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PixelPilot
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:30 am

2122M wrote:
apodino wrote:
That being said, if Biden is the nominee and is still on the ballot in November, at the moment my vote will be for Justin Amash.


Let me get this right. You would vote for pro-choice, democratic socialist, medicare for all, green new deal advocating, gun-control advocate Sanders if he were on the ticket. Or you would vote for Cuomo, who is pro-choice, pro green new deal, pro-gun control, pro-obamacare. But if Biden is on the ticket, there is now way you you vote for him, even though he is pro-choice, pro-gun control, and pro saving the environment. Instead you would vote for pro-life, anti-environmental legislation, pro-gun, free market healthcare Amash.

That just doesn't make sense to me at all.


I guess you are not really following what’s happening in America.
Read those tweets under the article.
The hypocrisy of people that used #metoo to try to ruin Kavanuaghs life now all of a sudden have a change of heart cause we’re talking about Biden.
Luckily young people and crazy for me to say this as most of them are heavily into communism appear to be smarter or at least have bigger integrity that the core of the democrats.
They won’t vote for Biden just cause the left hates Trump.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Green Party and republicans would become reality in this country within next 10-20 years lol. Dems are literally setting fires under their own feet. Their arrogance is unreal.

https://twitter.com/harvard4bernie/stat ... 99905?s=21

This one hits even harder.
Coming from former national press secretary of Bernie.
https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/ ... 90273?s=21
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:19 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:
apodino wrote:
That being said, if Biden is the nominee and is still on the ballot in November, at the moment my vote will be for Justin Amash.


Let me get this right. You would vote for pro-choice, democratic socialist, medicare for all, green new deal advocating, gun-control advocate Sanders if he were on the ticket. Or you would vote for Cuomo, who is pro-choice, pro green new deal, pro-gun control, pro-obamacare. But if Biden is on the ticket, there is now way you you vote for him, even though he is pro-choice, pro-gun control, and pro saving the environment. Instead you would vote for pro-life, anti-environmental legislation, pro-gun, free market healthcare Amash.

That just doesn't make sense to me at all.


I guess you are not really following what’s happening in America.
Read those tweets under the article.
The hypocrisy of people that used #metoo to try to ruin Kavanuaghs life now all of a sudden have a change of heart cause we’re talking about Biden.
Luckily young people and crazy for me to say this as most of them are heavily into communism appear to be smarter or at least have bigger integrity that the core of the democrats.
They won’t vote for Biden just cause the left hates Trump.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Green Party and republicans would become reality in this country within next 10-20 years lol. Dems are literally setting fires under their own feet. Their arrogance is unreal.

https://twitter.com/harvard4bernie/stat ... 99905?s=21

This one hits even harder.
Coming from former national press secretary of Bernie.
https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/status/ ... 90273?s=21



"Oh no, Biden's got a potential sex scandal, I'd better ditch all of my values and policy beliefs and vote for someone who feels the exact opposite of me on every issue, and in doing so essentially help to elect yet another guy with a ton of sex scandals in his past, some of which he even bragged about and seems quite proud of, and also will steer the country in the opposite direction from the one I want."

The choice is Biden or Trump. If you think Biden has one potential sex scandal, you have to accept that Trump has many. So if that's the issue you care most about, you vote for Biden.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:04 pm

2122M wrote:
Let me get this right. You would vote for pro-choice, democratic socialist, medicare for all, green new deal advocating, gun-control advocate Sanders if he were on the ticket. Or you would vote for Cuomo, who is pro-choice, pro green new deal, pro-gun control, pro-obamacare. But if Biden is on the ticket, there is now way you you vote for him, even though he is pro-choice, pro-gun control, and pro saving the environment. Instead you would vote for pro-life, anti-environmental legislation, pro-gun, free market healthcare Amash.

That just doesn't make sense to me at all.


You should research Cuomo's positions a little more closely. He is fiscally Conservative and from what I know not in line with AOC on any of her crazy ideas. He is socially liberal but Green new deal? It would bankrupt the state. I mean how many Dems have asked businesses to come and if they did paid no taxes for 10 years? Not many.
I am the Googlizer!!!
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:33 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
2122M wrote:
Let me get this right. You would vote for pro-choice, democratic socialist, medicare for all, green new deal advocating, gun-control advocate Sanders if he were on the ticket. Or you would vote for Cuomo, who is pro-choice, pro green new deal, pro-gun control, pro-obamacare. But if Biden is on the ticket, there is now way you you vote for him, even though he is pro-choice, pro-gun control, and pro saving the environment. Instead you would vote for pro-life, anti-environmental legislation, pro-gun, free market healthcare Amash.

That just doesn't make sense to me at all.


You should research Cuomo's positions a little more closely. He is fiscally Conservative and from what I know not in line with AOC on any of her crazy ideas. He is socially liberal but Green new deal? It would bankrupt the state. I mean how many Dems have asked businesses to come and if they did paid no taxes for 10 years? Not many.


https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/govern ... ive-budget

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environm ... ange-cuomo

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xzb ... n-new-deal

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebel ... 47ab8f59bd

https://streeteasy.com/blog/what-is-nycs-mansion-tax/
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:37 pm

2122M wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
2122M wrote:
Let me get this right. You would vote for pro-choice, democratic socialist, medicare for all, green new deal advocating, gun-control advocate Sanders if he were on the ticket. Or you would vote for Cuomo, who is pro-choice, pro green new deal, pro-gun control, pro-obamacare. But if Biden is on the ticket, there is now way you you vote for him, even though he is pro-choice, pro-gun control, and pro saving the environment. Instead you would vote for pro-life, anti-environmental legislation, pro-gun, free market healthcare Amash.

That just doesn't make sense to me at all.


You should research Cuomo's positions a little more closely. He is fiscally Conservative and from what I know not in line with AOC on any of her crazy ideas. He is socially liberal but Green new deal? It would bankrupt the state. I mean how many Dems have asked businesses to come and if they did paid no taxes for 10 years? Not many.


https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/govern ... ive-budget

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environm ... ange-cuomo

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xzb ... n-new-deal

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebel ... 47ab8f59bd

https://streeteasy.com/blog/what-is-nycs-mansion-tax/


His Green deal is quite a bit different than AOC. It's ok I will be rid of this state by 2030. Oh you forgot this

https://www.newsday.com/business/cuomo- ... -1.8333490
I am the Googlizer!!!
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:48 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
2122M wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:

You should research Cuomo's positions a little more closely. He is fiscally Conservative and from what I know not in line with AOC on any of her crazy ideas. He is socially liberal but Green new deal? It would bankrupt the state. I mean how many Dems have asked businesses to come and if they did paid no taxes for 10 years? Not many.


https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/govern ... ive-budget

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environm ... ange-cuomo

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8xzb ... n-new-deal

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebel ... 47ab8f59bd

https://streeteasy.com/blog/what-is-nycs-mansion-tax/


His Green deal is quite a bit different than AOC. It's ok I will be rid of this state by 2030. Oh you forgot this

https://www.newsday.com/business/cuomo- ... -1.8333490


Your link is 8 years old. Times change, views evolve.

And Cuomo's plan is a little less aggressive than AOC's plan for sure, but the meat and potatoes are the same.

Something that is allowed to happen in a functioning party is debate about the finer points of an agenda, or even larger policy debates about how to achieve a common goal. In the GOP you have to toe Trump's line exactly or you're out.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:15 pm

The documents saga still going.
If Biden wants this to go away he should unseal them.
I don't think he will be able to ride it out. To many angry woman and you can't sway those away same way that with "some" taxes if we were to bring Trump into this.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/univer ... -former-vp
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:29 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
The documents saga still going.
If Biden wants this to go away he should unseal them.
I don't think he will be able to ride it out. To many angry woman and you can't sway those away same way that with "some" taxes if we were to bring Trump into this.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/univer ... -former-vp


Thank god Trump kept his word and released his tax returns after he got elected.

My point being this: If you think all of this makes Biden somehow unfit to be president, then you should be calling for Trump removal from office everyday.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:40 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
The documents saga still going.
If Biden wants this to go away he should unseal them.
I don't think he will be able to ride it out. To many angry woman and you can't sway those away same way that with "some" taxes if we were to bring Trump into this.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/univer ... -former-vp


Thank god Trump kept his word and released his tax returns after he got elected.

My point being this: If you think all of this makes Biden somehow unfit to be president, then you should be calling for Trump removal from office everyday.


Are you even reading what I write?
This is about chances of being elected not morality.

Also:
Presidents are not required BY LAW to release taxes.
Sexual assault is A CRIME.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:45 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
The documents saga still going.
If Biden wants this to go away he should unseal them.
I don't think he will be able to ride it out. To many angry woman and you can't sway those away same way that with "some" taxes if we were to bring Trump into this.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/univer ... -former-vp


Thank god Trump kept his word and released his tax returns after he got elected.

My point being this: If you think all of this makes Biden somehow unfit to be president, then you should be calling for Trump removal from office everyday.


Are you even reading what I write?
This is about chances of being elected not morality.

Also:
Presidents are not required BY LAW to release taxes.
Sexual assault is A CRIME.


If there was any real concern that the docs held by the university contained evidence of A CRIME, there would be A SEARCH WARRANT and the police would do AN INVESTIGATION.

On the other hand, the audio from the Access Hollywood tape is basically A CONFESSION to sexual assault which is, as you so clearly put it, A CRIME.

The university, in lieu of a search warrant, is not required BY LAW to release anything.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:52 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:

Thank god Trump kept his word and released his tax returns after he got elected.

My point being this: If you think all of this makes Biden somehow unfit to be president, then you should be calling for Trump removal from office everyday.


Are you even reading what I write?
This is about chances of being elected not morality.

Also:
Presidents are not required BY LAW to release taxes.
Sexual assault is A CRIME.


If there was any real concern that the docs held by the university contained evidence of A CRIME, there would be A SEARCH WARRANT and the police would do AN INVESTIGATION.

On the other hand, the audio from the Access Hollywood tape is basically A CONFESSION to sexual assault which is, as you so clearly put it, A CRIME.

The university, in lieu of a search warrant, is not required BY LAW to release anything.


I thought you were talking about taxes?
Now it is a confession? If so then why wasn't he arrested?

By not releasing it Biden is pretty much making people think he did it though i GENUINELY believe he doesn't remember lol.
The difference here is that this is election time and #metoo disclosed their hypocrisy which rubs many people in the wrong way
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:00 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:

Are you even reading what I write?
This is about chances of being elected not morality.

Also:
Presidents are not required BY LAW to release taxes.
Sexual assault is A CRIME.


If there was any real concern that the docs held by the university contained evidence of A CRIME, there would be A SEARCH WARRANT and the police would do AN INVESTIGATION.

On the other hand, the audio from the Access Hollywood tape is basically A CONFESSION to sexual assault which is, as you so clearly put it, A CRIME.

The university, in lieu of a search warrant, is not required BY LAW to release anything.


I thought you were talking about taxes?
Now it is a confession? If so then why wasn't he arrested?

By not releasing it Biden is pretty much making people think he did it though i GENUINELY believe he doesn't remember lol.
The difference here is that this is election time and #metoo disclosed their hypocrisy which rubs many people in the wrong way


My point is, you are happily attacking Biden for doing things that Trump has done 10 time over. So do you really want to talk about hypocrisy?
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:07 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:

If there was any real concern that the docs held by the university contained evidence of A CRIME, there would be A SEARCH WARRANT and the police would do AN INVESTIGATION.

On the other hand, the audio from the Access Hollywood tape is basically A CONFESSION to sexual assault which is, as you so clearly put it, A CRIME.

The university, in lieu of a search warrant, is not required BY LAW to release anything.


I thought you were talking about taxes?
Now it is a confession? If so then why wasn't he arrested?

By not releasing it Biden is pretty much making people think he did it though i GENUINELY believe he doesn't remember lol.
The difference here is that this is election time and #metoo disclosed their hypocrisy which rubs many people in the wrong way


My point is, you are happily attacking Biden for doing things that Trump has done 10 time over. So do you really want to talk about hypocrisy?


I am talking they both suck but Biden is doing it wrong during election year.
I don't understand how can you not see this lol.
I do not approve of Trumps doing. I simply comment on what Biden is doing NOW in regards to being a presidential candidate.
We already know how / what Trump is.
The problem here is the left is vilifying the right and acting like they have some moral higher ground yet their candidate is EXACTLY like the one they complain about 24/7 + has 40 year history of being against many things that the left demands these days.
Dems think people are stupid and can't see that. Literally. And yes that makes them hypocrites and people are seeing it through.

#meetoo is the nail here because it touched a base that uses emotions way more than reason and for the record in this case they are right.
Sexual abuse is a emotional disaster for the victims and people that are close to them.
If they would go after Biden same way they went for Kavanaugh things would be as they were. Not anymore. That ship already sailed and dems are shooting themselves in the foot every time they speak (or stay silent for this long) now.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:21 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:

I thought you were talking about taxes?
Now it is a confession? If so then why wasn't he arrested?

By not releasing it Biden is pretty much making people think he did it though i GENUINELY believe he doesn't remember lol.
The difference here is that this is election time and #metoo disclosed their hypocrisy which rubs many people in the wrong way


My point is, you are happily attacking Biden for doing things that Trump has done 10 time over. So do you really want to talk about hypocrisy?


I am talking they both suck but Biden is doing it wrong during election year.
I don't understand how can you not see this lol.
I do not approve of Trumps doing. I simply comment on what Biden is doing NOW in regards to being a presidential candidate.
We already know how / what Trump is.
The problem here is the left is vilifying the right and acting like they have some moral higher ground yet their candidate is EXACTLY like the one they complain about 24/7 + has 40 year history of being against many things that the left demands these days.
Dems think people are stupid and can't see that. Literally.


I'm talking about the practical application of the issues you are raising. Biden is not the only presidential candidate this year. Trump is one too. And in November, people will have to make a choice between the two. So I think it's 100% valid to compare everything Biden is doing to everything Trump has done. In fact, discussing the actions of one without comparing them to the actions of the other would be downright irresponsible.

So lets put it all out there. November is right around the corner, who are you going to vote for? Biden, with one potential sex scandal, or Trump, with many, many confirmed sex scandals. Biden, with some old college documents being withheld, or Trump who never released his tax returns, as is the custom for all candidates and something he promised to do. Biden, who's son worked for a private Ukrainian firm, or Trump, who hired most of his family to work for the US government in positions they are not at all qualified for?
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:31 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:

My point is, you are happily attacking Biden for doing things that Trump has done 10 time over. So do you really want to talk about hypocrisy?


I am talking they both suck but Biden is doing it wrong during election year.
I don't understand how can you not see this lol.
I do not approve of Trumps doing. I simply comment on what Biden is doing NOW in regards to being a presidential candidate.
We already know how / what Trump is.
The problem here is the left is vilifying the right and acting like they have some moral higher ground yet their candidate is EXACTLY like the one they complain about 24/7 + has 40 year history of being against many things that the left demands these days.
Dems think people are stupid and can't see that. Literally.


I'm talking about the practical application of the issues you are raising. Biden is not the only presidential candidate this year. Trump is one too. And in November, people will have to make a choice between the two. So I think it's 100% valid to compare everything Biden is doing to everything Trump has done. In fact, discussing the actions of one without comparing them to the actions of the other would be downright irresponsible.

So lets put it all out there. November is right around the corner, who are you going to vote for? Biden, with one potential sex scandal, or Trump, with many, many confirmed sex scandals. Biden, with some old college documents being withheld, or Trump who never released his tax returns, as is the custom for all candidates and something he promised to do. Biden, who's son worked for a private Ukrainian firm, or Trump, who hired most of his family to work for the US government in positions they are not at all qualified for?


In this scenario you will vote for the one that you (as a reasonable person) dislike less. Since their character is pretty much same you have to look at what they are trying to achieve.
My vote would go for Trump because his stance on China can make Mex / US / Canada a actual thing and release us from the super high dependency from a communistic regime that threatens withholding medical supplies cause they feel hurt because they were caught lying about a deadly virus. 10 years from now this has a potential to make this neck of the woods extremely powerful and in many ways self sufficient. Ultimately this is exactly what we need.

Vote for Biden means China goes back to growing while US is going back to being more dependent. He's not gonna change. Not a chance. 40 years in office, 8 as VP got us here. 3 years of Trump is just a drop in the bucket of what Biden was doing in the past 37 years up till this point.

Also FBI and Flynn lawyers that were Obama buddies framing the guy to submission (looks like it) is rubbing me wrong.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:36 pm

Joe Biden has tried several times to run for the Democrats' Presidential nomination and failed or gave up runs, he may have to do that now from the sexual assault allegations, along with questions about his age, general health, questions as to his mental abilities, too much dumb stuff he has said, his 'touch-feely' behaviors with women and his son's shady Ukrainian energy company work. Then the question is who do you run that would have a chance to beat Trump by the EC vote and how do you do that without tearing the party apart.

For sure Sanders supporters will demand as was in 2nd Place in delegates, then he would have to be the nominee. Problems with Sanders is his 'socialism' ideas would be used like a massive club by Trump and Republicans and may turn off many critical White voters where HRC lost in 2016. Biden has little favor with Sanders supporters as Biden has a strong history of pro-corporate, more like Republican policy beliefs. Anyone but Sanders chosen would be seen as a coup by the Democratic party elites, who are more like to choose a candidate, like Biden and unlike Sanders, who would take dirty campaign financing bribes from the rich and corporate interests. The mess of the party candidate would cause many Democrats and independents to not vote at all, Trump wins by default.

For Democrats, their goal is to take back the WH and Senate, keep the House, for all the money, bribes, power and patronage they have, less about the policies of Trump and Republicans. The decision to keep or ditch Biden will be made to reach that goal.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:54 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:

I am talking they both suck but Biden is doing it wrong during election year.
I don't understand how can you not see this lol.
I do not approve of Trumps doing. I simply comment on what Biden is doing NOW in regards to being a presidential candidate.
We already know how / what Trump is.
The problem here is the left is vilifying the right and acting like they have some moral higher ground yet their candidate is EXACTLY like the one they complain about 24/7 + has 40 year history of being against many things that the left demands these days.
Dems think people are stupid and can't see that. Literally.


I'm talking about the practical application of the issues you are raising. Biden is not the only presidential candidate this year. Trump is one too. And in November, people will have to make a choice between the two. So I think it's 100% valid to compare everything Biden is doing to everything Trump has done. In fact, discussing the actions of one without comparing them to the actions of the other would be downright irresponsible.

So lets put it all out there. November is right around the corner, who are you going to vote for? Biden, with one potential sex scandal, or Trump, with many, many confirmed sex scandals. Biden, with some old college documents being withheld, or Trump who never released his tax returns, as is the custom for all candidates and something he promised to do. Biden, who's son worked for a private Ukrainian firm, or Trump, who hired most of his family to work for the US government in positions they are not at all qualified for?


In this scenario you will vote for the one that you (as a reasonable person) dislike less. Since their character is pretty much same you have to look at what they are trying to achieve.
My vote would go for Trump because his stance on China can make Mex / US / Canada a actual thing and release us from the super high dependency from a communistic regime that threatens withholding medical supplies cause they feel hurt because they were caught lying about a deadly virus. 10 years from now this has a potential to make this neck of the woods extremely powerful and in many ways self sufficient. Ultimately this is exactly what we need.

Vote for Biden means China goes back to growing while US is going back to being more dependent. He's not gonna change. Not a chance. 40 years in office, 8 as VP got us here. 3 years of Trump is just a drop in the bucket of what Biden was doing in the past 37 years up till this point.

Also FBI and Flynn lawyers that were Obama buddies framing the guy to submission (looks like it) is rubbing me wrong.


So you care deeply about the sexual assault accusations except when it turns out that the guy you like more (for perfectly valid policy reasons) is dirtier than Biden. Now all of a sudden its about policies and issues.

Hey, I wish we could just throw out all the personal stuff and stick to the issues. But you were the one that brought up all of this in the first place, so I think it's a tad hypocritical for you to pretend now that its a non-factor.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:09 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:

I'm talking about the practical application of the issues you are raising. Biden is not the only presidential candidate this year. Trump is one too. And in November, people will have to make a choice between the two. So I think it's 100% valid to compare everything Biden is doing to everything Trump has done. In fact, discussing the actions of one without comparing them to the actions of the other would be downright irresponsible.

So lets put it all out there. November is right around the corner, who are you going to vote for? Biden, with one potential sex scandal, or Trump, with many, many confirmed sex scandals. Biden, with some old college documents being withheld, or Trump who never released his tax returns, as is the custom for all candidates and something he promised to do. Biden, who's son worked for a private Ukrainian firm, or Trump, who hired most of his family to work for the US government in positions they are not at all qualified for?


In this scenario you will vote for the one that you (as a reasonable person) dislike less. Since their character is pretty much same you have to look at what they are trying to achieve.
My vote would go for Trump because his stance on China can make Mex / US / Canada a actual thing and release us from the super high dependency from a communistic regime that threatens withholding medical supplies cause they feel hurt because they were caught lying about a deadly virus. 10 years from now this has a potential to make this neck of the woods extremely powerful and in many ways self sufficient. Ultimately this is exactly what we need.

Vote for Biden means China goes back to growing while US is going back to being more dependent. He's not gonna change. Not a chance. 40 years in office, 8 as VP got us here. 3 years of Trump is just a drop in the bucket of what Biden was doing in the past 37 years up till this point.

Also FBI and Flynn lawyers that were Obama buddies framing the guy to submission (looks like it) is rubbing me wrong.


So you care deeply about the sexual assault accusations except when it turns out that the guy you like more (for perfectly valid policy reasons) is dirtier than Biden. Now all of a sudden its about policies and issues.

Hey, I wish we could just throw out all the personal stuff and stick to the issues. But you were the one that brought up all of this in the first place, so I think it's a tad hypocritical for you to pretend now that its a non-factor.


Why is it so hard for you to understand that I see no difference between their character?
In my eyes they are same.
Only reason I am talking about Biden cause this is a a Biden subject and two Trump is already the President. He's not a contestant. After everything was thrown at him the left could find guess what happened? Nothing. He's still there.

Since 2016 the left wanted us to believe how pure and virtuous and full of morals they are by pointing out every Trump's flaw or mistake and blowing it up to oblivion saying they would NEVER do or behave like this. LIKE EVER NEVER EVER. Well they messed up so bad on this front that they need serious distraction or firepower to recover from this.
And that is why I am using this as example as it is moral corruption to point at something that is bad and praise your higher standards yet be ok with it cause your buddy is in questions.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:19 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
He's not a contestant.


really? When I go to the ballot box, will i not see him name on there?

So why should be not be as scrutinized as Biden? Because he ran before? Well so did Biden. They were both contestants before and they both are now. Its all fair game.

And more importantly, they are not equally morally bad. Do you really want to keep score on the sexual harassment claims? How about this more a moral comparison, only one of the two contestants has claimed that neo-nazis are, and I quote, 'good people'. Only one has bragged about being able to use their fame and power to 'grab 'em by the p**sy'. Only one claimed that POWs are weak and he likes people that weren't captured. Only one lied about divesting from his businesses and releasing his tax returns.

I could go on, but you have made up your mind against a mountain of evidence and will believe forever that Biden and Trump are moral equivalents. They are not.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:31 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
He's not a contestant.


really? When I go to the ballot box, will i not see him name on there?

So why should be not be as scrutinized as Biden? Because he ran before? Well so did Biden. They were both contestants before and they both are now. Its all fair game.

And more importantly, they are not equally morally bad. Do you really want to keep score on the sexual harassment claims? How about this more a moral comparison, only one of the two contestants has claimed that neo-nazis are, and I quote, 'good people'. Only one has bragged about being able to use their fame and power to 'grab 'em by the p**sy'. Only one claimed that POWs are weak and he likes people that weren't captured. Only one lied about divesting from his businesses and releasing his tax returns.

I could go on, but you have made up your mind against a mountain of evidence and will believe forever that Biden and Trump are moral equivalents. They are not.


If you wanna go the moral way how many people died cause of Biden push for war?
Relocated? Had to run? Persecuted due to regime changes? PTSD? Global scale shift and misery. Rapes, abuse and slavery in places that were generally peaceful before.

AND FYI Trump opinion on that matter doesn't count as he was not not in a decisive position at that time. Now he is in this position and he didn't start one for comparison.
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:36 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
He's not a contestant.


really? When I go to the ballot box, will i not see him name on there?

So why should be not be as scrutinized as Biden? Because he ran before? Well so did Biden. They were both contestants before and they both are now. Its all fair game.

And more importantly, they are not equally morally bad. Do you really want to keep score on the sexual harassment claims? How about this more a moral comparison, only one of the two contestants has claimed that neo-nazis are, and I quote, 'good people'. Only one has bragged about being able to use their fame and power to 'grab 'em by the p**sy'. Only one claimed that POWs are weak and he likes people that weren't captured. Only one lied about divesting from his businesses and releasing his tax returns.

I could go on, but you have made up your mind against a mountain of evidence and will believe forever that Biden and Trump are moral equivalents. They are not.


If you wanna go the moral way how many people died cause of Biden push for war?
Relocated? Had to run? Persecuted due to regime changes? PTSD? Global scale shift and misery.

AND FYI Trump opinion on that matter doesn't count as he was not not in a decisive position at that time. Now he is in this position and he didn't start one for comparison.


Explain to me how the entirety of the Middle East conflict (that Trump approved of) rests on the shoulders of Joe Biden.

Lets not forget, Trump is in power now and troops in the middle east have actually increased.

And are the deaths of our Kurhish allies on Trump's hands for withdrawing US troops from Syria?
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:38 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:

really? When I go to the ballot box, will i not see him name on there?

So why should be not be as scrutinized as Biden? Because he ran before? Well so did Biden. They were both contestants before and they both are now. Its all fair game.

And more importantly, they are not equally morally bad. Do you really want to keep score on the sexual harassment claims? How about this more a moral comparison, only one of the two contestants has claimed that neo-nazis are, and I quote, 'good people'. Only one has bragged about being able to use their fame and power to 'grab 'em by the p**sy'. Only one claimed that POWs are weak and he likes people that weren't captured. Only one lied about divesting from his businesses and releasing his tax returns.

I could go on, but you have made up your mind against a mountain of evidence and will believe forever that Biden and Trump are moral equivalents. They are not.


If you wanna go the moral way how many people died cause of Biden push for war?
Relocated? Had to run? Persecuted due to regime changes? PTSD? Global scale shift and misery.

AND FYI Trump opinion on that matter doesn't count as he was not not in a decisive position at that time. Now he is in this position and he didn't start one for comparison.


Explain to me how the entirety of the Middle East conflict (that Trump approved of) rests on the shoulders of Joe Biden.


Between the two he was in position that set the nasty chains of events in motion.
Do you know what was the deal with the Kurds?
Still nowhere anywhere near of the scale of damage between the two rofl.
You are deflecting and that's why the left is losing. You have no guts not even once to condemn those actions. All you do is play ping pong. Ok for them it is ok for me.
Considering this is the absolute opposite of democratic narrative your position is weak.
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:41 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:

If you wanna go the moral way how many people died cause of Biden push for war?
Relocated? Had to run? Persecuted due to regime changes? PTSD? Global scale shift and misery.

AND FYI Trump opinion on that matter doesn't count as he was not not in a decisive position at that time. Now he is in this position and he didn't start one for comparison.


Explain to me how the entirety of the Middle East conflict (that Trump approved of) rests on the shoulders of Joe Biden.


Between the two he was in position that set the nasty chains of events in motion.


See my edits above. What has Trump done in power to undo any of it. Increase troop levels? Expose our Kurdish allies? Yea, he's really racked up a hell of a record.... How about the raid he ordered in Yemen that killed about 30 civilians including kids. Do you really want to present Trump as a stabilizing force in the region?
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:52 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:

Explain to me how the entirety of the Middle East conflict (that Trump approved of) rests on the shoulders of Joe Biden.


Between the two he was in position that set the nasty chains of events in motion.


See my edits above. What has Trump done in power to undo any of it. Increase troop levels? Expose our Kurdish allies? Yea, he's really racked up a hell of a record.... How about the raid he ordered in Yemen that killed about 30 civilians including kids. Do you really want to present Trump as a stabilizing force in the region?


The only reason this is happening in the first place is because Biden among other like minded people set it in motion years ago.
Cause - > effect.

Same with china now. People hammering the west instead of hammering them for hiding and potentially causing this mess. That's how stupid western society is.
Can't even see the bigger picture even if it is on a global scale.
Find somebody you can project this on and act virtuous. lol. Pathetic.
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:58 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:

Between the two he was in position that set the nasty chains of events in motion.


See my edits above. What has Trump done in power to undo any of it. Increase troop levels? Expose our Kurdish allies? Yea, he's really racked up a hell of a record.... How about the raid he ordered in Yemen that killed about 30 civilians including kids. Do you really want to present Trump as a stabilizing force in the region?


The only reason this is happening because Biden among other like minded people set it in motion years ago.
Cause - > effect.

Same with china now. People hammering the west instead of hammering them for hiding and potentially causing this mess. That's how stupid western society is.
Can't even see the bigger picture even if it is on a global scale.
Find somebody you can project this on and act virtuous. lol. Pathetic.


So specifically what did Biden do puts the entire Middle East war on his shoulders?
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:04 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:

See my edits above. What has Trump done in power to undo any of it. Increase troop levels? Expose our Kurdish allies? Yea, he's really racked up a hell of a record.... How about the raid he ordered in Yemen that killed about 30 civilians including kids. Do you really want to present Trump as a stabilizing force in the region?


The only reason this is happening because Biden among other like minded people set it in motion years ago.
Cause - > effect.

Same with china now. People hammering the west instead of hammering them for hiding and potentially causing this mess. That's how stupid western society is.
Can't even see the bigger picture even if it is on a global scale.
Find somebody you can project this on and act virtuous. lol. Pathetic.


So specifically what did Biden do puts the entire Middle East war on his shoulders?


Placed a signature on a document that started a war that is dragging for 18 years now.
Ruined countries, lives, families and future for millions of people.
Doesn't matter how it makes you feel about it. Doesn't even matter if it was right or wrong. It is a simple fact. That's it.

But go ahead. Ping Pong again as you won't admit to plain facts anyway.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:11 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:

The only reason this is happening because Biden among other like minded people set it in motion years ago.
Cause - > effect.

Same with china now. People hammering the west instead of hammering them for hiding and potentially causing this mess. That's how stupid western society is.
Can't even see the bigger picture even if it is on a global scale.
Find somebody you can project this on and act virtuous. lol. Pathetic.


So specifically what did Biden do puts the entire Middle East war on his shoulders?


Placed a signature on a document that started a war that is dragging for 18 years now.
Ruined countries, lives, families and future for millions of people.
Doesn't matter how it makes you feel about it. Doesn't even matter if it was right or wrong. It is a simple fact. That's it.

But go ahead. Ping Pong again as you won't admit to plain facts anyway.


What document?
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:14 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:

So specifically what did Biden do puts the entire Middle East war on his shoulders?


Placed a signature on a document that started a war that is dragging for 18 years now.
Ruined countries, lives, families and future for millions of people.
Doesn't matter how it makes you feel about it. Doesn't even matter if it was right or wrong. It is a simple fact. That's it.

But go ahead. Ping Pong again as you won't admit to plain facts anyway.


What document?


It's a freaking figure of speech rofl.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoriza ... on_of_2002
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:22 pm

Here. That's the moral standards you are preaching.

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1 ... 72064?s=20
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:24 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:

Placed a signature on a document that started a war that is dragging for 18 years now.
Ruined countries, lives, families and future for millions of people.
Doesn't matter how it makes you feel about it. Doesn't even matter if it was right or wrong. It is a simple fact. That's it.

But go ahead. Ping Pong again as you won't admit to plain facts anyway.


What document?


It's a freaking figure of speech rofl.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoriza ... on_of_2002


And there it is.

So now you want to use a 'YES' vote on this bill as a moral failing something that should disqualify Biden. You should really let Trump know, since he picked a VP that supported this and voted yes on this measure too.

In fact, a total a 373 congressmen and women and senators voted yes. Should every single one them be expelled from any public office they might still hold for voting yes on this bill?

Biden voted yes, Trump offered his support at the time and then backed up that initial support by selecting a VP who voted yes.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:28 pm

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winginit wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:

Don't get me wrong, you are absolutely right.
They can do that.
BUT if you are talking about difference between elections in 2012 and 2020 you simply have to acknowledge that another set of very powerful factors joined the table.
There's just no comparison and it is easy to see why liberal / progressive voices seem to be louder which can give clueless people the idea that it's "because more people think like this" or something like that while in reality it's because media these days in general is controlled by liberals / globalists. Just facts.


No doubt.

But again, if I'm Dorsey or Zuck or whomever and that's my goal based on my own liberal bias and agenda, at present there's nothing to stop me from looking at the situation that you've laid out there and saying "you know what - mission accomplished".

What I'm not hearing is a remedy for that if it is indeed a problem.


Only way is to regulate them so that bias is not allowed.
I think it is actually safer for us all.
If you separate people to split platforms depending on your beliefs you will end up with even more polarized society.
Uncontested thoughts grow exponentially larger and potentially dangerous than those that are countered. Bad idea for general safety of everybody.

Or do like some harvard teachers are saying lately.
Just censor the whole thing like china did cause it is the only way to take control of that constant growth of division / negativity.
Hello CCP I guess but hey, seems like we're heading that way anyway and censor from the liberal media is in fact some version of it already.
You are free to post anti trump comments on fox articles by the way so I guess they take freedom of speech more to their heart than lets say CNN that simply removed comments all together to make sure nobody questions what they say like it was in the past.


I don't disagree that a return to what had essentially been covered in some ways (reflective of the media of the time of course) by previous regulations would be a solution. Having said that, given the revocation of the FCC Fairness Doctrine was spearheaded by Republicans, I'm not sure there's any realistic chance that such legislation comes back given the current balance of power and polarization.

Maybe the onset of traditionally liberal tech organizations as a primary news source will change that, in which case get your popcorn ready.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:34 pm

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Joe Biden has tried several times to run for the Democrats' Presidential nomination and failed or gave up runs, he may have to do that now from the sexual assault allegations, along with questions about his age, general health, questions as to his mental abilities, too much dumb stuff he has said, his 'touch-feely' behaviors with women and his son's shady Ukrainian energy company work. Then the question is who do you run that would have a chance to beat Trump by the EC vote and how do you do that without tearing the party apart.

For sure Sanders supporters will demand as was in 2nd Place in delegates, then he would have to be the nominee. Problems with Sanders is his 'socialism' ideas would be used like a massive club by Trump and Republicans and may turn off many critical White voters where HRC lost in 2016. Biden has little favor with Sanders supporters as Biden has a strong history of pro-corporate, more like Republican policy beliefs. Anyone but Sanders chosen would be seen as a coup by the Democratic party elites, who are more like to choose a candidate, like Biden and unlike Sanders, who would take dirty campaign financing bribes from the rich and corporate interests. The mess of the party candidate would cause many Democrats and independents to not vote at all, Trump wins by default.

For Democrats, their goal is to take back the WH and Senate, keep the House, for all the money, bribes, power and patronage they have, less about the policies of Trump and Republicans. The decision to keep or ditch Biden will be made to reach that goal.


A major goal for Democrats and independents is to be respected on the world stage again. We had been respected and had weight around the world until January 2017. That is when all our goodwill and respect started to fade. All of that fading accelerated when the head of the Republican party decided this was all a game and a great way for him to make money for himself. He has done nothing but make demands and call people names for himself, not for us.

It also needs to be pointed out over and over and every time it is brought up that the only reason Hillary lost by getting ~3,000,000 more votes is by losing a few thousand votes across three states. It was hardly a landslide. That needs to be pointed out.

Yes, Democrats' goal is to take back the Senate, House and White House again. To save America and the Republic for ALL Americans. Not just the corporate elite and family of the man in the White House. This is all about the Republicans' policies. Their failed policies. The policies that protect the few and ignore the many. Policies that give to the few and take from the many. This is about one side taking rights away vs. the other side giving rights to all. I am not just talking about Republicans taking LGBTQ rights away because it hurts their feelings, but Republicans taking rights away from women and minorities and Natives as well.
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:42 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
Here. That's the moral standards you are preaching.

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1 ... 72064?s=20


You did hear the part, didn't you, where no one received a complaint?

Again: there should be an investigation. But, it is interesting to me that Reade says a complaint was filed but there is not paperwork anywhere in the Capital archives over this. If you have ever dealt with HR for anything at all, you would know that multiple copies are made of complaints and sent to several people and departments. Not just sexual harassment, but any HR complaint.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/83796652 ... allegation
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinion/20 ... 046962001/

How many times has Biden proudly talked about grabbing women by the parts? You want to talk about morality? How many times has Biden cheated on his wife, divorced her, and turned around and married his mistress? How many times has Biden visited prostitutes? You want to talk about morality? Really?
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:47 pm

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Yes, Democrats' goal is to take back the Senate, House and White House again. To save America and the Republic for ALL Americans. Not just the corporate elite and family of the man in the White House. This is all about the Republicans' policies. Their failed policies. The policies that protect the few and ignore the many. Policies that give to the few and take from the many. This is about one side taking rights away vs. the other side giving rights to all. I am not just talking about Republicans taking LGBTQ rights away because it hurts their feelings, but Republicans taking rights away from women and minorities and Natives as well.


This sounds like a manifesto or something.
As for taking rights I was under the impression that it was the democrats that fought to keep slavery and stuff like that?
Fighting for illegals to stay here illegally so you can have a cheaper avocado seems very similar. Slavery of 21st century.
Also which rights were taken away from women or minorities by republicans?

The crazy stuff I see are liberal policies allowing men that "identify" themselves as women to compete in women's sports completely killing the idea of fair play and moving actual women's rights back 50 years. Now they are fighting biological males and are told to be treated on same level. So F*** on so many levels that it is mind blowing
Selective #metoo is also hurting women as they will not be believed because of this.
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Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:48 pm

seb146 wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
Here. That's the moral standards you are preaching.

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1 ... 72064?s=20


You did hear the part, didn't you, where no one received a complaint?

Again: there should be an investigation. But, it is interesting to me that Reade says a complaint was filed but there is not paperwork anywhere in the Capital archives over this. If you have ever dealt with HR for anything at all, you would know that multiple copies are made of complaints and sent to several people and departments. Not just sexual harassment, but any HR complaint.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/83796652 ... allegation
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinion/20 ... 046962001/

How many times has Biden proudly talked about grabbing women by the parts? You want to talk about morality? How many times has Biden cheated on his wife, divorced her, and turned around and married his mistress? How many times has Biden visited prostitutes? You want to talk about morality? Really?


Or evidence destroyed.
I mean look what is happening to Flynn now.
Are you telling me this couldn't happen to Reade especially that top Dem is involved in this?

The issue is the selective outrage based on party affiliation. That's what showed true colors of the democratic party to the whole world if somehow wasn't aware of that yet.
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Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:50 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
seb146 wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
Here. That's the moral standards you are preaching.

https://twitter.com/dcexaminer/status/1 ... 72064?s=20


You did hear the part, didn't you, where no one received a complaint?

Again: there should be an investigation. But, it is interesting to me that Reade says a complaint was filed but there is not paperwork anywhere in the Capital archives over this. If you have ever dealt with HR for anything at all, you would know that multiple copies are made of complaints and sent to several people and departments. Not just sexual harassment, but any HR complaint.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/83796652 ... allegation
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinion/20 ... 046962001/

How many times has Biden proudly talked about grabbing women by the parts? You want to talk about morality? How many times has Biden cheated on his wife, divorced her, and turned around and married his mistress? How many times has Biden visited prostitutes? You want to talk about morality? Really?


Or evidence destroyed.
I mean look what is happening to Flynn now.
Are you telling me this couldn't happen to Reade especially that top Dem is involved in this?


aka - I have no evidence, so let me toss a conspiracy theory out there and see if that sticks....
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:53 pm

2122M wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
seb146 wrote:

You did hear the part, didn't you, where no one received a complaint?

Again: there should be an investigation. But, it is interesting to me that Reade says a complaint was filed but there is not paperwork anywhere in the Capital archives over this. If you have ever dealt with HR for anything at all, you would know that multiple copies are made of complaints and sent to several people and departments. Not just sexual harassment, but any HR complaint.

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/19/83796652 ... allegation
https://www.tcpalm.com/story/opinion/20 ... 046962001/

How many times has Biden proudly talked about grabbing women by the parts? You want to talk about morality? How many times has Biden cheated on his wife, divorced her, and turned around and married his mistress? How many times has Biden visited prostitutes? You want to talk about morality? Really?


Or evidence destroyed.
I mean look what is happening to Flynn now.
Are you telling me this couldn't happen to Reade especially that top Dem is involved in this?


aka - I have no evidence, so let me toss a conspiracy theory out there and see if that sticks....


Russia Russia Russia. rofl.
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:01 pm

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Vote for Biden means China goes back to growing while US is going back to being more dependent.


I mean... surely you know that regardless of who is President of the United States pure population and middle-class trends cement the fact that China will continue to grow and will eventually surpass the United States as most powerful global economy. Nothing short of an actual war is going to change that. Period.

PixelPilot wrote:
Also FBI and Flynn lawyers that were Obama buddies framing the guy to submission (looks like it) is rubbing me wrong.


Framing? Here are Trump's exact words:

"I had to fire General Flynn because he lied tot he Vice President and the FBI. He has pled guilty to those crimes. It is a shame because his actions during the transition were lawful. There was nothing to hide!"

So he was framed into lying to the President and the FBI? Crimes that he literally pled guilty to? You're going to need to refine that argument as to make it not... totally comical.
 
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Thu Apr 30, 2020 8:16 pm

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That being said, if Biden is the nominee and is still on the ballot in November, at the moment my vote will be for Justin Amash.


Let me get this right. You would vote for pro-choice, democratic socialist, medicare for all, green new deal advocating, gun-control advocate Sanders if he were on the ticket. Or you would vote for Cuomo, who is pro-choice, pro green new deal, pro-gun control, pro-obamacare. But if Biden is on the ticket, there is now way you you vote for him, even though he is pro-choice, pro-gun control, and pro saving the environment. Instead you would vote for pro-life, anti-environmental legislation, pro-gun, free market healthcare Amash.

That just doesn't make sense to me at all.


I have never said that I would vote for either Sanders or Cuomo either, I have merely suggested that if Biden's allegations pan out, these are alternatives for the Democrats. Further more, I am pro-life on the abortion issue and I will say the abortion issue is the issue that has kept my wife from voting for Democrats in the past 15 years. Gun Control is not an issue that really frames how I vote, but I do know there is a second amendment and much of what the democratic platform is on this issue seems to spit in the face of the second amendment. (I am also critical of the supreme court for continuing to punt on this issue and not address it once and for all)

That all being said, I do support Medicare for all. I also know that M4A will not ever happen with either Biden or Trump in office. I know it wont happen under Amash either. However, since it wont happen under any administration on the ballot, I don't have a choice that will make a difference on this issue. The environment is something that does need to be addressed, and while I believe that Biden will pay lip service to it, he would ultimately do whatever his buddies at Wall Street want him to do. It gives the appearance of doing something, but in reality what it does is make the rich richer and the rest of us worse off.

So ultimately what I want to see in the White House is three fold. A good commander in chief, someone who will appoint good judges to the court, and a strong leader mentally. Biden is not there mentally, and I don't believe the judges he would appoint would merely interpret the law as written. Trump is not a good commander in chief, he is not a strong leader, and he has none of the traits that I think make a good president. Even though I don't agree with Amash on a lot of issues, I think from a leader standpoint, commander in chief standpoint, and judicial standpoint, he is much better than either of the other options. Trump needs to go IMO. But Biden would not be there mentally, and the people that benefit most from his presidency are the Wall Street and corporate elites...which brings me to....
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ltbewr wrote:
For Democrats, their goal is to take back the WH and Senate, keep the House, for all the money, bribes, power and patronage they have, less about the policies of Trump and Republicans. The decision to keep or ditch Biden will be made to reach that goal.


Yes, Democrats' goal is to take back the Senate, House and White House again. To save America and the Republic for ALL Americans. Not just the corporate elite.

I got news for you Seb. If you believe that the little guy will benefit from a fully Democratic controlled House, Senate and White House and not just the corporate elite, I have a private island in the Caribbean to sell you. We saw it happen in the first two years of Obama. Instead of passing a single payer, they passed the ACA, which had a couple of good things in it, but people still cant afford healthcare, the insurance companies are wealthier, and the people who had coverage before the ACA now have worse coverage. Obama and Pelosi literally allowed insurance companies to write the bill. And they did not address any of the issues with the actual costs of healthcare. In fact, I still have not seen any proposals from the Democrats or Republicans on this issue, as the focus from Progressives is more on M4A which deals with coverage rather than care itself.

Secondly, if the Democrat's get all of Congress and the White House back (Assuming Biden is still the guy, which is likely), you would have congress controlled by Nancy Pelosi (who caters mainly to the elites in Silicon Valley and Hollywood), Chuck Schumer (Who caters mainly to the elites on Wall Street), and MBNA Joe Biden. We are in a national crisis right now, and Congress should be working to address this issue. However Pelosi is not even allowing the House to be in session, nor is she allowing any of her members to raise issues that would help their constituents. Even Mitch McConnell is allowing the Senate to work to address this issue. (Though I don't agree with his solutions either) In fact Steny Hoyer said there is no emergency, so no need for the house to be in session. These people are so out of touch.

That being said, I do agree with you that the positions that the democrats take publicly are better for the little guy than a lot of GOP proposals. However when progressives have tried to call out Democrats for not acting on some of these issues, the Democratic Establishment responds with the middle finger. Go listen to a youtube podcast such as Secular Talk, or the Young Turks. These people are furious at the democratic party right now, and they are no conservatives at all.

And lastly consider other options. For example, Nancy Pelosi's general election challenger is also a Democrat and his name is Shahid Buttar. He was on the rising this morning. He would have my vote if I voted in the 12th district. I can think of no better way if you are a progressive and fed up with the Democratic Establishment to send a message than to vote for Buttar. And because this is the general election, Buttar would actually get elected.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:38 pm

Joe to break his silence on the allegations in the morning on Morning Joe.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/us/p ... elosi.html
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Re: Biden's follies

Fri May 01, 2020 2:29 pm

Joe Biden's Friday Statement: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/election ... spartandhp
In it he brings up first his support and sponsorship of the Violence Against Women Act and related laws when a Senator in the 1990's. Then he, of course, gives a blanket denial of he charges.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Fri May 01, 2020 3:11 pm

ltbewr wrote:
Joe Biden's Friday Statement: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/election ... spartandhp
In it he brings up first his support and sponsorship of the Violence Against Women Act and related laws when a Senator in the 1990's. Then he, of course, gives a blanket denial of he charges.


Yeah, no surprises here.
Sooner or later he will end up in front of some reporters that will start asking questions. Hopefully at least.
Not to mention a debate vs Trump.
Wonder if his wife will have to run on stage to help him again.
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Fri May 01, 2020 3:16 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Joe Biden's Friday Statement: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/election ... spartandhp
In it he brings up first his support and sponsorship of the Violence Against Women Act and related laws when a Senator in the 1990's. Then he, of course, gives a blanket denial of he charges.


Yeah, no surprises here.
Sooner or later he will end up in front of some reporters that will start asking questions. Hopefully at least.
Not to mention a debate vs Trump.
Wonder if his wife will have to run on stage to help him again.


Wow Mika Brezenski did a number on him this morning what the heck was that?

Oh BTW Tara Reade will be talking to FOX I am willing to bet that will be a ratings bonanza.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/biden-acc ... ce-report/
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Re: Biden's follies

Fri May 01, 2020 3:19 pm

Also Joe doesn’t really know the numbers about covid cases in US.
Tenfold

https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status ... 31715?s=21
 
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Fri May 01, 2020 3:23 pm

You could see this morning why Biden has polled so well recently. He’s been out of the spotlight because he isn’t campaigning or making any major TV appearances. I expect his poll numbers will come down in the next week now. I don’t care if unemployment is 30% in November, there’s no way this guy will be able to win the election. The DNC has to figure out a way to replace him in July really fast
 
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Re: Biden's follies

Fri May 01, 2020 3:26 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
PixelPilot wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Joe Biden's Friday Statement: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/election ... spartandhp
In it he brings up first his support and sponsorship of the Violence Against Women Act and related laws when a Senator in the 1990's. Then he, of course, gives a blanket denial of he charges.


Yeah, no surprises here.
Sooner or later he will end up in front of some reporters that will start asking questions. Hopefully at least.
Not to mention a debate vs Trump.
Wonder if his wife will have to run on stage to help him again.


Wow Mika Brezenski did a number on him this morning what the heck was that?

Oh BTW Tara Reade will be talking to FOX I am willing to bet that will be a ratings bonanza.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/30/biden-acc ... ce-report/


She refused fox before cause wanted to go to somebody in the middle.
Obviously the left wouldn't touch the subject objectively with a ten foot pole so yeah, Fox FTW again.
 
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Fri May 01, 2020 3:50 pm

PixelPilot wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
Joe Biden's Friday Statement: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/election ... spartandhp
In it he brings up first his support and sponsorship of the Violence Against Women Act and related laws when a Senator in the 1990's. Then he, of course, gives a blanket denial of he charges.


Yeah, no surprises here.
Sooner or later he will end up in front of some reporters that will start asking questions. Hopefully at least.
Not to mention a debate vs Trump.
Wonder if his wife will have to run on stage to help him again.



Tons of reporters are asking questions . The accuser isn't doing a lot of interviews. There is an interesting opinion article the other day about the credibility gap in this case from a prosecutor of sexual crimes.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ ... 046962001/

To me it looks a lot like the Kavanaugh claim. What happened or didn't happen is only known between Reade and Biden, and Reade can't even put a date or specific place into the argument. It makes it impossible for Biden to specifically remember or refute the claim, and while it may have happened, there have been far too many changes to Reade's story and inconclusive details to make this an issue.

Politically speaking it could be bad for Biden, but at this time, there isn't a whole lot of evidence for a crime, and going against a self described "Pu**y grabber" it isn't going to be much to sway the election unless more accusations from other witnesses come forth.
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Re: Biden's follies

Fri May 01, 2020 3:59 pm

LNCS0930 wrote:
You could see this morning why Biden has polled so well recently. He’s been out of the spotlight because he isn’t campaigning or making any major TV appearances. I expect his poll numbers will come down in the next week now. I don’t care if unemployment is 30% in November, there’s no way this guy will be able to win the election. The DNC has to figure out a way to replace him in July really fast


I am willing to bet Cuomo has already been the plan and he wants it so if Biden either has a medial episode or these allegations have proof watch out!
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Re: Biden's follies

Fri May 01, 2020 4:17 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:
You could see this morning why Biden has polled so well recently. He’s been out of the spotlight because he isn’t campaigning or making any major TV appearances. I expect his poll numbers will come down in the next week now. I don’t care if unemployment is 30% in November, there’s no way this guy will be able to win the election. The DNC has to figure out a way to replace him in July really fast


I am willing to bet Cuomo has already been the plan and he wants it so if Biden either has a medial episode or these allegations have proof watch out!


Newsom or Cuomo have been the two I’ve thought of. Newsom might be too left though and risk some of the rust belt not voting for him
 
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Fri May 01, 2020 5:13 pm

apodino wrote:
seb146 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
For Democrats, their goal is to take back the WH and Senate, keep the House, for all the money, bribes, power and patronage they have, less about the policies of Trump and Republicans. The decision to keep or ditch Biden will be made to reach that goal.


Yes, Democrats' goal is to take back the Senate, House and White House again. To save America and the Republic for ALL Americans. Not just the corporate elite.

I got news for you Seb. If you believe that the little guy will benefit from a fully Democratic controlled House, Senate and White House and not just the corporate elite, I have a private island in the Caribbean to sell you. We saw it happen in the first two years of Obama. Instead of passing a single payer, they passed the ACA, which had a couple of good things in it, but people still cant afford healthcare, the insurance companies are wealthier, and the people who had coverage before the ACA now have worse coverage. Obama and Pelosi literally allowed insurance companies to write the bill. And they did not address any of the issues with the actual costs of healthcare. In fact, I still have not seen any proposals from the Democrats or Republicans on this issue, as the focus from Progressives is more on M4A which deals with coverage rather than care itself.

Secondly, if the Democrat's get all of Congress and the White House back (Assuming Biden is still the guy, which is likely), you would have congress controlled by Nancy Pelosi (who caters mainly to the elites in Silicon Valley and Hollywood), Chuck Schumer (Who caters mainly to the elites on Wall Street), and MBNA Joe Biden. We are in a national crisis right now, and Congress should be working to address this issue. However Pelosi is not even allowing the House to be in session, nor is she allowing any of her members to raise issues that would help their constituents. Even Mitch McConnell is allowing the Senate to work to address this issue. (Though I don't agree with his solutions either) In fact Steny Hoyer said there is no emergency, so no need for the house to be in session. These people are so out of touch.

That being said, I do agree with you that the positions that the democrats take publicly are better for the little guy than a lot of GOP proposals. However when progressives have tried to call out Democrats for not acting on some of these issues, the Democratic Establishment responds with the middle finger. Go listen to a youtube podcast such as Secular Talk, or the Young Turks. These people are furious at the democratic party right now, and they are no conservatives at all.

And lastly consider other options. For example, Nancy Pelosi's general election challenger is also a Democrat and his name is Shahid Buttar. He was on the rising this morning. He would have my vote if I voted in the 12th district. I can think of no better way if you are a progressive and fed up with the Democratic Establishment to send a message than to vote for Buttar. And because this is the general election, Buttar would actually get elected.


The reason Pelosi (and McConnell but you didn't mention that) will not call Congress back into session is not as sinister as you want it to be

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/1 ... y-4-185792

On the advice of health officials, they will not be in session. The Republican controlled Senate as well.

I never said legislation that Democrats sign into law will benefit "the little guy" only. Of course they have to worry about the few at the top first. This is the government we have since at least Reagan. Some would say Nixon. The best government money can buy. Obama, in his press to approve ACA, he even said it is not perfect or great but, he also acknowledged, there is room to change it and to improve it. Republicans just want to burn it all to the ground. They keep saying they have a better plan. What is it? Where is this better plan that will cover more people and cost us less?

I think the Democratic party really wants to move back to center-left where it was under Kennedy. Unfortunately, as I pointed out, that is not possible given the amount corporations control members of the House and Senate and bills that are introduced. Again, the best government money can buy. Many Democrats would love to see Pelosi retire. I had hoped she would have passed on being Speaker. She may be biding her time until Democrats win in November. Or, she may stay on creating a rift. I think she would be willing to step down as speaker if Democrats win in November because Democrats are more willing and open to change and moving forward.

There are some radical talking heads that I can not stand. Young Turks is one of them. I am angry too but these guys are just nuts. I do not care much for Amy Goodman but she does make some good points.
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