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Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 pm

It is well documented now that Nancy Pelosi is no friend of progressives, and is a corporate/neoliberal establishment Democrat to the core. When the CARES act was passed and Pelosi literally caved to Mitch McConnell on everything, she assured progressives that we will get them next time. So yesterday she unveils the HEROS Act, and even though Brietbart spins this bill as a liberal fantasy list, the truth is it is another middle finger to progressives, and people like Kyle Kulinski and Krystal Ball are already against the bill and now even people in the House such as Ro Khanna are raising serious questions about this bill. Here is a list of some things the bill does and doesn't do.

1. The bill provides a bailout to K Street Lobbying firms. In asking for this, K Street literally sent out a press release saying if we don't get bailed out, we cannot write your bills? How is this ok? Shouldn't it be congress that writes bills and not K Street? This is corruption at its finest. And yet no one is reporting on this save for the intercept? Why isn't the press doing their job on this and pointing this out? And how are Democratic voters ok with this?

2. The bill relies on COBRA additions to improve access to healthcare rather than Medicare/Medicaid expansions. This helps no one who loses a job and cannot get employer healthcare.

3. The bill only provides people a second one time payment of $2,000 or so, rather than a full UBI for the crisis.

4. The bill provides massive tax breaks for the Wealthiest blue state residents, and very little for the middle and working class.

5. The bill does not lift the cap on the Small Business Loan program, and that needs to happen ASAP and should have never been put in the first bill.

6. The bill does not include a paycheck guarantee.

So basically this bill provides more of what the corporate donors want, a few items sprinkled here and there to appease progressives, but in the grand scheme of things, basically tells progressives they have no seat at the table. Krystal Ball had an excellent monologue on this this morning?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ycitD768-Q

So my question is, how long are progressives going to continue to play nicey nicey with the democratic establishment before they realize that they care nothing about progressive ideas just power? Is it time for some in the progressive movement to stand up and be hated, rather than the kumbaya approach that has continued to ensure that the wealthiest get wealthier and the middle and working class continue to get screwed? You saw this work on the right with people like Ted Cruz and Jim Jordan. So far on the left, the only person who has come close to this is AOC.
 
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Wed May 13, 2020 6:56 pm

It's called making a bill that can pass. Perhaps you don't understand how the legislative branch works?

This thread could be about anyone anywhere in Congress?
Why the attack?
Why the lack of fundamental US constitutional understanding from yourself?

Is this another attack launched by Fraud news from NYC?
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Wed May 13, 2020 7:05 pm

casinterest wrote:
It's called making a bill that can pass. Perhaps you don't understand how the legislative branch works?

This thread could be about anyone anywhere in Congress?
Why the attack?
Why the lack of fundamental US constitutional understanding from yourself?

Is this another attack launched by Fraud news from NYC?


Here is the flaw in your thinking. The Bill that Pelosi put out cant pass the Senate anyways. We all know that this is nothing more than a talking point bill. So why leave out progressive ideas. Assuming a bill passes the senate and the bill goes to conference, why not pass something more bold in the house thus the middle ground that gets negotiated in conference is actually closer to where the democratic base is. By not doing so, Pelosi is giving away all the leverage she has to negotiate with McConnell (Which she gave away in the first bill anyways).

And this has nothing to do with Fox news. This complaint comes straight from progressives. Go watch Krystal Ball, Cenk Unger, Kyle Kulinski, or Ana Kasparian sometime. These people are all progressives, and they all agree with my post.
 
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Wed May 13, 2020 7:10 pm

apodino wrote:
casinterest wrote:
It's called making a bill that can pass. Perhaps you don't understand how the legislative branch works?

This thread could be about anyone anywhere in Congress?
Why the attack?
Why the lack of fundamental US constitutional understanding from yourself?

Is this another attack launched by Fraud news from NYC?


Here is the flaw in your thinking. The Bill that Pelosi put out cant pass the Senate anyways. We all know that this is nothing more than a talking point bill. So why leave out progressive ideas. Assuming a bill passes the senate and the bill goes to conference, why not pass something more bold in the house thus the middle ground that gets negotiated in conference is actually closer to where the democratic base is. By not doing so, Pelosi is giving away all the leverage she has to negotiate with McConnell (Which she gave away in the first bill anyways).

And this has nothing to do with Fox news. This complaint comes straight from progressives. Go watch Krystal Ball, Cenk Unger, Kyle Kulinski, or Ana Kasparian sometime. These people are all progressives, and they all agree with my post.



It could pass the Senate though, and when the economy continues to tank, the Democrats can use it to point to the lack of integrity among the GOP controlled Senate to work on a Bill to help ALL AMERICANS.

Progressives can complain about riders all they want, but at the end of the day, All American lives are at concern, and so the "progressive priorities" are not a part of a bill that is designed very much like the one that passed in March.

The GOP has a strange detachment from reality currently, and if you go look at our headlines on this site compared to the Fox news headlines, you will realize that Covid-19 is not a pressing concern among the GOP media and elites.
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Wed May 13, 2020 10:06 pm

casinterest wrote:
apodino wrote:
casinterest wrote:
It's called making a bill that can pass. Perhaps you don't understand how the legislative branch works?

This thread could be about anyone anywhere in Congress?
Why the attack?
Why the lack of fundamental US constitutional understanding from yourself?

Is this another attack launched by Fraud news from NYC?


Here is the flaw in your thinking. The Bill that Pelosi put out cant pass the Senate anyways. We all know that this is nothing more than a talking point bill. So why leave out progressive ideas. Assuming a bill passes the senate and the bill goes to conference, why not pass something more bold in the house thus the middle ground that gets negotiated in conference is actually closer to where the democratic base is. By not doing so, Pelosi is giving away all the leverage she has to negotiate with McConnell (Which she gave away in the first bill anyways).

And this has nothing to do with Fox news. This complaint comes straight from progressives. Go watch Krystal Ball, Cenk Unger, Kyle Kulinski, or Ana Kasparian sometime. These people are all progressives, and they all agree with my post.



It could pass the Senate though, and when the economy continues to tank, the Democrats can use it to point to the lack of integrity among the GOP controlled Senate to work on a Bill to help ALL AMERICANS.

Progressives can complain about riders all they want, but at the end of the day, All American lives are at concern, and so the "progressive priorities" are not a part of a bill that is designed very much like the one that passed in March.

The GOP has a strange detachment from reality currently, and if you go look at our headlines on this site compared to the Fox news headlines, you will realize that Covid-19 is not a pressing concern among the GOP media and elites.

Again, the problem with your statement is all the progressive priorities that were left out are ones that specifically would help Americans during this crisis. Everything that was left in benefits mainly the wealthy and corporations. This is exactly the game Pelosi plays with her caucus. She puts all this crap in that only benefits those at the top, and very little to help us and then basically pressures her caucus into voting for it or else they will be seen as not helping the average people. This is why progressives are so frustrated, and this is why this bill is bad. Why democrats are pushing a bill that gives massive tax breaks to the wealthiest residents of Blue States, and does very little to help the working class voter, I don't understand.
 
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Wed May 13, 2020 10:20 pm

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The Bill that Pelosi put out cant pass the Senate anyways. We all know that this is nothing more than a talking point bill. So why leave out progressive ideas.

A bill is likelier to pass the GOP held Senate without progressive ideas than one loaded with them. While some of the progressive ideas are noble, progressives won't accept their ideas being put on a temporary basis; they'll press to be added permanently. From a strategy standpoint, the "socialism" card won't play well in these elections (after all, giving people money is socialism until you get a cut of the pie; then, it's all good). However, you also don't want to bog your party and allow McConnell to point at the House and say "if you're still hurting, don't look at me; look at the House which is passing bills they know won't pass in the Senate". Keeping the progressive items to a minimum places the ball back in McConnell's court since what they're passing should be palatable for all of them. In addition, it helps Democratic candidates for Senate since they won't be tied to the "socialist" label; instead, they can point to incumbent Republicans sitting on their hands without passing something they shouldn't object to.

Progressives need to take a seat; if they want their policies enacted, they need a Senate willing to pass it and a president willing to sign it. Otherwise, it's a waste of time and effort, and campaign material for Republicans.
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Wed May 13, 2020 10:31 pm

I think the bill also extends the $600 unemployment bonus through December.
 
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Thu May 14, 2020 12:50 am

Thanks for pointing the issues with bill out!! It is disgusting she is still in power when we have so many amazing progressives who actually care about the working class and poor. Biden will be no different. He is all about big business and supporting those with money. Hopefully he picks Warren or Sanders or another true progressive to keep him in check.
 
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Thu May 14, 2020 1:02 am

apodino wrote:
casinterest wrote:
apodino wrote:

Here is the flaw in your thinking. The Bill that Pelosi put out cant pass the Senate anyways. We all know that this is nothing more than a talking point bill. So why leave out progressive ideas. Assuming a bill passes the senate and the bill goes to conference, why not pass something more bold in the house thus the middle ground that gets negotiated in conference is actually closer to where the democratic base is. By not doing so, Pelosi is giving away all the leverage she has to negotiate with McConnell (Which she gave away in the first bill anyways).

And this has nothing to do with Fox news. This complaint comes straight from progressives. Go watch Krystal Ball, Cenk Unger, Kyle Kulinski, or Ana Kasparian sometime. These people are all progressives, and they all agree with my post.



It could pass the Senate though, and when the economy continues to tank, the Democrats can use it to point to the lack of integrity among the GOP controlled Senate to work on a Bill to help ALL AMERICANS.

Progressives can complain about riders all they want, but at the end of the day, All American lives are at concern, and so the "progressive priorities" are not a part of a bill that is designed very much like the one that passed in March.

The GOP has a strange detachment from reality currently, and if you go look at our headlines on this site compared to the Fox news headlines, you will realize that Covid-19 is not a pressing concern among the GOP media and elites.

Again, the problem with your statement is all the progressive priorities that were left out are ones that specifically would help Americans during this crisis. Everything that was left in benefits mainly the wealthy and corporations. This is exactly the game Pelosi plays with her caucus. She puts all this crap in that only benefits those at the top, and very little to help us and then basically pressures her caucus into voting for it or else they will be seen as not helping the average people. This is why progressives are so frustrated, and this is why this bill is bad. Why democrats are pushing a bill that gives massive tax breaks to the wealthiest residents of Blue States, and does very little to help the working class voter, I don't understand.



They didn't leave anything important out. There are direct 1200 dollar payments to every individual, that is about as progressive and conservative as you get.
The only reason it benefits the "blue states" more is because that is where Most US citizens live.
It extends aid to states that are losing tax revenue
It extends unemployment benefits.
Most of your talking points are bogus points brought up by right wing media to deflect from the fact that citizens will get their tax payments back.

The GOP may hold out a bit in hope of a big economic turnaround,, but i have a feeling within the next month, there is going to be a change of heart as case rise during the reopening, or businesses fail because consumers don't go back to old habits.
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Thu May 14, 2020 1:17 am

casinterest wrote:
apodino wrote:
casinterest wrote:


It could pass the Senate though, and when the economy continues to tank, the Democrats can use it to point to the lack of integrity among the GOP controlled Senate to work on a Bill to help ALL AMERICANS.

Progressives can complain about riders all they want, but at the end of the day, All American lives are at concern, and so the "progressive priorities" are not a part of a bill that is designed very much like the one that passed in March.

The GOP has a strange detachment from reality currently, and if you go look at our headlines on this site compared to the Fox news headlines, you will realize that Covid-19 is not a pressing concern among the GOP media and elites.

Again, the problem with your statement is all the progressive priorities that were left out are ones that specifically would help Americans during this crisis. Everything that was left in benefits mainly the wealthy and corporations. This is exactly the game Pelosi plays with her caucus. She puts all this crap in that only benefits those at the top, and very little to help us and then basically pressures her caucus into voting for it or else they will be seen as not helping the average people. This is why progressives are so frustrated, and this is why this bill is bad. Why democrats are pushing a bill that gives massive tax breaks to the wealthiest residents of Blue States, and does very little to help the working class voter, I don't understand.





They didn't leave anything important out. There are direct 1200 dollar payments to every individual, that is about as progressive and conservative as you get.
The only reason it benefits the "blue states" more is because that is where Most US citizens live.
It extends aid to states that are losing tax revenue
It extends unemployment benefits.
Most of your talking points are bogus points brought up by right wing media to deflect from the fact that citizens will get their tax payments back.

The GOP may hold out a bit in hope of a big economic turnaround,, but i have a feeling within the next month, there is going to be a change of heart as case rise during the reopening, or businesses fail because consumers don't go back to old habits.


I agree 100%. Pie in the sky will get you/us no where.
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Thu May 14, 2020 2:58 am

Just print $20,000 per person, that’s just $6.6 Trillion, what could go wrong? We’ll all be richer. Make the minimum wage $20 per hour, too.
 
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Thu May 14, 2020 3:03 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Just print $20,000 per person, that’s just $6.6 Trillion, what could go wrong? We’ll all be richer. Make the minimum wage $20 per hour, too.



I agree about the 20 per hour and I agree about the per person stipend, just 5 k would do, what the hell I bet you had no problem about the trillion plus given to the wealth corporations so they could buy back stock, or did they? Does anybody really know?
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Thu May 14, 2020 5:18 am

apodino wrote:
casinterest wrote:
It's called making a bill that can pass. Perhaps you don't understand how the legislative branch works?

This thread could be about anyone anywhere in Congress?
Why the attack?
Why the lack of fundamental US constitutional understanding from yourself?

Is this another attack launched by Fraud news from NYC?


Here is the flaw in your thinking. The Bill that Pelosi put out cant pass the Senate anyways. .


Not as it is, of course not..... you really don´t understand "negotiation" or "compromise", do you?

casinterest wrote:
It's called making a bill that can pass. Perhaps you don't understand how the legislative branch works?

This thread could be about anyone anywhere in Congress?
Why the attack?
Why the lack of fundamental US constitutional understanding from yourself?

Is this another attack launched by Fraud news from NYC?


Ah.... who doesn´t have to think about the ACA?

Republican health care plan implemented by a Democrat? Republicans hate it!
Republicans decide the individual mandate is absolutely needed, but is implemented by a Democrat? Republicans hat it!
Republicans like to make progressives cry, complain that Peloci doesn´t Sandernize the whole party.

Well, at least being crazy seems to become a more and more consistent streak.

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GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Just print $20,000 per person, that’s just $6.6 Trillion, what could go wrong? We’ll all be richer. Make the minimum wage $20 per hour, too.



I agree about the 20 per hour and I agree about the per person stipend, just 5 k would do, what the hell I bet you had no problem about the trillion plus given to the wealth corporations so they could buy back stock, or did they? Does anybody really know?


while the government could support them just as well by not propping those companies up, but just buying their stock after just letting it drop, sell them when all is said and done and stock is back up again.

6.6 trillion may be a little optimistic for that, but the government could easily make enough profit to pay out 5K to every US citizen until a vaccine is available.

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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Thu May 14, 2020 1:31 pm

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Just print $20,000 per person, that’s just $6.6 Trillion, what could go wrong? We’ll all be richer. Make the minimum wage $20 per hour, too.



Why not, we will have to print Money to get out of this Mess. The GOP had no problem giving money back during a strong economy. Why so against it now that the economy has been shook to the ground ?
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Thu May 14, 2020 5:47 pm

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When the CARES act was passed and Pelosi literally caved to Mitch McConnell on everything,


You just answered your own question. If Pelosi and AOC had worked together on a bill, it would have died in Senate committees just like all the other bills that are sitting in Senate committees and on McConnell's desk waiting for Senate votes.

We get it: you hate progressives. You hate anyone who works with progressives. You hate Pelosi. We get it. She is not the greatest but it is who we have for now. You are really going to be through the roof angry when we have at least two years of Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi passing things like higher minimum wage, stronger protections for front line workers, affordable health care, affordable education.....
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Thu May 14, 2020 5:49 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Just print $20,000 per person, that’s just $6.6 Trillion, what could go wrong? We’ll all be richer. Make the minimum wage $20 per hour, too.


Because the current administration already printed trillions of dollars to help out the poor, down on their luck after years of obscene profits corporations. There is nothing left for essential workers and health care workers. Let them eat cake. Wall Street got theirs and that is all this administration cares about.
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Thu May 14, 2020 6:17 pm

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It is well documented now that Nancy Pelosi is no friend of progressives, and is a corporate/neoliberal establishment Democrat to the core. When the CARES act was passed and Pelosi literally caved to Mitch McConnell on everything, she assured progressives that we will get them next time. So yesterday she unveils the HEROS Act, and even though Brietbart spins this bill as a liberal fantasy list, the truth is it is another middle finger to progressives, and people like Kyle Kulinski and Krystal Ball are already against the bill and now even people in the House such as Ro Khanna are raising serious questions about this bill. Here is a list of some things the bill does and doesn't do.

1. The bill provides a bailout to K Street Lobbying firms. In asking for this, K Street literally sent out a press release saying if we don't get bailed out, we cannot write your bills? How is this ok? Shouldn't it be congress that writes bills and not K Street? This is corruption at its finest. And yet no one is reporting on this save for the intercept? Why isn't the press doing their job on this and pointing this out? And how are Democratic voters ok with this?

2. The bill relies on COBRA additions to improve access to healthcare rather than Medicare/Medicaid expansions. This helps no one who loses a job and cannot get employer healthcare.

3. The bill only provides people a second one time payment of $2,000 or so, rather than a full UBI for the crisis.

4. The bill provides massive tax breaks for the Wealthiest blue state residents, and very little for the middle and working class.

5. The bill does not lift the cap on the Small Business Loan program, and that needs to happen ASAP and should have never been put in the first bill.

6. The bill does not include a paycheck guarantee.

So basically this bill provides more of what the corporate donors want, a few items sprinkled here and there to appease progressives, but in the grand scheme of things, basically tells progressives they have no seat at the table. Krystal Ball had an excellent monologue on this this morning?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ycitD768-Q

So my question is, how long are progressives going to continue to play nicey nicey with the democratic establishment before they realize that they care nothing about progressive ideas just power? Is it time for some in the progressive movement to stand up and be hated, rather than the kumbaya approach that has continued to ensure that the wealthiest get wealthier and the middle and working class continue to get screwed? You saw this work on the right with people like Ted Cruz and Jim Jordan. So far on the left, the only person who has come close to this is AOC.


1-6) She with a lot of corporate democrats and virtually all of the GOP are on the corporate take. It's unlikely but I hope she loses her primary to the guy running against her and don't get why anyone thinks she is an effective leader.

I think you watch Rising. Sagaar lit her up for this bill on Wednesday and he is the conservative.

apodino wrote:
casinterest wrote:
It's called making a bill that can pass. Perhaps you don't understand how the legislative branch works?

This thread could be about anyone anywhere in Congress?
Why the attack?
Why the lack of fundamental US constitutional understanding from yourself?

Is this another attack launched by Fraud news from NYC?


Here is the flaw in your thinking. The Bill that Pelosi put out cant pass the Senate anyways. We all know that this is nothing more than a talking point bill. So why leave out progressive ideas. Assuming a bill passes the senate and the bill goes to conference, why not pass something more bold in the house thus the middle ground that gets negotiated in conference is actually closer to where the democratic base is. By not doing so, Pelosi is giving away all the leverage she has to negotiate with McConnell (Which she gave away in the first bill anyways).

And this has nothing to do with Fox news. This complaint comes straight from progressives. Go watch Krystal Ball, Cenk Unger, Kyle Kulinski, or Ana Kasparian sometime. These people are all progressives, and they all agree with my post.


All the more reason to make it something the people like. It makes the GOP look bad but this makes the democrats look like feckless pushovers. Unless AOC calls BS and they do everything in their power

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Just print $20,000 per person, that’s just $6.6 Trillion, what could go wrong? We’ll all be richer. Make the minimum wage $20 per hour, too.


4 trillion was handed to major corporations no questions asked. A UBI costing 50% more sounds like a great deal for the economy, in fact this pandemic is going to vindicate Andrew Yang and people are going to realize that a UBI makes the most sense instead of a bunch of means tested social programs.

The US economy is largely driven by consumer spending and if the minimum wage kept up with productivity it would be $22/hour. You put money in the hands of the poorest citizens then they spend it usually at small business which are at a huge risk right now. You bail out fortune 500 companies they are going to do stock buybacks as soon any government mandated use of capital expires.

Also the US can afford to print money right now. The reality is until covid is under control the economy isn't going to be anywhere near capacity and deflation is probably more likely than rampant inflation.
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Re: Pelosi continues to screw over progressives

Thu May 14, 2020 6:26 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Just print $20,000 per person, that’s just $6.6 Trillion, what could go wrong? We’ll all be richer. Make the minimum wage $20 per hour, too.

According to Trump, money from tariffs is flowing to the coffers of the Treasury so we can clearly afford to give money out to the people who have been ripped off for far too long.
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Thu May 14, 2020 9:08 pm

seb146 wrote:
apodino wrote:
When the CARES act was passed and Pelosi literally caved to Mitch McConnell on everything,


You just answered your own question. If Pelosi and AOC had worked together on a bill, it would have died in Senate committees just like all the other bills that are sitting in Senate committees and on McConnell's desk waiting for Senate votes.

We get it: you hate progressives. You hate anyone who works with progressives. You hate Pelosi. We get it. She is not the greatest but it is who we have for now. You are really going to be through the roof angry when we have at least two years of Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi passing things like higher minimum wage, stronger protections for front line workers, affordable health care, affordable education.....

When did I say I hate progressives? Progressives actually have a lot of good ideas. Stuff like Universal health care, a fifteen dollar minimum wage, affordable education for all, campaign finance reform, etc. These are all progressive positions that I support. The reason I made my post is because Pelosi is not working with progressives, but rather taking them for granted knowing they will all fall in line like good little sheep while her corporate donors get all the benefits of the bills that she passes.

And basically what I have said is exactly why under Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi we will not get worker protection, a affordable health care, affordable eduction, etc. Their corporate donors wont allow it. Wall Street wont allow it. Biden has already said he will veto M4A. To me that is unacceptable given that 50 millions americans have lost their job, and their healthcare because of this pandemic.

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They didn't leave anything important out. There are direct 1200 dollar payments to every individual, that is about as progressive and conservative as you get.
The only reason it benefits the "blue states" more is because that is where Most US citizens live.
It extends aid to states that are losing tax revenue
It extends unemployment benefits.
Most of your talking points are bogus points brought up by right wing media to deflect from the fact that citizens will get their tax payments back.

The GOP may hold out a bit in hope of a big economic turnaround,, but i have a feeling within the next month, there is going to be a change of heart as case rise during the reopening, or businesses fail because consumers don't go back to old habits.


$1200 dollars per individual? That's it? Come on, people need much more help than that. Jerome Powell this morning said that about 40 percent of all people making less than $40,000 have already lost their jobs. A one time payment of $1200 is nothing, especially if you live in an expensive area such as the Acela corridor or the Bay Area. I perhaps was a bit harsh with the blue state mention, but the fact of the matter is the Pelosi bill gives massive tax breaks to the wealthy who don't need them, which is what Pelosi always accuses republicans of doing. The other things you mention are not bad, but you don't address the following?

1. Why is Pelosi trying to give massive tax breaks for the Wealthy?
2. Why does Pelosi want to bail out K-Street Lobbyists?
3. Why does this bill leave out the Paycheck protection language that Pramilla Jayapal has pushed for? Language that not only progressives support, but people like Josh Hawley, Marco Rubio, and Mitt Romney and these are not progressives?
4. Why a measley $1,200 one time?
5. Why is the cap on Small Business loans not being lifted?

And you are the second person this week who has made the claim that Progressive viewpoints are somehow republican talking points. HuffPost ran an article last night about how progressives are being dismissed by Pelosi in this bill.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/heroes-act-house-democrats-ignored-progressive-demand_n_5ebc5a3bc5b6ee298a889233

In fact, the guy who wrote this article reported later that Jayapal may be trying to whip opposition to this bill among progressives. If progressives actually were to defeat this bill on the house floor, it would be a huge black eye to Nancy Pelosi. However, the bill does actually have bipartisan support in the House, as Peter King (R-NY) has said he will vote for it. AOC has also said she has huge problems with this bill.

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1-6) She with a lot of corporate democrats and virtually all of the GOP are on the corporate take. It's unlikely but I hope she loses her primary to the guy running against her and don't get why anyone thinks she is an effective leader.

I think you watch Rising. Sagaar lit her up for this bill on Wednesday and he is the conservative.


I do watch Rising religiously. With all due respect, much of Saagar's opposition was on a lot of other things Pelosi stuck in this bill, such as bailouts for Marijuana dispensaries (Saagar is anti pot), as well as some of the minority provisions tucked into the bill. But Saagar was furious at the Lobbyist bailout in the bill, and actually went on Tucker and mentioned this and Tucker's reaction was priceless. Krystal Ball, who is a progressive, is the other person on this show, and she has been very outspoken about the corporatist attitude that permeates the Democratic establishment.

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4 trillion was handed to major corporations no questions asked. A UBI costing 50% more sounds like a great deal for the economy, in fact this pandemic is going to vindicate Andrew Yang and people are going to realize that a UBI makes the most sense instead of a bunch of means tested social programs.

The US economy is largely driven by consumer spending and if the minimum wage kept up with productivity it would be $22/hour. You put money in the hands of the poorest citizens then they spend it usually at small business which are at a huge risk right now. You bail out fortune 500 companies they are going to do stock buybacks as soon any government mandated use of capital expires.

Also the US can afford to print money right now. The reality is until covid is under control the economy isn't going to be anywhere near capacity and deflation is probably more likely than rampant inflation.


Star gets it. This is exactly what I as a populist have been preaching since the start of this pandemic. Yet, because of who donates to them, the fortune 500 CEOs, KStreet, and other elitists get theirs, and the rest of us get screwed. This bill that Pelosi has put out is proof of that.

Not to mention that recently, a bunch of new people have had increasing influence in the Democratic Party. These people were republicans prior to Donald Trump getting elected, and since he has taken control of the party, they have now found a home in the Democratic party. Fivethirtyeight ran a great article on this which I will post in a second. Among this group would be Joe Walsh, Joe Scarborough, Bill Krystol, the Koch's. These people are having increasing influence in the Democratic Party, and people like Pelosi and Joe Biden are listening to these people.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-never-trumpers-crashed-the-democratic-party/

Right now we have two political parties. The Republican Party led by Trump, which is a corporatist party controlled by Wall Street and special interests. And the Democratic Party which is also a corporatist party controlled by Wall Street and special interests, and now never Trump republicans as well.
 
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And as soon as the ink was dry on my last post, I find a CNN report saying that there is Moderate Democratic opposition to this bill as well.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/14/politics/democrats-uneasy-covid-aid-3-trillion/index.html
 
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Why does it matter Apodino ? This bill isn't about progressives and right wing nutjobs. It is about Americans. Bills that ALL Americans need in this crisis. Your whole thread is seen through a politcal lens fed by right wing mantras and political indoctrination. It isn't seen through getting done what needs to be done now.
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Why does it matter Apodino ? This bill isn't about progressives and right wing nutjobs. It is about Americans. Bills that ALL Americans need in this crisis. Your whole thread is seen through a politcal lens fed by right wing mantras and political indoctrination. It isn't seen through getting done what needs to be done now.

It matters because as you say Americans need the help. But this bill doesn't give the American's the help they truly need, but it gives them a little bit while it gives those corporate donors and the wealthy the majority of the benefits when they are the ones who need it the least. I can't believe you are actually defending bailing out K-Street lobbyists.

You are treating me as though my posts are coming from Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Laura Ingraham when I don't listen to any of them and in fact most of the political stuff I listen to is from a progressive point of view.
 
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seb146 wrote:
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When the CARES act was passed and Pelosi literally caved to Mitch McConnell on everything,


You just answered your own question. If Pelosi and AOC had worked together on a bill, it would have died in Senate committees just like all the other bills that are sitting in Senate committees and on McConnell's desk waiting for Senate votes.

We get it: you hate progressives. You hate anyone who works with progressives. You hate Pelosi. We get it. She is not the greatest but it is who we have for now. You are really going to be through the roof angry when we have at least two years of Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi passing things like higher minimum wage, stronger protections for front line workers, affordable health care, affordable education.....

When did I say I hate progressives?


Look at the title of your thread you started.....

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Progressives actually have a lot of good ideas. Stuff like Universal health care, a fifteen dollar minimum wage, affordable education for all, campaign finance reform, etc. These are all progressive positions that I support. The reason I made my post is because Pelosi is not working with progressives, but rather taking them for granted knowing they will all fall in line like good little sheep while her corporate donors get all the benefits of the bills that she passes.


And, again, she has to work with the "my way or the highway" MAGA cult members in Congress. She has to draft bills that these "we love 'Murica" MAGA fans will hold their noses and support. She can not just draft whatever she wants and proclaim it is law. We have a thing called The Constitution. Republicans say they love and abide by it. Like when they deny marriage licences because "my religion says I can!" and gun down children because "NRA says I can!" and "starve them brown people because my leader says I can!" and on and on.

Even Obama himself said ACA is not perfect. Pelosi and Reid and AOC and Bernie all said ACA is not perfect. They want to improve it. And there are provisions in ACA to allow that. The only thing Republicans want is to get rid of it. We are still waiting on a replacement for ACA that is cheaper for us and covers more that we were promised by dear leader in 2016. We are still waiting for a higher minimum wage. We are still waiting for affordable education. We are still waiting for campaign finance reform. We are still waiting for every vote counts for all legal Americans.

Republicans had two years in control of every facet of government and did none of that.
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1-6) She with a lot of corporate democrats and virtually all of the GOP are on the corporate take. It's unlikely but I hope she loses her primary to the guy running against her and don't get why anyone thinks she is an effective leader.


:checkmark: Pelosi is corrupt. She is doesn't care about Trump being in power because that helps her a lot with fundraising. She is more scared of progressives like AOC because they threaten her power. She is as ridiculously wealthy as she is horrendously out of touch. Noone in the press will ever hold her to account for anything because they are scared of losing access.


StarAC17 wrote:
All the more reason to make it something the people like. It makes the GOP look bad but this makes the democrats look like feckless pushovers. Unless AOC calls BS and they do everything in their power


True but IMO this is all just window dressing anyway. She didn't put any of the progressive stuff in the CARES act. But she puts a couple of token items into a bill that will never pass so that she can tell her critics "I tried but the evil republicans blocked it" or similar.



StarAC17 wrote:
4 trillion was handed to major corporations no questions asked. A UBI costing 50% more sounds like a great deal for the economy, in fact this pandemic is going to vindicate Andrew Yang and people are going to realize that a UBI makes the most sense instead of a bunch of means tested social programs.

The US economy is largely driven by consumer spending and if the minimum wage kept up with productivity it would be $22/hour. You put money in the hands of the poorest citizens then they spend it usually at small business which are at a huge risk right now. You bail out fortune 500 companies they are going to do stock buybacks as soon any government mandated use of capital expires.

Also the US can afford to print money right now. The reality is until covid is under control the economy isn't going to be anywhere near capacity and deflation is probably more likely than rampant inflation.


I'm not a supporter of a UBI as such, but in impending economic armageddon it's very hard to argue against it. Especially when the "fiscally responsible" republicans are printing more money than has ever been printed in history.

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And basically what I have said is exactly why under Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi we will not get worker protection, a affordable health care, affordable eduction, etc. Their corporate donors wont allow it. Wall Street wont allow it. Biden has already said he will veto M4A.


They're corrupt, the lot of them - but noone in the media has the balls to call them out. Has any of them in all of history ever actually stood up against a donor? Biden wrote the bankrupcy bill which allows frauds like the Orange Turd to declare bankruptcy multiple times, screwing tens of thousands of workers out of money owed, but which prevents student debt being ever discharged in bankruptcy.

Also, Schumer is the weakest communicator in the history of politics.

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To me that is unacceptable given that 50 millions americans have lost their job, and their healthcare because of this pandemic.


Hilariously stupid that healthcare coverage is still tied to employment/employer. Such a pointless albatross to be hanging around people's neck.

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Jerome Powell this morning said that about 40 percent of all people making less than $40,000 have already lost their jobs.

That's actually impressive.
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Jerome Powell this morning said that about 40 percent of all people making less than $40,000 have already lost their jobs.

That's actually impressive.


Many places are closed permanently but the Stock Market is still strong. That seems to be the only metric king MAGA looks at. And his own personal ratings. Be that as it may, Wall Street and the corporate elite understand they don't need the working class as much as they thought they did. The 1% will still have money rolling in hand over fist. If those at the bottom don't have anything, that is their fault. They should have been born into money. Isn't that the mantra?
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apodino wrote:
Jerome Powell this morning said that about 40 percent of all people making less than $40,000 have already lost their jobs.

That's actually impressive.


Many places are closed permanently but the Stock Market is still strong. That seems to be the only metric king MAGA looks at. And his own personal ratings. Be that as it may, Wall Street and the corporate elite understand they don't need the working class as much as they thought they did. The 1% will still have money rolling in hand over fist. If those at the bottom don't have anything, that is their fault. They should have been born into money. Isn't that the mantra?

This is exactly the issue progressives have with the Pelosi bill. Of course the 1 % will still have money rolling in hand over fist. They get it either through the corporate bailouts in this bill, or through the overly generous tax breaks in the bill. (I read that 95 percent of the tax breaks in the Pelosi bill go to those making over 100 grand, and 50 percent go to millionaires and billionaires.)

seb146 wrote:
apodino wrote:
seb146 wrote:

You just answered your own question. If Pelosi and AOC had worked together on a bill, it would have died in Senate committees just like all the other bills that are sitting in Senate committees and on McConnell's desk waiting for Senate votes.

We get it: you hate progressives. You hate anyone who works with progressives. You hate Pelosi. We get it. She is not the greatest but it is who we have for now. You are really going to be through the roof angry when we have at least two years of Biden, Schumer, and Pelosi passing things like higher minimum wage, stronger protections for front line workers, affordable health care, affordable education.....

When did I say I hate progressives?


Look at the title of your thread you started.....[/url]

The title of the thread I started was an indication that the Democratic Leadership in the House is basically giving the progressive base the middle finger. I am defending progressives more than I am Pelosi.

[Quote="seb146]
Even Obama himself said ACA is not perfect. Pelosi and Reid and AOC and Bernie all said ACA is not perfect. They want to improve it. And there are provisions in ACA to allow that. The only thing Republicans want is to get rid of it. We are still waiting on a replacement for ACA that is cheaper for us and covers more that we were promised by dear leader in 2016. We are still waiting for a higher minimum wage. We are still waiting for affordable education. We are still waiting for campaign finance reform. We are still waiting for every vote counts for all legal Americans.

Republicans had two years in control of every facet of government and did none of that.[/quote][/quote]


Obama had the House and the Senate and the best he could do was the ACA? About the only thing the ACA was good for is preexisting conditions. Premiums have skyrocketed, deductibles have skyrocketed, the system is still based on employers to provide it, and after this passed the insurance companies and the healthcare industry got even wealthier. The ACA is not M4A and its not a single payer, and short of that, I don't see how the ACA in its current state can be improved. The republicans are wrong on this issue because they just want people with preexisting conditions to not have coverage.

As for everything else in your paragraph. You are not going to get any of those things in a Biden administration. There is no way in hell Pelosi will bring a campaign finance bill to the house floor, especially if the Democrats get the senate. Her donors will not allow it. One of her Lieutenants, Richard Neal who is chairman of the house ways and means committee, took a bribe from the health care lobby in exchange for Neal to gut a bill to reign in medical billing costs.

https://readsludge.com/2020/05/05/neal-took-big-bucks-from-lobbyists-while-killing-a-surprise-medical-bills-fix/


As for this bill, Pelosi claims there was no money for Paycheck Protection, Student Loan Relief, or to help people with medial bills, or to expand the small business loan program. But there was money for the massive tax cuts for the wealthy, there was money to bail out K Street Lobbyists. You get the idea. In fact, this is an article from Pelosi's own hometown newspaper about progressive anger toward her.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Why-progressives-are-angry-with-Nancy-Pelosi-15268613.php
 
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Sun May 17, 2020 4:07 am

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seb146 wrote:
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That's actually impressive.


Many places are closed permanently but the Stock Market is still strong. That seems to be the only metric king MAGA looks at. And his own personal ratings. Be that as it may, Wall Street and the corporate elite understand they don't need the working class as much as they thought they did. The 1% will still have money rolling in hand over fist. If those at the bottom don't have anything, that is their fault. They should have been born into money. Isn't that the mantra?

This is exactly the issue progressives have with the Pelosi bill. Of course the 1 % will still have money rolling in hand over fist. They get it either through the corporate bailouts in this bill, or through the overly generous tax breaks in the bill. (I read that 95 percent of the tax breaks in the Pelosi bill go to those making over 100 grand, and 50 percent go to millionaires and billionaires.)


The SMALL BUSINESS bail out when to giant corporations. Bipartisan support. Republicans will say "blame Democrats because reason" and Democrats will say "blame Republicans because they had to make arbitrary and vague rules so we could get this passed with bipartisan support". Look at the reactions to this. Republicans are "meh" and Democrats are at least faking outrage.

apodino wrote:
seb146 wrote:
apodino wrote:
When did I say I hate progressives?


Look at the title of your thread you started.....


The title of the thread I started was an indication that the Democratic Leadership in the House is basically giving the progressive base the middle finger. I am defending progressives more than I am Pelosi.


Or, the progressive wing understands that we have a completely insane and out of control MAGA leader and Democrats can not get anything done if they splinter. Democrats learned that from the Republican civil war. Democrats learned that from the Republican exodus.

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apodino wrote:
Even Obama himself said ACA is not perfect. Pelosi and Reid and AOC and Bernie all said ACA is not perfect. They want to improve it. And there are provisions in ACA to allow that. The only thing Republicans want is to get rid of it. We are still waiting on a replacement for ACA that is cheaper for us and covers more that we were promised by dear leader in 2016. We are still waiting for a higher minimum wage. We are still waiting for affordable education. We are still waiting for campaign finance reform. We are still waiting for every vote counts for all legal Americans.

Republicans had two years in control of every facet of government and did none of that.


Obama had the House and the Senate and the best he could do was the ACA? About the only thing the ACA was good for is preexisting conditions. Premiums have skyrocketed, deductibles have skyrocketed, the system is still based on employers to provide it, and after this passed the insurance companies and the healthcare industry got even wealthier. The ACA is not M4A and its not a single payer, and short of that, I don't see how the ACA in its current state can be improved. The republicans are wrong on this issue because they just want people with preexisting conditions to not have coverage.


And Republicans had control of all facets of government for two years and did nothing about affordable health care except get rid of it.

Republicans managed to get ahead of ACA and tell everyone how awful it was and how we should not have it and how we should hold out for anything better. Republicans didn't present any actual alternative other than "ACA is awful" and that was their talking point. That was what Democrats had to work with. Make the public happy and make the Republican base happy. And it sucked. And it can be improved. But, for some reason, we must repeal every letter and replace it with something at some point down the line. Maybe.

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As for everything else in your paragraph. You are not going to get any of those things in a Biden administration. There is no way in hell Pelosi will bring a campaign finance bill to the house floor, especially if the Democrats get the senate. Her donors will not allow it. One of her Lieutenants, Richard Neal who is chairman of the house ways and means committee, took a bribe from the health care lobby in exchange for Neal to gut a bill to reign in medical billing costs.

https://readsludge.com/2020/05/05/neal-took-big-bucks-from-lobbyists-while-killing-a-surprise-medical-bills-fix/


As for this bill, Pelosi claims there was no money for Paycheck Protection, Student Loan Relief, or to help people with medial bills, or to expand the small business loan program. But there was money for the massive tax cuts for the wealthy, there was money to bail out K Street Lobbyists. You get the idea. In fact, this is an article from Pelosi's own hometown newspaper about progressive anger toward her.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Why-progressives-are-angry-with-Nancy-Pelosi-15268613.php


So, Pelosi is actually caring about the budget? But, wait..... I thought Democrats were simply spend, spend, spend? When did Democrats start caring about budgets and the cost of things?

Since you have a crystal ball and telling us what we can and can not expect in a Biden administration, what are the winning Powerball numbers?
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I don't want to get locked out of editing my own post. I keep seeing things that I am drawn to in Apodino's post. The only thing I can and should reply to is that Republican never met a lobbyist they didn't cave to but Democrats should avoid them? I am one of the loudest for getting money out of politics including lobbying money. But, if you are so offended by what K Street did with Democrats, be offended by what they are doing in the Senate with Republicans, too. Be offended by what they are doing in state houses across this country.

Galaxy, I am so offended by your post on it's face. I get you don't like Democrats. I respect that. I disagree but I respect it. But, dude... c'mon. That's low.
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I don't want to get locked out of editing my own post. I keep seeing things that I am drawn to in Apodino's post. The only thing I can and should reply to is that Republican never met a lobbyist they didn't cave to but Democrats should avoid them? I am one of the loudest for getting money out of politics including lobbying money. But, if you are so offended by what K Street did with Democrats, be offended by what they are doing in the Senate with Republicans, too.


Relativism is stupid though. Just because Republicans are corrupt and serve their donors before their constituents doesn't mean that Democrats should have carte blanche to do the same - with the previso that they have to be at least marginally less corrupt.
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I don't want to get locked out of editing my own post. I keep seeing things that I am drawn to in Apodino's post. The only thing I can and should reply to is that Republican never met a lobbyist they didn't cave to but Democrats should avoid them? I am one of the loudest for getting money out of politics including lobbying money. But, if you are so offended by what K Street did with Democrats, be offended by what they are doing in the Senate with Republicans, too. Be offended by what they are doing in state houses across this country.

Galaxy, I am so offended by your post on it's face. I get you don't like Democrats. I respect that. I disagree but I respect it. But, dude... c'mon. That's low.


What’s so offensive, if we’re printing money, go for it. Just be ready to reap a whirlwind.

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The problem that progressives have is that they don't understand or know how to affiliate with people, align themselves, and join forces. And if you don't know how to join forces yet in a democratic world, a democratic government, you aren't likely to get much of anything out of what you want.

I'd say I'm a halfway in between progressive and establishment Democrat. Establishment Democrats know how to align and join forces every time. Progressives need to grow up and learn to sit at the big round adult table and commiserate and act nice. No one will care if they storm off, kick their chair over, and go cowering in the corner because no one will play with them. People like Pelosi will just treat them like kids having a tantrum. Pelosi is a masterful politician.
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It is well documented now that Nancy Pelosi is no friend of progressives, and is a corporate/neoliberal establishment Democrat to the core. When the CARES act was passed and Pelosi literally caved to Mitch McConnell on everything, she assured progressives that we will get them next time. So yesterday she unveils the HEROS Act, and even though Brietbart spins this bill as a liberal fantasy list, the truth is it is another middle finger to progressives, and people like Kyle Kulinski and Krystal Ball are already against the bill and now even people in the House such as Ro Khanna are raising serious questions about this bill. Here is a list of some things the bill does and doesn't do.

1. The bill provides a bailout to K Street Lobbying firms. In asking for this, K Street literally sent out a press release saying if we don't get bailed out, we cannot write your bills? How is this ok? Shouldn't it be congress that writes bills and not K Street? This is corruption at its finest. And yet no one is reporting on this save for the intercept? Why isn't the press doing their job on this and pointing this out? And how are Democratic voters ok with this?

2. The bill relies on COBRA additions to improve access to healthcare rather than Medicare/Medicaid expansions. This helps no one who loses a job and cannot get employer healthcare.

3. The bill only provides people a second one time payment of $2,000 or so, rather than a full UBI for the crisis.

4. The bill provides massive tax breaks for the Wealthiest blue state residents, and very little for the middle and working class.

5. The bill does not lift the cap on the Small Business Loan program, and that needs to happen ASAP and should have never been put in the first bill.

6. The bill does not include a paycheck guarantee.

So basically this bill provides more of what the corporate donors want, a few items sprinkled here and there to appease progressives, but in the grand scheme of things, basically tells progressives they have no seat at the table. Krystal Ball had an excellent monologue on this this morning?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ycitD768-Q

So my question is, how long are progressives going to continue to play nicey nicey with the democratic establishment before they realize that they care nothing about progressive ideas just power? Is it time for some in the progressive movement to stand up and be hated, rather than the kumbaya approach that has continued to ensure that the wealthiest get wealthier and the middle and working class continue to get screwed? You saw this work on the right with people like Ted Cruz and Jim Jordan. So far on the left, the only person who has come close to this is AOC.


K street is who will get this country back on its feet. Not a $1000 check that barely covers 2 weeks of living for people, of $3000 for that matter. Workers have been home for two months. They’ve depleted any savings they had and their credit card limits are about out. People need to get back to work. I’m retired, I don’t need to worry about losing everything. Younger crowd, not so much. They already went through a hammering with the recession, this will be worse.
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seb146 wrote:
I don't want to get locked out of editing my own post. I keep seeing things that I am drawn to in Apodino's post. The only thing I can and should reply to is that Republican never met a lobbyist they didn't cave to but Democrats should avoid them? I am one of the loudest for getting money out of politics including lobbying money. But, if you are so offended by what K Street did with Democrats, be offended by what they are doing in the Senate with Republicans, too. Be offended by what they are doing in state houses across this country.

Galaxy, I am so offended by your post on it's face. I get you don't like Democrats. I respect that. I disagree but I respect it. But, dude... c'mon. That's low.


What’s so offensive, if we’re printing money, go for it. Just be ready to reap a whirlwind.

It’s not just Democrats I hate, I loath shiploads of Republicans, actually I hate the whole rotten political culture who think they know best and us proles should just shut up and color. They’ve forgotten, we are the sovereigns, they serve us.


Then go as hard against Republicans as you do Democrats. You post things about how bad Democrats are. They are in charge of one part of one branch of government. Bills are sitting in the Senate, controlled by Republicans. McConnell says he will not take up any bills. Right wing media even said there were no bills that came from the House. A talking point the base believed.

Republicans have been "printing money" for years and years. But, for some reason, deficits don't matter. The debt does not matter. Until Democrats are in charge. Then, they are to blame for years of Republican bad behavior.

I thought you had made an offensive comment about a Congressman's heritage.
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apodino wrote:
It is well documented now that Nancy Pelosi is no friend of progressives, and is a corporate/neoliberal establishment Democrat to the core. When the CARES act was passed and Pelosi literally caved to Mitch McConnell on everything, she assured progressives that we will get them next time. So yesterday she unveils the HEROS Act, and even though Brietbart spins this bill as a liberal fantasy list, the truth is it is another middle finger to progressives, and people like Kyle Kulinski and Krystal Ball are already against the bill and now even people in the House such as Ro Khanna are raising serious questions about this bill. Here is a list of some things the bill does and doesn't do.

1. The bill provides a bailout to K Street Lobbying firms. In asking for this, K Street literally sent out a press release saying if we don't get bailed out, we cannot write your bills? How is this ok? Shouldn't it be congress that writes bills and not K Street? This is corruption at its finest. And yet no one is reporting on this save for the intercept? Why isn't the press doing their job on this and pointing this out? And how are Democratic voters ok with this?

2. The bill relies on COBRA additions to improve access to healthcare rather than Medicare/Medicaid expansions. This helps no one who loses a job and cannot get employer healthcare.

3. The bill only provides people a second one time payment of $2,000 or so, rather than a full UBI for the crisis.

4. The bill provides massive tax breaks for the Wealthiest blue state residents, and very little for the middle and working class.

5. The bill does not lift the cap on the Small Business Loan program, and that needs to happen ASAP and should have never been put in the first bill.

6. The bill does not include a paycheck guarantee.

So basically this bill provides more of what the corporate donors want, a few items sprinkled here and there to appease progressives, but in the grand scheme of things, basically tells progressives they have no seat at the table. Krystal Ball had an excellent monologue on this this morning?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ycitD768-Q

So my question is, how long are progressives going to continue to play nicey nicey with the democratic establishment before they realize that they care nothing about progressive ideas just power? Is it time for some in the progressive movement to stand up and be hated, rather than the kumbaya approach that has continued to ensure that the wealthiest get wealthier and the middle and working class continue to get screwed? You saw this work on the right with people like Ted Cruz and Jim Jordan. So far on the left, the only person who has come close to this is AOC.


K street is who will get this country back on its feet. Not a $1000 check that barely covers 2 weeks of living for people, of $3000 for that matter. Workers have been home for two months. They’ve depleted any savings they had and their credit card limits are about out. People need to get back to work. I’m retired, I don’t need to worry about losing everything. Younger crowd, not so much. They already went through a hammering with the recession, this will be worse.


K Street does not care about us. Or you. You think your retirement is safe? Think again. K Street, because they are working for the corporations and not you, will make sure the corporations are safe. Not your retirement. Corporations have already raided pension funds

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/20 ... 618501001/
http://www.pensionrights.org/publicatio ... on-freezes

Those plans will not be available to future generations because, again, K Street works for the corporations, not the workers. They don't care about people losing everything when we never had much to begin with.
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