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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 11:02 am

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Why does anyone use Twitter? What is the purpose?

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Ok, that is a valid reason. I never thought business used Twitter. I guess I'm such an extreme cynic, that I wouldn't really care what anyone or any company says on Twitter. Words are cheap, key strokes are even cheaper. I guess I would make a bad "repeat" customer hahaha.


It's a great tool for registering complaints or disagreements with companies. It's there in public, anyone can see it and it can't just "get lost" inside a faceless corporation.
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 11:09 am

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He’s not demanding that he right to lie. He’s just clarifying that if social media platforms rely on the exemption of Section 230 they shouldn’t edit users content as Twitter did. This makes sense as Twitters actions undermine the whole rationale of that exemption. Not surprisingly they happened under authority of a staunch Trump hater: https://mobile.twitter.com/LevineJonath ... 8215124995

They did not edit anything he wrote. They added a disclaimer.

A disclaimer that altered the whole purport of the original message that is.

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A normal user would have already been banned for all the conspiracies, vile, racist, misogynistic, and dishonorable lies that Donald Trump posts. It is well within a PRIVATE companies purview to facilitate understanding for the end users when such leeway is given to a public figure

No doubt about that. But if a private company wants to facilitate understanding for end users of other peoples content by altering the purport of said content they shouldn’t rely on the exemption of Section 230, then they should take responsibility for the content they relay themselves.


The end user is a public figure, and since they are making an exemption as a private company to a public user, then they have the right to highlight the contents as they see fit that violate their terms of service. Especially when hate messages, lies, misogyny, conspiracies, and racism are being propagated by that public figure.
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 11:50 am

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Why does anyone use Twitter? What is the purpose?

Famous or wealthy people can just have their own websites to post announcements, or hire someone to do it. And the rest of us have nothing of any interest to post ( in my case, neither do rich people or celebrities). So why.


Twitter allows a more personal connection to leaders, businesses, and interest groups. Psychologically, the distance feels less than visiting someone's website for announcements (and websites don't always load or work reliably on mobile devices if poorly-designed, whereas social media apps are designed around them). Also it acts as a personal interest aggregator, which many users find appealing if their time is limited and they can't spend an hour or two paging through Flipboard on the daily. For those of us in businesses that require continual engagement with repeat customers, it's an excellent marketing tool as well.


Ok, that is a valid reason. I never thought business used Twitter. I guess I'm such an extreme cynic, that I wouldn't really care what anyone or any company says on Twitter. Words are cheap, key strokes are even cheaper. I guess I would make a bad "repeat" customer hahaha.


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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 12:18 pm

The full text of the executive order is here (too long to post it in full).

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... ensorship/

But upon first reading, it would seem Trump doesn't understand the purpose of the First Amendment or its application. If he really wants freedom of speech, why doesn't the government set up a similar system where all the wackos can spout their lies and hatred to their heart's content?
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 12:40 pm

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Twitter has 'flagged' President Trump's latest Friday, early AM tweet of 'if the looting starts, the shooting starts', as encouraging violence.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... spartandhp
Guess another round of hate of Trump vs. Twitter company.


They didn't just flag it, they actually hid it! Trump will be beside himself with rage.

I'm not a huge Twitter user, but I understand this means you cannot see the tweet unless you select to specifically view it. I believe it means the tweet cannot be liked or retweeted (that will really hurt the fragile ego), but can be 'forwarded' as long as a comment is added.



He is raging.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 5833824257

Political targeting and crying like a Fascist.
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 1:14 pm

A discussion of tweets versus web site/op ed writers. Some of my favorite academics have switched over to tweets. I prefer the longer op-ed sorts of essays. There is more disciplined thinking in a prepared essay, writer has to cover the bases to a much larger degree than in a tweet. I suspect those who switched decided they did not have the time to write the op-ed.
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Fri May 29, 2020 1:27 pm

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A discussion of tweets versus web site/op ed writers. Some of my favorite academics have switched over to tweets. I prefer the longer op-ed sorts of essays. There is more disciplined thinking in a prepared essay, writer has to cover the bases to a much larger degree than in a tweet. I suspect those who switched decided they did not have the time to write the op-ed.



Tweets have no space to have backing logic, and as such allow for very poor , short formed opinions. They lack context and clarity.

"Giants win 3-0 "is a tweet.

We know the Giants won, but was it a perfect game, a no hitter, or an error filled game ?
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 1:51 pm

Well you have twitter stories where you need to read 10 or 15 tweets in a row to get the full text. Or blocky images full of text.
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 1:58 pm

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Well you have twitter stories where you need to read 10 or 15 tweets in a row to get the full text. Or blocky images full of text.


Yes you do.

Especially this one, where they explain where Trump got his quote from this morning's violence tweet.

https://twitter.com/toddzwillich/status ... 2208282624
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 2:02 pm

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At some point in time this issue has to be settled by Supreme Court or through legislation. I guess the time is now.


There is already legislation, the very legislation that kept Trumps twitter account online. Each and every company would rather ban Trump, and avoid the problem wholesale with it, than risking that legislation to go away.

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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 2:28 pm

Question is whether a small group of humans can decide "What is a fact". Answer is No.

Every SM platform has millions of bots. If they are so great, take care of the bots first and question humans later.

US social media giants lost their credibility during 2016 elections. Greed for $100/ad made Trump president. We can continue to blame Russia or any foreign country for meddling elections, but our own tech companies are the root cause.
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 2:35 pm

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Question is whether a small group of humans can decide "What is a fact". Answer is No.

Every SM platform has millions of bots. If they are so great, take care of the bots first and question humans later.

US social media giants lost their credibility during 2016 elections. Greed for $100/ad made Trump president. We can continue to blame Russia or any foreign country for meddling elections, but our own tech companies are the root cause.



This is misleading.
moderators ban accounts and bots all the time on Twitter. Remember Eastwood , the Russian purge and others ?

Trump gets a pass because he is a Public Official. His account and other public accounts need to be scrutinized under a heavy lens for the amount of BS they traffic in.
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 2:43 pm

I find it funny that Trump is attacking the broken, exploitable and insanely popular websites that basically allowed him to be elected in the first place. I tend to agree with the thought that these sites could be a threat to democracy but, I use the current POTUS as the example of why they are a threat not that they are unfairly treating him but that they have elevated him and allowed him to reach a station he had no business even coming close to. These sites have taken for years a lax approach to moderation that allowed trolls, bots and foreign influence to greatly influence both cultural events but elections and political policy making. During this time the Zuckerbergs and Dorseys of the world have been hesitant to curb the abuse of their platforms, and why would they as long as they are making money hand over fist whilst facing no consequence for the damage created by inaction? I will give Twitter some credit, as they seem to be attempting to do more than others to curb the abuse of their platform, although late there is hope we can keep some of the horses in the barn yet.
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 3:08 pm

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I find it funny that Trump is attacking the broken, exploitable and insanely popular websites that basically allowed him to be elected in the first place.


It is a delicious irony that's way too subtle for Trump to spot. None of his handlers have the balls to tell him that he's just shot himself in both feet.
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 3:16 pm

Again, the nuance, both legal and practical, is lost on many.

By "verifying" or fact-checking Trump (but not others), Twitter becomes a publisher. Not a forum, not a social media platform, but a publisher. By taking on the mantle of verifying what people say, instead of simply having an open venue, they legally become a different entity.

Just as with YouTube, for whom there is documentation of their arbitrarily throttling and demonitizing certain political viewpoints, Twitter is now opening themselves up for regulation as a content creator.
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 3:20 pm

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Again, the nuance, both legal and practical, is lost on many.

By "verifying" or fact-checking Trump (but not others), Twitter becomes a publisher. Not a forum, not a social media platform, but a publisher. By taking on the mantle of verifying what people say, instead of simply having an open venue, they legally become a different entity.

Just as with YouTube, for whom there is documentation of their arbitrarily throttling and demonitizing certain political viewpoints, Twitter is now opening themselves up for regulation as a content creator.


So you are promoting the regulation of a private business and their ability to restrict and highlight objectionable content.?

What Trump is setting up is being banned from the platform.
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Fri May 29, 2020 3:27 pm

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Again, the nuance, both legal and practical, is lost on many.

By "verifying" or fact-checking Trump (but not others), Twitter becomes a publisher. Not a forum, not a social media platform, but a publisher. By taking on the mantle of verifying what people say, instead of simply having an open venue, they legally become a different entity.


Apparently it's too subtle a nuance. :wink2:

Twitter neither verified nor fact-checked Trump's tweet. They flagged one tweet to let people know that they might want to check the "facts" presented. They hid another Tweet that was deemed to glorify violence, especially given the racist connotations of the exact phrase Trump chose to use.

Twitter was fully justified in doing so, just as moderators at this site can and do delete and edit posts. If it had been you or I that posted those tweets, we'd have had our accounts suspended.

Do you honestly believe Trump is the only Twitter user to have posts flagged or hidden?
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 3:28 pm

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I find it funny that Trump is attacking the broken, exploitable and insanely popular websites that basically allowed him to be elected in the first place.


It is a delicious irony that's way too subtle for Trump to spot. None of his handlers have the balls to tell him that he's just shot himself in both feet.[/quot
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 3:29 pm

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Again, the nuance, both legal and practical, is lost on many.

By "verifying" or fact-checking Trump (but not others), Twitter becomes a publisher. Not a forum, not a social media platform, but a publisher. By taking on the mantle of verifying what people say, instead of simply having an open venue, they legally become a different entity.

Just as with YouTube, for whom there is documentation of their arbitrarily throttling and demonitizing certain political viewpoints, Twitter is now opening themselves up for regulation as a content creator.


That’s just theater dude. The point is can they comment on content they host or not? Yes, unequivocally, whenever and to what extent they please. Okay, now that they have, that’s published content. What happens if someone doesn’t like what’s said and takes them to court? The 1st Amendment. Rep. Amash gets it right again here:

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/ ... 81026?s=21

The fact is that Twitter doesn’t create much of its own content. If Donald Trump wants to sue over fact checks that Twitter creates, he’s welcome to do so. Section 230 doesn’t prohibit it. But he will lose nonetheless because of the First Amendment.
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 3:34 pm

Trump is being skewered over his executive order, and is tweeting out his next , not so brilliant thought.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 3996870656?


So Trump has taken 24 hours to attack the 1st Amendment, Stoke Racism, incite violence. I wonder what else today will bring.
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Fri May 29, 2020 3:48 pm

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Again, the nuance, both legal and practical, is lost on many.

By "verifying" or fact-checking Trump (but not others), Twitter becomes a publisher. Not a forum, not a social media platform, but a publisher. By taking on the mantle of verifying what people say, instead of simply having an open venue, they legally become a different entity.

Just as with YouTube, for whom there is documentation of their arbitrarily throttling and demonitizing certain political viewpoints, Twitter is now opening themselves up for regulation as a content creator.

And the even better thing is it means that even more so that online posts, tweets, submissions etc. like Trumps will be voided and blocked from ever seeing the light of day!

It is actually a great thing as that means less anti-vaxxers crap online, less far-wing extremist crap online, less blatant attack posts online, less online bullying. A lot of more real and factual and properly vetted information online and not the Russian/NK/China/extremist/whoever driven stuff that the online world has been infested with for so long.

Trump may finally give what so many have been asking for, a stop to the misinformation (that he himself posts). That would be great. And the online world is mature and established enough that it will be fine. And funnily the companies that will thrive the most, that will be able to garner the resources and facilitate the changes, are the very ones he is raging against (along with his fellow TDS sufferers).

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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Fri May 29, 2020 4:13 pm

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One of the conflicts of our 1st Amendment is allowing freedom of speech even if offensive with a few exceptions (like porn involving minors is illegal but on other than free speech grounds).

That's actually a pro of free speech. The fact that you can speak your mind in anyway you can. The main issue from free speech is that it doesn't mean reaction-free speech.

I'm in my complete right to say a slur of any kind. The government can't fine me or send me to jail because of that.


That's just not true.

You should try these:
- Shout insults and threats against the president in front of the white house
- Scream that you have a bomb in a plane
- Insult a cop in the street

Then you'll understand what "free speech" is not. All freedoms have limits, and it's something many people in the states don't seem to understand (typical for the weapons).


- The first is on a grey area, I get not threatening the president but making fun and insulting him is perfectly fine, all presidents before this Orange Snowflake took insults and jokes about them with good humour . Bush laughed off someone throwing shoes at him. That happens to Trump he will want them killed.
- The second is like fire in crowded theater, which is a valid restrcition
- I should be able to call a cop what I want to with out retaliation as long as I am not committing a crime (if there is a legal statue for this I will retract this statement). They work for society and as a taxpayer we all pay for them. They are meant to serve society and should put petty insults aside and serve the community. I would be expected to do the same if some yahoo came into my face and insulted me. If I kicked the crap out of him then I would be the one in trouble.

Regarding Twitter they are a private business and can screen whatever they want to and if they want to retain that right then need to do it consistently. As of right now you are using their platform and are expected to follow their rules. Not a first amendment violation.

Same applies to employers firing people who do dumb things that hurt their image, not a first amendment issue. Although I would like to see something like this go to the supreme court to get a precedent also because sometimes these firings are ridiculous. The Central Park firing is different than the teacher getting fired for having a good time in Cancun and that ends up on Instagram.
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Fri May 29, 2020 4:21 pm

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they either agree, or are afraid of those that do.

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Also, remember that they are already insisting that November 2020 elections are fake and rigged and that November 2020 elections are thrown. Now. In May 2020. The November 2020 elections are fake and must be disputed and rejected.


They can reject the result all they want. Standing Supreme Court precedence is that a result on Jan 20th is more relevant than figuring out the correct result.

If they do more than that complaining about it, Law Enforcement shuts them down rather quick..

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The courts are already stacked in his favor. This worries me. Yes, there is precedence. That does not mean the current right wing activist judges will legislate from the bench that way. They have proven time and again they will simply rule in favor of the Republican administration, laws and precedence be damned.
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The courts are already stacked in his favor. This worries me. Yes, there is precedence. That does not mean the current right wing activist judges will legislate from the bench that way. They have proven time and again they will simply rule in favor of the Republican administration, laws and precedence be damned.


True, but his complaint is that tech companies are liberal leaning, so stacked against him. And there is the ad revenue angle which is further meddling with the balance. If tech companies behave in s balanced way, there no need to get right leaning SCOTUS involved.

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Sat May 30, 2020 8:13 am

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The courts are already stacked in his favor. This worries me. Yes, there is precedence. That does not mean the current right wing activist judges will legislate from the bench that way. They have proven time and again they will simply rule in favor of the Republican administration, laws and precedence be damned.


True, but his complaint is that tech companies are liberal leaning, so stacked against him. .


But it isn't, evident by the fact that Trump even has an account.

seb146 wrote:
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Also, remember that they are already insisting that November 2020 elections are fake and rigged and that November 2020 elections are thrown. Now. In May 2020. The November 2020 elections are fake and must be disputed and rejected.


They can reject the result all they want. Standing Supreme Court precedence is that a result on Jan 20th is more relevant than figuring out the correct result.

If they do more than that complaining about it, Law Enforcement shuts them down rather quick..

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The courts are already stacked in his favor. This worries me. Yes, there is precedence. That does not mean the current right wing activist judges will legislate from the bench that way. They have proven time and again they will simply rule in favor of the Republican administration, laws and precedence be damned.


Sure fire way to give a perfect justification to add 2-4 supreme court judges.

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Sat May 30, 2020 2:21 pm

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The courts are already stacked in his favor. This worries me. Yes, there is precedence. That does not mean the current right wing activist judges will legislate from the bench that way. They have proven time and again they will simply rule in favor of the Republican administration, laws and precedence be damned.


True, but his complaint is that tech companies are liberal leaning, so stacked against him. And there is the ad revenue angle which is further meddling with the balance. If tech companies behave in s balanced way, there no need to get right leaning SCOTUS involved.

I want to keep all my prejudices intact but question others.


His complaint is that Twitter wants to fact check him. He wants to say whatever he wants with zero consequences.
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Sat May 30, 2020 8:51 pm

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dtw2hyd wrote:
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The courts are already stacked in his favor. This worries me. Yes, there is precedence. That does not mean the current right wing activist judges will legislate from the bench that way. They have proven time and again they will simply rule in favor of the Republican administration, laws and precedence be damned.


True, but his complaint is that tech companies are liberal leaning, so stacked against him. And there is the ad revenue angle which is further meddling with the balance. If tech companies behave in s balanced way, there no need to get right leaning SCOTUS involved.

I want to keep all my prejudices intact but question others.


His complaint is that Twitter wants to fact check him. He wants to say whatever he wants with zero consequences.


Do Dorsey and Zuckerberg patented "fact"? They will spread any lie for $100, just like they did in 2016 and HRC lost.

There is an interview with an insider on YouTube how one political party uses social media. It is in Hindi(Indian language) but has sub-titles. He claims they have total control on Facebook through fake accounts. Very enlightening.
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Sat May 30, 2020 10:06 pm

The problem Trump has is that he is a minority, he is an extremist as are his adherents, and they are an extremist sect and the majority are against them. That will be proven in the coming election when basically wallpaper beats him. So social media is not stacked against him, it is that the majority are.

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The problem Trump has is that he is a minority, he is an extremist as are his adherents, and they are an extremist sect and the majority are against them. That will be proven in the coming election when basically wallpaper beats him. So social media is not stacked against him, it is that the majority are.

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Too many people think what he says is gospel truth. Too many people are offended and genuinely angry when he is fact checked. Even when shown the actual proof that he is lying, too many people are angry over him being fact checked. Including him.
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Sun May 31, 2020 3:39 pm

seb146 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
seb146 wrote:

Also, remember that they are already insisting that November 2020 elections are fake and rigged and that November 2020 elections are thrown. Now. In May 2020. The November 2020 elections are fake and must be disputed and rejected.


They can reject the result all they want. Standing Supreme Court precedence is that a result on Jan 20th is more relevant than figuring out the correct result.

If they do more than that complaining about it, Law Enforcement shuts them down rather quick..

best regards
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The courts are already stacked in his favor. This worries me. Yes, there is precedence. That does not mean the current right wing activist judges will legislate from the bench that way. They have proven time and again they will simply rule in favor of the Republican administration, laws and precedence be damned.


Roberts, doesn't appear to be a sellout.
 
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seb146 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

They can reject the result all they want. Standing Supreme Court precedence is that a result on Jan 20th is more relevant than figuring out the correct result.

If they do more than that complaining about it, Law Enforcement shuts them down rather quick..

best regards
Thomas


The courts are already stacked in his favor. This worries me. Yes, there is precedence. That does not mean the current right wing activist judges will legislate from the bench that way. They have proven time and again they will simply rule in favor of the Republican administration, laws and precedence be damned.


Roberts, doesn't appear to be a sellout.


I hope not. I know he is not as far right as Kavanaugh or Thomas. I know he sided with the "liberal" justices in the past and also went after Kavanaugh on a recent ruling.
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The problem Trump has is that he is a minority, he is an extremist as are his adherents, and they are an extremist sect and the majority are against them. That will be proven in the coming election when basically wallpaper beats him. So social media is not stacked against him, it is that the majority are.

Tugg


Too many people think what he says is gospel truth. Too many people are offended and genuinely angry when he is fact checked. Even when shown the actual proof that he is lying, too many people are angry over him being fact checked. Including him.

Trump is the "Duck Test" lord from Monty Python's Holy Grail... and his TDS adherents are like the villagers...

What do you do with witches? Burn them! And what do you burn apart from witches? Wood! So, why do witches burn? 'cos they're made of wood? So; how do we tell if she is made of wood? Build a bridge out of 'er! Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone? Oh yeah. Does wood sink in water? No, it floats! It floats! Throw her into the pond! What also floats in water? Bread! Apples! Very small rocks? Cider! Gra-Gravy! Cherries! Mud! Churches? Churches! Lead, Lead. A Duck! Exactly. So, logically... If she weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood... and therefore... a witch!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDlaJ4Y8UXY

Very wise, very reasoned... the facts there are unquestionable! :spin: (I'd love to see a take on FoxNews coverage of a Trump Duck Test :biggrin: )

Sorry but I am not able to take the man seriously anymore, sadly however (terribly) as president he is causing significant harm to the nation.

Tugg
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:01 am

seb146 wrote:
DLFREEBIRD wrote:
seb146 wrote:

The courts are already stacked in his favor. This worries me. Yes, there is precedence. That does not mean the current right wing activist judges will legislate from the bench that way. They have proven time and again they will simply rule in favor of the Republican administration, laws and precedence be damned.


Roberts, doesn't appear to be a sellout.


I hope not. I know he is not as far right as Kavanaugh or Thomas. I know he sided with the "liberal" justices in the past and also went after Kavanaugh on a recent ruling.


It's the guy presiding of the probably first show trial in the USA. Does not seem very interested in doing his job.

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Thomas
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Mon Jun 01, 2020 10:07 am

I'm old enough to remember when "conservatives" were against gov't meddling in the affairs of a business.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masterpiece_Cakeshop_v._Colorado_Civil_Rights_Commission

Twitter is a business with its own unique TOS. You do not have a "right" to a Twitter account. This is not a 1st Amendment issue, period.
Just as a restaurant has the right to deny service for "no shirt, no shoes, no service", Twitter has the right to set TOS and enforce them as it sees fit.
It also has the right to de-platform anyone, or otherwise limit the content they post onto *their* servers.
 
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Re: Trump to sign executive order against social media

Mon Jun 01, 2020 11:16 am

slider wrote:
Again, the nuance, both legal and practical, is lost on many.

By "verifying" or fact-checking Trump (but not others), Twitter becomes a publisher. Not a forum, not a social media platform, but a publisher. By taking on the mantle of verifying what people say, instead of simply having an open venue, they legally become a different entity.

Just as with YouTube, for whom there is documentation of their arbitrarily throttling and demonitizing certain political viewpoints, Twitter is now opening themselves up for regulation as a content creator.


An actual lawyer breaks down what is going on from a legal standpoint including explaining the relevant precedents that led to the drafting of Section 230 in 1996: Trump Threatens to SHUT DOWN Twitter - Lawyer Explains - Viva Frei Vlawg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IG_xg9HVfc
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