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Bernie Sanders ends presidential campaign

Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:38 pm

Sanders, a democratic socialist making his second run for the White House, withdrew after a series of losses to Joe Biden, who emerges as the presumptive nominee for the general election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/us/p ... s-out.html
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Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:40 pm

Today, Sen. Bernie Sanders has announced that he is withdrawing from the Democratic Party Presidential Nomination race. He will support Joe Biden. Apparently his chances were badly hurt by recent circumstances and he knows Biden needs to be the nominee for the party to win over Trump. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/election ... spartandhp
 
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Re: Bernie Sanders ends presidential campaign

Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:40 pm

Expectedly. They took the poor guy for the same ride as in 2016, when the Party decided to push Hillary.
 
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Re: Bernie Sanders ends presidential campaign

Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:42 pm

Who's "they"? All the primary voters that voted for Biden?
 
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Re: Bernie Sanders ends presidential campaign

Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:51 pm

So the Independent decides to stop torturing the Dems.

In my opinion he had no real chance anyway so it makes sense. Of course the Dems will have to wait and see how he and his supporters handle this. If lucky people will come together . I am sure there will still be "bernie bums" that feel robbed and "will never support another candidate" etc. but hopefully it will be far less as people realize there really are far more important things at stake (that is one thing that the pandemic has definitely changed, the divisive conversation and pointing fingers).

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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:34 pm

With Bernie out, watch for things to get a lot more exciting. There's no way the DNC can run senile pedo Joe against Trump. I wouldn't be surprised if Cuomo came out of left field smelling of roses once this coronavirus thing settles down. Disclaimer: not a Trump supporter and also not a DNC supporter where they continually run failed "has been" candidates during critical times.
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:37 pm

I'm ashamed to be a citizen of the United States of AmeriKKKa.
 
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:44 pm

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senile pedo Joe against Trump.

Well anyone who describes Biden that way is automatically declaring Trump to be the same. So thanks for that. I am glad to see other Republican's (making an assumption here, let me know if I am wrong) finally seeing Trump as he is.

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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:54 pm

Tugger wrote:
Jetsgo wrote:
senile pedo Joe against Trump.

Well anyone who describes Biden that way is automatically declaring Trump to be the same. So thanks for that. I am glad to see other Republican's (making an assumption here, let me know if I am wrong) finally seeing Trump as he is.

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Independent here. Thank me for nothing as I don't buy into the "automatically" mindset. Trump is a basket of deplorable himself, but that doesn't make him a senile pedo like Joe. Someone's going to come in late in the game and mop both these fools.
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:58 pm

Jetsgo wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Jetsgo wrote:
senile pedo Joe against Trump.

Well anyone who describes Biden that way is automatically declaring Trump to be the same. So thanks for that. I am glad to see other Republican's (making an assumption here, let me know if I am wrong) finally seeing Trump as he is.

Tugg


Independent here. Thank me for nothing as I don't buy into the "automatically" mindset. Trump is a basket of deplorable himself, but that doesn't make him a senile pedo like Joe. Someone's going to come in late in the game and mop both these fools.

OK gotcha, fair enough. :thumbsup:

No one would say that Biden is the strongest candidate that was available (and the same is said for Trump before he won). We'll have to wait and see what happens and where it ends up.

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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:38 pm

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I'm ashamed to be a citizen of the United States of AmeriKKKa.

Why, because an independent who joined the D party to get a free ride of resources -GASP- lost the D party twice in a row because D voters saw through it. HA
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:41 pm

Jetsgo wrote:
Tugger wrote:
Jetsgo wrote:
senile pedo Joe against Trump.

Well anyone who describes Biden that way is automatically declaring Trump to be the same. So thanks for that. I am glad to see other Republican's (making an assumption here, let me know if I am wrong) finally seeing Trump as he is.

Tugg


Independent here. Thank me for nothing as I don't buy into the "automatically" mindset. Trump is a basket of deplorable himself, but that doesn't make him a senile pedo like Joe. Someone's going to come in late in the game and mop both these fools.

Biden is weird but I don't see why he is a pedo but Trump is not. You know, it's not Biden who pays off pornstars with hush money or grabs young women by the pussy. But please, enlighten us as to why Biden is more pedo than trump because of his creepy ass hugs.

#bothsides
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Re: Bernie Sanders ends presidential campaign

Wed Apr 08, 2020 5:46 pm

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So the Independent decides to stop torturing the Dems.

I

Finally, someone gets it. It was not the D establishment stopping Bernie, it was the D voters who realized the man was taking a free ride from the party and giving nothing back. Every day on the campaign trail he shit talked the D party and when he ran for senate, even after he joined the Ds in 2016, he still ran as an independent, proving he was only in the D party to get free resources and attention. If he really was so sure about his movement and supporters, he could have run as an Independent like he always does.
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:03 pm

I'm not taking any victory lap for the demise of Bolshevik Bernie's campaign.

His ideas need to be fought at every turn and with great vigor. Individual liberty and rights need to be protected and upheld; and it's clear we need to educate the latest generation that's fallen prey to the dopey collectivist mentality.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:07 pm

slider wrote:
I'm not taking any victory lap for the demise of Bolshevik Bernie's campaign.

His ideas need to be fought at every turn and with great vigor. Individual liberty and rights need to be protected and upheld; and it's clear we need to educate the latest generation that's fallen prey to the dopey collectivist mentality.


You mean the "dopey collectivist mentality" that we are only as strong as the weakest among us? That a rising tide raises all boats? That what Eisenhower and FDR did were actually better for all of us, even the very wealthy? That "dopey collectivist mentality"?
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:10 pm

The script is going according to plan. Now, to bring the true candidates from behind the curtain. Biden, his deficient brain and disturbing contact videos aside, has always been nothing but a place holder. Democrats are a delusional bunch but they aren't stupid enough to think Creepy Joe is their man of the hour.

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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:20 pm

I love the "you 'liberals' have so much TDS you MUST vote for our guy!" and "you 'liberals' have a candidate who may or may not have done the same thing as our guy, so you MUST vote for our guy!" and "you 'liberals' have to stop pointing out why our guy is so god awful for humanity and just vote for our guy!".

nope.

If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. The Republican party in 2020 is living proof of that. It is a cult. Everything the leader says, Republicans believe and refuse to question.

No, Biden is not a great candidate. He does have experience being a leader. He knows infinitely more than what we have now. I would rather have that than continue with the "vote for me because fake news and ratings!" BS we have been fed for the past four years.
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:33 pm

seb146 wrote:
I love the "you 'liberals' have so much TDS you MUST vote for our guy!" and "you 'liberals' have a candidate who may or may not have done the same thing as our guy, so you MUST vote for our guy!" and "you 'liberals' have to stop pointing out why our guy is so god awful for humanity and just vote for our guy!".

nope.

If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything. The Republican party in 2020 is living proof of that. It is a cult. Everything the leader says, Republicans believe and refuse to question.

No, Biden is not a great candidate. He does have experience being a leader. He knows infinitely more than what we have now. I would rather have that than continue with the "vote for me because fake news and ratings!" BS we have been fed for the past four years.


Good grief. Was that you or Patricia?
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:43 pm

I am quite sure there are lot of core Democratic party leaders breathing a sign of relief (into face masks !) with Sanders suspending his campaign. Biden is a seriously flawed candidate, but he would likely win in the key states HRC lost the EC vote in, WI, PA, MI and keep the EC rich 'blue' states HRC also won and unlike Sanders will take campaign funds/bribes from the rich and corporate interests. They will like that Biden will choose many of them for critical appointments, hopefully with a Democrat majority in the Senate and continuing in the House and revere the terrible policies of Trump.
The party will make some token stuff to the progressives, in particular with affordable health care, but just enough to not scare off independent and moderate White voters. It will also be interesting who Biden will choose as VP, he has already stated he will choose a female running mate.
 
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:49 pm

While I applaud the move, I have to say this was poor timing and a big slap in the face for WI voters who yesterday braved long lines to cast a ballot (we can open a separate thread on the conditions for this primary).

But this should ease the primary process, especially if the remaining states continue their lockdown. The next delegate rich state is OH, followed by GA. PA and NJ will vote on what I think is the first ever Super Tuesday in a June, and then NY closes out the process with KY on the 23rd. Being beaten after three consecutive Super Tuesdays should have been enough to take a hint and drop out. I morally support the "let everyone vote", but under the current circumstances (a. Covid pandemic; b. Running against an unpopular incumbent), the better thing to do is consolidate the base early on and build a war chest for the general election. While Trump has to remain in the White House, Biden can focus on campaigning.
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 7:45 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
While I applaud the move, I have to say this was poor timing and a big slap in the face for WI voters who yesterday braved long lines to cast a ballot (we can open a separate thread on the conditions for this primary).


WI results won't be announced until the 13th. It'll be interesting to see who won, turnout percentages, etc.
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:47 pm

Good God, how did we get this low that Trump and Biden are the best of 325 million people to run? I always said that to expect government employees and politicians to be better than Joe Sixpack was a big ask, but this? Stop the madness, isolate the entire political class.

Add Bernie’s voters to Donald’s and you 55%-ish of the electorate mad as hell at the Establishment. Lo, the Revolution.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 8:48 pm

NWAESC wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
While I applaud the move, I have to say this was poor timing and a big slap in the face for WI voters who yesterday braved long lines to cast a ballot (we can open a separate thread on the conditions for this primary).


WI results won't be announced until the 13th. It'll be interesting to see who won, turnout percentages, etc.

Regardless of who wins, I call that a sham election. I thought the DNC should not sit the WI delegates, but there was more than just a primary at stake at that election.

I just hope the anti-Clinton voters in WI and in general are pleased. WI is the canary in the coal mine of what could happen if November comes and covid-19 is still an issue. But hey...her emails and speeches were too much so they allowed Trump and Johnson to win WI (and retain a conservative majority in the SCOTUS, which ended up agreeing with WI Republicans that the vote should not be delayed, pandemic be damned).
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:06 pm

I read that Sanders will continue in some states as a reminder to Biden that we don't want another Democrat running who may be the the right of Eisenhower.
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:39 pm

I think it's fair to say that two years ago if you'd asked the average American what the 2020 election would look like they'd tell you something to the tune of

"Well it'll probably be Biden and Sanders duking it out for the Democratic Nomination, Biden will win, and it'll be Biden v. Trump in the General"

No surprises here. No conspiracies here.
 
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:51 pm

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WI results won't be announced until the 13th. It'll be interesting to see who won, turnout percentages, etc.

Regardless of who wins, I call that a sham election. I thought the DNC should not sit the WI delegates, but there was more than just a primary at stake at that election.

I just hope the anti-Clinton voters in WI and in general are pleased. WI is the canary in the coal mine of what could happen if November comes and covid-19 is still an issue. But hey...her emails and speeches were too much so they allowed Trump and Johnson to win WI (and retain a conservative majority in the SCOTUS, which ended up agreeing with WI Republicans that the vote should not be delayed, pandemic be damned).[/quote]

WI has (unfortunately) served as a laboratory for the far right for some time now. I don't know if it was a sham per se, but it absolutely didn't have to play out the way it did and showed yet again just how morally bankrupt the WI GOP is. We also had a State Supreme Court election on the ballot. The incumbent was a Walker appointee and was on Twitter yesterday asking people to "do him a favor" and vote for him. Almost too on brand...
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:07 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
While I applaud the move, I have to say this was poor timing and a big slap in the face for WI voters who yesterday braved long lines to cast a ballot (we can open a separate thread on the conditions for this primary).

But this should ease the primary process, especially if the remaining states continue their lockdown. The next delegate rich state is OH, followed by GA. PA and NJ will vote on what I think is the first ever Super Tuesday in a June, and then NY closes out the process with KY on the 23rd. Being beaten after three consecutive Super Tuesdays should have been enough to take a hint and drop out. I morally support the "let everyone vote", but under the current circumstances (a. Covid pandemic; b. Running against an unpopular incumbent), the better thing to do is consolidate the base early on and build a war chest for the general election. While Trump has to remain in the White House, Biden can focus on campaigning.


I don't want to derail the thread, but there are a lot of down ballot races that matter. Like county commissioners and state representation. Wisconsin elects judges, from what I understand. The voters can get rid of these right wing ideologues and replace them with judges who know the law and not just tow the party line.

It will be interesting to see which states refuse to allow mail in or absentee or early votes? My guess is Republican/MAGA controlled states.
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 10:49 pm

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I read that Sanders will continue in some states as a reminder to Biden that we don't want another Democrat running who may be the the right of Eisenhower.


The Dem party has been hijacked by the fringe left AOC types who want the complete overhaul of the USA into a Europe model. They don't need a reminder sent to those who reject this and support Biden. I think Sanders' toxic speech today in which he launched into his usual name calling of anyone in the opposing party.

I can't hide my joy to see him defeated again and relegated to obscurity. Which is where he belongs.
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:06 pm

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The Dem party has been hijacked by the fringe left AOC types who want the complete overhaul of the USA into a Europe model. They don't need a reminder sent to those who reject this and support Biden. I think Sanders' toxic speech today in which he launched into his usual name calling of anyone in the opposing party.

I can't hide my joy to see him defeated again and relegated to obscurity. Which is where he belongs.

This doesn't make sense...

You say the Dems have been "hijacked" by the AOC types...if that is the case, he would have won primaries which means he would be THE presumptive nominee. It means Pelosi wouldn't be Speaker right now (because there would have been more AOC Democrats everywhere (even assuming that they would all have been elected)).

But if the Dems are all AOC types, why would people say the DNC is pushing Biden at the expense of Sanders? Oh the DNC establishment is moderate and the voters are liberal? Again, reference the previous point about primaries.

I can't keep up. Either the Democrats are all AOC socialists and want Sanders or they're moderates. They can't be both (though to a rightwinger, just being to their left is enough).
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:11 pm

slider wrote:
I'm not taking any victory lap for the demise of Bolshevik Bernie's campaign.

His ideas need to be fought at every turn and with great vigor. Individual liberty and rights need to be protected and upheld; and it's clear we need to educate the latest generation that's fallen prey to the dopey collectivist mentality.


LOL, the countries with the most individual liberties and rights are exactly the Social-Democratic countries of the world.
They have the highest social mobility, the hoghest living standards, the most common trust, the longest lifes, and the biggest sense of freedom.

But thanks for playing.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:21 pm

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"hijacked"

I think you can honestly say that parties and any conversations they have have been (at least temporarily) hijacked by Twitter-mouths that are joined by tons of idiots who they inspire and agree and share, which makes it seem like the "Twit-diots" are actually saying something worthwhile.

At the very least the social media craze has unleashed a lot of voices that normally would not be there and their incessant hounding and bleating and attacks on others can drown out reasonable voices.

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M564038 wrote:
slider wrote:
I'm not taking any victory lap for the demise of Bolshevik Bernie's campaign.

His ideas need to be fought at every turn and with great vigor. Individual liberty and rights need to be protected and upheld; and it's clear we need to educate the latest generation that's fallen prey to the dopey collectivist mentality.


LOL, the countries with the most individual liberties and rights are exactly the Social-Democratic countries of the world.
They have the highest social mobility, the hoghest living standards, the most common trust, the longest lifes, and the biggest sense of freedom.

But thanks for playing.


They’re also very small homogeneous populations with very tight cultural and families ties. They have very high trust levels. It’s a lot easier with 5 million than 325 million. The US in the Sixties was roughly half today’s population and the levels of trust and ties due to WW II Service much greater. Put a Scandinavian welfare system here and the gaming of the system would be out of control, just to opposite of there.
 
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The Dem party has been hijacked by the fringe left AOC types who want the complete overhaul of the USA into a Europe model.



And the Republican party has not been hijacked by the Trump movement ?

Also, right now it's Trump moving the county towards a Europe set up.

Why do you think those laid off/furloughed will be getting $600 from the Feds ? To hint, it's to win votes, mostly from people who scream about socialism.
 
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In europe sanders in most context would be social democrat or even mid right. Health care for all, education with quality for all is what most european middle class considerred as basic.

A socialist marxist demands end of free markets own by the state.

Quit interesting is that in europe one important part for markets is to ensure competition. In USA today oligopol or even monopol with high cost seems to be standard. Medicines is an example where prices is extreme high.

Why do not the USA right protect free market and competition on behalf of the consumer?
 
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I'm not taking any victory lap for the demise of Bolshevik Bernie's campaign.

His ideas need to be fought at every turn and with great vigor. Individual liberty and rights need to be protected and upheld; and it's clear we need to educate the latest generation that's fallen prey to the dopey collectivist mentality.


Lol I assume you are vehemently against the bailout for airlines, and the stimulus package for regualr citizens correct? Because thats clearly not individual liberty and rights and 100% not capitalism /
 
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I'm not taking any victory lap for the demise of Bolshevik Bernie's campaign.

His ideas need to be fought at every turn and with great vigor. Individual liberty and rights need to be protected and upheld; and it's clear we need to educate the latest generation that's fallen prey to the dopey collectivist mentality.


Lol I assume you are vehemently against the bailout for airlines, and the stimulus package for regualr citizens correct? Because thats clearly not individual liberty and rights and 100% not capitalism /
 
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In europe sanders in most context would be social democrat or even mid right. Health care for all, education with quality for all is what most european middle class considerred as basic.

A socialist marxist demands end of free markets own by the state.

Quit interesting is that in europe one important part for markets is to ensure competition. In USA today oligopol or even monopol with high cost seems to be standard. Medicines is an example where prices is extreme high.

Why do not the USA right protect free market and competition on behalf of the consumer?



The answer to your posed question is good old corporate greed and good old American corruption.
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I would also say that I think Bernie did the correct thing here, personal sacrifice for the common good, the defeat of this madman we have in office before he destroys our Democracy.
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:05 am

So Biden is going to be the Senate candidate and the Governor of Georgia the VP pick? :roll:

I guess at this point since Obama has not endorsed Biden then my estimation that something yet to transpire that will become clear at the DNC convention but I think Biden has given a clue.
I don't think it will be Harris, Abrams or Rice but close.
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I would also say that I think Bernie did the correct thing here, personal sacrifice for the common good, the defeat of this madman we have in office before he destroys our Democracy.


As they say, "a little bit of knowledge....".

We do NOT have a Democracy. We have a Constitutional Republic. It works a little differently.

It says right there in the, you know, Constitution.
 
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N212R wrote:
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I would also say that I think Bernie did the correct thing here, personal sacrifice for the common good, the defeat of this madman we have in office before he destroys our Democracy.


As they say, "a little bit of knowledge....".

We do NOT have a Democracy. We have a Constitutional Republic. It works a little differently.

It says right there in the, you know, Constitution.

We have an indirect democracy. The word democracy features in that phrase
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N212R wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
I would also say that I think Bernie did the correct thing here, personal sacrifice for the common good, the defeat of this madman we have in office before he destroys our Democracy.


As they say, "a little bit of knowledge....".

We do NOT have a Democracy. We have a Constitutional Republic. It works a little differently.

It says right there in the, you know, Constitution.

We have an indirect democracy. The word democracy features in that phrase


Show us the democracy in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution? As Franklin said, “.a Republic, if you can keep it?” Which we won’t.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:13 am

We should just partition the republic into four parts - the west, midwest, south, and northeast. The midwest gets to keep Texas.

We’ll reconvene in forty years, see what economies and living standards are like and see if ya’ll had ‘the right stuff’.
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:11 am

https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/en ... -democracy

If it was good enough for the US to be called an Arsenal of Democracy in that time and by this Great leader, it is good enough for me. All this nitpicking every time I mention Democracy is getting old, Who the hell does not know we have a Republic ?
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:19 am

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We have an indirect democracy. The word democracy features in that phrase


The word "democracy" is no where to be found in the US Constitution.

The term "indirect democracy" is a convenient and wholly inadequate bastardization of "constitutional republic". It was invented by 20th century Democrats who were tired of being shown the error of their false nomenclatura.
 
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:03 am

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stl07 wrote:
We have an indirect democracy. The word democracy features in that phrase


The word "democracy" is no where to be found in the US Constitution.

The term "indirect democracy" is a convenient and wholly inadequate bastardization of "constitutional republic". It was invented by 20th century Democrats who were tired of being shown the error of their false nomenclatura.


LOL, James Madison, is that you?

You are factually correct, but also being obsequious to the Constitution. Fundamentally, it is a framework explaining the structure and separation of government and its powers, nothing more or less. Those structures maintain their legitimacy because they are underpinned by democratic norms, in turn backed by gatekeepers, and auditors - the existence of which ensure proper functioning for citizens and a meaningful attempt (successful or not) at preventing corruption.

Authoritarian regimes also have constitutions, some of which separate powers as ours does - but it's unlikely you would refer to such nations' governments as functional, much less legitimate. In practice a lot of those governments fail to do what their constitutions would otherwise imply. What's the difference ? Democratic norms.
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:17 am

The debates will be like an evening in an nursing home. Lots of loud speaking, little context and gaping memory holes.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:18 pm

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I read that Sanders will continue in some states as a reminder to Biden that we don't want another Democrat running who may be the the right of Eisenhower.


The Dem party has been hijacked by the fringe left AOC types who want the complete overhaul of the USA into a Europe model. They don't need a reminder sent to those who reject this and support Biden. I think Sanders' toxic speech today in which he launched into his usual name calling of anyone in the opposing party.

I can't hide my joy to see him defeated again and relegated to obscurity. Which is where he belongs.

If you look at sources like Fox News and Breitbart you would believe this is true, but it's far from true. The Democratic party is actually still controlled by corporate neoliberals who will pass the occasional social bill to please the social liberals but will economically screw over the middle and working class every chance they get. I actually applaud AOC for speaking out against this aspect of the Democratic Party. AOC even says that if we were in any other country in the world, her and Biden would not both be from the same party. This is so true.

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I don't want to derail the thread, but there are a lot of down ballot races that matter. Like county commissioners and state representation. Wisconsin elects judges, from what I understand. The voters can get rid of these right wing ideologues and replace them with judges who know the law and not just tow the party line.

It will be interesting to see which states refuse to allow mail in or absentee or early votes? My guess is Republican/MAGA controlled states.

I agree with you on a lot seb, but the first paragraph is wrong. I actually believe both the WI supreme court and US supreme court got the ruling on WI legally correct. And looking at rulings over the years, it seems to me that rulings where conservatives are in the majority seem to follow the law as written more often than liberal dissents or rulings where liberals are in the majority. The ACA ruling written by John Roberts is the best example of this, even though Roberts is a conservative leaning justice.

As for your second paragraph, it all depends on the law. I suspect that legislatures will actually do their job and vote to allow a lot of the latter, especially in Democratic controlled areas. The issue in WI is Evers tried to act unilaterally which the state Constitution does not allow. Even so, the republicans in the Legislature need to be held accountable for their actions.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:59 pm

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seb146 wrote:
I don't want to derail the thread, but there are a lot of down ballot races that matter. Like county commissioners and state representation. Wisconsin elects judges, from what I understand. The voters can get rid of these right wing ideologues and replace them with judges who know the law and not just tow the party line.

It will be interesting to see which states refuse to allow mail in or absentee or early votes? My guess is Republican/MAGA controlled states.



As for your second paragraph, it all depends on the law. I suspect that legislatures will actually do their job and vote to allow a lot of the latter, especially in Democratic controlled areas. The issue in WI is Evers tried to act unilaterally which the state Constitution does not allow. Even so, the republicans in the Legislature need to be held accountable for their actions.


More to the point of your post, I was thinking about the election not actually happening in November, and I read a very interesting part of the Constitution that could come into play this year. This is from Article 2 Section 1 Paragraph 2 of the constitution.

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.


Notice how this gives the legislature of each state the ability to choose how the electors for the Electoral college are chosen. In most cases in this country, the Electors are chosen by the candidates they are pledged to support and the public votes for the states entire block of Electors for one or the other candidates. But this does not say that the voters have to decide the electors. This paragraph gives the legislature the ability for the legislature themselves to choose the states Electors to the electoral college. Why this is important is in almost every swing state this election cycle (AZ, FL, WI, MI, PA), the republicans control the State Legislature. If these states somehow moved to the legislature choosing the electors given the pandemic, then Trump is assured of a second term. Of course I would suspect such a power grab would result in legal challenges. But I also remind you that there is a faithless elector case before the Supreme Court right now. The ruling on this case is going to be huge to determine the future of how the electoral college is actually handled.

The above is very concerning for obvious reasons that I don't need to mention. But given the circumstances we are in...I could see this happening.
 
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Re: Sen. Bernie Sanders ends Presidental primary run

Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:23 pm

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Show us the democracy in either the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution? As Franklin said, “.a Republic, if you can keep it?” Which we won’t.

Sigh... (picks nits off shoulder).... The Constitution does require majority votes etc. for attaining office in the government, yes? Even the EC requires a majority as it applies. And the EC and other protections are there to protect against the "tyranny of the majority" (and a stupid or incapable citizenry). Now you can say that is not "a democracy" but that is just picking nits as it is democratic process that drive and are fundamental to the function of the USA, as dictated by the Constitution.

So, we are a Republic but also a democracy even if not 100% (because, in case some don't know this, no country is 100% "democracy"). A democracy is government by the people, who may do so either directly or indirectly, through elected representatives. A republic is government in which the people’s elected representatives make decisions.

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