And western nation SHOULD dismantle HK as a financial center. Move the money somewhere else - Singapore is right there, and if they have the wish, prop up Taiwan and Make Taiwan Great Again. It will take years, though.
Speaking of which, now would be a great time for the West to recognise Taiwan again. Now would seem like a great opportunity.
HK never really had access to democracy, neither under British rule nor under Chinese rule. How anyone thinks democracy could work in HK while belonging to a country that views democracy as a cancer is beyond me. It was always a pipe dream.
So the people of HK are just supposed to embrace and accept totalitarianism then?
I hate Trump with a passion. He’s a destructive force to core Western ideals cherished by most of us here. China and Russia are infinitely more destructive still. So this is a chance to set differences with Trump aside and stand united against China for the sake of HK.
Agreed. Donald was bound to get something right eventually and he seems to be spot on when it comes to this issue.
I see Canada, the UK and Australia joining us but sadly the EU us already whimpering its excuses, just like they did when China told them to alter their COVID declaration. Guys, please implore your friends and governments to give a voice to people that need it. Aesma, Dutch..look to your own history to see what happens when you just fold your tent at the first sign of a challenge. Poland, Holland, France, Crimea, Ukraine, the South China Sea, and now HK. I have a feeling if the EU found its lost ball sack in the attic and stood tall with the rest of us and gave China the big giant Fuck You they deserve that they’d blink first.
From the EU's perspective, it's very hard to act as one when China can easily start picking off countries and try playing them against the rest of the Union. Surely Poland and Hungary would fold easily given that the EU is (rightfully) already trying to give them the cold shoulder to deal with Hungary's wannabe dictator and Poland's judicial issues.
Israel is annexing land left and right, denying rights to the people living there, but the US is fine with that, I don't see how the US can have any moral ground to protest against this.
Likewise, the USA has not ratified the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea. This, the same United States which get's very angry about China building Islands in the South China Sea which they (correctly) claim is in violation of "international law".
One is a democracy
I'm guessing you viewed apartheid South Africa as a beacon of democracy too?
I know the TPP is far from perfect but it was in place to have an alliance of Pacific nations to counter China's trade clout.
Well it was initially, then the US was invited and it was rewritten to serve the interests of US lobbyists (ie their funders). Regardless of that though, it would be hard to maintain the illusion of democracy when forcing through a trade agreement which the majority of people in each country were opposed to. Containing China is an important goal for Western governments, especially those closest in Asia who experience the CCP's belligerence first hand, but governments are supposed to serve their people.
Communists acting like Communists. And yet people are surprised and have some misplaced expectation of China behaving like a good actor.
Who are these people you speak of? Literally noone here is acting surprised.
Leaving aside the question of right or wrong, I find it interesting there are people arguing the UK should never have given up Hong Kong or that the UK should now take Hong Kong back. Why? Since when was imperialism a good thing?
A good point.
Wouldn't the better alternative be to allow HK to declare independence. The UK should never have been in Hong Kong in the first place, and HK wouldn't be in this mess today were it not for idiotic notions of empire.
I'm hardly a fan of imperialism, but if it wasn't for being part of the empire, HK would be no different to somewhere like Xiaman.
Credit where credit is due - he seems to be getting this one right.
The bit about there being nothing wrong with China taking back control. If you feel there's nothing wrong with violating a treaty, sure. (Do you actually believe that or are you just collecting your paycheck for trolling?) Yes, there are parallels to the annexations of Crimea and parts of the West Bank. I don't think those things should have happened (or still be happening) either.
I think that's what's important to note here - China is violating the treaty and not upholding their end of it. Overall though, I guess what this debate boils down to is who does a city belong to - it's rulers or it's people? I'll always vote the latter.
Essentially, Deng forced Britain's hand. For him, it was a matter of national pride. China had endured centuries of war and colonization, and this would be the return of something of great national significance.
You aren't wrong but the "National Pride" argument from China is complete BS. When you are a Totalitarian State you control the media and you control what people care about when it comes to "National Pride". The CCP having extreme nationalistic mouthpieces like the Global Times which stoke extremist nationalism become a self fulfilling prophecy. They could turn it off in an instant should they so desire.