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Re: Another day another police killing

Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:51 pm

City mayors trying to deal with overzealous police:

Louisville mayor fires police chief after it emerged police involved in the fatal shooting of David McAtee had turned off body cams
https://eu.courier-journal.com/story/ne ... 311703002/
Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer announced Monday he fired police Chief Steve Conrad, effective immediately, after he learned that the officers present at the fatal police shooting of David McAtee did not have body cameras turned on.

"This type of institutional failure will not be tolerated," Fischer said.


In NY, mayor De Blasio decides some police behaviour is unacceptable after initially defending them.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/bill-de-b ... protesters
Mayor Bill de Blasio on Monday denounced several incidents caught on video of New York City police violently interacting with protesters over the weekend, stating the “absolutely unacceptable” events are under investigation. “There is no situation where a police vehicle should drive into a crowd,” he said, referring to the video taken Saturday night in Brooklyn that shows an NYPD SUV driving into a crowd of protesters. “It is dangerous. It is unacceptable.”
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On Monday, de Blasio also mentions another video that showed an officer drawing his gun and pointing it at protesters on Sunday. Other videos show an officer pushing a woman to the ground and an officer opening a police car door and hitting protesters. He said that all the incidents are under “immediate” investigation. “That officer should have his gun and badge taken away from him today,” he said of the cop who pointed his gun at protesters. “There will be an investigation immediately to determine larger consequences. Discipline must be meted out in any situation it is merited.”


Meanwhile, Trump pours more patrol on the fire in a conference call with state governors.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/president ... protesters
President Trump lashed out at state governors Monday, stating that those who do not mass arrest protesters and jail them “for long periods of time” will look like “a bunch of jerks.” “You have to dominate,” Trump is reported to have said on a private conference call with governors. “If you don’t dominate, you’re wasting your time—they’re going to run over you, you’re going to look like a bunch of jerks.”
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Re: Another day another police killing

Mon Jun 01, 2020 9:52 pm

Independent autopsy finds George Floyd died of asphyxia. Former NYC medical examiner is conducting examination.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/independe ... ssion=true
 
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Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:12 pm

NIKV69 wrote:
We don't have a police state. The MSM will always latch on to one bad cop to smear all of law enforcement they have been doing it forever.


I don't know how you can claim that and expect to be taken seriously, if the evidence is so readily out there.

Look at it, don't close your eyes, it may be tough to watch, but newsflash, your childhood heroes aren't as great as you may think they are.

After 5 minutes of these videos I've already lost count of how many bad cops there are, it's somewhere in the hundreds.
Hundreds of people who, to use the rhetoric of another poster in this thread (NOT my words), should be "fair game for having their asses gassed, kicked and arrested" for brutalizing people exercising their 1st Amendment rights.


And these are only the ones caught on camera and only the ones actively committing violence.
The other thousands that just stand by and let it happen (letting them "smear all of law enforcement", as you put it) are just as bad.
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Re: Another day another police killing

Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:14 pm

Well at least one president of the US is trying to channel the energy into something positive. Too bad it isn't the currently serving one.

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Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:23 pm

The Supreme Court Has a Chance To End Qualified Immunity and Prevent Cases Like George Floyd's
The Supreme Court could announce as early as Monday that it's revisiting qualified immunity, a doctrine that shields rotten cops from civil rights lawsuits.

https://reason.com/2020/05/29/the-supre ... ge-floyds/
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Re: Another day another police killing

Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:34 pm

Lilienthal wrote:
Independent autopsy finds George Floyd died of asphyxia. Former NYC medical examiner is conducting examination.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/independe ... ssion=true


BBC now reporting that official post-mortem report say George Floyd death was homicide.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52886593
The death of George Floyd, an African-American man who died in police custody, has been declared a homicide following an official post-mortem.

He suffered a cardiac arrest while being restrained by Minneapolis police officers on 25 May, the report found.

It listed Mr Floyd's cause of death as "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression".
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Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:55 pm

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Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:13 pm

It’s obvious now that 45 and those who are apologists for him have no interest in healing and no interest in the country’s future. All that matters is hypocritical ‘tough guy’ antics and nonsense. Calling for draconian crackdown is not ‘tough’ - it’s the easy way. This is a large country and real leadership requires doing hard things, even counterintuitive things, to break through barriers on issues. That’s what a real man does, anyway. He puts his head down and does the hard work that needs to be done.

This sums things up pretty incisively:

https://twitter.com/armyjew/status/1267 ... 93792?s=21

And here Gov. Baker of MA takes a strong swipe at today’s earlier WH call, saying ‘when the country needed compassion, it was nowhere to be found’.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1 ... 75042?s=21
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Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:26 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
It’s obvious now that 45 and those who are apologists for him have no interest in healing and no interest in the country’s future. All that matters is hypocritical ‘tough guy’ antics and nonsense. Calling for draconian crackdown is not ‘tough’ - it’s the easy way. This is a large country and real leadership requires doing hard things, even counterintuitive things, to break through barriers on issues. That’s what a real man does, anyway. He puts his head down and does the hard work that needs to be done.

This sums things up pretty incisively:

https://twitter.com/armyjew/status/1267 ... 93792?s=21

And here Gov. Baker of MA takes a strong swipe at today’s earlier WH call, saying ‘when the country needed compassion, it was nowhere to be found’.

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1 ... 75042?s=21


Yep, just watch his speech. Between him and Sen. Tom Cotton, they are just uber hypocrite when they literally suggest that a military state to solve all problems is the way to go.

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Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:02 am

Trump got to look all Presidential walking from the White House to the Church to get a photo op with a Bible.
In order to make that walk possible, the DC police, national guard, and secret service Gassed, and flash banged a group of peaceful protesters.


let that sink in for a bit.

Trump wanted a picture of his biblical self at a church, while allowing peaceful people of all colors to be gassed and shoved out of the way to make it possible.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sa ... ers-police
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pnmW-ANY3c
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics ... index.html
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:11 am

casinterest wrote:
Trump got to look all Presidential walking from the White House to the Church to get a photo op with a Bible.
In order to make that walk possible, the DC police, national guard, and secret service Gassed, and flash banged a group of peaceful protesters.


let that sink in for a bit.

Trump wanted a picture of his biblical self at a church, while allowing peaceful people of all colors to be gassed and shoved out of the way to make it possible.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sa ... ers-police
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pnmW-ANY3c
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics ... index.html


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“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others...When you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.”

DC Episcopal church says they were not informed of the visit and they reject POTUS actions and messaging in this crisis.

https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/stat ... 19680?s=21

https://twitter.com/mboorstein/status/1 ... 36096?s=21

Also an Aussie morning show’s TV crew was knocked over live after cops gassed the crowd nearby. Looking great overseas too :sarcastic:

https://twitter.com/sunriseon7/status/1 ... 27393?s=21
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:47 am

PPVRA wrote:
The Supreme Court Has a Chance To End Qualified Immunity and Prevent Cases Like George Floyd's
The Supreme Court could announce as early as Monday that it's revisiting qualified immunity, a doctrine that shields rotten cops from civil rights lawsuits.

https://reason.com/2020/05/29/the-supre ... ge-floyds/


Need to end absolute immunity and stop crooked prosecutors going free, but since the left loves crooked prosecutors and this week will be big in exposing them, fast chance of that happening.
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:21 am

I am for peaceful protests, more scrutinized police hiring, all of that.

But I will absolutely not support any form of violence.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:29 am

Aaron747 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Trump got to look all Presidential walking from the White House to the Church to get a photo op with a Bible.
In order to make that walk possible, the DC police, national guard, and secret service Gassed, and flash banged a group of peaceful protesters.


let that sink in for a bit.

Trump wanted a picture of his biblical self at a church, while allowing peaceful people of all colors to be gassed and shoved out of the way to make it possible.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sa ... ers-police
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pnmW-ANY3c
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics ... index.html


Matthew 6:5-6

“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others...When you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen.”

DC Episcopal church says they were not informed of the visit and they reject POTUS actions and messaging in this crisis.

https://twitter.com/meridithmcgraw/stat ... 19680?s=21

https://twitter.com/mboorstein/status/1 ... 36096?s=21

Also an Aussie morning show’s TV crew was knocked over live after cops gassed the crowd nearby. Looking great overseas too :sarcastic:

https://twitter.com/sunriseon7/status/1 ... 27393?s=21



https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... -church-by

“I don’t want President Trump speaking for St. John’s,” Budde told The Washington Post after Trump's visit. "I am outraged."

“I am the bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington and was not given even a courtesy call that they would be clearing with tear gas so they could use one of our churches as a prop, holding a Bible, one that declares that God is love and when everything he has said and done is to enflame violence."



It definitely highlights everything that is wrong about Trump.
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:35 am

Bravo to the Houston Police chief, demonstrating excellent leadership just like ATL's chief and mayor. If there was a leader of the country calling for calm and unity, such comments would never be necessary.

“Let me just say this to the President of the United States, on behalf of the police chiefs of this country: please, if you don’t have something constructive to say, keep your mouth shut.”

https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/12 ... 62528?s=20
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:56 am

President Trump is abusing his powers with his 'law and order' threats, including use of the military to police the streets to protect property, to cover up his obscene failure as to the Covid-19 pandemic. He must resign, those around him invoke the 25th Amendment or face another Impeachment. Trump must be out of office ASAP, we cannot wait until November, we need out before more die in the streets at the hands of police or national guard or from Covid-19 due to his ignoring dealing with it.
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:59 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Bravo to the Houston Police chief, demonstrating excellent leadership just like ATL's chief and mayor. If there was a leader of the country calling for calm and unity, such comments would never be necessary.

“Let me just say this to the President of the United States, on behalf of the police chiefs of this country: please, if you don’t have something constructive to say, keep your mouth shut.”

https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/12 ... 62528?s=20


Chief Acevado is no saint himself (HPD itself has its problem), but I still agree with him - let the people that know best, i.e. local police chief, mayor, county sheriffs/officials, or at max the governor, continue to do what they are doing instead of having a wannabe leader sitting in a bunker thinking he knows everything.

BTW, Chief Acevado also offered escort for George Floyd family when his body arrive back in Houston (where he is from). Lip service or not, at least that's better than the nothing but divisive rhetorics coming from the orange troll.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:18 am

zakuivcustom wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Bravo to the Houston Police chief, demonstrating excellent leadership just like ATL's chief and mayor. If there was a leader of the country calling for calm and unity, such comments would never be necessary.

“Let me just say this to the President of the United States, on behalf of the police chiefs of this country: please, if you don’t have something constructive to say, keep your mouth shut.”

https://twitter.com/camanpour/status/12 ... 62528?s=20


Chief Acevado is no saint himself (HPD itself has its problem), but I still agree with him - let the people that know best, i.e. local police chief, mayor, county sheriffs/officials, or at max the governor, continue to do what they are doing instead of having a wannabe leader sitting in a bunker thinking he knows everything.

BTW, Chief Acevado also offered escort for George Floyd family when his body arrive back in Houston (where he is from). Lip service or not, at least that's better than the nothing but divisive rhetorics coming from the orange troll.


Houston PD is not perfect, no, but those recent incidents of note are under federal investigation.
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:33 am

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Also an Aussie morning show’s TV crew was knocked over live after cops gassed the crowd nearby. Looking great overseas too :sarcastic:

https://twitter.com/sunriseon7/status/1 ... 27393?s=21


From another angle....

https://twitter.com/benyc/status/1267587033783992322

https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14329

The opposition leader has asked our Ambassador in Washington to step in to protest the treatment of Australian journalists in the US, and the Media union here has sent a letter of protest to the US Ambassador about the treatment of Journalists.

A crew from another Aussie Network was arrested at gunpoint & held for a short period in Minnesota, and were later teargassed when covering a protest....

https://www.9news.com.au/national/usa-r ... 2d4a04cb39

https://www.9news.com.au/world/george-f ... f3POCbw6uw

Needless to say, the protests are getting heavy airtime here, also from what I've seen, all the Aussie network crews have security with them which they have pointed out on occasion.
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:39 am

ltbewr wrote:
President Trump is abusing his powers with his 'law and order' threats, including use of the military to police the streets to protect property, to cover up his obscene failure as to the Covid-19 pandemic. He must resign, those around him invoke the 25th Amendment or face another Impeachment. Trump must be out of office ASAP, we cannot wait until November, we need out before more die in the streets at the hands of police or national guard or from Covid-19 due to his ignoring dealing with it.


Well, at least someone admits what this is, a well timed political theatre.
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:52 am

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Yep, just watch his speech. Between him and Sen. Tom Cotton, they are just uber hypocrite when they literally suggest that a military state to solve all problems is the way to go.



They didn't suggest that. You made that up. He is using the military to stop what is happening in NYC right now. Macy's being looted. Great job Diblasio that 11pm curfew worked well.
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 2:59 am

Pyrex wrote:
PPVRA wrote:
The Supreme Court Has a Chance To End Qualified Immunity and Prevent Cases Like George Floyd's
The Supreme Court could announce as early as Monday that it's revisiting qualified immunity, a doctrine that shields rotten cops from civil rights lawsuits.

https://reason.com/2020/05/29/the-supre ... ge-floyds/


Need to end absolute immunity and stop crooked prosecutors going free, but since the left loves crooked prosecutors and this week will be big in exposing them, fast chance of that happening.

In what version of what universe does this DOJ lift a finger to prosecute rotten cops? Rotten cops are a feature, not a bug.

casinterest wrote:
Trump got to look all Presidential walking from the White House to the Church to get a photo op with a Bible.
In order to make that walk possible, the DC police, national guard, and secret service Gassed, and flash banged a group of peaceful protesters.


let that sink in for a bit.

Trump wanted a picture of his biblical self at a church, while allowing peaceful people of all colors to be gassed and shoved out of the way to make it possible.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/sa ... ers-police
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pnmW-ANY3c
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/01/politics ... index.html

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Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:04 am

What is really tragic and sad in all this is that the cities burn while suburbia just moves along. The places where alleged injustice is happening is the very place being subjugated to violence now.

Who has done more damage to African Americans in the last week? Cops? Or those looting and setting fire to local establishments which are largely minority owned and operated?

Is what happened to George Floyd tragic? Absolutely. Is what is happening more tragic? Absolutely. Both can be true at the same time.

Honestly, this thread is really embarrassing.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 3:06 am

NIKV69 wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
Yep, just watch his speech. Between him and Sen. Tom Cotton, they are just uber hypocrite when they literally suggest that a military state to solve all problems is the way to go.



They didn't suggest that. You made that up. He is using the military to stop what is happening in NYC right now. Macy's being looted. Great job Diblasio that 11pm curfew worked well.


You made that up as well - the military has to be requested by states in the 1807 Insurrection Act. Gov. Cuomo stated this evening that he would not deploy the NY guard because he felt NYPD was sufficient.

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Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:07 am

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What is really tragic and sad in all this is that the cities burn while suburbia just moves along. The places where alleged injustice is happening is the very place being subjugated to violence now.

Who has done more damage to African Americans in the last week? Cops? Or those looting and setting fire to local establishments which are largely minority owned and operated?

Is what happened to George Floyd tragic? Absolutely. Is what is happening more tragic? Absolutely. Both can be true at the same time.

Honestly, this thread is really embarrassing.

You have to ask this? It's not "whites" they are mad at, they want the "bad cops" stopped, they want fair and safe and equal treatment by law enforcement.

Yes there is anger and resentment towards "whites" about not acknowledging the existence of long term privilege, but let's start with just fair treatment by police.

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Are the Military forces obliged to listen to whatever 'Dangerous Orders' that Trump is suggesting that he would do if the protests doesn't stop?
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:43 am

trpmb6 wrote:
What is really tragic and sad in all this is that the cities burn while suburbia just moves along. The places where alleged injustice is happening is the very place being subjugated to violence now.

Who has done more damage to African Americans in the last week? Cops? Or those looting and setting fire to local establishments which are largely minority owned and operated?

Is what happened to George Floyd tragic? Absolutely. Is what is happening more tragic? Absolutely. Both can be true at the same time.

Honestly, this thread is really embarrassing.


You missed the point. This is clearly about more than just George Floyd. That was figuratively the straw that broke the camel's back. We're talking literal centuries of systemic racism. And nothing done about it. This is coupled with what has gone down with COVID (which disproportionately affects poor minorities) and a non-existent economic future for many (take a guess who is worst affected by that). It's just a massive failure by the US government and the chickens are finally coming home to roost. How is this surprising? People are tired and angry and it's enough. Every time something like this catches national attention and people protest there are ALWAYS people quick to denounce movements by claiming there's violence and *Antifa*. Give me a break. Too many people want parades and not protests. Too many people only learned about MLK and Rosa Parks in school and not the thousands of people who were prominent parts of the Civil Rights movement...

And just to be crystal clear I'm not advocating or condoning violence or looting. At all. I'm saying, however, to look at the bigger picture. Why are people this angry? You can send in military to take people off the streets but then what? We go back to "normal"? And no, burnt buildings are not more tragic than murder by cop. That's exactly the line of thinking that got us to where we are right now.

Also to make this clear, I'm aware that there are many rioting who don't care about protesting and are there to create chaos. But this idea that the majority of people taking to the streets are "Antifa domestic terrorists" is BS. And it allows people to write off the topic at hand which is systemic racism, which surprisingly many don't have a problem admitting exists but almost immediately will say "Oh, but this isn't the way to solve it, blah blah blah," and then move on.

I also want to say for what it's worth, clearly there's impact. You have large corporations in the US taking a stance and sending millions towards anti-racist organizations. Even Nickelodeon (!) ceased programming today with messaging about this topic.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 8:56 am

It's also interesting that people look at this as "damage to African Americans." That implies excluding yourself and this whole movement is about the fact that it can't just keep being black people that are mad as hell about continued systemic racism. As Americans, as humans we should all be disgusted and appalled and moved to do something and be better.

It's really extremely sad it's come to this but again are people surprised? You can't not do anything of substance about racism, marginalization, targeting, predatory policing, etc. (and for some people encourage it!) time and time again and expect people to not one day say that its enough.

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Spare me. Minneapolis has a black mayor. Black police chief. Diverse police department. We just had two terms of a black president. This isn't the 1960s anymore. A lot of the rioting is being done by terrorist antifa outsiders who care less about racism than they do about pursuing their anarchocommunist dream.


LOL. People really think that because we had Obama or whichever other prominent African American that racism isn't really that bad. This idea of "at least x % better than the 1960s" is frankly garbage. It's 2020. And yes as others have pointed out...the mayor of Minneapolis is very much not black.
 
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 9:33 am

Looks like there is now an international incident. Australian PM Morrison has asked the embassy in Washington to investigate the attack on the 7 Network news crew & report back to him on how Australia should register it's 'strong concerns' with authorities in Washington

https://www.theage.com.au/politics/fede ... 54yr6.html
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Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:12 am

NYCVIE wrote:
Also to make this clear, I'm aware that there are many rioting who don't care about protesting and are there to create chaos. But this idea that the majority of people taking to the streets are "Antifa domestic terrorists" is BS. And it allows people to write off the topic at hand which is systemic racism, which surprisingly many don't have a problem admitting exists but almost immediately will say "Oh, but this isn't the way to solve it, blah blah blah," and then move on.


Most aren't antifa. They just want something for nothing. Opportunists. Taking what isn't their masked as moral outrage. Beating people senseless? No excuse, no justification.
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:19 am

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NYCVIE wrote:
Also to make this clear, I'm aware that there are many rioting who don't care about protesting and are there to create chaos. But this idea that the majority of people taking to the streets are "Antifa domestic terrorists" is BS. And it allows people to write off the topic at hand which is systemic racism, which surprisingly many don't have a problem admitting exists but almost immediately will say "Oh, but this isn't the way to solve it, blah blah blah," and then move on.


Most aren't antifa. They just want something for nothing. Opportunists. Taking what isn't their masked as moral outrage. Beating people senseless? No excuse, no justification.


Ok, so what are your thoughts of the systemic discrimination of blacks in the US? What would be your solution to the issue? Stopping looters doesn’t solve the source of the problem.

Please enlighten us!
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 10:36 am

That chip is pretty heavy, isn't it. This country elected a black president twice, black people hold public office all over the place, most athletes are black. There are various programs that weed out the discrimination.

So, what do you want? Reparations, what? All I see are people using a tragedy to loot and be crappy human beings.
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:08 am

extender wrote:
That chip is pretty heavy, isn't it. This country elected a black president twice, black people hold public office all over the place, most athletes are black. There are various programs that weed out the discrimination.

So, what do you want? Reparations, what? All I see are people using a tragedy to loot and be crappy human beings.


Equal treatment under law, as printed in every school book and taught to every American kid. Not asking a whole lot. No class or neighborhood privilege in official or criminal proceedings. Accountability for failures to deliver above.

This is the attitude I’m talking about that shows total disinterest in experiences of fellow Americans and a stable society going forward - just ‘us vs them’. ‘They’ have 10% of political posts and 50% of pro athlete slots so everything’s peaches and cream forever. That’s kak, as the Dutch say.
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:13 am

extender wrote:
All I see are people using a tragedy to loot and be crappy human beings.


And there lies the crux of the problem.

You don't see the bigger issue. Or maybe, you don't want to see the bigger issue. Because you enjoy your white privilege and want to keep it that way?

How about as a society, removing the systemic racism that exists throughout all levels of life that put black people at an inherent disadvantage from day 1?
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:15 am

lugie wrote:
sierrakilo44 wrote:
And this Statement from US Senator Tom Cotton on what those infantry will be doing:

And, if necessary, the 10th Mountain, 82nd Airborne, 1st Cav, 3rd Infantry—whatever it takes to restore order. No quarter for insurrectionists, anarchists, rioters, and looters.


"No quarter" is a battlefield term meaning surrendering soldiers will not be taken prisoner...."

https://twitter.com/TomCottonAR/status/ ... 68800?s=20


Well what we have here is a sitting US Senator calling for extrajudicial killings against US citizens on US soil.

He should be forced to resign immediately and put in front of a tribunal for war crimes.
I heard The Hague is a neat city, but if not, Leavenworth will do.


But for some reason all those "constitution-loving" conservatives extoll those proposals just like they seemed perfectly fine with peaceful protests being squashed all over the US, not least yesterday, when hundreds of civilians and (international) press members got tear gassed just so Trump could get his photo op of holding a bible (upside-down).
Blatant violation of constitutional rights, but they see no issue with it, presumably all in the name of "owning the libs" and shutting those pesky black people up.

Possibly the one good side effect of this is that finally, many on the right show their true colors. This isn't about "Law & Order", this is about outright 21st century fascism, about achieving a police state in which murderous, savage cops get to do as they please as long as the subjects of their violence are black people, people of color and those goddamn big city liberals.

I don't like saying this, as I have friends all over the US, lived there for a year and enjoyed my time there to the fullest, but right now it looks like the country is either headed for full-out civil conflict (once leftists and people of color start to use their second Amendment rights against the tyrannical police) or full-on authoritarianism, if the protests are violently suppressed, their peaceful leaders abducted and the press silenced.


The only ones who want armed conflict are the black bloc anarchocommunists and a few other fringe radicals. Once the military starts putting them in prison for a decade or so at a time this will stop. The people protesting for George Floyd don't want those terrorists around either because they take the focus off of the message. And the police here aren't tyrannical and are generally well-liked and respected.
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:25 am

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This country elected a black president twice, black people hold public office all over the place, most athletes are black. There are various programs that weed out the discrimination.


Electing Black President was just a checked off bucket list item. Nothing more. Still waiting on a Woman President, LGBTQ President and so on.

extender wrote:
All I see are people using a tragedy to loot and be crappy human beings.


I am sure you don't have an issue with time and again Mayors,PCs, State AGs, DAs,ADAs and Cops continue to support bad apples using some excuse loophole.

Former Mayor of Baltimore explains it very clearly, there is no way to punish bad cops in this country, the bar is set too high. All four will walk free after a show trail.

Is it too much to ask to weed out bad apples?

Chaven's wife filed for divorce and I hope she takes all the money and kids.
https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2020/05/ ... r-divorce/

I am sure someone will turn this on me saying I am being disingenuous and exaggerating.
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:37 am

extender wrote:
That chip is pretty heavy, isn't it. This country elected a black president twice, black people hold public office all over the place, most athletes are black. There are various programs that weed out the discrimination.

So, what do you want? Reparations, what? All I see are people using a tragedy to loot and be crappy human beings.



What you see is another black US citizen killed by the police yet again. What you see is anger and rage that has been brewing for centuries because nothing has been changed. What you see are some people that obviously take it way too far. And what you see are agent provocateurs from the far left, the far right and from god knows who, who try to rile people up.

The tragedy is, if people would remain calm and peaceful as a lot of commentators demand, the issue would have been swept under the rug already and nothing would change... as always.

And what do a black President, black athletes and whatever have to do with systemic racism and violence in US police departments? And what do you mean with reparations? The fact is, racism, unequal treatment and violence still exists and that has to be changed.

The most messed-up thing about all this is that It's matter of discussion. How can this possibly be up for debate? Why isn't every American firmly for meaningful change which prevents unjustified deadly police violence against people of color??
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:43 am

Lilienthal wrote:
extender wrote:
That chip is pretty heavy, isn't it. This country elected a black president twice, black people hold public office all over the place, most athletes are black. There are various programs that weed out the discrimination.

So, what do you want? Reparations, what? All I see are people using a tragedy to loot and be crappy human beings.



What you see is another black US citizen killed by the police yet again. What you see is anger and rage that has been brewing for centuries because nothing has been changed. What you see are some people that obviously take it way too far. And what you see are agent provocateurs from the far left, the far right and from god knows who, who try to rile people up.

The tragedy is, if people would remain calm and peaceful as a lot of commentators demand, the issue would have been swept under the rug already and nothing would change... as always.

And what do a black President, black athletes and whatever have to do with systemic racism and violence in US police departments? And what do you mean with reparations? The fact is, racism, unequal treatment and violence still exists and that has to be changed.

The most messed-up thing about all this is that It's matter of discussion. How can this possibly be up for debate? Why isn't every American firmly for meaningful change which prevents unjustified deadly police violence against people of color??


Nothing has changed for centuries? You serious???

Essentially every American was horrified by the Floyd murder. Police departments and even the President condemned it. Most Americans also recognize that the vast majority of police officers are good people who are truly committed to protecting and serving all people.

The unanimous goodwill that we had last week was squandered by professional rioters and by looters who are exploiting the movement for their own nefarious goals.
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:48 am

bgm wrote:
extender wrote:
All I see are people using a tragedy to loot and be crappy human beings.


And there lies the crux of the problem.

You don't see the bigger issue. Or maybe, you don't want to see the bigger issue. Because you enjoy your white privilege and want to keep it that way?

How about as a society, removing the systemic racism that exists throughout all levels of life that put black people at an inherent disadvantage from day 1?


I am Cuban, and not exactly white. Tell me all about how my white privilege is supposed to work.

Racism exists everywhere, no matter how hard people try to minimize. Stop using it as an excuse and life will get better for it. But don't tell me stealing a TV from Target or beating some old couple with 2X4s because they are trying to protect their business eases the pain of George Floyd's death. They are being opportunists, and using the same crappy argument you are to justify their actions. Thank you while I enjoy my Hispanic privilege.
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 11:53 am

Lilienthal wrote:
What you see is another black US citizen killed by the police yet again. What you see is anger and rage that has been brewing for centuries because nothing has been changed. What you see are some people that obviously take it way too far. And what you see are agent provocateurs from the far left, the far right and from god knows who, who try to rile people up.


What you are demonstrating is that hate and rage is passed down generations, in other words, learned behavior. If we use your logic, this will never get better. But in the US, you have it a hell of a lot better than anywhere else. Try standing in line to bet a bag of rice, having to use phone books as toilet paper. Not being able to fish in certain places because that is for tourists. A medical system that sends its best doctors out of the country so they can be used like whores.
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:01 pm

LOT767301ER wrote:
4 cops shot in STL
2 cops shot in LAS
1 cop shot in Bay Area and PD vehicle rammed
SUV goes flying into cops in Buffalo.


I'm not defending it, but I think it's understandable when you keep pushing people, eventually they'll push back. Were you equally outraged about the police shooting peaceful protestors in the face with rubber and wooden baton rounds? Or ramming people with their cars? Or thowing women to the ground when they're already on their knees with their hands aloft?

extender wrote:
All I see are people using a tragedy to loot and be crappy human beings.


The first three words are part of the problem.

N583JB wrote:
Essentially every American was horrified by the Floyd murder. Police departments and even the President condemned it.


Just the same over and over, rinse and repeat. Just the same with every mass shooting. And just like all those mass shootings, all that happens is "thoughts and prayers". Nothing changes.
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:15 pm

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Nothing has changed for centuries? You serious???




Unjustified killings of black men by the US police are still a regular occurrence. Maybe it's less then in the sixties, so that's change I guess, but if we want to put a morally justified measure on it, then it would and should be zero.

And why is your alleged "unanimous goodwill squandered" when we all can agree that the violence we see is driven by "professional rioters and by looters who are exploiting the movement for their own nefarious goals". How does that change your opinion on the matter of racist police brutality?

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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:23 pm

Don't forget, the United States of America was built on a violent protest, the Boston Tea Party. A lot of similarities with the protesters today.

Sons of Liberty were protesting in Boston over their injustice, after having suffered deaths at the hands of the controlling authority, the British soldiers. They trespassed onto a ship, "looted" the goods and destroyed them. They were labelled as drunken misfits and traitors.

Black Lives Matter are protesting all over the country over their injustice, after having suffered many death at the hands of white police. Some trespassed and looted and destroyed stores. They were labelled as violent thugs and traitors (Kaepernick)
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:24 pm

extender wrote:

What you are demonstrating is that hate and rage is passed down generations, in other words, learned behavior. If we use your logic, this will never get better. But in the US, you have it a hell of a lot better than anywhere else. Try standing in line to bet a bag of rice, having to use phone books as toilet paper. Not being able to fish in certain places because that is for tourists. A medical system that sends its best doctors out of the country so they can be used like whores.



Of course it can get better. Of course you can instigate change.


And you continue to post irrelevant comparisons. I'm sorry that life was hard in Cuba but how does that justify not acting against injustice in the US?
(I hope you realize how sad it sounds that you experienced hardship yourself, but now you are denying change for others because they apparently haven't had it as hard as you.)
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:28 pm

Not denying anything to anyone. Peaceful protest is fine, looting and hurting people because of their skin color is just as wrong as what they are protesting for in the first place.
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:28 pm

extender wrote:
bgm wrote:
extender wrote:
All I see are people using a tragedy to loot and be crappy human beings.


And there lies the crux of the problem.

You don't see the bigger issue. Or maybe, you don't want to see the bigger issue. Because you enjoy your white privilege and want to keep it that way?

How about as a society, removing the systemic racism that exists throughout all levels of life that put black people at an inherent disadvantage from day 1?


I am Cuban, and not exactly white. Tell me all about how my white privilege is supposed to work.

Racism exists everywhere, no matter how hard people try to minimize. Stop using it as an excuse and life will get better for it. But don't tell me stealing a TV from Target or beating some old couple with 2X4s because they are trying to protect their business eases the pain of George Floyd's death. They are being opportunists, and using the same crappy argument you are to justify their actions. Thank you while I enjoy my Hispanic privilege.


So you have no problem with 1-3 officers kneeling down on a human for 7 minutes for a $20 counterfeit bill but have problem with people stealing with large TVs.

Don't worry, CCTV footage and serial numbers will be used to bring swift justice to those looters. And full force will be used while arresting each one of those looters.
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:38 pm

Of course I have a problem with him, and his three cohorts for not stopping him
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 12:50 pm

These riots are despicable and cannot be justified. The cops that murdered George Floyd should spend significant time in jail.

...but this incident is just the straw that broke the camel's back. The much deeper problem is that large swaths of America have no confidence in the political, judicial, or law enforcement apparatus in this country. Minorities have been complaining about excessive force and what they perceive as a duplicitous justice system for decades. Similar crimes have very different sentencing outcomes. Similar protests have very different law enforcement responses. Similar in-person confrontations have very different levels of force.

I don't even think it's quite a Republican vs. Democratic thing. This is about how the "process" works differently for different people, and how outcomes seem to vary so much. Bernie Madoff bilks billions of people out of their fortunes and gets sent to Club Fed but some guy just died over petty forgery. Armed men walk around the Michigan capitol, but people (of all colors, mind you) get murdered on the streets "because they reached for the waistband".

A generation of Americans, myself included, are growing up with innate distrust of police, law, and the order-keeping system. I'm a decently educated, middle class, guy with just a few traffic tickets. As a kid we were taught to ask cops for help if we get lost in a mall. But nowadays the way things are going I don't think I will pass that message to my kids. Every interaction with the police and Legal-land is is risk. And it's usually not worth one taking.
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:04 pm

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A generation of Americans, myself included, are growing up with innate distrust of police, law, and the order-keeping system. I'm a decently educated, middle class, guy with just a few traffic tickets. As a kid we were taught to ask cops for help if we get lost in a mall. But nowadays the way things are going I don't think I will pass that message to my kids. Every interaction with the police and Legal-land is is risk. And it's usually not worth one taking.


I have LEOs that are family and friends, so I will pass along the lesson to my kids. What has happened is a lack of respect for authority. BLM, they all do, where is the outrage of all the shootings in Chicago? Or is it OK for only black people to shoot black people? That's acceptable? I don't want to see the next generation of kids these thugs breed, passing down all that hate.
 
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Re: Another day another police killing

Tue Jun 02, 2020 1:13 pm

extender wrote:
N867DA wrote:
A generation of Americans, myself included, are growing up with innate distrust of police, law, and the order-keeping system. I'm a decently educated, middle class, guy with just a few traffic tickets. As a kid we were taught to ask cops for help if we get lost in a mall. But nowadays the way things are going I don't think I will pass that message to my kids. Every interaction with the police and Legal-land is is risk. And it's usually not worth one taking.


I have LEOs that are family and friends, so I will pass along the lesson to my kids. What has happened is a lack of respect for authority. BLM, they all do, where is the outrage of all the shootings in Chicago? Or is it OK for only black people to shoot black people? That's acceptable? I don't want to see the next generation of kids these thugs breed, passing down all that hate.



The police are there to serve the people, and unfortunately I know LEO's as well that are racist as hell. Most are good people, but others are flat out racist and it is not a good mix. Your words sound less like a concerned citizen, and more like those Leo's that are racist.
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