seb146 wrote:N583JB wrote:wingman wrote:
You're saying that those white people at the Nazi rally in Va didn't see themselves as part of a group? Or that any other white people like these Georgia crackers that hunt down and kill black people don't see themselves as part of a "group"? You must've missed every single history class you were ever supposed to attend.
The ONLY reason white people are even inconvenienced with light jail time as they wait for trials with generally very predictable outcomes is because these murders are filmed in broad daylight. Roll back the clock just 25 years and these wouldn't even be news stories. White people have been chanting Nazi and KKK slogans in this country for 50-90 years and torturing, killing and raping black people by the thousands in that time. All of this was covered across many years of mandatory education in Middle and High School curricula across the nation.
How can we even pretend to have a semi intelligent conversations when people like you think BLM is a bona fide "group" but Nazi rallies, KKK meetings and the Tea Party aren't organized fronts for racial hatred?
Very fair points indeed. Perhaps I should amend my statement to say that BLM was a "legitimized" group....the KKK and neo nazis are definitely very real groups, but they are fringe groups and aside from a few nutjobs here and there, those groups don't have any legitimate voice in the media or in politics. If a politician brags about being endorsed by the KKK, he/she is immediately condemned and justifiably so. CNN and the BBC also aren't going to have KKK members as panelists when discussing various hot button issues. The KKK has already alienated 99% of the population because they are complete jerks and always have been (I'd like to use a stronger term than "jerk", but am trying to avoid profanity).
On the flip side, BLM had that seat at the table, that voice, that representation. Instead of using that for good, they squandered that opportunity and alienated a lot of people in my opinion. That is my frustration with them. BLM started off with great potential to be a unifying force, but they alone are responsible for choosing not to unify and choosing instead to further division, in my opinion. A lot of that stems from the fact that BLM was intentionally disorganized, with different branches having wildly different voices.
KKK and neo-Nazis have a very clear voice. They are not fringe groups. They are main stream and part of the Republican party. Some in the Republican party whole heartedly endorse them. Others tolerate them. There are a few fringe people in the Republican party who have said they want nothing to do with KKK or neo-Nazis. But, go look at videos of right wing rallies. Look at the Confederate flags and military dress popular with neo-Nazis. These "very fine people".
BLM, on the other hand, started off as a hashtag on social media. They had no structure for a long time. They were labeled as a fringe group by right wing media and, to this day, are hated because of whatever reason seems good at the moment. BLM never "had a seat at the table" because they were seen as a passing fad in social media. Then, they were seen as alienating people. They were never a legitimate group, partly because of the optics of right wing media. The same right wing media who decided "all lives matter" and "blue lives matter" should replace or challenge BLM. Almost convincing reasons for supporting "all lives matter" and "blue lives matter" are still being thrown around.
It is funny, though, these same people who endorse "all lives matter" hate "black lives matter". It is almost as if they want to say "all lives matter but some lives matter more than others".
Get off it already. We just had a virtually all white jury convict 3 white men of killing a black man in a southern state but in all your eyes all white people are white supremacists even liberals who are white think that. It all comes down to video. The cop who killed George Floyd was convicted that way so was the cop in South Carolina as well as Kyle Rittenhouse and this Amhad Arbury case as much as you only want a verdict to go one way I agree with all the verdicts and it proved that a mostly white jury could be impartial.
