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Heat Wave in Siberia

Thu Jun 25, 2020 5:03 am

Siberia is currently experiencing a record heat wave and temperatures reached 100 degrees Farenheit a few days ago in Verkhoyansk last Saturday and is unprecedented for a region north of the Arctic Circle. In fact, the period between January and June was 14 degrees warmer and this has scientists worried. The heat is leading to wildfires and the melting of permafrost, which is leading to problems for buildings and pipelines. This is a sure sign of climate change and something needs to be done to address this before it is too late.
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Re: Heat Wave in Siberia

Thu Jun 25, 2020 6:22 am

More problematic, with the thawing of the permafrost, CO2 and methane are being released. This is one of the feedback loops in nature which is an acceleration of climate change.
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Re: Heat Wave in Siberia

Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:12 pm

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Siberia is currently experiencing a record heat wave and temperatures reached 100 degrees Farenheit a few days ago in Verkhoyansk last Saturday and is unprecedented for a region north of the Arctic Circle.
No, not "unprecedented". (google "Fort Yukon, 1915")

And beware of generalisations - Siberia is a vast area, much of it nowhere near the arctic circle. (hint - Siberia on it's own is bigger than the USA)
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Re: Heat Wave in Siberia

Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:00 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Siberia is currently experiencing a record heat wave and temperatures reached 100 degrees Farenheit a few days ago in Verkhoyansk last Saturday and is unprecedented for a region north of the Arctic Circle.
No, not "unprecedented". (google "Fort Yukon, 1915")

And beware of generalisations - Siberia is a vast area, much of it nowhere near the arctic circle. (hint - Siberia on it's own is bigger than the USA)


Unpresidented. Weather for link. Verkhoyansk is very much in the arctic circle. Hear wave is also unprecedented.
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Re: Heat Wave in Siberia

Fri Jun 26, 2020 1:34 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Unpresidented. Weather for link. Verkhoyansk is very much in the arctic circle. Hear wave is also unprecedented.

If the town of Utqiagvik (formerly Barrow) in northern Alaska experiences abnormally high temperatures, is it fair to say that Alaska is experiencing a heat wave? No...that's too broad an area since only part of the state is experiencing it. Saying the northern region of Alaska shrinks it so that it focuses on THAT part of the state.

Saying "heat wave in Siberia" is technically wrong since, like SheikDjibouti pointed out, it's a vast area and while one part may be experiencing abnormal temperatures, another part may be seasonably normal (which, looking at the maps, is exactly what's happening). Saying "heat wave in western Siberia" is more accurate.
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Re: Heat Wave in Siberia

Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:14 pm

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Siberia is currently experiencing a record heat wave and temperatures reached 100 degrees Farenheit a few days ago in Verkhoyansk last Saturday and is unprecedented for a region north of the Arctic Circle.
No, not "unprecedented". (google "Fort Yukon, 1915")

And beware of generalisations - Siberia is a vast area, much of it nowhere near the arctic circle. (hint - Siberia on it's own is bigger than the USA)

Dutchy wrote:
Verkhoyansk is very much in the arctic circle.

The position of the Arctic Circle is not fixed and currently runs 66°33′48.1″ north of the Equator.

Verkhoyansk town coordinates: 67°33′N

Wow, that means Verkhoyansk must be almost 100km inside the arctic circle. Excuse me for being underwhelmed.

As for "unpresidented" [sic]; it literally means never happened before.
Did you fail to read up on Fort Yukon? Or are you quibbling over the 0.4deg F difference?
I would respectfully suggest that the Fort Yukon reading, taken all the way back in 1915, was rounded off to the nearest whole number i.e. 100°F
That was probably the best that could be expected from the equipment available to them in Fort Yukon at that time - unless they had access to scientific-grade thermometers.

These days we have mobile phones that can provide greater accuracy than that, hence Verkhoyansk claims the record with 100.4°F

0.4°F higher is indeed unprecedented, but barely. So excuse me if I am still underwhelmed. :roll:

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Thanks. At least somebody has an appreciation of the scale of things.
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Re: Heat Wave in Siberia

Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:17 pm

Couple of days ago I saw a news item on vineyards in Norway. Apparently, that is now a thing. Norway!!
 
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Re: Heat Wave in Siberia

Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:54 pm

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Couple of days ago I saw a news item on vineyards in Norway. Apparently, that is now a thing. Norway!!

Mmmmm. Eiswein! :cheerful:
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All joking aside, like Siberia, Norway is more than just frozen wasteland. The southern tip of the country is about level with... Scotland?
Then again Scotland only makes wine out of roadkill and exotic fruits (strawberries, gooseberries) that are useless for anything else because no self-respecting Scotsman would ever allow fresh fruit to pass his lips. :lol:

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The coastal climate of Norway is exceptionally mild compared with areas on similar latitudes elsewhere in the world, with the Gulf Stream passing directly offshore the northern areas of the Atlantic coast, continuously warming the region in the winter. Temperature anomalies found in coastal locations are exceptional, with Røst and Værøy lacking a meteorological winter in spite of being north of the Arctic Circle. The Gulf Stream has this effect only on the northern parts of Norway, not in the south, despite what is commonly believed. The northern coast of Norway would thus be ice-covered if not for the Gulf Stream.


Oops! It looks like I've stumbled into the arctic circle again. :duck:
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Re: Heat Wave in Siberia

Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:58 pm

So you don't think it has anything to do with Climate Change?
 
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Re: Heat Wave in Siberia

Fri Jun 26, 2020 4:23 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
So you don't think it has anything to do with Climate Change?
Now you are putting words into my mouth; I haven't said that at all.

I honestly do not know whether Norway's climate was historically acceptable for growing grapes. Probably not on a normal economic basis.

However, they are famous for heavy taxation on alcoholic products, so maybe someone is looking to create or exploit a loophole?
Perhaps the vines are sheltered under glass or polytunnels, and wrapped up in thermal blankets for part of the year?

The nearest analogy might be English wine - wine produced from grapes actually grown in England.
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Wine production in the UK has historically been perceived as less than ideal due to the cold climate.
The current market, however, is growing. Recent warmer summers have played a role in increasing investment and sale of wines.
If you read the above in isolation, you might well conclude that climate change is playing a huge role.

But then there is this...
The Romans introduced winemaking to England, and even tried to grow grapes as far north as Lincolnshire.
Was climate change a thing, 2000 years ago?
It appears the English climate was always just about acceptable, although clearly not perfect.
So what happened after the Romans left? A general decline and a preference for ale - or rather that is all the peasants could afford.
(in 1860) English wine was dealt a heavy blow. ....
the government, under Lord Palmerston, supported free trade and drastically cut the tax on imported wines from 1 shilling to twopence, a decrease of 83%. English wine was therefore outcompeted by superior foreign products that could be sold at a lower cost to the customer.

So, it was economics that dealt a heavy blow to english wine production, not climate.
The twilight of British winemaking tradition was brought to an end with the onset of the First World War, as the need for crops and food took priority over wine production.
And then there was that too.

These days a field of wheat might yield 3 tonnes per acre at around £120 per tonne. Growing grapes could yield 3 to 4 tonnes per acre at around £950 to £1100 per tonne.

So is the recent increase in English wine production due to climate change, or other factors? :scratchchin:
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Re: Heat Wave in Siberia

Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:39 am

Dutchy wrote:
More problematic, with the thawing of the permafrost, CO2 and methane are being released. This is one of the feedback loops in nature which is an acceleration of climate change.


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