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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:01 am

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
You could also argue that Biden and Socialism/Marxism is an accurate package deal.

TRUMP 2020

You could also argue that the moon is made of cheese, but you'd be a moron.


This. Perfect example of how out of touch liberals and the left still are when it comes to what matters most to conservatives and red voter people in the swing states the really decide who’s president. This type of ignorance is why Trump will win again this year.

TRUMP 2020

What exactly is *this* that you speak of? $1 you a) don’t have a clue what socialism/Marxism is and b) how Biden is supporting either. But you’re right about ignorance being why Trump wins—I have zero doubt the ignorant lowest common denominator of the country that is Trump’s bass will happily destroy it in a heartbeat
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:12 am

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
You could also argue that Biden and Socialism/Marxism is an accurate package deal.

TRUMP 2020

You could also argue that the moon is made of cheese, but you'd be a moron.


This. Perfect example of how out of touch liberals and the left still are when it comes to what matters most to conservatives and red voter people in the swing states the really decide who’s president. This type of ignorance is why Trump will win again this year.

TRUMP 2020


Putin/trump 2020
Translation: There are crowds of Americans in Red states that get off on a president that LIES to their face everyday of the week...

...we concluded that 3.5 years ago.

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:15 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
BN747 wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
I can! I’m all for Trump. He’s been a great president and the reasons I voted for him he has followed through on his promises and policies he campaigned on in 2016.

TRUMP 2020


Correction:trump/Putin 2020!

Some Americans huge fans of an American president being the laptop for Russia.


A Vote for trump is a vote for Putin.


BN747


Still peddling that tripe?


Still ignoring coward trump's subservience to Putin huh?

Just like Covid-19, everything is a hoax to you people.

Apparently, so is Patriotism and Democracy.

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:35 am

BN747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
BN747 wrote:

Correction:trump/Putin 2020!

Some Americans huge fans of an American president being the laptop for Russia.


A Vote for trump is a vote for Putin.


BN747


Still peddling that tripe?


Still ignoring coward trump's subservience to Putin huh?


It might be the fear of a Novichok Cocktail that is causing a lack of response to Putin and his gang.


We must consider the reason and fear causing the lack of response to Putin's actions, a possible Novichok Cocktail.


We must consider the cause of the lack of response to Putin, maybe it is a fear of a Novichok cocktail.

Just like Covid-19, everything is a hoax to you people.

Apparently, so is Patriotism and Democracy.

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:45 am

In answer to the reply above, it maybe a Novichok cocktail causing the lack of response from the White House.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:02 am

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In answer to the reply above, it maybe a Novichok cocktail causing the lack of response from the White House.



Navalny is in a 'hoax' coma according to them...and they'll go to the mat to defend Putin from the allegation.

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:04 am

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
he has followed through on his promises and policies he campaigned on in 2016.


it would appear you have forgotten most of the things he promised in 2016.

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:34 am

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HNLSLCPDX wrote:
he has followed through on his promises and policies he campaigned on in 2016.


it would appear you have forgotten most of the things he promised in 2016.

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I assumed that the poster was just blatant trolling, or had forgotten the /s tag on their posts.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:10 am

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
You could also argue that Biden and Socialism/Marxism is an accurate package deal.

TRUMP 2020

You could also argue that the moon is made of cheese, but you'd be a moron.


This. Perfect example of how out of touch liberals and the left still are when it comes to what matters most to conservatives and red voter people in the swing states the really decide who’s president. This type of ignorance is why Trump will win again this year.

TRUMP 2020


I feel like you're right, but also demonstrates the better candidate and sound policy doesn't win. Decades of intellectual populism and pseudo-rugged individualism (all while collecting government aid, of course) will tear down America and bring in utter crackpots like Trump to higher office.

The problem isn't really conservatism; it is the divisive anti-intellectualism. This prat screws adult stars while preaching Christian values, talks up random pseudoscience, and makes policy using a dartboard with ideas from his daughter and her husband on it, and that's what conservative Americans want? What a joke!
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:17 am

N867DA wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
You could also argue that the moon is made of cheese, but you'd be a moron.


This. Perfect example of how out of touch liberals and the left still are when it comes to what matters most to conservatives and red voter people in the swing states the really decide who’s president. This type of ignorance is why Trump will win again this year.

TRUMP 2020


I feel like you're right, but also demonstrates the better candidate and sound policy doesn't win. Decades of intellectual populism and pseudo-rugged individualism (all while collecting government aid, of course) will tear down America and bring in utter crackpots like Trump to higher office.

The problem isn't really conservatism; it is the divisive anti-intellectualism. This prat screws adult stars while preaching Christian values, talks up random pseudoscience, and makes policy using a dartboard with ideas from his daughter and her husband on it, and that's what conservative Americans want? What a joke!


Not to mention some veterans around here who were supposedly patriots at one time.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:39 am

Aaron747 wrote:
N867DA wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:

This. Perfect example of how out of touch liberals and the left still are when it comes to what matters most to conservatives and red voter people in the swing states the really decide who’s president. This type of ignorance is why Trump will win again this year.

TRUMP 2020


I feel like you're right, but also demonstrates the better candidate and sound policy doesn't win. Decades of intellectual populism and pseudo-rugged individualism (all while collecting government aid, of course) will tear down America and bring in utter crackpots like Trump to higher office.

The problem isn't really conservatism; it is the divisive anti-intellectualism. This prat screws adult stars while preaching Christian values, talks up random pseudoscience, and makes policy using a dartboard with ideas from his daughter and her husband on it, and that's what conservative Americans want? What a joke!


Not to mention some veterans around here who were supposedly patriots at one time.


N-O

K-I-D-D-I-N-G!

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:02 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
This. Perfect example of how out of touch liberals and the left still are when it comes to what matters most to conservatives and red voter people in the swing states the really decide who’s president. This type of ignorance is why Trump will win again this year.

TRUMP 2020


Actually the opposite. Policies like Medicare for All, Increased Minimum Wage, Wealth Tax, Free College tuition etc all have about 60-75% support. Medicare for All has majority Republican support. All Republicans love Medicare and Social Security. They just don't pass because Americans are afraid of the word socialism. I guess that's why Bernie constantly polls ahead of Trump. Shame the fear of a word holds the country back.
 
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:26 pm

Biden has a low bar to crest and his record shows it’s possible for him to fail. The Dems might have been better going to the Hilary well one more time. JP Morgan analyst today said the momentum is in Trump’s favor. It’ll be a tight election, likely very much like 2016 and a few tens of thousands deciding it in a few states. Voters aren’t telling the pollsters the truth or the pollsters are overlooking likely voters with their own biases. Look at things like gun purchases and permit applications, stock prices, arc of street violence in cities.

Kevin D. Williamson, the best commentator of the day, skewers left and Trump today.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/ ... term=first
 
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:02 pm

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Biden has a low bar to crest and his record shows it’s possible for him to fail. The Dems might have been better going to the Hilary well one more time. JP Morgan analyst today said the momentum is in Trump’s favor. It’ll be a tight election, likely very much like 2016 and a few tens of thousands deciding it in a few states. Voters aren’t telling the pollsters the truth or the pollsters are overlooking likely voters with their own biases. Look at things like gun purchases and permit applications, stock prices, arc of street violence in cities.

Kevin D. Williamson, the best commentator of the day, skewers left and Trump today.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/ ... term=first


“Voters aren’t telling the pollsters the truth or the pollsters are overlooking likely voters with their own biases.”

The media was on Hillary’s side and again now on Biden’s side. They’ll do anything to protect Biden and make people think he’ll win. It’s 2016 all over again. JP Morgan says it’ll be close, but again, I think it’s going to be a blowout win for Trump. People are fed up with the left and their push for a socialism government, the BLM movement has become a major turn off to many people (it has nothing to do with BLM when you really look into the entire movement anyways), and the overall outlook and what Democrats and the left want to do to this country. Also the organized riots bring paid for and supported by the left are another reason many people are turned off by the Democrats. It’s a sign of how they have lost control of things and a sign of how they would run the country. It’s simply corruption and chaos that the Democrats are displaying. The reason many conservatives and especially Christians will vote for Trump again is because he is an ally to them and is not trying to deny them their rights, he’s simply looking out for them.


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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:13 pm

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People are fed up with the left and their push for a socialism government, the BLM movement has become a major turn off to many people (it has nothing to do with BLM when you really look into the entire movement anyways), and the overall outlook and what Democrats and the left want to do to this country.


Your statement is false because it's predicated on a 'push for a socialism government'. This is not happening at all - centrist policies underpin most of the winners of the 2018 midterms, and the Sanders campaign was defeated twice. Mark Kelly, Abigail Spanberger, Kamala Harris and Amy McGrath are clamoring for socialism? Get real.

You conveniently missed a critical closing line in the NatRev piece: the petulant child in the White House requires a full-time culture war lest he be forced to run for reelection on his record of spotless administrative excellence and confidence-inspiring leadership. The role of POTUS is to cheerlead the nation and unite. The above is more division for no reason other than incompetence and leadership failure. That's reason enough to be fired.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:13 pm

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Biden has a low bar to crest and his record shows it’s possible for him to fail. The Dems might have been better going to the Hilary well one more time. JP Morgan analyst today said the momentum is in Trump’s favor. It’ll be a tight election, likely very much like 2016 and a few tens of thousands deciding it in a few states. Voters aren’t telling the pollsters the truth or the pollsters are overlooking likely voters with their own biases. Look at things like gun purchases and permit applications, stock prices, arc of street violence in cities.

Kevin D. Williamson, the best commentator of the day, skewers left and Trump today.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/ ... term=first




He presents the fundamental issue as property rights, and ignores the life and liberty that have been denied to people. This is flat out wrong.

There are real issue in his column that property damage is an issue, but people rebuild if they feel secure in their life and liberty. If you have clutches of the population that are not secure in the first two, and they don't have property to worry about, you get a revolution. We need to address the issues behind the protests to allow folks that have legitimate complaints a platform from which to speak and not ignore it.

To ignore it continues to give cover and power to the elements that are so angry and so uncaring about property and the future That they do burn it down. The Right's coddling of populist Far Right Racists and bad policy is feeding into the Left's anarchist ranks. Until we get to a political place where rational discussions happen, we are going to continue to see this issue.

And his column hails it when he only singles out one person who has really driven it all. That is Donald Trump. He continues to play up the Cultural divisions so he can win. He is not in it for this country and it's citizens. Just himself.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:19 pm

Williamson has been a consistent and honest critic of Trump, that’s a reason alone to read him.
 
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:25 pm

The Former GOP Governor of Michigan has endorsed....Biden

The dominoes continue to fall.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/0 ... ent-408247
Former Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder endorsed Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden on Thursday, arguing the former vice president would “bring back civility” to the United States and work on “bringing Americans closer together.”

“He has shown the desire to heal a deeply divided nation; has demonstrated strong moral character and empathy; and he seems willing to listen to people who have different perspectives from his own,” Snyder, a Republican, wrote in an op-ed in USA Today.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:26 pm

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Williamson has been a consistent and honest critic of Trump, that’s a reason alone to read him.


So have George Will, Mona Charen, Amanda Carpenter, Bill Weld, Linda Chavez, Stephen Hayes, Charlie Sykes, Bruce Bartlett, and many others. It's really telling actually that Reagan staffers seem to be the only ones left with the balls to call a spade a spade.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:34 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
People are fed up with the left and their push for a socialism government, the BLM movement has become a major turn off to many people (it has nothing to do with BLM when you really look into the entire movement anyways), and the overall outlook and what Democrats and the left want to do to this country.


Your statement is false because it's predicated on a 'push for a socialism government'. This is not happening at all - centrist policies underpin most of the winners of the 2018 midterms, and the Sanders campaign was defeated twice. Mark Kelly, Abigail Spanberger, Kamala Harris and Amy McGrath are clamoring for socialism? Get real.

You conveniently missed a critical closing line in the NatRev piece: the petulant child in the White House requires a full-time culture war lest he be forced to run for reelection on his record of spotless administrative excellence and confidence-inspiring leadership. The role of POTUS is to cheerlead the nation and unite. The above is more division for no reason other than incompetence and leadership failure. That's reason enough to be fired.


You clearly haven’t looked at their records and what they stand for. Get real.
 
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:39 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
People are fed up with the left and their push for a socialism government, the BLM movement has become a major turn off to many people (it has nothing to do with BLM when you really look into the entire movement anyways), and the overall outlook and what Democrats and the left want to do to this country.


Your statement is false because it's predicated on a 'push for a socialism government'. This is not happening at all - centrist policies underpin most of the winners of the 2018 midterms, and the Sanders campaign was defeated twice. Mark Kelly, Abigail Spanberger, Kamala Harris and Amy McGrath are clamoring for socialism? Get real.

You conveniently missed a critical closing line in the NatRev piece: the petulant child in the White House requires a full-time culture war lest he be forced to run for reelection on his record of spotless administrative excellence and confidence-inspiring leadership. The role of POTUS is to cheerlead the nation and unite. The above is more division for no reason other than incompetence and leadership failure. That's reason enough to be fired.


You clearly haven’t looked at their records and what they stand for. Get real.


Sources and links? If not I have to call BS. And you choose not to address Williamson's comment on 45 - do you disagree with his characterization perchance?
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:13 pm

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The media was on Hillary’s side and again now on Biden’s side. They’ll do anything to protect Biden and make people think he’ll win. It’s 2016 all over again.


If anything, the media is being way too soft on Trump and Republicans.

Journalists are still desperately trying to spin this into a "both sides" story when in fact it is only one side that has broken most all norms of conduct in Congress ever since 2008 (climaxing of course in the case of Merrick Garland), only one side that openly admits violent unrest in the streets is helpful to them (Kellyanne Conway interview), only one side that encourages its followers to commit voter fraud (Trump last night in NC "vote twice") and really only one side that is responsible for true political violence in the US (Kyle Rittenhouse murdered more people last week than left-wing domestic terrorists have in the past 20-30 years).

Nonetheless, the media is still too afraid of a right-wing shitstorm (which will inevitably happen either way, so why even bother) to just call a spade a spade.

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
JP Morgan says it’ll be close, but again, I think it’s going to be a blowout win for Trump.


Again?? LOL
There has never been a blowout win for Trump, not in '16 and there sure won't be this fall.

He is "legitimized" by a mandate of just barely over a quarter of eligible voters (46.1% vote share @ 55.7% turnout = 25.68% of voting-age American citizens).
But yeah, blowout win, huh?
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:17 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Williamson has been a consistent and honest critic of Trump, that’s a reason alone to read him.


So have George Will, Mona Charen, Amanda Carpenter, Bill Weld, Linda Chavez, Stephen Hayes, Charlie Sykes, Bruce Bartlett, and many others. It's really telling actually that Reagan staffers seem to be the only ones left with the balls to call a spade a spade.


Hilarious, are you aligned with any of their political positions OTHER than dislike of Trump?
 
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:22 pm

lugie wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
The media was on Hillary’s side and again now on Biden’s side. They’ll do anything to protect Biden and make people think he’ll win. It’s 2016 all over again.


If anything, the media is being way too soft on Trump and Republicans.

Journalists are still desperately trying to spin this into a "both sides" story when in fact it is only one side that has broken most all norms of conduct in Congress ever since 2008 (climaxing of course in the case of Merrick Garland), only one side that openly admits violent unrest in the streets is helpful to them (Kellyanne Conway interview), only one side that encourages its followers to commit voter fraud (Trump last night in NC "vote twice") and really only one side that is responsible for true political violence in the US (Kyle Rittenhouse murdered more people last week than left-wing domestic terrorists have in the past 20-30 years).

Nonetheless, the media is still too afraid of a right-wing shitstorm (which will inevitably happen either way, so why even bother) to just call a spade a spade.

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
JP Morgan says it’ll be close, but again, I think it’s going to be a blowout win for Trump.


Again?? LOL
There has never been a blowout win for Trump, not in '16 and there sure won't be this fall.

He is "legitimized" by a mandate of just barely over a quarter of eligible voters (46.1% vote share @ 55.7% turnout = 25.68% of voting-age American citizens).
But yeah, blowout win, huh?


Still believing the polls I see. Keep doing that. 2016 all over again.

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:26 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Williamson has been a consistent and honest critic of Trump, that’s a reason alone to read him.


So have George Will, Mona Charen, Amanda Carpenter, Bill Weld, Linda Chavez, Stephen Hayes, Charlie Sykes, Bruce Bartlett, and many others. It's really telling actually that Reagan staffers seem to be the only ones left with the balls to call a spade a spade.


Hilarious, are you aligned with any of their political positions OTHER than dislike of Trump?


It’s not about ‘aligning with positions’ - it’s about respect. I have been reading George Will since age 15 because he’s a fantastic writer. Bruce Bartlett has been a fair-minded commentator on domestic policy since leaving the Reagan WH. Some of his ideas on education reform were strong. Bill Weld had great accomplishments during his tenure in MA and demonstrated businesses benefit when working across the aisle with a Dem lege. Stephen Hayes was one of the first neocons to admit backing the Iraq War was an error. It’s possible to respect persons and be interested in what they have to say without being in lockstep with all their positions.

Obviously that’s not what Trumpism is about.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:27 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
lugie wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
The media was on Hillary’s side and again now on Biden’s side. They’ll do anything to protect Biden and make people think he’ll win. It’s 2016 all over again.


If anything, the media is being way too soft on Trump and Republicans.

Journalists are still desperately trying to spin this into a "both sides" story when in fact it is only one side that has broken most all norms of conduct in Congress ever since 2008 (climaxing of course in the case of Merrick Garland), only one side that openly admits violent unrest in the streets is helpful to them (Kellyanne Conway interview), only one side that encourages its followers to commit voter fraud (Trump last night in NC "vote twice") and really only one side that is responsible for true political violence in the US (Kyle Rittenhouse murdered more people last week than left-wing domestic terrorists have in the past 20-30 years).

Nonetheless, the media is still too afraid of a right-wing shitstorm (which will inevitably happen either way, so why even bother) to just call a spade a spade.

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
JP Morgan says it’ll be close, but again, I think it’s going to be a blowout win for Trump.


Again?? LOL
There has never been a blowout win for Trump, not in '16 and there sure won't be this fall.

He is "legitimized" by a mandate of just barely over a quarter of eligible voters (46.1% vote share @ 55.7% turnout = 25.68% of voting-age American citizens).
But yeah, blowout win, huh?


Still believing the polls I see. Keep doing that. 2016 all over again.

TRUMP 2020


Was math really hard for you? Eligible voters are eligible voters - polls are immaterial.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:30 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Biden has a low bar to crest and his record shows it’s possible for him to fail. The Dems might have been better going to the Hilary well one more time. JP Morgan analyst today said the momentum is in Trump’s favor. It’ll be a tight election, likely very much like 2016 and a few tens of thousands deciding it in a few states. Voters aren’t telling the pollsters the truth or the pollsters are overlooking likely voters with their own biases. Look at things like gun purchases and permit applications, stock prices, arc of street violence in cities.

Kevin D. Williamson, the best commentator of the day, skewers left and Trump today.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/ ... term=first


“Voters aren’t telling the pollsters the truth or the pollsters are overlooking likely voters with their own biases.”

The media was on Hillary’s side and again now on Biden’s side. They’ll do anything to protect Biden and make people think he’ll win. It’s 2016 all over again.


You do realise polls showing Biden lead are discouraging for Biden voters (= he'll win anyways) and encourages Trump voters (= I have to vote to keep America great)?

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:31 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
lugie wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
The media was on Hillary’s side and again now on Biden’s side. They’ll do anything to protect Biden and make people think he’ll win. It’s 2016 all over again.


If anything, the media is being way too soft on Trump and Republicans.

Journalists are still desperately trying to spin this into a "both sides" story when in fact it is only one side that has broken most all norms of conduct in Congress ever since 2008 (climaxing of course in the case of Merrick Garland), only one side that openly admits violent unrest in the streets is helpful to them (Kellyanne Conway interview), only one side that encourages its followers to commit voter fraud (Trump last night in NC "vote twice") and really only one side that is responsible for true political violence in the US (Kyle Rittenhouse murdered more people last week than left-wing domestic terrorists have in the past 20-30 years).

Nonetheless, the media is still too afraid of a right-wing shitstorm (which will inevitably happen either way, so why even bother) to just call a spade a spade.

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
JP Morgan says it’ll be close, but again, I think it’s going to be a blowout win for Trump.


Again?? LOL
There has never been a blowout win for Trump, not in '16 and there sure won't be this fall.

He is "legitimized" by a mandate of just barely over a quarter of eligible voters (46.1% vote share @ 55.7% turnout = 25.68% of voting-age American citizens).
But yeah, blowout win, huh?


Still believing the polls I see. Keep doing that. 2016 all over again.

TRUMP 2020


What was so wrong about polling that gave Trump a ~30% chance of winning on election eve?

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:32 pm

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GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Biden has a low bar to crest and his record shows it’s possible for him to fail. The Dems might have been better going to the Hilary well one more time. JP Morgan analyst today said the momentum is in Trump’s favor. It’ll be a tight election, likely very much like 2016 and a few tens of thousands deciding it in a few states. Voters aren’t telling the pollsters the truth or the pollsters are overlooking likely voters with their own biases. Look at things like gun purchases and permit applications, stock prices, arc of street violence in cities.

Kevin D. Williamson, the best commentator of the day, skewers left and Trump today.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/09/ ... term=first


“Voters aren’t telling the pollsters the truth or the pollsters are overlooking likely voters with their own biases.”

The media was on Hillary’s side and again now on Biden’s side. They’ll do anything to protect Biden and make people think he’ll win. It’s 2016 all over again.


You do realise polls showing Biden lead are discouraging for Biden voters (= he'll win anyways) and encourages Trump voters (= I have to vote to keep America great)?

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C’mon :lol: - this isn’t exactly someone who aced critical thinking 101.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:56 pm

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Hilarious, are you aligned with any of their political positions OTHER than dislike of Trump?

Yes, actually. I like what Trump has done on a couple aspects China being the one I align with most. I would like to align with wise spending and monetary policy but that hasn;t happened at all during his tenure. It actually even worse now. I align slightly with his DACA stance, honestly Congress just needs to stand up and do something. However he endlessly attacks anyone who does not "agree" with him/his base so the Republican side is frozen and can't do anything and the Dems just point at Trump. And Trump then helps by going full "divide the nation".

You want to get the country "open and working" again as soon as possible? Wear a mask, encourage it, support it. If you don't then you do not support getting things back up and running. And he didn't do that and hasn't it well and has allowed for the Republican party to dither and waste time on this. It harms the country.

As to dislike driving people, I recall a dislike of a candidate in the last election being a deciding factor. And as to dislike of Trump, hell yes, he is terrible, he has been a poor president and ridiculously divisive and reluctant to actually lead on anything that isn't "his". And is not helping himself even now. I just do not understand any actual Republican that can support him. You can't support a bad candidate. Party is not before country. Or at least it shouldn't be. Of course that is my opinion, yours may differ.

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:11 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
lugie wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
JP Morgan says it’ll be close, but again, I think it’s going to be a blowout win for Trump.


Again?? LOL
There has never been a blowout win for Trump, not in '16 and there sure won't be this fall.

He is "legitimized" by a mandate of just barely over a quarter of eligible voters (46.1% vote share @ 55.7% turnout = 25.68% of voting-age American citizens).
But yeah, blowout win, huh?


Still believing the polls I see. Keep doing that. 2016 all over again.

TRUMP 2020


This isn't even about polls it's about you claiming this year will be a blowout win for Trump "again", thereby outrageously claiming that 2016 was a blowout - it wasn't and I provided cold hard numbers (vote tallies, not polls) that prove me right and you wrong.

Also, for anyone who bothers to look at what the polls actually say they weren't far off in 2016 at all.
They predicted that Hillary would get a higher share of the vote (which she did) and the prediction models gave Trump a non-trivial (~30%) chance of winning the election (which he did).

Consequently, I'd expect them to be roughly correct this year too. If anything, they may be skewing a little into the Trump direction, since pollsters are now concerned about seeming wrong and might be padding the Trump numbers a bit such as not to appear to underestimate him.

Meanwhile, the myth about Trump voters masking their true intentions when being polled has largely been debunked (for reference, listen to this episode of the 538 politics podcast), so maybe it's time for Trump fans to wake up to the reality that their candidate of choice is truly unpopular to the point that he will never break through the glass ceiling of a 45-47% vote share and do some soul searching as to why this could be the case.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:57 pm

Even if he does manage to eek out a win, both chambers of Congress will be controlled by Democrats, so good luck with that.

Which makes me wonder: if (when, God willing!) he loses the electoral college and still refuses to leave, what then? Democrats will most likely be in control of both chambers of Congress. Is there anything in the Constitution about a president who refuses to leave office after losing? I know the new Congress will not take over until early January and the losing president must vacate by a certain date. How will this work?
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:02 pm

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Even if he does manage to eek out a win, both chambers of Congress will be controlled by Democrats, so good luck with that.

Which makes me wonder: if (when, God willing!) he loses the electoral college and still refuses to leave, what then? Democrats will most likely be in control of both chambers of Congress. Is there anything in the Constitution about a president who refuses to leave office after losing? I know the new Congress will not take over until early January and the losing president must vacate by a certain date. How will this work?


Nice try, lol. Trump is winning 2020. Senate is most likely staying republican and the house has a good chance of becoming republican controlled too. Look at the Democrats trying to win, not that impressive and there is a lot more support behind the republicans. I can guarantee you a house seat in Utah will flip from blue to red, and it’s going to happen in other states too. Better get onboard the Trump Train! Take off your blue shades sun glasses too, lol.

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:18 pm

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Is there anything in the Constitution about a president who refuses to leave office after losing? I know the new Congress will not take over until early January and the losing president must vacate by a certain date. How will this work?


The president orders the secret service to remove the former president. Done.

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:51 pm

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The president orders the secret service to remove the former president. Done.

Best regards
Thomas


As much as I'm seriously concerned about the erosion of democratic values that Trump has brought along and the potential for large-scale civil unrest following the election if he disputes the result, there is a (childish maybe, but who cares) part of me that is very excited for that part.

As in, if it comes to that, I'd pay actual money to see him dragged out with physical violence.Maybe Biden should play his Secret Service people the clip of Trump describing how he wants to see arrestees handled by security forces.

"Please don't be too nice [...] When you guys put somebody in the car and you’re protecting their head you know, the way you put their hand over [their head], like, 'Don’t hit their head and they’ve just killed somebody, don’t hit their head.' I said, 'You can take the hand away, OK?"
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:06 pm

seb146 wrote:
Even if he does manage to eek out a win, both chambers of Congress will be controlled by Democrats, so good luck with that.

Which makes me wonder: if (when, God willing!) he loses the electoral college and still refuses to leave, what then? Democrats will most likely be in control of both chambers of Congress. Is there anything in the Constitution about a president who refuses to leave office after losing? I know the new Congress will not take over until early January and the losing president must vacate by a certain date. How will this work?


The term ends at noon on Jan 20, 2021, he leaves should he lose and your red meat is rejected as nonsense. The bigger question will be do all the states have legally recognized electors on Dec 14, 2020 only 5 weeks after the election.
 
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:18 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
seb146 wrote:
Even if he does manage to eek out a win, both chambers of Congress will be controlled by Democrats, so good luck with that.

Which makes me wonder: if (when, God willing!) he loses the electoral college and still refuses to leave, what then? Democrats will most likely be in control of both chambers of Congress. Is there anything in the Constitution about a president who refuses to leave office after losing? I know the new Congress will not take over until early January and the losing president must vacate by a certain date. How will this work?


The term ends at noon on Jan 20, 2021, he leaves should he lose and your red meat is rejected as nonsense. The bigger question will be do all the states have legally recognized electors on Dec 14, 2020 only 5 weeks after the election.


Well with the way Trump is undermining the law and election security , it looks like we will be having impeachment hearing on him if it doesn't occur.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:11 pm

I think if a lot of you stopped hating on Trump, his administration, and instead focused on your own self improvement and see if you’re doing what’s necessary to be a good citizen, a good person (especially morally) and less divisive, many of you would be a lot happier, and would have a lot more joy in your lives. It’s sad to see so many of you rage with hate and to see many of you wanting and cheering for the President to fail, be Impeached, etc.

The left claim to be the most open minded, accepting, and loving people, but here and other places it’s demonstrated that it’s the complete opposite. Truly sad to see. Done with this pointless, negative, depressing, hateful thread. God Bless America.

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Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:24 pm

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Done with this pointless, negative, depressing, hateful thread.


Given the thread is about Trumps term in office, this is an apt description.
 
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:29 pm

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I think if a lot of you stopped hating on Trump, his administration, and instead focused on your own self improvement and see if you’re doing what’s necessary to be a good citizen, a good person (especially morally) and less divisive, many of you would be a lot happier, and would have a lot more joy in your lives. It’s sad to see so many of you rage with hate and to see many of you wanting and cheering for the President to fail, be Impeached, etc.

The left claim to be the most open minded, accepting, and loving people, but here and other places it’s demonstrated that it’s the complete opposite. Truly sad to see. Done with this pointless, negative, depressing, hateful thread. God Bless America.

TRUMP 2020

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:25 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
I think if a lot of you stopped hating on Trump, his administration, and instead focused on your own self improvement and see if you’re doing what’s necessary to be a good citizen, a good person (especially morally) and less divisive, many of you would be a lot happier, and would have a lot more joy in your lives. It’s sad to see so many of you rage with hate and to see many of you wanting and cheering for the President to fail, be Impeached, etc.

The left claim to be the most open minded, accepting, and loving people, but here and other places it’s demonstrated that it’s the complete opposite. Truly sad to see. Done with this pointless, negative, depressing, hateful thread. God Bless America.

TRUMP 2020


Like 2016, in a very blue state, I’m seeing plenty of Trump signs, bumper stickers, even one of those huge dancing balloons.

Yes, the Left is very open, loving and tolerant, just have agree with them OR they’ll riot, burn down your house and business, call it a protest.
 
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:39 pm

A part of me wants Trump to win. The illness has to run its course if the body to develop an immunity to it.
 
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Thu Sep 03, 2020 10:58 pm

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and to see many of you wanting and cheering for the President to fail, be Impeached


Serious people don’t ‘want’ Presidential failure - that hurts the country. And no cheering was necessary - he has brought the zero-growth approval ceiling and failed leadership all on himself.

Also you never answered how the centrist Dems I named are pushing ‘socialism’. Considering they were elected by and appeal to independents like myself, that seems a little beyond ridiculous. Still calling BS.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:09 pm

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HNLSLCPDX wrote:
I think if a lot of you stopped hating on Trump, his administration, and instead focused on your own self improvement and see if you’re doing what’s necessary to be a good citizen, a good person (especially morally) and less divisive, many of you would be a lot happier, and would have a lot more joy in your lives. It’s sad to see so many of you rage with hate and to see many of you wanting and cheering for the President to fail, be Impeached, etc.

The left claim to be the most open minded, accepting, and loving people, but here and other places it’s demonstrated that it’s the complete opposite. Truly sad to see. Done with this pointless, negative, depressing, hateful thread. God Bless America.

TRUMP 2020


Like 2016, in a very blue state, I’m seeing plenty of Trump signs, bumper stickers, even one of those huge dancing balloons.

Yes, the Left is very open, loving and tolerant, just have agree with them OR they’ll riot, burn down your house and business, call it a protest.


Yes that is exactly why Trump might pull this off again.. There are plenty of my friends who initially were outraged with George Floyd then the anarchists took over then the sympathy went away and anger came in. Most people including me voted for Trump even though none of us liked him. I do like some things he did as president but a lot of things I hate. His narcissism is too much for me I can't vote for him again. No way is Biden will ever going to get my vote either. I am screwed no matter who gets in. The whole system is rigged against the working man.
 
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:43 pm

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The whole system is rigged against the working man.


Javanka are living, breathing West Wing-occupying proof of that.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Thu Sep 03, 2020 11:49 pm

Big question here today from conservative Tom Nichols - how can any patriotic American support a POTUS who has open contempt for people who made the ultimate sacrifice? Article attached.

https://twitter.com/radiofreetom/status ... 06369?s=21
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:48 am

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I think if a lot of you stopped hating on Trump, his administration, and instead focused on your own self improvement

God Bless America.

TRUMP 2020


1. God exist the same way as the Easter Bunny...in the minds of children.

2. The "hating on Trump," ticket comes straight from porta-pottie logic...ANYONE should hate on an Extraordinarily Ignorant person in power, anywhere,

It is not acceptable to follow your ignorant child in a dangerous situation - no parent would fo that.

Then why would any sane adult follow and equally ignorant adult.

What makes matters works is everyone knows how ignorant he is 'think Sharpie alteration on an official Hurricane map' flashed to public as authentic.

Also people really hate adults who spew endless lies to your face, with zero shame.

Hating exceptionally Ignorant people comes naturally to the educated.

When you hear "You just hate trump, don't you"...answer with 'I hate all above average ignorance - it's logical.


Correction:Putin/trump 2020

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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:07 am

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In answer to the reply above, it maybe a Novichok cocktail causing the lack of response from the White House.



Navalny is in a 'hoax' coma according to them...and they'll go to the mat to defend Putin from the allegation.

BN747


Was not Putin a KGB thug in his younger years. By the looks of it, he has not forgotten how to intimidate, blackmail and kill dissenters. I am surprised the Buffoon is so easily intimidated by the Thug. I guess the Secret Service can protect physically, but not able to defend against the blackmailing of a President. :shock:
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Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:13 am

WarRI1 wrote:
BN747 wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
In answer to the reply above, it maybe a Novichok cocktail causing the lack of response from the White House.



Navalny is in a 'hoax' coma according to them...and they'll go to the mat to defend Putin from the allegation.

BN747


Was not Putin a KGB thug in his younger years. By the looks of it, he has not forgotten how to intimidate, blackmail and kill dissenters. I am surprised the Buffoon is so easily intimidated by the Thug. I guess the Secret Service can protect physically, but not able to defend against the blackmailing of a President. :shock:


Shhhhh! He doesn’t want anyone to know his business is all tied up in Russian money laundering and he didn’t know it till they told him.
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Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

Fri Sep 04, 2020 2:15 am

WarRI1 wrote:
BN747 wrote:
WarRI1 wrote:
In answer to the reply above, it maybe a Novichok cocktail causing the lack of response from the White House.



Navalny is in a 'hoax' coma according to them...and they'll go to the mat to defend Putin from the allegation.

BN747


Was not Putin a KGB thug in his younger years. By the looks of it, he has not forgotten how to intimidate, blackmail and kill dissenters. I am surprised the Buffoon is so easily intimidated by the Thug. I guess the Secret Service can protect physically, but not able to defend against the blackmailing of a President. :shock:


Putin has only sharpened his skills since those days, take that guy..give him absolute power - what do you think emerges?

A New York Socialite?

A Diplomat?

You get a 21st century Genghis Khan is what you get. And in the face of that, coward trump is no Dwayne 'the Rock' Johnson, he's a smidge below Pee Wee Herman.

And he can bend trump like play-doh pretzel without breaking a sweat.

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