblical proportions:

https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warn ... ty-council

265 million people in danger of death from starvation.

Should we open the economy, accept a couple of million deaths from the fever, or let a lot more starve?

After famine comes war.


Agreed. People are not thing about anything other than virus deaths. At this point the cure is worse than the virus. We cannot allow the collapse of civilization.


Everybody is talking about re-opening in phases, when the proper testing and scientifically-recommended tracing protocols are in place. Only your crowd is in the 'this is going on forever - they want it to never end' frame of mind.

And in poll after poll, a majority of Americans agrees reopening too fast is too risky. There is no need to circle the hamster wheel endlessly on this - there is what epidemiologists think, and then there's emotional or ignorant opinions. I know which most intelligent people will side with, do you?
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 3:55 am

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TTailedTiger wrote:
speedking wrote:
The fever with lock downs leading to famine of biblical proportions:

https://www.wfp.org/news/wfp-chief-warn ... ty-council

265 million people in danger of death from starvation.

Should we open the economy, accept a couple of million deaths from the fever, or let a lot more starve?

After famine comes war.


Agreed. People are not thing about anything other than virus deaths. At this point the cure is worse than the virus. We cannot allow the collapse of civilization.


Everybody is talking about re-opening in phases, when the proper testing and scientifically-recommended tracing protocols are in place. Only your crowd is in the 'this is going on forever - they want it to never end' frame of mind.

And in poll after poll, a majority of Americans agrees reopening too fast is too risky. There is no need to circle the hamster wheel endlessly on this - there is what epidemiologists think, and then there's emotional or ignorant opinions. I know which most intelligent people will side with, do you?


It's my perception that some are enjoying the misery and the increase in government control that the virus brings. As a libertarian I truly believe in my body my choice. I support a woman's right to choose up to the point of viability, I support all drug use, and I support the right to kill yourself. I'm not a hypocrite. Don't tell me that I have to wear a mask when I'm not sick. If I want to take the risk then that's my choice. I do not want the US looking like communist China has for decades with everyone wearing masks. It creates a very cold and impersonal society. China seems devoid of all love, human contact, and emotion.
 
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:07 am

Its a matter of hours until someone tries it. Their kids are eating Tide pods, so why not inject clorox.
 
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Aaron747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

Agreed. People are not thing about anything other than virus deaths. At this point the cure is worse than the virus. We cannot allow the collapse of civilization.


Everybody is talking about re-opening in phases, when the proper testing and scientifically-recommended tracing protocols are in place. Only your crowd is in the 'this is going on forever - they want it to never end' frame of mind.

And in poll after poll, a majority of Americans agrees reopening too fast is too risky. There is no need to circle the hamster wheel endlessly on this - there is what epidemiologists think, and then there's emotional or ignorant opinions. I know which most intelligent people will side with, do you?


It's my perception that some are enjoying the misery and the increase in government control that the virus brings. As a libertarian I truly believe in my body my choice. I support a woman's right to choose up to the point of viability, I support all drug use, and I support the right to kill yourself. I'm not a hypocrite. Don't tell me that I have to wear a mask when I'm not sick. If I want to take the risk then that's my choice. I do not want the US looking like communist China has for decades with everyone wearing masks. It creates a very cold and impersonal society. China seems devoid of all love, human contact, and emotion.


Assumptions and perceptions do not change the reality scientific inquiry exposes.
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:36 am

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TTailedTiger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Everybody is talking about re-opening in phases, when the proper testing and scientifically-recommended tracing protocols are in place. Only your crowd is in the 'this is going on forever - they want it to never end' frame of mind.

And in poll after poll, a majority of Americans agrees reopening too fast is too risky. There is no need to circle the hamster wheel endlessly on this - there is what epidemiologists think, and then there's emotional or ignorant opinions. I know which most intelligent people will side with, do you?


It's my perception that some are enjoying the misery and the increase in government control that the virus brings. As a libertarian I truly believe in my body my choice. I support a woman's right to choose up to the point of viability, I support all drug use, and I support the right to kill yourself. I'm not a hypocrite. Don't tell me that I have to wear a mask when I'm not sick. If I want to take the risk then that's my choice. I do not want the US looking like communist China has for decades with everyone wearing masks. It creates a very cold and impersonal society. China seems devoid of all love, human contact, and emotion.


Assumptions and perceptions do not change the reality scientific inquiry exposes.


Science once told us that people should swallow tape works to lose weight and medicate with cocaine.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:44 am

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Aaron747 wrote:
It's my perception that some are enjoying the misery and the increase in government control that the virus brings. As a libertarian I truly believe in my body my choice. I support a woman's right to choose up to the point of viability, I support all drug use, and I support the right to kill yourself. I'm not a hypocrite. Don't tell me that I have to wear a mask when I'm not sick. If I want to take the risk then that's my choice. I do not want the US looking like communist China has for decades with everyone wearing masks. It creates a very cold and impersonal society. China seems devoid of all love, human contact, and emotion.


The face mask is not meant to protect yourself, it is meant to protect others.

Do your libertarian views allow for putting others in danger because you want to do as you please?

Most people in China or Asia do not wear mask. Only when they are sick or in times of epidemic.
What is it with you and masks? It is a potential attenuating factor to a massive societal issue.

You're not a libertarian, you're just selfish and whimsical.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:58 am

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TTailedTiger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
It's my perception that some are enjoying the misery and the increase in government control that the virus brings. As a libertarian I truly believe in my body my choice. I support a woman's right to choose up to the point of viability, I support all drug use, and I support the right to kill yourself. I'm not a hypocrite. Don't tell me that I have to wear a mask when I'm not sick. If I want to take the risk then that's my choice. I do not want the US looking like communist China has for decades with everyone wearing masks. It creates a very cold and impersonal society. China seems devoid of all love, human contact, and emotion.


The face mask is not meant to protect yourself, it is meant to protect others.

Do your libertarian views allow for putting others in danger because you want to do as you please?

Most people in China or Asia do not wear mask. Only when they are sick or in times of epidemic.
What is it with you and masks? It is a potential attenuating factor to a massive societal issue.

You're not a libertarian, you're just selfish and whimsical.


If you are sick or afraid of getting sick then you shouldn't be out of your house unless going to the doctor. You do not get to tell healthy people that they must remain on what is essentially house arrest.
 
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:00 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

It's my perception that some are enjoying the misery and the increase in government control that the virus brings. As a libertarian I truly believe in my body my choice. I support a woman's right to choose up to the point of viability, I support all drug use, and I support the right to kill yourself. I'm not a hypocrite. Don't tell me that I have to wear a mask when I'm not sick. If I want to take the risk then that's my choice. I do not want the US looking like communist China has for decades with everyone wearing masks. It creates a very cold and impersonal society. China seems devoid of all love, human contact, and emotion.


Assumptions and perceptions do not change the reality scientific inquiry exposes.


Science once told us that people should swallow tape works to lose weight and medicate with cocaine.


Completely invalid argument. If you understood the scientific method, you'd know why. Not understanding something doesn't mean you're right, and an established system of inquiry is wrong. Not understanding things also doesn't change objective reality, as much as your feelings may tell you so.
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:13 am

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TTailedTiger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Assumptions and perceptions do not change the reality scientific inquiry exposes.


Science once told us that people should swallow tape works to lose weight and medicate with cocaine.


Completely invalid argument. If you understood the scientific method, you'd know why. Not understanding something doesn't mean you're right, and an established system of inquiry is wrong. Not understanding things also doesn't change objective reality, as much as your feelings may tell you so.


If you can't admit that sometimes the science is wrong then there's no use in discussing this further.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:28 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:

Science once told us that people should swallow tape works to lose weight and medicate with cocaine.


Completely invalid argument. If you understood the scientific method, you'd know why. Not understanding something doesn't mean you're right, and an established system of inquiry is wrong. Not understanding things also doesn't change objective reality, as much as your feelings may tell you so.


If you can't admit that sometimes the science is wrong then there's no use in discussing this further.


Scientific inquiry is defined by testing ideas and proving they are wrong until they're not. You're not doing that at all by proving yourself right about facts known today because something was wrong a century ago. That's just denial. You are selectively highlighting things to fit your feelings, and that's just plain logical fallacy. Now, if you were presenting some well-tested evidence that counters what is known about viral transfers in aerosols and sputum, that would be one thing, but that's not your argument.
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The suicides caused by the high unemployment of a global economic crash will kill more than the virus ever could. Get back to work!
 
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1. Protestors, decked out in Trump attire, protest the restrictions put in place

2. Trump supports those protestors, tweeting things like "LIBERATE MINNESOTA" and so on and so forth

3. Brian Kemp, the Governor of Georgia, re-opens large parts of Georgia. You might say he 'liberated Georgia'

4. Trump, over the course of two days, dunks on Brian Kemp, saying he's made the wrong choice.

I'm very confused.


Nowhere near as confused as Don appears to be. In this, as in many things, he appears to be a paragon of incapability and incompetence.
 
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TTailedTiger wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
It's my perception that some are enjoying the misery and the increase in government control that the virus brings. As a libertarian I truly believe in my body my choice. I support a woman's right to choose up to the point of viability, I support all drug use, and I support the right to kill yourself. I'm not a hypocrite. Don't tell me that I have to wear a mask when I'm not sick. If I want to take the risk then that's my choice. I do not want the US looking like communist China has for decades with everyone wearing masks. It creates a very cold and impersonal society. China seems devoid of all love, human contact, and emotion.


Do your libertarian views allow for putting others in danger because you want to do as you please?

Please don't call him a libertarian...we're not anti-science or anarchists.
 
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Francoflier wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:


Do your libertarian views allow for putting others in danger because you want to do as you please?

Please don't call him a libertarian...we're not anti-science or anarchists.


You are completely missing the root word of libertarian...

If you want to wear a face mask or hide under your bed then that's just fine by me. I would never support someone forcing you to do the opposite of those things. So keep your hands off of my body and rights.
 
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:25 am

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Francoflier wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:


The face mask is not meant to protect yourself, it is meant to protect others.

Do your libertarian views allow for putting others in danger because you want to do as you please?

Most people in China or Asia do not wear mask. Only when they are sick or in times of epidemic.
What is it with you and masks? It is a potential attenuating factor to a massive societal issue.

You're not a libertarian, you're just selfish and whimsical.


If you are sick or afraid of getting sick then you shouldn't be out of your house unless going to the doctor. You do not get to tell healthy people that they must remain on what is essentially house arrest.


It is not about you getting sick or not, it is about you spreading the infection because have decided that your 'liberties' extend beyond those of others. You are one of those who believes in absolutisms when none exist in a society. 'Absolute freedom' does not exist. Your freedom stops where that of another person begins.
The goal of any measure implemented today is not to remove your 'freedoms', it is to prevent spreading the disease to others, especially those who are more vulnerable, and to prevent exceeding the healthcare system's ability to cope.

I am sorry that your are unable to understand this. Putting your personal will and desires above that of others around you, especially when it directly affects their health, is the very definition of selfishness.

And for the record, I am not in favor of home lockdowns. They serve a purpose in those Western nations who were much too late in acting upon the disease and created an initial overwhelming wave of infection which hospitals could not cope with, as they help flattening the curve. The problem is that once they have achieved this goal, they become counterproductive and are unsustainable over a period of more than a few weeks.

There is no way to stop the disease. It will progress through the population as diseases which encounter no mass immunity do, i.e.: it will likely keep infecting people until a vaccine is found or to a maximum of about 25% of the population, whichever comes first. This is the reality that we now have to live with and manage, and there are several ways of doing this.

Some will tell us to just 'stay home'. Except this has no deadline, no exit strategy and an unrealistic expectation of how much our society is able to sustain it before the side effects become worse than the disease. Waiting for 0 cases is not feasible anymore, so we either remain in hiding (which we can't) or the virus starts spreading again (which it will in any case).

Some (like yourself) tell us to just proceed as if nothing is happening and ignore reality. The problem with this is that the exponential infection curve will pick up again and quickly overwhelm the healthcare system. While you have made it very clear that you are happy with thousands dying at home due to the lack of hospital beds and healthcare professionals, most fortunately aren't.

That leaves us with the option to try something in the middle, as is being done successfully in other nations, where some semblant of normal life can continue, but with restrictions to help suppress transmission as much as possible. And this only works with a cooperating population that is willing to make a few sacrifices for the greater good.
We're talking about everyone maintaining proper hygiene, maintaining social distancing as much as possible, staying home when sick, following a few rules and, yes, wearing a mask to protect others.
It works, but it requires the exact opposite of your mindset.
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

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I'd say a good 50% of drivers in the US should never have received a license. In Florida we have people 95 and over still driving. They are dangerous and far more of a threat than a healthy person spreading germs. Why is one ok but not the other?
 
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/skbaer/coronavirus-trump-light-disinfectants

It cannot get any better than this folks. Rambling on as usual.


Just awesomely dumb. Fauci must die a little every time Trump stands in front of a microphone. By the way where is Fauci?

tootallsd wrote:
Its a matter of hours until someone tries it. Their kids are eating Tide pods, so why not inject clorox.


And shove a light bulb up their asses. Adds a whole new dimension to "seeing the light". :rotfl:
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:53 am

Here we go with the false equivalencies again...

Whether a driver is fit to drive or not should not be based on your own judgement. Given that I think little of your reasoning abilities and that you seem to easily become emotional and angered, I estimate that you shouldn't drive either. But neither of us is in any position to make that judgement, fortunately.

If you look at the causes of driving accidents, all are the result of illegal behaviors: distraction (cellphones), alcohol, speeding, etc. Which is why we are supposed to follow the laws of the road to prevent accidents and harm to others. We all use the road and are all expected to drive safely to safeguard our own safety and that of other road users.
Unless you fundamentally disagree with that paradigm, then why would the same behavior not apply to a society afflicted by a contagious disease where we all become a potential risk to others around us?

As a 'libertarian', are you ok with driving drunk, 20 mph above the limit while texting just because you feel it should be your right?
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Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:02 am

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I have hard time to believe it. 26% is 2,6 million people infected.
Sweden has about the same population as Belgium. In Belgium, we have more than 2x the amount of confirmed infections. We have 3x the amount of deaths. Yet a recent study showed only 3% with anibodies.

Yes, we test a lot more than Sweden and we count confirmed PLUS assumed deaths. And the 3% study is based on research that's a few weeks old. Current number would be closer to 4%.

So, the Belgian numbers are with 400.000 infections.
The Swedish numbers, far lower than the Belgian, with 2,6 million infections.

Something doesn't add up.


Maybe the fact that the population density is Sweden 23 against Belgium 376 can be a good reason ?

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