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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Wed May 27, 2020 3:12 am

The push by Trump to get people "back to work" and not warring masks strongly reminds me of the news articles about his hotels and resorts being hit hard
by the shutdown. The longer people are ar playing it smart the more his businesses are being hit. How many tens of thousands f employees do you think Trump has laid off so far.

And is there anyone here who actually believes that Trump "really' cares about your health - especially over his cash and profit?

It's the Dumb Trumpers at the pool who will help create the next surge in new cases and deaths. And if they get the diagnosis they will look around for someone else to blame.


Question - Where is the surge from a month ago when the national media was saying masses will die in JAX when they opened their beaches?

Where is the surge in the state of Florida that pretty much has the largest at risk demographic even though its been opened now for 3 weeks?

Where is the massive surge in Georgia? 1 month ago everyone was saying literally tens of thousands would die.

Where is the massive surge and overrun hospitals in Texas, South Carolina and Wisconsin?

Let me clue you in - This is just a contagious virus that is not that deadly from a CFR perspective. A certain demographic gets sick when they have prolonged exposure - for example a policy by idiot democrat governors in PA, NY and NJ sending positive patients right back to the nursing homes is far more devastating than a bunch of young people hanging outside in a pool.

I get that it doesnt fit your narrative and you want to hide in your basement until November but Im sure you can manage somehow.
 
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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Wed May 27, 2020 3:33 pm

LOT767301ER wrote:
The push by Trump to get people "back to work" and not warring masks strongly reminds me of the news articles about his hotels and resorts being hit hard
by the shutdown. The longer people are ar playing it smart the more his businesses are being hit. How many tens of thousands f employees do you think Trump has laid off so far.

And is there anyone here who actually believes that Trump "really' cares about your health - especially over his cash and profit?

It's the Dumb Trumpers at the pool who will help create the next surge in new cases and deaths. And if they get the diagnosis they will look around for someone else to blame.


Question - Where is the surge from a month ago when the national media was saying masses will die in JAX when they opened their beaches?

Where is the surge in the state of Florida that pretty much has the largest at risk demographic even though its been opened now for 3 weeks?

Where is the massive surge in Georgia? 1 month ago everyone was saying literally tens of thousands would die.

Where is the massive surge and overrun hospitals in Texas, South Carolina and Wisconsin?

Let me clue you in - This is just a contagious virus that is not that deadly from a CFR perspective. A certain demographic gets sick when they have prolonged exposure - for example a policy by idiot democrat governors in PA, NY and NJ sending positive patients right back to the nursing homes is far more devastating than a bunch of young people hanging outside in a pool.

I get that it doesnt fit your narrative and you want to hide in your basement until November but Im sure you can manage somehow.


Exactly..And if you notice you have Democratic Governors imposing strict stay at home orders like Gov Gretchen Whitmer for example who won't let people even go to their vacation homes in other parts of the state but yet her husband thinks he is above the law and can bypass the law and bully a marina owner into letting him put his personal boat in the water. The people in this country are tired of all the misinformation on this virus and in the way every state in this country is on a different page. Lockdowns are lost at this point most people who were compliant in the beginning are tired of the goalposts being moved and people like myself who are at risk will continue to stay isolated but the ones that are not just simply have had enough of it our economy has been damaged bad but maybe can somewhat salvage some of it but too many stupid rules mostly in Democratic strongholds can go into Walmart and Lowes but not a small business . Can go to the beach but can't go in the water or can't put a chair on the beach. Enough already!!
 
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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Wed May 27, 2020 3:36 pm

stratosphere wrote:
LOT767301ER wrote:
The push by Trump to get people "back to work" and not warring masks strongly reminds me of the news articles about his hotels and resorts being hit hard
by the shutdown. The longer people are ar playing it smart the more his businesses are being hit. How many tens of thousands f employees do you think Trump has laid off so far.

And is there anyone here who actually believes that Trump "really' cares about your health - especially over his cash and profit?

It's the Dumb Trumpers at the pool who will help create the next surge in new cases and deaths. And if they get the diagnosis they will look around for someone else to blame.


Question - Where is the surge from a month ago when the national media was saying masses will die in JAX when they opened their beaches?

Where is the surge in the state of Florida that pretty much has the largest at risk demographic even though its been opened now for 3 weeks?

Where is the massive surge in Georgia? 1 month ago everyone was saying literally tens of thousands would die.

Where is the massive surge and overrun hospitals in Texas, South Carolina and Wisconsin?

Let me clue you in - This is just a contagious virus that is not that deadly from a CFR perspective. A certain demographic gets sick when they have prolonged exposure - for example a policy by idiot democrat governors in PA, NY and NJ sending positive patients right back to the nursing homes is far more devastating than a bunch of young people hanging outside in a pool.

I get that it doesnt fit your narrative and you want to hide in your basement until November but Im sure you can manage somehow.


Exactly..And if you notice you have Democratic Governors imposing strict stay at home orders like Gov Gretchen Whitmer for example who won't let people even go to their vacation homes in other parts of the state but yet her husband thinks he is above the law and can bypass the law and bully a marina owner into letting him put his personal boat in the water. The people in this country are tired of all the misinformation on this virus and in the way every state in this country is on a different page. Lockdowns are lost at this point most people who were compliant in the beginning are tired of the goalposts being moved and people like myself who are at risk will continue to stay isolated but the ones that are not just simply have had enough of it our economy has been damaged bad but maybe can somewhat salvage some of it but too many stupid rules mostly in Democratic strongholds can go into Walmart and Lowes but not a small business . Can go to the beach but can't go in the water or can't put a chair on the beach. Enough already!!


Maaaan that was a whole lot of partisan run-on sentences. Who, pray tell, are 'the people in this country'? Most polls show pretty good gubernatorial approval on this issue, far better than that of DC, which is probably unfair given the challenge of managing response in a nation of this size.
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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Wed May 27, 2020 5:03 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
People need to shelter in place, only go out for essential goods and when they do they need to wear a mask. When one needs to recreate it needs to be done within a ten mile radius as to not spread the virus to other communities.


Rut Roh sounds serious indeed. A governor in every bedroom is a socialist dream.
Hope I am not ticketed for having an unauthorized orgasm. :roll:
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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Wed May 27, 2020 6:44 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
bgm wrote:
NIKV69 wrote:
The same thing happened in Daytona Beach.

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local ... s-bridges/

With the weather breaking this will just become widespread. People can't stay in their houses forever. No matter how much you try to scare them with newscasts of doom and gloom and people wearing masks.


Almost 100,000 dead in the space of a couple of months, with the death toll sure to climb much higher. How exactly would you put a positive spin on that?

Wearing masks reduce the spread of the virus. Not wearing masks does not.

Not wearing a mask is selfish and irresponsible.

continental004 wrote:
The virus may be around forever, we need to LIVE again. Keep the old, weak and sick at home and May the rest of us keep on living.


Except for the pesky fact that ~ 100,000 people are now not living. They are very much dead.


It seems many do not understand the simple fact that regardless of what measures we take, unless we have a vaccine, effective treatments, or immunity, the same people will die regardless. All “flattening” the curve does is spread out those deaths over a longer period of time, so those with a chance to survive make it to the hospital. That’s all that can be done.

Just as the Spanish Flu killed 500K in the US, this will likely do the same. People have to learn to accept that. Soon there will be a lot more than 100K dead. It’s no doubt sad - but it’s not like the deaths will suddenly end until there is a real solution to this - not just staying at home (human nature, unfortunately)

You’re welcome to stay at home for the next indefinite number of months (IF we even get a vaccine). Many will learn to live with this responsibly wearing masks, keeping distance, etc. I may not be stupid enough to go to pool parties and bars, but some will. That’s just life...


That was what we agreed to in March to flatten the curve, ensure the hospitals are not overrun and those who have a chance at living will not die unnecessarily, hasn't happened.

Much of the public outrage towards governments and parties like this are a combination of being idiots, being stir crazy and also realizing that a lot of governments moved or are moving the goalposts. Some even say that if you went to one of these parties or a family gathering that you should be denied healthcare. Now I don't think mass gatherings should happen this year, fans at sports, concerts, festivals etc. Seems like a reasonable sacrifice but let us see our friends and families with reasonable gatherings. Inconsistent messaging on lockdowns have caused 50% of Canadians to believe our governments are hiding something.

https://winnipegsun.com/news/national/i ... eab108f973

Many medical experts disagree on the course of action going forward. 4 infections disease experts in Toronto believe that the healthcare capacity should guide the actions of the governments.
Also what is frustrating is that people are largely holding up their end of the bargains and what the governments to figure out contact tracing and testing. Our provincial government is saying now it you want a test you can get a test.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/opinio ... -lockdowns
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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Thu May 28, 2020 5:10 pm

I'm done as well. Beaches, Parks and restaurants are packed in Florida. Threads like this are more fear mongering by the left. If you are afraid crawl back into your hole. Otherwise protect the weak and the old who are the ones succumbing to this. Any reason why the media never shows the age breakdown of the people who have died?
 
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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Thu May 28, 2020 5:22 pm

I think what frustrates people the most, as was hinted by a few here, is the moving of goal posts. The lockdown was intended to flatten the curve and save lives and keep hospitals below thresholds to achieve that. But it was understood that was at the expense of millions losing their jobs. Well, we see now that (at least in many places outside of the new York metro area) hospitals are furloughing staff, even in ERs. So that means we must have been immensely successful right? Then why are we insisting upon further lockdown? Ease us back in. But even here in Kansas our Governor laid out a plan. We were supposed to be on Phase 2 by now based on the metrics she laid out, yet we're on "phase 1.75" And after the legislature pressured her and passed legislation limiting her powers she vetoed the bill and changed the reopening plan to make it more relaxed. So clearly this has become political. Even our governor understands that she has to reopen or face electoral scrutiny.

This has been a massive failure of governance from the local level all the way to the national, and even global (when you consider UN/WHO responses) level.
 
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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Thu May 28, 2020 8:22 pm

windy95 wrote:
I'm done as well. Beaches, Parks and restaurants are packed in Florida. Threads like this are more fear mongering by the left. If you are afraid crawl back into your hole. Otherwise protect the weak and the old who are the ones succumbing to this. Any reason why the media never shows the age breakdown of the people who have died?


"Fear mongering by the left?"

100,000 are dead because of this, in just a few months.
:sarcastic:

trpmb6 wrote:
This has been a massive failure of governance from the local level all the way to the national, and even global (when you consider UN/WHO responses) level.


On a national level, definitely. Trump squandered precious time by inaction which cost lives. On the local level, it's been mixed. I guess time will tell.
Really? Four more years of this?
 
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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Sat May 30, 2020 12:17 am

bgm wrote:
windy95 wrote:
I'm done as well. Beaches, Parks and restaurants are packed in Florida. Threads like this are more fear mongering by the left. If you are afraid crawl back into your hole. Otherwise protect the weak and the old who are the ones succumbing to this. Any reason why the media never shows the age breakdown of the people who have died?


"Fear mongering by the left?"

100,000 are dead because of this, in just a few months.
:sarcastic:

trpmb6 wrote:
This has been a massive failure of governance from the local level all the way to the national, and even global (when you consider UN/WHO responses) level.


On a national level, definitely. Trump squandered precious time by inaction which cost lives. On the local level, it's been mixed. I guess time will tell.


Oh please people called his travel ban to China racist. No one believes that BS partisan talking point.
 
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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Sat May 30, 2020 2:49 am

bgm wrote:
windy95 wrote:
I'm done as well. Beaches, Parks and restaurants are packed in Florida. Threads like this are more fear mongering by the left. If you are afraid crawl back into your hole. Otherwise protect the weak and the old who are the ones succumbing to this. Any reason why the media never shows the age breakdown of the people who have died?


"Fear mongering by the left?"

100,000 are dead because of this, in just a few months.
:sarcastic:

trpmb6 wrote:
This has been a massive failure of governance from the local level all the way to the national, and even global (when you consider UN/WHO responses) level.


On a national level, definitely. Trump squandered precious time by inaction which cost lives. On the local level, it's been mixed. I guess time will tell.


Over the Week 40-Week 17 of 2017-2018, very nearly same number of Americans died to all causes as in that period 2019-2020. No one blinked an eye then, why is this different. Same time frame, same death tolls, same President even. (1,727,xxx vs. 1,733,xxx)
 
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Re: Crowded Pool Party in the Ozarks

Sat May 30, 2020 4:23 am

LOT767301ER wrote:
Question - Where is the surge from a month ago when the national media was saying masses will die in JAX when they opened their beaches?

Where is the surge in the state of Florida that pretty much has the largest at risk demographic even though its been opened now for 3 weeks?

Where is the massive surge in Georgia? 1 month ago everyone was saying literally tens of thousands would die.

It's hard to get an accurate picture when the state decides to mess with the numbers. If you cover your eyes and it's dark, of course you can say "there's nothing here because I don't see anything".

LOT767301ER wrote:
Where is the massive surge and overrun hospitals in Texas, South Carolina and Wisconsin?

Of these, only SC has been able to plateau their trend; WI and TX cases are still trending upward. Give it time. You saw how it went for NY and NJ. And all three of those states still haven't expanded Medicaid so it should be quite the interesting story for people if they need to go to the hospital.
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