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Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 12:06 pm

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/restaurant ... r-records/


The governor wants your ID, phone number, email and wants to know where you came from and where you are going in order to get food.

I am some how seeing a pattern here.

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Wed May 13, 2020 12:33 pm

You misrepresent the article, you need to provide information to make infections traceable, that you may contract or pass onto others while eating at a restaurant. You don't need to provide anything to get food.

The ID requirement became unfortunately necessary as certain parts of the population can not be relied upon understanding the need for tracing information and are fairly likely to provide false information. The same folks as the ones that made rather harsh lockdown orders necessary in the first place, and that are responsible for making those rather long.

The downside of a fairly infectious virus is that it only takes a few hands full of idiots to ruin the day for everyone. Just ask SK about going essentially back into lockdown over one single guy feeling the urge to visit 5 nightclubs without a mask.

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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 12:36 pm

Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!
 
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 12:41 pm

UnMAXed wrote:
Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!


No one is denying you the right to get take out or dine at the restaurant. I would think I a trump supporter would understand that the need to reopen the economy is going to require some trade offs to keep the economy from closing again.
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Wed May 13, 2020 12:42 pm

UnMAXed wrote:
Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!


There is no alternative to voting if you don't have an ID, but you can have take out pancakes or whip up your own as you please without one. It's a fairly obvious difference between the two.

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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 12:48 pm

I am not sure that will be workable, especially as other gatherings kick in, in subsequent phases as early as the end of July. There are indications that 60-70% of the public is not willing at this point to go to eat in restaurants. Restaurants will continue to suffer and fail until vaccines or much better treatments become available.
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 1:19 pm

Okie wrote:
I am some how seeing a pattern here.

Do tell...what is the pattern here?

Giving the "gubmint" information it already has?

Denying you the (non-existent) right to eat out wherever you please? If a business has the right to refuse service based on "sincerely-held beliefs", then surely it has the right to refuse service if its patrons do not play a part in helping slow down the pandemic (oh...not so nice now that the shoe is on the other foot, is it?).

Besides, I thought it was a non-issue having IDs given that we use modern conveniences that require ourselves to be identified so this shoudn't be a problem.

What is the deal here?

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Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!

Given that there is a constitutional right to vote but not to eating out at restaurants, this is among the most ridiculous replies I've seen. Whereas you can carry out, order delivery, or make your own meals (as alternatives to eating out), pray tell what is the alternative to vote? How are the three alternatives to eating out a bigger burden than that of having to chase down documents to get an ID?
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 1:42 pm

UnMAXed wrote:
Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!


Partisan shilling absent of scientific public health context masquerading as red herring.
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 1:47 pm

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Giving the "gubmint" information it already has?


WAKE UP Einstein. Damn! There is already offers on the internet for pictures of the logs with your name address email ID which has your birthdate and phone number and they have not even opened up yet.


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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 1:56 pm

Okie wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
Giving the "gubmint" information it already has?


WAKE UP Einstein. Damn! There is already offers on the internet for pictures of the logs with your name address email ID which has your birthdate and phone number and they have not even opened up yet.


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This reminds me of this clip from SNL.

https://youtu.be/O7VaXlMvAvk?t=114
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 2:19 pm

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UnMAXed wrote:
Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!


There is no alternative to voting if you don't have an ID, but you can have take out pancakes or whip up your own as you please without one. It's a fairly obvious difference between the two.

Getting an ID is always an option, unless you're not who you say you are, which is exactly why they're required.
 
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 2:21 pm

Okie wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
Giving the "gubmint" information it already has?


WAKE UP Einstein. Damn! There is already offers on the internet for pictures of the logs with your name address email ID which has your birthdate and phone number and they have not even opened up yet.


Okie


Oh well, that’s just digital wild west capitalism. :hyper: Privacy has been a fantasy since the NSA of 1947, renewed for the modern age in the USAPA of 2001.
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Wed May 13, 2020 3:13 pm

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WAKE UP Einstein. Damn! There is already offers on the internet for pictures of the logs with your name address email ID which has your birthdate and phone number and they have not even opened up yet.

Do you really think that the local diner and the big chain restaurant are going to collect an entire questionnaire about my life? Are you really under the impression that they'll just collect info on you and leave it unattended?
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Wed May 13, 2020 3:21 pm

If it is for contact tracing, sure showing a valid ID is no big deal. I think valid phone number should be enough with a universal name Joe Schmuck.

So far every state, county and city have very poor performance when it comes to contact tracing. Apparently only Indian Tribes are the only group mastered this.

Even being a leader in infections and deaths NY Governor couldn't answer the question, Where so many people are getting infected? No clue.

I think it is about time to take help of local PD detectives and state/federal investigative bureaus.
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 3:30 pm

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Do you really think that the local diner and the big chain restaurant are going to collect an entire questionnaire about my life? Are you really under the impression that they'll just collect info on you and leave it unattended?


I can't make you read nor comprehend the article that quotes Inslee.

What kind of tracking is going to be required to travel through the airports? Will the state require a marketable log or will they just rely on the airlines turning over that information?

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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 3:44 pm

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Apparently only Indian Tribes are the only group mastered this.


I have a relative that works for an Indigenous Tribe.
To clarify that for you. If the tribe has Casino/Gambling/Gaming they have as much and most likely more information on a person than the three main credit services.
Signing up to use that card to operate their machines for a couple bucks free credits really shoots yourself in the foot.

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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 3:49 pm

Maybe they could settle for a phone number/email and user name. Also agree that data will not be aggregated, and data tossed in 21-30 days. Were I to become infected I would feel a civic duty to pass that information on to anyone who was in close contact with me.
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Wed May 13, 2020 4:01 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
UnMAXed wrote:
Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!


Partisan shilling absent of scientific public health context masquerading as red herring.

You have not demanded that UnMAXed provide a link. :confused:
 
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Wed May 13, 2020 4:15 pm

FTMCPIUS wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
UnMAXed wrote:
Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!


Partisan shilling absent of scientific public health context masquerading as red herring.

You have not demanded that UnMAXed provide a link. :confused:


There was no information of substance to require a source for.
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 5:12 pm

I understand the concept and it's not a terrible idea. If I went to a restaurant and someone who was there at the same time ended up being infected with COVID, I'd want to know about it and the only way I would know is if both that person and I had given the restaurant our contact info. That being said, I understand people's concerns over privacy issues. Personally, I think I would refrain from dining in at a restaurant for some time yet regardless of the ID requirement. And if someone is not comfortable with providing that ID info, then they should refrain from dining in for that reason even if they are not hesitant because of health concerns - pretty simple really
 
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Wed May 13, 2020 6:10 pm

Okie wrote:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/restaurants-reopening-washington-customer-records/


The governor wants your ID, phone number, email and wants to know where you came from and where you are going in order to get food.

I am some how seeing a pattern here.

Okie



As a resident of the Evergreen State of Washington...Please STOP....Governor Inslee does not want the data, the Health Departments' in the various counties want the data and will be protected under HIPAA protocols. The reason being to actually be PROACTIVE in containing and defeating this virus, unlike many other States in the Union. Very simple, you do not want to participate..VOLUNTARILY....don't. Stay home and do not engage in possibly infecting everyone else out there trying to help quell this pandemic.

Enough of the half truths and "Plandemic" bullshit....Your Constitutional Rights are still secure.
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Wed May 13, 2020 7:17 pm

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Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!

The debate is over a PHOTO ID, not an ID. Big difference. I have no opinion on the issue, but my state's photo ID law was struck down by conservative judges for being unconstitutional, so I think I would rather support the people with the degree then random people online and "enlightened" politicians on this issue.

Also, I want to get back to reopening asap, and contact tracing is how it is going to be done safely, so I'm all for this. You guys against this can sit at home and keep sheltering in place for months after the rest of us with a brain.
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Wed May 13, 2020 8:47 pm

For a minute I wasn't sure what to think here. Glad the usual crowd is out in force explaining why this is acceptable and not akin to voting. Thanks!
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Wed May 13, 2020 9:14 pm

Okie wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
Do you really think that the local diner and the big chain restaurant are going to collect an entire questionnaire about my life? Are you really under the impression that they'll just collect info on you and leave it unattended?


I can't make you read nor comprehend the article that quotes Inslee.

What kind of tracking is going to be required to travel through the airports? Will the state require a marketable log or will they just rely on the airlines turning over that information?

Okie


wow! the government has the flight manifest three days before a flight. how do you not know this? The gate agent then gives the captain the final flight manifests they sign off on it. It's sent to the government.
 
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Wed May 13, 2020 9:19 pm

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And if someone is not comfortable with providing that ID info, then they should refrain from dining in for that reason even if they are not hesitant because of health concerns - pretty simple really

And this is what it boils down to. You don't HAVE to eat out. If you're hungry, you have options.

If you're concerned about handing out PII, take out or order delivery. Problem solved.

You save your info AND your well being.
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Wed May 13, 2020 9:23 pm

Okie wrote:
The governor wants your ID, phone number, email and wants to know where you came from and where you are going in order to get food.I am some how seeing a pattern here.


Of course you do; you see a conspiracy theory in everything. Bless your little heart...


bhill wrote:
Very simple, you do not want to participate..VOLUNTARILY....don't.


:checkmark: Besides, it is hard to wear a mask and a tin-foil hat at the same time...


bhill wrote:
Stay home and do not engage in possibly infecting everyone else out there trying to help quell this pandemic.


Not to mention we don't need more people infected with the type of "thinking" that leads to topics like this.


bhill wrote:
Enough of the half truths and "Plandemic" bullshit....Your Constitutional Rights are still secure.



Unfortunately, if it weren't for half-truths and bullshit, some people wouldn't have anything to post here.


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afcjets wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
UnMAXed wrote:
Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!


There is no alternative to voting if you don't have an ID, but you can have take out pancakes or whip up your own as you please without one. It's a fairly obvious difference between the two.

Getting an ID is always an option.


its always an option to fly business class.

Okie wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
Giving the "gubmint" information it already has?


WAKE UP Einstein. Damn! There is already offers on the internet for pictures of the logs with your name address email ID which has your birthdate and phone number and they have not even opened up yet.


Okie


you mean Facebook?

And i would like to see those offers.... last time someone complained about undue offers, paid protesters against Trump, it turns out that all those advertisements where hoaxes, none of the phone numbers in those ads existed.

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Other states joining in. I will not patronize an establishment that asks for my information. Going to hurt business.
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Thu May 14, 2020 12:35 pm

What I find slightly ridiculous is that nearly all of the East Asian countries have been successful at limiting the coronavirus, but they took far less drastic actions including weaker lockdowns (except for Hubei and Singapore, the latter due to the large number of expats from the West returning to Singapore to flee the pandemic)
 
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Thu May 14, 2020 12:48 pm

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What I find slightly ridiculous is that nearly all of the East Asian countries have been successful at limiting the coronavirus, but they took far less drastic actions including weaker lockdowns


Isn't that what you'd expect? They just had a SARS scare a couple of years back and remember that stuff works. No "I want a hair cut right now, and having to wear a mask violates my human rights, the virus is a hoax anyways!!!!" in Asia. Plus the idea of just sacrificing the old ones isn't really something most asian cultures would seriously consider, while you find plenty of people doing just that in western countries. As evident from the forum as well.

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Thu May 14, 2020 2:54 pm

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Other states joining in. I will not patronize an establishment that asks for my information. Going to hurt business.

And that's what anyone else should also do if they are uncomfortable with this order. See, no problem.
 
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Thu May 14, 2020 3:20 pm

If you use a credit card to pay for your meal you are potentially providing a huge amount of data - which can be, and is stored and studied. If you wipe your face with a napkin, not only can the identify you, they can identify that your 2nd cousin was the perpetrator of a heinous crime 40 years ago. Be paranoid, it is happening. And, oh yes, the security cameras have a picture not only of you, but the various people you have been with for the last 5 years. They know.
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Thu May 14, 2020 5:37 pm

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Requiring ID in order to vote is regressive and inconceivable but requiring it in order to eat pancakes is progressive and reasonable!


Except that is not what is happening at all.

No one but no one is saying requiring ID to vote is bad. No one. What is bad are the arbitrary and confusing rules and laws put out there by Republicans. Denying people the right to vote because we are supposed to be mind readers and know what is valid, when the voter rolls were purged, and such

You can still get a Big Breakfast Platter at McDonalds in drive thru.

But, wait... that requires you to have a valid ID to drive...... my bad.....
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Thu May 14, 2020 5:42 pm

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Other states joining in. I will not patronize an establishment that asks for my information. Going to hurt business.


So you are just going to surf the web ordering from Postmates and Door Dash and eBay? Because none of that requires any of your personal information....

You could look at it this way:

they take everyone's information. They discover that one person was infected and got sick. Would you rather risk getting sick and passing the virus on to vulnerable people or be told that someone in that restaurant was sick and here are steps you can take to avoid transmitting? With no ID, it sets up small businesses for law suits. They would have to defend themselves from "why wasn't I told the person in the next booth was sick?" law suits. Which they can not afford because they are small businesses.
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Other states joining in. I will not patronize an establishment that asks for my information. Going to hurt business.

Given that for most business you ARE giving them some information, this is pretty much silly. Unless you are flush with cash when you pay, there's always gonna be something about you. That receipt for that purchase? That has some info about you. That order you placed on Amazon? They have your address and credit card information. That pizza you asked to be delivered? They have your address and payment method. That DoorDash delivery? Same thing.

So what is so wrong with leaving, at the very least, a telephone number so that, in case you were exposed, you're contacted and warned?
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Fri May 15, 2020 1:53 pm

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airhansa wrote:
What I find slightly ridiculous is that nearly all of the East Asian countries have been successful at limiting the coronavirus, but they took far less drastic actions including weaker lockdowns


Isn't that what you'd expect? They just had a SARS scare a couple of years back and remember that stuff works. No "I want a hair cut right now, and having to wear a mask violates my human rights, the virus is a hoax anyways!!!!" in Asia. Plus the idea of just sacrificing the old ones isn't really something most asian cultures would seriously consider, while you find plenty of people doing just that in western countries. As evident from the forum as well.

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Yes, but the way that so many westerners look down on Asian healthcare philosophy is condemning them to death. It's ridiculous that westerners believe in "evidence based medicine" but prefer to ignore the eastern response to the coronavirus just because they're not following western educational institutions.
 
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Yes, but the way that so many westerners look down on Asian healthcare philosophy is condemning them to death. It's ridiculous that westerners believe in "evidence based medicine" but prefer to ignore the eastern response to the coronavirus just because they're not following western educational institutions.


That is because XI numbers are fake.

US did 10M tests, 1.4M confirmed cases, 1M active cases, 87K deaths.

How can one conclude 87K confirmed, 78K recovered and 91 active cases is better when the number of tests is ZERO for 1.43 Billion people.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... #countries
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Fri May 15, 2020 2:49 pm

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airhansa wrote:
Yes, but the way that so many westerners look down on Asian healthcare philosophy is condemning them to death. It's ridiculous that westerners believe in "evidence based medicine" but prefer to ignore the eastern response to the coronavirus just because they're not following western educational institutions.


That is because XI numbers are fake.

US did 10M tests, 1.4M confirmed cases, 1M active cases, 87K deaths.

How can one conclude 87K confirmed, 78K recovered and 91 active cases is better when the number of tests is ZERO for 1.43 Billion people.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... #countries


Because we do know zero isn't the right number? They must have at least tested 87k people after all, right?

And they just said days ago the will test 11 million people in Wuhan within 10 days... so they seem to be confident they can process over a million tests per day.

And if you compare their "fake" data with real world data from anywhere else.... gosh damn, the somehow managed to make data that is a) fake, but somehow still b) describes the dynamics of an outbreak perfectly. What an awesome fakery, so real you can't tell it's fake.

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Because we do know zero isn't the right number? They must have at least tested 87k people after all, right?

And they just said days ago the will test 11 million people in Wuhan within 10 days... so they seem to be confident they can process over a million tests per day.

And if you compare their "fake" data with real world data from anywhere else.... gosh damn, the somehow managed to make data that is a) fake, but somehow still b) describes the dynamics of an outbreak perfectly. What an awesome fakery, so real you can't tell it's fake.

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The dynamics are very simple.
There are two types of countries/states/counties/cities

Group A: Those not testing enough and pretending or hiding to be in good shape and bolstering they have a handle on the situation
Group B: Those testing heavily and reporting and want to test more, but appear to struggle to get a handle on the situation.

Question is who is doing the right thing. Those who are faking or those who appear to be struggling.

XI's ZERO is not better than USA's 14 Million.
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XI's ZERO is not better than USA's 14 Million.

Don't tell Trump that. He's under the impression that if we hadn't tested people we woudn't have a higher case load, which makes him look better.

Because burying your head in the sand is the alternative of a cure. No tests = no more cases uncovered = no more covid deaths. Worthy of the Nobel Prize in Medicine.
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Other states joining in. I will not patronize an establishment that asks for my information. Going to hurt business.

And that's what anyone else should also do if they are uncomfortable with this order. See, no problem.


We are all supposed to support small businesses but when small businesses do not want to be sued for possibly exposing people to covid-19 and getting their contact information, people will not patronize those small businesses. Then, those same people (like NikV) will complain there are no small businesses....
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Fri May 15, 2020 6:26 pm

seb146 wrote:
Then, those same people (like NikV) will complain there are no small businesses....

While remarking that it's how a free market economy is supposed to work.
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Fri May 15, 2020 7:16 pm

seb146 wrote:
ER757 wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
Other states joining in. I will not patronize an establishment that asks for my information. Going to hurt business.

And that's what anyone else should also do if they are uncomfortable with this order. See, no problem.


We are all supposed to support small businesses but when small businesses do not want to be sued for possibly exposing people to covid-19 and getting their contact information, people will not patronize those small businesses. Then, those same people (like NikV) will complain there are no small businesses....

The ironic thing is that if he goes to said restaurant, makes a reservation by calling from his phone and/or pays with a credit card, they have his info anyhow.
 
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Fri May 15, 2020 8:41 pm

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Just ask SK


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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Fri May 15, 2020 10:07 pm

Meanwhile the Senate passes a bill allowing the FBI and CIA to access your browsing history without a warrant, and not a peep...

But requiring an ID at a restaurant is the real problem
 
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Fri May 15, 2020 10:15 pm

FGITD wrote:
Meanwhile the Senate passes a bill allowing the FBI and CIA to access your browsing history without a warrant, and not a peep...

That would be this by the way:
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/13/21 ... -mcconnell

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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Sat May 16, 2020 8:12 am

Tugger wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Meanwhile the Senate passes a bill allowing the FBI and CIA to access your browsing history without a warrant, and not a peep...

That would be this by the way:
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/5/13/21 ... -mcconnell

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Wow, funny how some bitch and moan about their "loss of freedom and rights", like not being able to go to the gym or get a haircut, but they're silent about this. :o
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Sat May 16, 2020 2:23 pm

Very roughly as I understand it, Europe (UK to a different degree) collect a lot of information but companies are allowed less collecting. They also have stricter privacy rules, and that information seldom is leaked, shared or passed on to other companies and industry. This is an ongoing battle between Google and the EU. I have often wondered why the 'get the government of my back' bunch have allowed private companies to hijack government authority and gained the right to invade privacy rights of individuals.
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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Sat May 16, 2020 6:06 pm

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The governor wants your ID, phone number, email and wants to know where you came from and where you are going in order to get food.I am some how seeing a pattern here.Of course you do; you see a conspiracy theory in everything. Bless your little heart...


Well after being on the business end of Phil Murphy, Cuomo, de Blasio for the crime of spending 4 days on vacation visiting sites around the area, catching Hamilton and some other touristy things and using my personal credit card I was charged with tax fraud for not filing income tax in those two states and nyc.

Guilty until proven otherwise. They wanted to tax 2% of my income plus fines and penalties for vacationing in their state. They are hoping that people will just roll over because it is cheaper than the legal fees and time involved. They were wrong

You can play your bless your little heart game all you want. You expecting when the government comes after you with a law looking for a crime you are assuming the bear has already eaten everyone else.

FGITD wrote:
Meanwhile the Senate passes a bill allowing the FBI and CIA to access your browsing history without a warrant, and not a peep...


The senate modified the house bill, approved the modifications and sent it back to the house for approval.

The real question is: "do you really think Trump is going to sign a bill into law that does not address FISA abuse"?

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Re: Washington State Requires ID for Resturant Service

Sat May 16, 2020 6:40 pm

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The real question is: "do you really think Trump is going to sign a bill into law that does not address FISA abuse"?

Basically yes, I do. He, his administration is pushing the intrusive surveillance section 215 of Patriot Act. So he supports intrusive elements of it.

Also I know NY is particularly egregious regarding taxes so I don't doubt your bad experience there. But googling around for "i visited ny now it wants me to pay income tax" and similar I am not finding other information on that particular practice (it wouldn't have surprised me). The only results that came up were of people that were NY'ers that were non-residents and visited or people that earned income or were on business while visiting NY. If I may ask, how were they hanging you? My family visits there fairly often so I want to be sure to avoid whatever the pitfall was.

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