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Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:35 pm

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/te ... 9-n1232233


Now, who could have seen this coming? The states that gloated not having "regulations" are now shutting back down. Looks like the do nothing and pretend it doesn't exist approach didn't work out so well.


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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:44 pm

trump putting the economy before health and safety, who would have guessed it was an election year.
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:18 pm

Just stop reporting the cases and both states will have 0 cases.

Problem solved!
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:22 pm

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Just stop reporting the cases and both states will have 0 cases.

Problem solved!

Is California seeing a huge increase in cases because Trump ordered the meat plants to stay open anywhere in the country?
 
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:25 pm

I have been enjoying listening to talk radio hosts "conservasplaining" (or is it "republislaining"?) how these aren't shut-downs at all, and that no one is going "backwards" and how they are nothing like what California is doing. Dems evil, doing it wrong, wanting to harm and enslave the people. Republican states or leaders though are doing it right and wanting only freedom for the people, they are good.

The shilling that goes on so many of these shows now is crazy. I enjoy most of the shows normally but the shilling for one party (and something like 80-90% of shows are "conservative" soo... ) has gotten to monumental levels, blind leading the blind levels.

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:30 pm

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einsteinboricua wrote:
Just stop reporting the cases and both states will have 0 cases.

Problem solved!

Is California seeing a huge increase in cases because Trump ordered the meat plants to stay open anywhere in the country?

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Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:16 pm

Tugger wrote:
I have been enjoying listening to talk radio hosts "conservasplaining" (or is it "republislaining"?) how these aren't shut-downs at all, and that no one is going "backwards" and how they are nothing like what California is doing. Dems evil, doing it wrong, wanting to harm and enslave the people. Republican states or leaders though are doing it right and wanting only freedom for the people, they are good.

The shilling that goes on so many of these shows now is crazy. I enjoy most of the shows normally but the shilling for one party (and something like 80-90% of shows are "conservative" soo... ) has gotten to monumental levels, blind leading the blind levels.

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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Fri Jun 26, 2020 7:22 pm

Just test less, problem solved.

casinterest wrote:

Notice how after 10 years, there is still no "Conservative" solution for Health care?


Actually there is. It is: none.
 
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:10 pm

No doubt in Florida, Texas, several other states and regions they have a skyrocketing rate of infections, hospitalizations and soon deaths from Covid-19 pandemic. Too many have made the decision to not use masks. Too many not socially distancing, congregate in bars and other public spaces, have family parties, attend social gatherings, attend faith service. Unsafe conditions for many farm, ranch, meat and food processing workers or where impossible to socially distance. Still not enough PPE. Coward politicians giving in to the nosiest voters who wanted 'normal' too soon for 'freedom' reasons but also the reality that 1000's of businesses were going broke, millions out of work and needed to return to work or they or family die from starvation or lose their homes.

Sadly, there may not much that can be done but we will all suffer personally and economically from these rising outbreaks, delaying a true return to 'normal'.
 
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No doubt in Florida, Texas, several other states and regions they have a skyrocketing rate of infections, hospitalizations and soon deaths from Covid-19 pandemic. Too many have made the decision to not use masks. Too many not socially distancing, congregate in bars and other public spaces, have family parties, attend social gatherings, attend faith service. Unsafe conditions for many farm, ranch, meat and food processing workers or where impossible to socially distance. Still not enough PPE. Coward politicians giving in to the nosiest voters who wanted 'normal' too soon for 'freedom' reasons but also the reality that 1000's of businesses were going broke, millions out of work and needed to return to work or they or family die from starvation or lose their homes.

Sadly, there may not much that can be done but we will all suffer personally and economically from these rising outbreaks, delaying a true return to 'normal'.

What is causing the huge increase in California, considering that they have a more common sense approach at the state government level. Is it largely due to the meat plants being ordered to stay open by Trump in the state.
 
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
No doubt in Florida, Texas, several other states and regions they have a skyrocketing rate of infections, hospitalizations and soon deaths from Covid-19 pandemic. Too many have made the decision to not use masks. Too many not socially distancing, congregate in bars and other public spaces, have family parties, attend social gatherings, attend faith service. Unsafe conditions for many farm, ranch, meat and food processing workers or where impossible to socially distance. Still not enough PPE. Coward politicians giving in to the nosiest voters who wanted 'normal' too soon for 'freedom' reasons but also the reality that 1000's of businesses were going broke, millions out of work and needed to return to work or they or family die from starvation or lose their homes.

Sadly, there may not much that can be done but we will all suffer personally and economically from these rising outbreaks, delaying a true return to 'normal'.

What is causing the huge increase in California, considering that they have a more common sense approach at the state government level. Is it largely due to the meat plants being ordered to stay open by Trump in the state.



Go here and look.

Sort by cases per 1 Million People. California did a good job of flattening the curve. It is just that any little opening, or people not adhering to the rules will result in massive jumps. Especially when you have one of highest populations of any state .


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:37 pm

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Too many not socially distancing, congregate in bars and other public spaces, have family parties, attend social gatherings, attend faith service.

This, I think is the main issue. It's one thing to go to a supermarket where you're walking by people quickly but keeping your distance; it's another when you go to a packed bar or church or restaurant without distancing or protection.

I will admit, I'm in the rebel camp. If I'm not FORCED to wear a mask, I won't wear it (moot now since WA requires it except for very few instances). But even then I know well to avoid crowded places without protection. As soon as King County did a modified phase 1 opening and allowed barbers, I was shocked to see that the barbershop was packed. I remained there because I just really needed a haircut, but went to take a test the following week: negative. But I will likely not go back, even if they reopen (I'm surprised they haven't been linked to an outbreak).
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:12 pm

Heard the same thing is now occurring for Socal. Keep it up America!!

"iT's ThE nEw NoRmAl UnTiL wE gEt A vAcCine"... every other country except America (and America lites like Brazil and Russia) burst out laughing, as they all followed the rules and flattened the curve instead of saying things like that and taking no responsibility
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Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:54 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
No doubt in Florida, Texas, several other states and regions they have a skyrocketing rate of infections, hospitalizations and soon deaths from Covid-19 pandemic. Too many have made the decision to not use masks. Too many not socially distancing, congregate in bars and other public spaces, have family parties, attend social gatherings, attend faith service. Unsafe conditions for many farm, ranch, meat and food processing workers or where impossible to socially distance. Still not enough PPE. Coward politicians giving in to the nosiest voters who wanted 'normal' too soon for 'freedom' reasons but also the reality that 1000's of businesses were going broke, millions out of work and needed to return to work or they or family die from starvation or lose their homes.

Sadly, there may not much that can be done but we will all suffer personally and economically from these rising outbreaks, delaying a true return to 'normal'.

What is causing the huge increase in California, considering that they have a more common sense approach at the state government level. Is it largely due to the meat plants being ordered to stay open by Trump in the state.


There are counties in California that are Republican and hate masks. Orange County is probably the most populous. Home of Disneyland. Also, tech companies in the Bay Area are having people come in. The brosband and I went to Crescent City last month in the far northwest of the state. Home Depot in California has some products we can not get here in Oregon. So many people there with no masks and standing and talking close to each other.

I don't think it is "meat plants" so much as people just being close and not wearing masks.
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Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:21 am

brag, brag, brag.........love the COMMENTS from 1 month ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6yjTrGkLc


I live in Florida....so this is MY governor.
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Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:24 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
Just stop reporting the cases and both states will have 0 cases.

Problem solved!

Is California seeing a huge increase in cases because Trump ordered the meat plants to stay open anywhere in the country?


I think it's less that and more just the gradual increase in social events with the beginning of summer. A lot of California outside LA County and San Francisco got off relatively easy in the spring, so people aren't feeling the need for masks and more accommodating to the anti-maskers (is that a thing? it's a thing now.)
 
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Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:57 am

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brag, brag, brag.........love the COMMENTS from 1 month ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6yjTrGkLc


I live in Florida....so this is MY governor.


So far he is still right. Let me just bring up the deaths per 1/M chart for the geniuses up in the NE -

NY - 1615
NJ - 1695
MA - 1156
PA - 519
CT - 1208
RI - 875

FL - 157

Current situation -

  • The hardest hit and largest county is discharging patients again faster than admitting them, 3 days in a row now. The largest hospital in said county (Jackson Health) puts out a daily summary and today had less COVID patients than yesterday and yesterday less than 2 days ago.
  • The avg age of infection statewide is 33-34. Which means that almost everyone is asymptomatic or has the equivalent of a cold so the statewide hospital duration for a COVID admission has dropped from 10 days to 6 days when one is admitted because the acuity is half of what it was 2 months ago.
  • The statewide ICU/General Bed availability has hovered between 21-24% in the last 2 weeks without any change. This is around double the availability than pre-COVID. MDC has more availability general beds and ICU beds today than 10 days ago before this hype started and thats with no surge. Patients are being admitted so the numbers there are up but they are also getting discharged quickly.

It very well could change but the data suggests not much is happening right now except everyone is heading over to get tested because the media has moved the goal posts again by 50 yards.

I dont buy the deaths part so far based on all the data in Florida. Could change though.

No doubt in Florida, Texas, several other states and regions they have a skyrocketing rate of infections, hospitalizations and soon deaths from Covid-19 pandemic


Bad chain of logic on the deaths part in Florida. You are not looking at the granular data. 2 months ago this was the case because the average age of infection was in the mid-60s and the acuity of cases based on hospital stay was 2x as long/severe. For example - In central Florida you dont even have half the patients in the ICU that you did 2 months ago even though general hospitalizations are exponentially up. Again, it could change and Im sure it will go up some but there is a massive difference when you are admitting 35 year olds and 80 year olds hence there isnt a projection out there for FL that shows any sort of surge that will overwhelm the system.

Again, stuff could change. The younger crowd could give it to the older crowd but from what we have seen the majority of deaths in all of these northern states were from the governors shoving positive COVID patients right back into the LTCs where they infected everyone and since they have an insanely high CFR the deaths went through the roof.
 
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:31 pm

LOT767301ER wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
brag, brag, brag.........love the COMMENTS from 1 month ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6yjTrGkLc


I live in Florida....so this is MY governor.


So far he is still right. Let me just bring up the deaths per 1/M chart for the geniuses up in the NE -

NY - 1615
NJ - 1695
MA - 1156
PA - 519
CT - 1208
RI - 875

FL - 157

Current situation -

  • The hardest hit and largest county is discharging patients again faster than admitting them, 3 days in a row now. The largest hospital in said county (Jackson Health) puts out a daily summary and today had less COVID patients than yesterday and yesterday less than 2 days ago.
  • The avg age of infection statewide is 33-34. Which means that almost everyone is asymptomatic or has the equivalent of a cold so the statewide hospital duration for a COVID admission has dropped from 10 days to 6 days when one is admitted because the acuity is half of what it was 2 months ago.
  • The statewide ICU/General Bed availability has hovered between 21-24% in the last 2 weeks without any change. This is around double the availability than pre-COVID. MDC has more availability general beds and ICU beds today than 10 days ago before this hype started and thats with no surge. Patients are being admitted so the numbers there are up but they are also getting discharged quickly.

It very well could change but the data suggests not much is happening right now except everyone is heading over to get tested because the media has moved the goal posts again by 50 yards.

I dont buy the deaths part so far based on all the data in Florida. Could change though.

No doubt in Florida, Texas, several other states and regions they have a skyrocketing rate of infections, hospitalizations and soon deaths from Covid-19 pandemic


Bad chain of logic on the deaths part in Florida. You are not looking at the granular data. 2 months ago this was the case because the average age of infection was in the mid-60s and the acuity of cases based on hospital stay was 2x as long/severe. For example - In central Florida you dont even have half the patients in the ICU that you did 2 months ago even though general hospitalizations are exponentially up. Again, it could change and Im sure it will go up some but there is a massive difference when you are admitting 35 year olds and 80 year olds hence there isnt a projection out there for FL that shows any sort of surge that will overwhelm the system.

Again, stuff could change. The younger crowd could give it to the older crowd but from what we have seen the majority of deaths in all of these northern states were from the governors shoving positive COVID patients right back into the LTCs where they infected everyone and since they have an insanely high CFR the deaths went through the roof.


And don't forget these right wing states were either fudging the numbers or not testing. Now, right wing states are being told they can not test like they could before. Gotta give dear leader a win any way they can.....
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:12 pm

LOT767301ER wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
brag, brag, brag.........love the COMMENTS from 1 month ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6yjTrGkLc


I live in Florida....so this is MY governor.


So far he is still right. Let me just bring up the deaths per 1/M chart for the geniuses up in the NE -

NY - 1615
NJ - 1695
MA - 1156
PA - 519
CT - 1208
RI - 875

FL - 157

Current situation -

  • The hardest hit and largest county is discharging patients again faster than admitting them, 3 days in a row now. The largest hospital in said county (Jackson Health) puts out a daily summary and today had less COVID patients than yesterday and yesterday less than 2 days ago.
  • The avg age of infection statewide is 33-34. Which means that almost everyone is asymptomatic or has the equivalent of a cold so the statewide hospital duration for a COVID admission has dropped from 10 days to 6 days when one is admitted because the acuity is half of what it was 2 months ago.
  • The statewide ICU/General Bed availability has hovered between 21-24% in the last 2 weeks without any change. This is around double the availability than pre-COVID. MDC has more availability general beds and ICU beds today than 10 days ago before this hype started and thats with no surge. Patients are being admitted so the numbers there are up but they are also getting discharged quickly.

It very well could change but the data suggests not much is happening right now except everyone is heading over to get tested because the media has moved the goal posts again by 50 yards.

I dont buy the deaths part so far based on all the data in Florida. Could change though.

No doubt in Florida, Texas, several other states and regions they have a skyrocketing rate of infections, hospitalizations and soon deaths from Covid-19 pandemic


Bad chain of logic on the deaths part in Florida. You are not looking at the granular data. 2 months ago this was the case because the average age of infection was in the mid-60s and the acuity of cases based on hospital stay was 2x as long/severe. For example - In central Florida you dont even have half the patients in the ICU that you did 2 months ago even though general hospitalizations are exponentially up. Again, it could change and Im sure it will go up some but there is a massive difference when you are admitting 35 year olds and 80 year olds hence there isnt a projection out there for FL that shows any sort of surge that will overwhelm the system.

Again, stuff could change. The younger crowd could give it to the older crowd but from what we have seen the majority of deaths in all of these northern states were from the governors shoving positive COVID patients right back into the LTCs where they infected everyone and since they have an insanely high CFR the deaths went through the roof.


Exactly. Thank you. I have worked as a data analyst for many years and have a good advanced education in survey methods, data analysis, stats.

People are insulting Florida left and right. Media / journalists are absolutely slamming Florida, saying there is a tremendous COVID outbreak happening in Florida and Texas.

This is false. It is disinformation. The major COVID outbreaks happened in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts. That is where policymakers totally failed to protect their people.
 
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Fact: Florida’s Rt is second highest, right below Nevada.
Fact: daily new cases in FL are now the highest in the country (9,585).
 
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Re: Texas (and Florida) to re-shut down partially

Sat Jun 27, 2020 9:52 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
LOT767301ER wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
brag, brag, brag.........love the COMMENTS from 1 month ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6yjTrGkLc


I live in Florida....so this is MY governor.


So far he is still right. Let me just bring up the deaths per 1/M chart for the geniuses up in the NE -

NY - 1615
NJ - 1695
MA - 1156
PA - 519
CT - 1208
RI - 875

FL - 157

Current situation -

  • The hardest hit and largest county is discharging patients again faster than admitting them, 3 days in a row now. The largest hospital in said county (Jackson Health) puts out a daily summary and today had less COVID patients than yesterday and yesterday less than 2 days ago.
  • The avg age of infection statewide is 33-34. Which means that almost everyone is asymptomatic or has the equivalent of a cold so the statewide hospital duration for a COVID admission has dropped from 10 days to 6 days when one is admitted because the acuity is half of what it was 2 months ago.
  • The statewide ICU/General Bed availability has hovered between 21-24% in the last 2 weeks without any change. This is around double the availability than pre-COVID. MDC has more availability general beds and ICU beds today than 10 days ago before this hype started and thats with no surge. Patients are being admitted so the numbers there are up but they are also getting discharged quickly.

It very well could change but the data suggests not much is happening right now except everyone is heading over to get tested because the media has moved the goal posts again by 50 yards.

I dont buy the deaths part so far based on all the data in Florida. Could change though.

No doubt in Florida, Texas, several other states and regions they have a skyrocketing rate of infections, hospitalizations and soon deaths from Covid-19 pandemic


Bad chain of logic on the deaths part in Florida. You are not looking at the granular data. 2 months ago this was the case because the average age of infection was in the mid-60s and the acuity of cases based on hospital stay was 2x as long/severe. For example - In central Florida you dont even have half the patients in the ICU that you did 2 months ago even though general hospitalizations are exponentially up. Again, it could change and Im sure it will go up some but there is a massive difference when you are admitting 35 year olds and 80 year olds hence there isnt a projection out there for FL that shows any sort of surge that will overwhelm the system.

Again, stuff could change. The younger crowd could give it to the older crowd but from what we have seen the majority of deaths in all of these northern states were from the governors shoving positive COVID patients right back into the LTCs where they infected everyone and since they have an insanely high CFR the deaths went through the roof.


Exactly. Thank you. I have worked as a data analyst for many years and have a good advanced education in survey methods, data analysis, stats.

People are insulting Florida left and right. Media / journalists are absolutely slamming Florida, saying there is a tremendous COVID outbreak happening in Florida and Texas.

This is false. It is disinformation. The major COVID outbreaks happened in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts. That is where policymakers totally failed to protect their people.

Aahahaha. When they have nothing left to defend, we get the usual Media bad defense.
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Sat Jun 27, 2020 11:14 pm

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People are insulting Florida left and right. Media / journalists are absolutely slamming Florida, saying there is a tremendous COVID outbreak happening in Florida and Texas.

This is false. It is disinformation. The major COVID outbreaks happened in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts. That is where policymakers totally failed to protect their people.

How is this false? Florida is reporting more than 9000 new cases per day. NY, NJ, CT, and MA positive case rates have all declined, Florida's have been rising, as have Texas'. Both states are well on their way to mimicking what happened in the Northeast.
727LOVER wrote:
brag, brag, brag.........love the COMMENTS from 1 month ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6yjTrGkLc


I live in Florida....so this is MY governor.

Boy that really didn't age well. There are a lot of terrible governors in this country, but Ron DeSantis has to be the absolute worst of the bunch.
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:34 am

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Exactly. Thank you. I have worked as a data analyst for many years and have a good advanced education in survey methods, data analysis, stats.

People are insulting Florida left and right. Media / journalists are absolutely slamming Florida, saying there is a tremendous COVID outbreak happening in Florida and Texas.

This is false. It is disinformation. The major COVID outbreaks happened in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts. That is where policymakers totally failed to protect their people.

What's false? Calling it an outbreak or the actual numbers?
Or you claim it's false because despite the outbreak the mortality rate remains relatively low?
 
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:42 am

LCDFlight wrote:
LOT767301ER wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
brag, brag, brag.........love the COMMENTS from 1 month ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm6yjTrGkLc


I live in Florida....so this is MY governor.


So far he is still right. Let me just bring up the deaths per 1/M chart for the geniuses up in the NE -

NY - 1615
NJ - 1695
MA - 1156
PA - 519
CT - 1208
RI - 875

FL - 157

Current situation -

  • The hardest hit and largest county is discharging patients again faster than admitting them, 3 days in a row now. The largest hospital in said county (Jackson Health) puts out a daily summary and today had less COVID patients than yesterday and yesterday less than 2 days ago.
  • The avg age of infection statewide is 33-34. Which means that almost everyone is asymptomatic or has the equivalent of a cold so the statewide hospital duration for a COVID admission has dropped from 10 days to 6 days when one is admitted because the acuity is half of what it was 2 months ago.
  • The statewide ICU/General Bed availability has hovered between 21-24% in the last 2 weeks without any change. This is around double the availability than pre-COVID. MDC has more availability general beds and ICU beds today than 10 days ago before this hype started and thats with no surge. Patients are being admitted so the numbers there are up but they are also getting discharged quickly.

It very well could change but the data suggests not much is happening right now except everyone is heading over to get tested because the media has moved the goal posts again by 50 yards.

I dont buy the deaths part so far based on all the data in Florida. Could change though.

No doubt in Florida, Texas, several other states and regions they have a skyrocketing rate of infections, hospitalizations and soon deaths from Covid-19 pandemic


Bad chain of logic on the deaths part in Florida. You are not looking at the granular data. 2 months ago this was the case because the average age of infection was in the mid-60s and the acuity of cases based on hospital stay was 2x as long/severe. For example - In central Florida you dont even have half the patients in the ICU that you did 2 months ago even though general hospitalizations are exponentially up. Again, it could change and Im sure it will go up some but there is a massive difference when you are admitting 35 year olds and 80 year olds hence there isnt a projection out there for FL that shows any sort of surge that will overwhelm the system.

Again, stuff could change. The younger crowd could give it to the older crowd but from what we have seen the majority of deaths in all of these northern states were from the governors shoving positive COVID patients right back into the LTCs where they infected everyone and since they have an insanely high CFR the deaths went through the roof.


Exactly. Thank you. I have worked as a data analyst for many years and have a good advanced education in survey methods, data analysis, stats.

People are insulting Florida left and right. Media / journalists are absolutely slamming Florida, saying there is a tremendous COVID outbreak happening in Florida and Texas.

This is false. It is disinformation. The major COVID outbreaks happened in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts. That is where policymakers totally failed to protect their people.


You are agreeing with a disinformation statement where someone is talking about granular data analysis and cases under 40 being hospitalized for what’s basically a cold, yet reality suggests more serious conditions than that.

As reported by Dr. Gottlieb here, mortality for pneumonia across all age groups is 3.3%. In FL for COVID patients 35-44, it is nearly 5% as of June 24th.

See thread here:

https://twitter.com/scottgottliebmd/sta ... 40737?s=21

In other news, I have friends in the SAT area now receiving stay at home guidelines from authorities via text.
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But but but Obama, he did not leave a plan, but but but China, they sent us the virus instead of helping the man get re-elected as asked by the man. But but but I stopped the traffic from China while while 400k more came in. But but but the Democrats exaggerated when discussing the dangers from the virus. But but but it will all just disappear when warm weather comes. But but but we are saving lives while the death toll keeps rising. But but but we can safely open the wild West and deep South because we can with Republican Governors. All freaking Bullshit. But but but Obama.
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But but but Obama, he did not leave a plan, but but but China, they sent us the virus instead of helping the man get re-elected as asked by the man. But but but I stopped the traffic from China while while 400k more came in. But but but the Democrats exaggerated when discussing the dangers from the virus. But but but it will all just disappear when warm weather comes. But but but we are saving lives while the death toll keeps rising. But but but we can safely open the wild West and deep South because we can with Republican Governors. All freaking Bullshit. But but but Obama.

Just stop it! You know very well this is getting old. These are childish remarks that have no place in this forum and are not conductive to a mature conversation.

It's all because of Clinton's emails and pizzagate and antifa and destroying our heritage and testing (because if we don't test, we don't have cases!) and the West Point ramp.
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But but but Obama, he did not leave a plan, but but but China, they sent us the virus instead of helping the man get re-elected as asked by the man. But but but I stopped the traffic from China while while 400k more came in. But but but the Democrats exaggerated when discussing the dangers from the virus. But but but it will all just disappear when warm weather comes. But but but we are saving lives while the death toll keeps rising. But but but we can safely open the wild West and deep South because we can with Republican Governors. All freaking Bullshit. But but but Obama.

Just stop it! You know very well this is getting old. These are childish remarks that have no place in this forum and are not conductive to a mature conversation.

It's all because of Clinton's emails and pizzagate and antifa and destroying our heritage and testing (because if we don't test, we don't have cases!) and the West Point ramp.



I do apologize, I got carried away and from now on when the VP in the place of the missing he, smiles and so sanctimoniously pronounces we have made progress and are saving lives and can open safely because the Republicans are so good at it with their Virus task force which he heads, I will bow my head and say But, but, but people are still dying, but,but,but the rates of infection are skyrocketing and but, but, but even the Republican states are beginning to restrict people again. But, but, but. Obama. Thanks for the advice, I needed that and will try to amend my ways. :spin: :spin: :spin:
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I wish we had an actual health official. You know: someone who reads medical journals and studies medical articles. Someone who knows they don't know about virology and is willing to listen to people who are better educated. An adult, perhaps? If only there were someone. But pwning the libs is more betterer. Watching the libs cry will win 2020. So much more better and so much more keeping America great than all those fake dead people *epic eyeroll*
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Exactly. Thank you. I have worked as a data analyst for many years and have a good advanced education in survey methods, data analysis, stats.

People are insulting Florida left and right. Media / journalists are absolutely slamming Florida, saying there is a tremendous COVID outbreak happening in Florida and Texas.

This is false. It is disinformation. The major COVID outbreaks happened in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts. That is where policymakers totally failed to protect their people.

What's false? Calling it an outbreak or the actual numbers?
Or you claim it's false because despite the outbreak the mortality rate remains relatively low?


It is false to negatively compare Florida's outbreak with New York. New York's was 10 times more severe (140 deaths / 100,000 versus 14 deaths/100,000). Of course COVID is present in every state. The situation in Florida has been given "undue weight," a form of media bias.

Texas, at 8 deaths per 100,000 thus far, is practically COVID free compared to NY/NJ.

Whatever the media is talking about with "case counts" does not necessarily mean anything. CDC said this week that true COVID infection count is about 10 times higher than case count. Obviously, the more you sample, the more of that 10x multiplier you can detect. Judging by deaths, these places are seeing little or no outbreak... nothing like NY/NJ. And nowhere near as bad as the UK.
 
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:37 pm

My point of view (and remember, I'm one of the board's biggest lefties):
a) Data on deaths is far more meaningful than cases, so look at death data instead of case data
b) Media makes money based on fear/sensationalism, it's no accident they keep emphasizing case data
c) The virus is still out there, it doesn't care if it takes you out or not
d) Try to find one data source you trust and try not to bounce from site to site

Given this, I find the following graphic showing deaths vs time in absolute and percentage to be of interest:

Image

Ref: https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f ... 5839e06441

So, a lot of regions have "flattened the curve" but just that, and LatAm is still growing.

Please keep in mind the reason the curve went flat is because people worked out ways to not spread the virus, and IMO we need to keep doing so till an effective antivirus is produced and deployed.
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Sadly, there may not much that can be done...


Sure there is.

Step 1: Stop politicizing every.last.f'ing. thing in America. This is a public health issue; we don't have time for juvenile BS.
Step2: Go all in on mask wearing- no need for shaming. Simply show the "mah rights" crowd that the most patriotic thing they could do right now is to wear one when distancing isn't possible.
Step 3: Testing/tracing. 10's of 1000's could be put back to work *today* doing this work.
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The situation in Florida has been given "undue weight," a form of media bias.

From a medical treatment perspective, no, it has not been given undue weight. If current trends continue, Florida is going to be out of ICU beds by the end of August--yes those models are susceptible to a lot of variables. I shouldn't have to point out that Texas has suspended all elective procedures in four of its most populous counties and Texas Medical Center (which advertises itself as the biggest hospital complex on the planet) has 100% occupancy of their normal ICU capacity. So in other words, some people won't get their surgeries now for several weeks, because there isn't hospital capacity for that, because people just had to go to a bar or dine in at Applebees instead of eat at home.
 
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It is false to negatively compare Florida's outbreak with New York. New York's was 10 times more severe (140 deaths / 100,000 versus 14 deaths/100,000). Of course COVID is present in every state. The situation in Florida has been given "undue weight," a form of media bias.


Your're right, it is fals to compare the outbreaks.

NYC began locking down when daily new infections hit 3,000. FL had 8,500 yesterday and over 9,000 today but DeSantis seems to believe it will all go away magically by itself.

But sure, "media bad". How dare they report on (repeated and enduring) mismanagement of this crisis in Red States??? I guess he should just close down test sites, that should take care of all those reported new infections, right?
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Revelation wrote:
My point of view (and remember, I'm one of the board's biggest lefties):
a) Data on deaths is far more meaningful than cases, so look at death data instead of case data

Yet data on deaths is only meaningfull if all countries were to count all deaths caused by Covid.
You'd have to look at excess death numbers to get an accurate estimation.
In many of the countries that are spiking right now, I'm quite sure that the amount of deaths is very much underestimated. There surely are far more people dying from Covid today than there were when Europe and USA were spiking.
So little testing is going on in so many countries. In any country with under 50.000 tests per million population you can expect the actual death number to several times the reported number.
And Russia, with about the same amount of deaths as Belgium but 10x the amount of infections. Who does Putin expect to actually believe this?
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Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:38 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
Jalap wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Exactly. Thank you. I have worked as a data analyst for many years and have a good advanced education in survey methods, data analysis, stats.

People are insulting Florida left and right. Media / journalists are absolutely slamming Florida, saying there is a tremendous COVID outbreak happening in Florida and Texas.

This is false. It is disinformation. The major COVID outbreaks happened in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Massachusetts. That is where policymakers totally failed to protect their people.

What's false? Calling it an outbreak or the actual numbers?
Or you claim it's false because despite the outbreak the mortality rate remains relatively low?


It is false to negatively compare Florida's outbreak with New York. New York's was 10 times more severe (140 deaths / 100,000 versus 14 deaths/100,000). Of course COVID is present in every state. The situation in Florida has been given "undue weight," a form of media bias.

Texas, at 8 deaths per 100,000 thus far, is practically COVID free compared to NY/NJ.

Whatever the media is talking about with "case counts" does not necessarily mean anything. CDC said this week that true COVID infection count is about 10 times higher than case count. Obviously, the more you sample, the more of that 10x multiplier you can detect. Judging by deaths, these places are seeing little or no outbreak... nothing like NY/NJ. And nowhere near as bad as the UK.

Yes, the media is sensationalist.
But, there is no way to not find 9.000 infections per day very worrysome. And if the media brings this to attention, then perhaps people will start being more carefull, keep distance and/or wear masks.
Also you can't compare the states that are currently spiking to the ones that had it in March or April. You need to wait for August to compare.

Back in April, mortality rate of this virus was 1% overall. We can hope treatments are better by now, so Florida won't suffer a spike in deaths like New York and New Jersey did.

In any case, downplaying the numbers is a far worse idea than sensationalising them.
 
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:06 am

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NYC began locking down when daily new infections hit 3,000. FL had 8,500 yesterday and over 9,000 today but DeSantis seems to believe it will all go away magically by itself.


The virus does go away by itself... just not magically.

It goes through the population no matter what you do. All lockdowns do is slow it down and allow the healthcare system to cope, which should be the ultimate goal. Flattening the curve is just that, it doesn't decrease the overall number of infections, it just slows the spread.

It is estimated that NY got such a spike and rapid spread (during which a lockdown was largely justified) that eventually close to 50% of the population there got exposed to the virus. The cold winter climate and high population density didn't help. the thing is, the city is now mostly immunized against it, and if another wave hits there, it is likely to not be very aggressive.
Basically, whichever part of the World hasn't gotten to that point yet will eventually. It's just a matter of time. You either get your herd immunity hard and fast and slowly over time. The point is, as long as the healthcare system can cope and adequately treat all patients, the end result in terms of figures will likely be in the same ballpark.

I believe it was a mistake for states that did not see a spike yet to lockdown too early. All it did was delay the inevitable while depleting the population's cooperation capital, which you then are short of when the real wave arrives. Lockdowns only flatten the curve, they do not stop the spread.

So we either eliminate all human contact until somebody finds a cure or vaccine, which might be years away, or we learn to live with a disease that has killed much less people than cancer so far this year without destroying society. I don't see us writing off trillions from our children's pockets to fight cancer and diabetes, why do we do it for this thing which kills much less now and, unlike the former, will subside over time?
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 6:12 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
einsteinboricua wrote:
Just stop reporting the cases and both states will have 0 cases.

Problem solved!

Is California seeing a huge increase in cases because Trump ordered the meat plants to stay open anywhere in the country?


CA may have an above average share of vegetarians, they still eat meat.

The visualization purportedly shows devices — possibly owned by workers, truckers, or anyone whose GPS location was logged at the plant — subsequently traveling to 48 states and Canada throughout the month of March.


https://www.businessinsider.com/phone-l ... ?r=DE&IR=T

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:02 am

Francoflier wrote:
lugie wrote:
NYC began locking down when daily new infections hit 3,000. FL had 8,500 yesterday and over 9,000 today but DeSantis seems to believe it will all go away magically by itself.


The virus does go away by itself... just not magically.

It goes through the population no matter what you do. All lockdowns do is slow it down and allow the healthcare system to cope, which should be the ultimate goal. Flattening the curve is just that, it doesn't decrease the overall number of infections, it just slows the spread.

It is estimated that NY got such a spike and rapid spread (during which a lockdown was largely justified) that eventually close to 50% of the population there got exposed to the virus. The cold winter climate and high population density didn't help. the thing is, the city is now mostly immunized against it, and if another wave hits there, it is likely to not be very aggressive.
Basically, whichever part of the World hasn't gotten to that point yet will eventually. It's just a matter of time. You either get your herd immunity hard and fast and slowly over time. The point is, as long as the healthcare system can cope and adequately treat all patients, the end result in terms of figures will likely be in the same ballpark.

I believe it was a mistake for states that did not see a spike yet to lockdown too early. All it did was delay the inevitable while depleting the population's cooperation capital, which you then are short of when the real wave arrives. Lockdowns only flatten the curve, they do not stop the spread.

So we either eliminate all human contact until somebody finds a cure or vaccine, which might be years away, or we learn to live with a disease that has killed much less people than cancer so far this year without destroying society. I don't see us writing off trillions from our children's pockets to fight cancer and diabetes, why do we do it for this thing which kills much less now and, unlike the former, will subside over time?

All of that makes sense until you look at this. Countries that locked down earlier are done
https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/stat ... 61/photo/1
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Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:07 am

stl07 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
lugie wrote:
NYC began locking down when daily new infections hit 3,000. FL had 8,500 yesterday and over 9,000 today but DeSantis seems to believe it will all go away magically by itself.


The virus does go away by itself... just not magically.

It goes through the population no matter what you do. All lockdowns do is slow it down and allow the healthcare system to cope, which should be the ultimate goal. Flattening the curve is just that, it doesn't decrease the overall number of infections, it just slows the spread.

It is estimated that NY got such a spike and rapid spread (during which a lockdown was largely justified) that eventually close to 50% of the population there got exposed to the virus. The cold winter climate and high population density didn't help. the thing is, the city is now mostly immunized against it, and if another wave hits there, it is likely to not be very aggressive.
Basically, whichever part of the World hasn't gotten to that point yet will eventually. It's just a matter of time. You either get your herd immunity hard and fast and slowly over time. The point is, as long as the healthcare system can cope and adequately treat all patients, the end result in terms of figures will likely be in the same ballpark.

I believe it was a mistake for states that did not see a spike yet to lockdown too early. All it did was delay the inevitable while depleting the population's cooperation capital, which you then are short of when the real wave arrives. Lockdowns only flatten the curve, they do not stop the spread.

So we either eliminate all human contact until somebody finds a cure or vaccine, which might be years away, or we learn to live with a disease that has killed much less people than cancer so far this year without destroying society. I don't see us writing off trillions from our children's pockets to fight cancer and diabetes, why do we do it for this thing which kills much less now and, unlike the former, will subside over time?

All of that makes sense until you look at this. Countries that locked down earlier are done
https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/stat ... 61/photo/1


the link is broken....

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Mon Jun 29, 2020 8:34 am

    This one I think https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/1276560430371164161?s=20

    Here in Australia we're aghast at the single state with double digit new infections over the last few days. Its (comparatively) poor controls are stopping us opening up domestic movement.
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    Kent350787 wrote:
      This one I think https://twitter.com/WestWingReport/status/1276560430371164161?s=20

      Here in Australia we're aghast at the single state with double digit new infections over the last few days. Its (comparatively) poor controls are stopping us opening up domestic movement.

      Oh, you can't go on vacation...First world problems. In 3rd world countries like the US, the corrupt politicians are openly telling not to wear masks or bother with anything like that, and any state with a double-digit increase is viewed as a success story.
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      tommy1808 wrote:
      CA may have an above average share of vegetarians, they still eat meat.

      One thing has nothing to do with the other. The Corn Belt states produce a lot of corn, some of which is being used for ethanol...I have yet to see demand for fuel efficient vehicles in states like Iowa, Kansas and Nebraska.
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      Had to cancel vacation plans to Florida due to this change of operation.

      Wonder if the GOP will cancel and move their convention yet again?
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      Wonder if the GOP will cancel and move their convention yet again?

      Doubt it. To change it for a second time would mean admitting that they have no strategy, that the administrations (federal and state) have failed to contain the outbreak, and that they're accepting that maybe, just maybe, the virus is not a hoax or as benign as they made it out to be.

      That being said, even Jacksonville locals are less than thrilled about having many outsiders descend into the city for a convention. I don't know how the infection rate is in the area, but when a state gets over 8000 new infections daily, it's safe to say that it may be a hotspot.
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      In one Houston hospital system (Methodist), apparently 60% of COVID admits are under the age of 50. "Previously, about 1 in 5 people in intensive care unit beds were under 50. Now, he said it is almost 1 in 3."

      Just to be clear, people are admitted to hospital for COVID, but they don't automatically get admitted to intensive care.

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      einsteinboricua wrote:
      casinterest wrote:
      Wonder if the GOP will cancel and move their convention yet again?

      Doubt it. To change it for a second time would mean admitting that they have no strategy, that the administrations (federal and state) have failed to contain the outbreak, and that they're accepting that maybe, just maybe, the virus is not a hoax or as benign as they made it out to be.

      That being said, even Jacksonville locals are less than thrilled about having many outsiders descend into the city for a convention. I don't know how the infection rate is in the area, but when a state gets over 8000 new infections daily, it's safe to say that it may be a hotspot.


      And Jacksonville has instituted a mask policy.
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      einsteinboricua wrote:
      ltbewr wrote:
      Too many not socially distancing, congregate in bars and other public spaces, have family parties, attend social gatherings, attend faith service.

      This, I think is the main issue. It's one thing to go to a supermarket where you're walking by people quickly but keeping your distance; it's another when you go to a packed bar or church or restaurant without distancing or protection.

      I will admit, I'm in the rebel camp. If I'm not FORCED to wear a mask, I won't wear it (moot now since WA requires it except for very few instances). But even then I know well to avoid crowded places without protection. As soon as King County did a modified phase 1 opening and allowed barbers, I was shocked to see that the barbershop was packed. I remained there because I just really needed a haircut, but went to take a test the following week: negative. But I will likely not go back, even if they reopen (I'm surprised they haven't been linked to an outbreak).


      I was somewhat resistant to mask wearing. But at the time I was 99% social distancing, went once a week to a grocer before 7am when about no one was there except employees, about half of whom wear masks. Then kid got all of us KN95 masks which not only protect other, but offer some protection to the person wearing it. I use these on our rare trips shopping when indoors. I am still about 95% social distancing - I have added some 8 people to the persons I see regularly, but generally maintain distance and/or wear masks. My county, which was doing phenomenally well is experiencing more cases. Now that masks are required indoors we follow the rule, although we have some cloth masks which we use in the condo hallways and elevator (only as sole occupants). The county is generally back to work, mask wearing is wide spread. Those of us not wearing masks outdoors keep our distance.
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      frmrCapCadet wrote:
      I was somewhat resistant to mask wearing.

      Stores out here are posting signs, but are not enforcing the governor's order. And maybe there's merit in a supermarket given that people are constantly moving around and won't be hovering too long over people, but I thought the order extended to all indoor areas (no exceptions, except restaurants when seated and eating) and outdoors if you can't keep your distance.

      I keep a mask in my car and whip it out even if just for a 30 second Starbucks run.
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      I believe it was a mistake for states that did not see a spike yet to lockdown too early. All it did was delay the inevitable while depleting the population's cooperation capital, which you then are short of when the real wave arrives. Lockdowns only flatten the curve, they do not stop the spread.


      California in a nutshell. We were the first state to "lockdown" and our case numbers are spiking.
       
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      ein.. just to clarify, I now wear a mask in all public indoor spaces. And outdoors I am never in crowded spaces.
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      Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

      Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

      Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

      Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

      Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

      Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

      Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

      Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

      Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

      Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

      Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos