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Tiananmen Square Massacre

Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:44 pm

Today marks the 31 year anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre, in which a number of student protestors were killed by Chinese soldiers. Very brutal and important event in the history of the world.
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Fri Jun 05, 2020 1:47 am

As a reward for this atrocity we made them wealthy with our jobs and business and we can thank corporate greed and our governments blessings which allowed it. We just found out with the :shock: virus how much of our medicines and equipment are made there still.
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:35 am

Our great 45th leader’s remarks about that day, praising the Chinese for putting down the demonstration:

https://twitter.com/michikokakutani/sta ... 80353?s=21
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:14 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Our great 45th leader’s remarks about that day, praising the Chinese for putting down the demonstration:

https://twitter.com/michikokakutani/sta ... 80353?s=21


It's actually much worse than that.

By being completely unable to manage the violent protests in the US and only threatening to use force to stop them and sewing more division with his comments, Trump is playing right in the hands of China, who now use him as an example of how dysfunctional democracy is and how the US is no better at handling mass protests than Communist China...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52912241

This is why Trump is such a danger to the World. He reinforces autocracies by demonstrating the limits of a democratic system while at the same time being an apologist for dictators. This is the reason Xinping, Putin and other dictators around the planet like him so much. He single-handedly weakens their strongest opposition on the World stage while validating their governance in the eyes of their constituents by making a circus of the supposedly strongest and 'freest' democracy in the World.

If democracy leads to leaders like Trump, then it's not hard for some to be convinced that the whole idea is a failure...
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:40 am

Francoflier wrote:

By being completely unable to manage the violent protests in the US and only threatening to use force to stop them and sewing more division with his comments, Trump is playing right in the hands of China, who now use him as an example of how dysfunctional democracy is and how the US is no better at handling mass protests than Communist China...


It started long before Trump.

Kent State massacre, using tanks on the Bonus army, LA in 92, National Guard “clearing” Dakota pipeline protesters, MLK Assassination protests, Watts, Ferguson, Baltimore, Charlotte....

And that’s just on US territory, if we started with the US military against civilians in other nations we’d be here all night.

Other countries aren’t blameless either. The one that comes to mind is the UK government and their Bloody Sunday Massacre in Derry, and remind me how many of responsible were put in prison for that?
 
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:55 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Our great 45th leader’s remarks about that day, praising the Chinese for putting down the demonstration:

https://twitter.com/michikokakutani/sta ... 80353?s=21


The original interview that tweet quotes from:

https://www.playboy.com/read/playboy-in ... trump-1990

It's even worse with the context:

What were your other impressions of the Soviet Union?
I was very unimpressed. Their system is a disaster. What you will see there soon is a revolution; the signs are all there with the demonstrations and picketing. Russia is out of control and the leadership knows it. That’s my problem with Gorbachev. Not a firm enough hand.

You mean firm hand as in China?
When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak … as being spit on by the rest of the world—

Why is Gorbachev not firm enough?
I predict he will be overthrown, because he has shown extraordinary weakness. Suddenly, for the first time ever, there are coal-miner strikes and brush fires everywhere—which will all ultimately lead to a violent revolution. Yet Gorbachev is getting credit for being a wonderful leader—and we should continue giving him credit, because he’s destroying the Soviet Union. But his giving an inch is going to end up costing him and all his friends what they most cherish—their jobs.
 
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:10 am

The protests over the last year in Hong Kong are also about fears of a Tianamen Square Massacre 2 there. The justification for a crushing of HK protesters is underway, including making illegal showing any 'disrespect' to the PRC national anthem in HK. The PRC leaders and their bribing rich supporters want to steal the wealth of HK for themselves, have total control of their people, put in their disrespect of HK's UK based business law, property rights and prevent any threats to their power.
 
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Fri Jun 05, 2020 4:39 pm

ltbewr wrote:
The protests over the last year in Hong Kong are also about fears of a Tianamen Square Massacre 2 there. The justification for a crushing of HK protesters is underway, including making illegal showing any 'disrespect' to the PRC national anthem in HK. The PRC leaders and their bribing rich supporters want to steal the wealth of HK for themselves, have total control of their people, put in their disrespect of HK's UK based business law, property rights and prevent any threats to their power.


Not quite 100% true.

It starts off as a total mistrust of mainland govt (hence the protest against the modification of extradition law), only for PRC to start talks of "sending in the army" (sounds familiar? Yep, Trump said that just this week) to quash protest, Tiananmen style. That's when the protest start hitting international news anyway.

The anthem law is meh...the national security law is the concern as we all know it will be use to crush any remnant of the pan-Democracy politicians via means like cutting off the money, coercion, etc.

But yes, ultimately the final goal is to control the business (and the money) in HK. Mainland PRC economy is in a bubble anyway.
 
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:02 pm

Francoflier wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Our great 45th leader’s remarks about that day, praising the Chinese for putting down the demonstration:

https://twitter.com/michikokakutani/sta ... 80353?s=21


It's actually much worse than that.

By being completely unable to manage the violent protests in the US and only threatening to use force to stop them and sewing more division with his comments, Trump is playing right in the hands of China, who now use him as an example of how dysfunctional democracy is and how the US is no better at handling mass protests than Communist China...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52912241

This is why Trump is such a danger to the World. He reinforces autocracies by demonstrating the limits of a democratic system while at the same time being an apologist for dictators. This is the reason Xinping, Putin and other dictators around the planet like him so much. He single-handedly weakens their strongest opposition on the World stage while validating their governance in the eyes of their constituents by making a circus of the supposedly strongest and 'freest' democracy in the World.

If democracy leads to leaders like Trump, then it's not hard for some to be convinced that the whole idea is a failure...


Democracy only works if there are well-informed voters who can come to a decision weighing all the facts.
Unfortunately, many Americans have been so brainwashed and are so "brain-dead" that Democracy itself has become utterly disfunctional.
 
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:12 pm

WarRI1 wrote:
As a reward for this atrocity we made them wealthy with our jobs and business and we can thank corporate greed and our governments blessings which allowed it. We just found out with the :shock: virus how much of our medicines and equipment are made there still.
Very true. Everybody thinks it's the politicians or some deep, dark cabal that runs the world. It's not, it's the corporations. I saw a good quote a while back that is very true... "when a politician is running for office, he says what the voters want to hear...when he's elected, he does what the big money people tell him to do".
 
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:14 pm

Dieuwer wrote:

Democracy only works if there are well-informed voters who can come to a decision weighing all the facts.
Unfortunately, many Americans have been so brainwashed and are so "brain-dead" that Democracy itself has become utterly disfunctional.
It's not just Americans, but nice try...
 
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:44 am

johns624 wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
As a reward for this atrocity we made them wealthy with our jobs and business and we can thank corporate greed and our governments blessings which allowed it. We just found out with the :shock: virus how much of our medicines and equipment are made there still.
Very true. Everybody thinks it's the politicians or some deep, dark cabal that runs the world. It's not, it's the corporations. I saw a good quote a while back that is very true... "when a politician is running for office, he says what the voters want to hear...when he's elected, he does what the big money people tell him to do".


Without a doubt, that is the system, we have an Oligarchy here, condoned by the USSC no less.
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:49 am

seat64k wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Our great 45th leader’s remarks about that day, praising the Chinese for putting down the demonstration:

https://twitter.com/michikokakutani/sta ... 80353?s=21


The original interview that tweet quotes from:

https://www.playboy.com/read/playboy-in ... trump-1990

It's even worse with the context:

What were your other impressions of the Soviet Union?
I was very unimpressed. Their system is a disaster. What you will see there soon is a revolution; the signs are all there with the demonstrations and picketing. Russia is out of control and the leadership knows it. That’s my problem with Gorbachev. Not a firm enough hand.

You mean firm hand as in China?
When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak … as being spit on by the rest of the world—

Why is Gorbachev not firm enough?
I predict he will be overthrown, because he has shown extraordinary weakness. Suddenly, for the first time ever, there are coal-miner strikes and brush fires everywhere—which will all ultimately lead to a violent revolution. Yet Gorbachev is getting credit for being a wonderful leader—and we should continue giving him credit, because he’s destroying the Soviet Union. But his giving an inch is going to end up costing him and all his friends what they most cherish—their jobs.


Trump’s friendly journos at News Limited also write about the article:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-ame ... 2cb1708f00

Proving that it isn’t fake news. Pretty damaging stuff.
 
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Re: Tiananmen Square Massacre

Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:01 am

cpd wrote:
seat64k wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
Our great 45th leader’s remarks about that day, praising the Chinese for putting down the demonstration:

https://twitter.com/michikokakutani/sta ... 80353?s=21


The original interview that tweet quotes from:

https://www.playboy.com/read/playboy-in ... trump-1990

It's even worse with the context:

What were your other impressions of the Soviet Union?
I was very unimpressed. Their system is a disaster. What you will see there soon is a revolution; the signs are all there with the demonstrations and picketing. Russia is out of control and the leadership knows it. That’s my problem with Gorbachev. Not a firm enough hand.

You mean firm hand as in China?
When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it. Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength. Our country is right now perceived as weak … as being spit on by the rest of the world—

Why is Gorbachev not firm enough?
I predict he will be overthrown, because he has shown extraordinary weakness. Suddenly, for the first time ever, there are coal-miner strikes and brush fires everywhere—which will all ultimately lead to a violent revolution. Yet Gorbachev is getting credit for being a wonderful leader—and we should continue giving him credit, because he’s destroying the Soviet Union. But his giving an inch is going to end up costing him and all his friends what they most cherish—their jobs.


Trump’s friendly journos at News Limited also write about the article:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-ame ... 2cb1708f00

Proving that it isn’t fake news. Pretty damaging stuff.



Proof positive, he is the man who would be King, or another Strong man dictator if given a chance. The spineless Republicans are sure giving him many chances to subvert our Democracy. He is damaging Democratic Institutions in the quest for political power and being blessed by the Religious right and spineless hacks. And that folks is not fake news.
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