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Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:59 am

There seems to be something odd with the political ideological colors in the United States. The center to liberal leaning Democratic Party is blue while the right leaning Republican Party is red. In the rest of the world, red means liberal and blue means conservative. Why is that the case in the United States?
 
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:25 am

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Why is that the case in the United States?


it was. Until the Democrats and Republicans switched places in the political spectrum about half a century ago.

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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:48 am

Never mind - a much better explaination is on Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:10 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
In the rest of the world, red means liberal and blue means conservative.


No it doesn't. Red is used by social democratic, socialist and communist parties, blue is used by liberals and conservatives.
 
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:19 pm

IIRC the red and blue thing wasn't really set in stone until the 2000 election or so. But the red will suit conservatives well when Donald Trump decides to become a hardcore Stalinist and they just blindly follow along...
 
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:21 pm

Red has always been the choice of Brutal regimes.
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:26 pm

Well, ArchGuy1 stumbled over the other issue in the US, with "liberal" meaning left wing, when elsewhere it means centrist tending towards the right.
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:27 pm

VSMUT wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
In the rest of the world, red means liberal and blue means conservative.


No it doesn't. Red is used by social democratic, socialist and communist parties, blue is used by liberals and conservatives.

When color TV came about, stations used the same colors that UK parties had used: Tory blue (conservatives) and Labour red (liberal). It was the belief in the spectrum that the right used blue to distinguish it from the labor-supported leftist parties at the time, along the lines of the communists and socialists.

However, saying that red is a liberal thing is disingenuous. The communist parties of the Soviet Union and China (for example) were not liberal, but from the Western standpoint, they were radically different than the traditional norms of the region.
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:31 pm

I think in a lot of countries liberalism is represented by Yellow.
 
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:45 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
In the rest of the world, red means liberal and blue means conservative.


No it doesn't. Red is used by social democratic, socialist and communist parties, blue is used by liberals and conservatives.

When color TV came about, stations used the same colors that UK parties had used: Tory blue (conservatives) and Labour red (liberal). It was the belief in the spectrum that the right used blue to distinguish it from the labor-supported leftist parties at the time, along the lines of the communists and socialists.


I'm not sure I completely buy that story. Political colours were a thing way before colour TV. For example, the Nazis actively used colour in their campaigns, notably brown. The Nazis emulated Mussolini, who did the same with Black. Socialists used red since the French revolution. Colour TV may not have been a thing, but flags, banners and posters were.

Political colours more likely came into being more as an attempt at identifying themselves among illiterates, notably the uneducated workers and farmers. Along the same lines, that is why the Republicans and Democrats in the US use Elephants and Donkeys to symbolize themselves.
 
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:24 pm

Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have roots in socialism/communism. It's like asking if the communists are donkeys or elephants? No relation.
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:40 pm

Red for left and Blue for right has been a thing for more than a century.
Somehow those strange americans decided to switch them about 20 years ago.

And then they continued doing even stranger things.

What a mess that country has become!
 
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Sun May 03, 2020 1:48 pm

M564038 wrote:
Red for left and Blue for right has been a thing for more than a century.
Somehow those strange americans decided to switch them about 20 years ago.

And then they continued doing even stranger things.

What a mess that country has become!


Went back and forth for years. Yellow is usually independent now. The media chose the colors in use today.
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Sun May 03, 2020 4:05 pm

DL717 wrote:
M564038 wrote:
Red for left and Blue for right has been a thing for more than a century.
Somehow those strange americans decided to switch them about 20 years ago.

And then they continued doing even stranger things.

What a mess that country has become!


Went back and forth for years. Yellow is usually independent now. The media chose the colors in use today.


I thought in the U.S. Yellow usually represents the Libertarian Party. Independent is usually gray or white.
 
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Mon May 04, 2020 1:27 pm

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I thought in the U.S. Yellow usually represents the Libertarian Party. Independent is usually gray or white.

The Libertarians identify with yellow, but as they are a minor party (though the largest of them), any 3rd party/individual beyond the red/blue duopoly is colored yellow. Gray is not really a color to be used for a party or individual as gray is the color used for government divisions (county, town, state) that have not yet provided or finalized voting numbers when voting is underway.
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Re: Why Blue Means Liberal and Red Means Conservative in the United States

Mon May 04, 2020 4:39 pm

einsteinboricua wrote:
1337Delta764 wrote:
I thought in the U.S. Yellow usually represents the Libertarian Party. Independent is usually gray or white.

The Libertarians identify with yellow, but as they are a minor party (though the largest of them), any 3rd party/individual beyond the red/blue duopoly is colored yellow. Gray is not really a color to be used for a party or individual as gray is the color used for government divisions (county, town, state) that have not yet provided or finalized voting numbers when voting is underway.


Well, I have seen Green used to represent the Green Party.

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